Speedplay or Shimano

<< I like to buy some new pedals for new Trek 5200. I have problems with my knees. I have read
several articles and opinions and would like to buy the Shimano Dura -Ace 7750. Will I have enough
float with these pedals so I won't kill my knees or should i stick with the Speedplay Zero's >>

What is it about the Speedplays that you don't

Maintenance problems I.e . dirt etc .Plus quality issues. Also from what I have read the common
complaint is that it is like "standing on a ice cube"

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<< I like to buy some new pedals for new Trek 5200. I have problems with my knees. I have read
several articles and opinions and would like to buy the

Shimano

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Dura -Ace 7750. Will I have enough float with these pedals so I won't kill my knees or should i
stick with the Speedplay Zero's >>

What is it about the Speedplays that you don't

toby said:

I like to buy some new pedals for new Trek 5200. I have problems with my knees. I have read
several articles and opinions and would like to buy the Shimano Dura -Ace 7750. Will I have enough
float with these pedals so I won't kill my knees or should i stick with the Speedplay Zero's

go search the tech forum for the recent thread... "Speedplay X2 vs new Shimano pedals"

Make sure you take a look at the Campagnolo ProFits.

I really am enjoying the pedals and they give me lots of float.

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Maintenance problems I.e . dirt etc .Plus quality issues. Also from what I have read the common
complaint is that it is like

"standing

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on a ice cube"

"Mike Krueger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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<< I like to buy some new pedals for new Trek 5200. I have problems with my knees. I have read
several articles and opinions and would like to buy the

Shimano

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Dura -Ace 7750. Will I have enough float with these pedals so I won't kill my knees or should i
stick with the Speedplay Zero's >>

What is it about the Speedplays that you don't

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Make sure you take a look at the Campagnolo ProFits.

I really am enjoying the pedals and they give me lots of float.

"toby" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Maintenance problems I.e . dirt etc .Plus quality issues. Also from what I have read the common
complaint is that it is like

"standing

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on a ice cube"

"Mike Krueger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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<< I like to buy some new pedals for new Trek 5200. I have problems with my knees. I have read
several articles and opinions and would like to buy the

Shimano

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Dura -Ace 7750. Will I have enough float with these pedals so I won't kill my knees or should
i stick with the Speedplay Zero's >>

Just because pedals have alot of float does not make them necessarily better or worse for your
knees. My wife has less problem with her knees on pedals with no float.

-WG

Then I should have said that the ProFits are very kind to my knees as well. "warren"
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Make sure you take a look at the Campagnolo ProFits.

I really am enjoying the pedals and they give me lots of float.

"toby" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Maintenance problems I.e . dirt etc .Plus quality issues. Also from what I have read the
common complaint is that it is like

"standing

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on a ice cube"

"Mike Krueger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> << I like to buy some new pedals for new Trek 5200. I have problems with my knees. I have
> read several articles and opinions and would like to buy the
Shimano
> Dura -Ace 7750. Will I have enough float with these pedals so I won't kill my knees

or

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> should i stick with the Speedplay Zero's >>

Just because pedals have alot of float does not make them necessarily better or worse for your
knees. My wife has less problem with her knees on pedals with no float.

-WG

I was riding Shimano Pedals on the same bike (Trek 5200) and had pain in the front of my knee at the
base of the knee cap. I switched to X2's at the advise of the bike shop owner and have not had pain
for 1 1/2 years. This worked for me, the float is a good thing.

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I like to buy some new pedals for new Trek 5200. I have problems with my knees. I have read
several articles and opinions and would like to buy the

Shimano

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Dura -Ace 7750. Will I have enough float with these pedals so I won't kill my knees or should i
stick with the Speedplay Zero's

Did you ever find out what was causing the pain?

"D.P.G." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:SDw3b.289811$uu5.63922@sccrnsc04...

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I was riding Shimano Pedals on the same bike (Trek 5200) and had pain in the front of my knee at
the base of the knee cap. I switched to X2's at

the

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advise of the bike shop owner and have not had pain for 1 1/2 years. This worked for me, the float
is a good thing.

"toby" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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I like to buy some new pedals for new Trek 5200. I have problems with my knees. I have read
several articles and opinions and would like to buy the

Shimano

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Dura -Ace 7750. Will I have enough float with these pedals so I won't kill my knees or should i
stick with the Speedplay Zero's

Well the pedals I have now have zero float and I can't ride for at least a week plus I am putting
ice on my left knee every night per Dr. So what should I do? I assumed if I had better float it
would solve my problem. Also I am now in my forty's I always had a little problem with my knees but
his year has been bad

"warren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Make sure you take a look at the Campagnolo ProFits.

I really am enjoying the pedals and they give me lots of float.

"toby" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Maintenance problems I.e . dirt etc .Plus quality issues. Also from what I have read the
common complaint is that it is like

"standing

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on a ice cube"

"Mike Krueger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> << I like to buy some new pedals for new Trek 5200. I have problems with my knees. I have
> read several articles and opinions and would like to buy the
Shimano
> Dura -Ace 7750. Will I have enough float with these pedals so I won't kill my knees

or

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

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> should i stick with the Speedplay Zero's >>

Just because pedals have alot of float does not make them necessarily better or worse for your
knees. My wife has less problem with her knees on pedals with no float.

-WG

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Well the pedals I have now have zero float and I can't ride for at least a week plus I am putting
ice on my left knee every night per Dr. So what should I do? I assumed if I had better float it
would solve my problem. Also I am now in my forty's I always had a little problem with my knees
but his year has been bad

I suggest you have your cleat and pedal position evaluated by someone knowledgeable and with the
right tools. Some of the better bike shops and cycling coaches offer this service. Your pain could
be the result of poor cleat position, poor saddle position, or some type of overuse injury, all of
which might not be cured with floating cleats. In the end you may be better off with floating cleats
but it would be better to find out if there is a different problem.

-WG

Why not X's?? The zeros are low float hence the name ... "toby" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I like to buy some new pedals for new Trek 5200. I have problems with my knees. I have read
several articles and opinions and would like to buy the

Shimano

Quoted message said:

Dura -Ace 7750. Will I have enough float with these pedals so I won't kill my knees or should i
stick with the Speedplay Zero's

Quoted message said:

I like to buy some new pedals for new Trek 5200. I have problems with my knees. I have read
several articles and opinions and would like to buy the

Shimano

Quoted message said:

Dura -Ace 7750. Will I have enough float with these pedals so I won't kill my knees or should i
stick with the Speedplay Zero's

The new Dura-Ace pedals are probably not the easiest on the knees; they have considerably greater
release requirements (takes a fair amount of "oomph" to snap your feet out compared to Speedplays)
and have considerably less float. The attraction to many is their fear that they'll accidentally
come out of Speedplays (exceptionally rare) or they just simply want that feedback they get at the
end of the rotation (a preference thing; neither is really better than the other, just different).

Of course, you have Speedplay Zeros with an adjustable range of float, and some feedback for when
you're coming to the release point. Not sure what you'd expect to gain from the Shimanos. I assume
you have your pedals set for a fair amount of rotational float presently?

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles chainreactionbicycles.comchainreactionbicycles.comOpen ↗

Like many of my middle aged riding buddies, I switched to Speedplay X2 pedals because of knee pain
very similar to what you describe below. Now, I have essentially no knee pain, and noone I know who
rides Speedplays regrets the switch.

It takes about 5 minutes of riding to lose that "riding on ice" feeling. Reliability can be a
problem with Speedplay pedals; apparently it is worse with the cheap X3s than the X2s.

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Well the pedals I have now have zero float and I can't ride for at least a week plus I am putting
ice on my left knee every night per Dr. So what should I do? I assumed if I had better float it
would solve my problem. Also I am now in my forty's I always had a little problem with my knees
but his year has been bad

Finding the cause of knee pain can be like looking for that clicking in your drivetrain - it can be
a long process of "try this and see what happens". You mentioned that you were under a doctor's care
which is good, but make sure he understands legs mechanics wrt cycling. I had knee pain and my
primary doc referred me to an orthapedic doc - he made a prelim diagnosis and sent me to a physical
therapist. The PT was well versed in cycling-related pains and got me on a program to fix the
problem. This process took quite awhile mainly due to the HMO process and my own procrastination (it
included two visits to primary doc, two visits to the orthopedic doc, and three to a PT).

For those that care the sympton was an ache on the inside and top of the knee where the quad
inserts into the patella. It came on gradually over months and I thought it might be tendonitis -
but it turned out to be that my VMO part of the quad was weak relative to the VL part and was
causing the patella to mis-track. A few weeks of weights and stretching and the situation has
greatly improved (I am still rehab'ing the knee so I have to be careful about it, but things are
looking very good). If anyone has a prob like this, google for "vmo patella pain" and you'll see
plenty of good sites on it.

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Did you ever find out what was causing the pain?

"D.P.G." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:SDw3b.289811$uu5.63922@sccrnsc04...

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I was riding Shimano Pedals on the same bike (Trek 5200) and had pain in the front of my knee at
the base of the knee cap. I switched to X2's at

the

Quoted message said:

advise of the bike shop owner and have not had pain for 1 1/2 years. This worked for me, the
float is a good thing.

"toby" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I like to buy some new pedals for new Trek 5200. I have problems with my knees. I have read
several articles and opinions and would like to buy the

Shimano

Quoted message said:

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Dura -Ace 7750. Will I have enough float with these pedals so I won't kill my knees or should
i stick with the Speedplay Zero's

An interesting thing about Speedplays...

As you go more expensive in the model line (in the X series at least) the pedals are shorter - that
is, the distance between the outer edge of the pedal and the crank is shorter. The difference
between X1 and X3 is about 1 cm for a pair. This is how Speedplay achieves tighter cornering on the
X1s. I don't know about the Zero series.

Also, Speedplay says the X3 is setup with a very loose clickout (they claim non-racers need a easy
exit). Well, it's too loose for me - once I was reaching over to clean my front tire and
inadvertendly clicked out, but maybe some folks will like it.

I like the X1s though I'm not too happy that the cheaper X3 are so different.

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Like many of my middle aged riding buddies, I switched to Speedplay X2 pedals because of knee pain
very similar to what you describe below. Now, I have essentially no knee pain, and noone I know
who rides Speedplays regrets the switch.

It takes about 5 minutes of riding to lose that "riding on ice" feeling. Reliability can be a
problem with Speedplay pedals; apparently it is worse with the cheap X3s than the X2s.

"toby" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Well the pedals I have now have zero float and I can't ride for at least a week plus I am
putting ice on my left knee every night per Dr. So what should I do? I assumed if I had better
float it would solve my problem. Also I am now in my forty's I always had a little problem with
my knees but his year has been bad

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An interesting thing about Speedplays...

As you go more expensive in the model line (in the X series at least) the pedals are shorter -
that is, the distance between the outer edge of the pedal and the crank is shorter. The difference
between X1 and X3 is about 1 cm for a pair. This is how Speedplay achieves tighter cornering on
the X1s. I don't know about the Zero series.

AFAIK, X/1 and X/2 only differ in material. After all, the X/1 is only rated for riders up to 180
pounds. They need to have a top performance model for heavier riders. Also, the X/2 was released
first and was only followed by the X/1 when they achieved some market penetration. The X/3 was only
introduced a few years ago as an entry level pedal. The X/2 is an excellent pedal. I have used it
(them) since '93.

I have been riding Speedplay for the past 18 months and will not likely make a switch to anything
else currently on the market. With the Zero's, you can adjust the float to perfectly match the
natural in and out of your ankle as it moves through the pedal cycle.

Float is a small component in knee pain. Other larger contributors are riding style, saddle height,
lack of flexibility and muscle imbalance.

I have never pulled out of the Zero's and the dual sided entry makes getting in easier. Of all the
components on my bike, I feel stongest about my Zeros.

Michael

NEW SHIMANO

For what reason (other than the brand name) would the 7700 represent something someone should switch
to esp away from something as excellent as speedplay. I can understand Look- proven design, very
solid. Speedplay: lots of float and light, double-sided. SPD: lots of compatibility esp with MTB and
with pedals like WTB Stealth light weight and float but what new do the 7700s offer beyond the
Dura-Ace name?