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  1. Seeing as everyone else is into unrestrained copyright violation, here's my contribution from
    one of my favourite publications; The Spectator. www.spectator.co.uk - it's a very good read and
    good value.

    "Speed Cameras are Godd for You" by Ross Clarke

    I am beginning to feel a bit lonely among fellow columnists. I do not have a speeding conviction
    upon which to vent spleen. Maybe one of these days I will notice a flash in my rear-view mirror,
    followed by a brown envelope in the post, and I will be ranting with the best of them: Simon Jenkins
    in the Times, Alan Judd in this magazine and almost everyone, every day, in the Daily Telegraph. But
    somehow I doubt it. I don’t seem to have a great deal of trouble adjusting the speed of my Peugeot
    to limits which, if anything, err rather too much on the liberal side.

    The above-mentioned gentlemen represent the civilised end of the anti-camera lobby. There is a more
    sinister end. Last month Mary Williams, who founded a road-safety pressure group Brake after her
    mother and boyfriend were killed by speeding motorists in separate incidents, received death threats
    via a motorists’ website, Pistonheads.com. One user of the site posted a note suggesting that her
    brake cables be cut; another described her as a witch who should be burned at the stake. Her crime
    was to appear on television to defend speed cameras. Invited to denounce the comments, Paul Smith,
    the founder of motorists’ pressure group SafeSpeed, remarked, ‘Mary Williams is a dangerous
    character because she supports a fatally flawed policy. The comments made about her are mild
    reactions, quite frankly.’

    Sadly, as with Northern Irish paramilitaries, the government has melted in the face of intimidation
    from the militant motorists’ lobby. Two years ago it ordered police forces to paint their speed
    cameras bright yellow, thus allowing a reckless motorist the opportunity to slow down for the few
    yards where the camera is sited before pulling away once more on his murderous passage. Now it is
    considering another way of appeasing speeding motorists: a Tory suggestion not to put points on the
    licences of those caught speeding by a camera, which would allow wealthy motorists to treat speeding
    fines as just another motoring expense. In addition, the government has subjected all new speed
    cameras to a ‘four-coffin rule’. Under new guidelines, police forces are allowed to use some of the
    income generated from speeding fines to set up new cameras, but may do so only on stretches of road
    where there have been at least four deaths or serious injuries within
    1.5 kilometres of the site of the proposed camera during the past three years. It is reassuring to
    know that if little Johnny gets mown down on his way to school, it will take only another three of
    his classmates to perish before the police are allowed to enforce the motoring laws.

    The main arguments of the anti-camera lobby are these: speed cameras can’t prevent accidents
    because, as the Transport Research Laboratory’s research paper TRL 323 proves, only 7 per cent of
    accidents are caused by excessive speed. Speed cameras are really about raising revenue. Worse, the
    crusade against honest middle-class motorists is diverting policemen from the business of catching
    ‘real’ criminals like burglars.

    The first argument is fallacious. The purpose of TRL 323 was not to discover how many accidents are
    caused by speeding but to analyse the way in which policemen had filled in accident report forms.
    While ‘excessive speed’ accounted for 7.3 per cent of the factors blamed for accidents, many of the
    other factors, like ‘behaviour — in a hurry’, ‘aggressive driving’ and ‘reckless behaviour’, were
    simply speeding by another name. The anti-camera lobby chooses to ignore other statistics by the
    Transport Research Laboratory, which show a 35 per cent reduction in the number of people killed and
    seriously injured close to the sites of speed cameras. A separate study in west London reported a 70
    per cent drop in accidents at camera sites compared with before cameras were installed.

    It isn’t true that speed cameras are great revenue-raisers. No one has installed cameras with more
    enthusiasm than Northamptonshire police, yet the force is nursing losses as the cameras have proved
    to cost more to maintain than they raise. That said, the government should neutralise the revenue
    argument altogether by using any surplus from speed cameras to award a rebate in road tax to anyone
    who reaches the end of the year with a clean licence.

    Dodgy statistics are one thing, but what really irritates me is the assertion that in some way
    police are persecuting middle-class motorists at the expense of pursuing ‘real’ criminals. ‘A
    serious political problem is being created by the emphasis that is being put on petty crimes at the
    expense of serious ones,’ writes Rachel Sylvester in the Daily Telegraph. Yet the prison population
    has doubled in recent years, and it certainly isn’t because jails are overflowing with Ruperts and
    Samanthas caught in their Volvos at 31 mph on Wandsworth Bridge. Several times I have been moved to
    write to police forces to report a case of criminal driving — one of which involved the driver of a
    smart new car deliberately forcing a cyclist off her bike for the offence of being in his way. On
    each such occasion, in spite of supplying a registration number, I have received a polite letter
    from the local constabulary regretting that nothing can be done. On the one occasion my car was
    broken into I received a call the next morning from a police officer who had seen the damage and had
    searched for witnesses.

    But if police forces are prosecuting more speeding motorists than they used to, there is good reason
    for doing so. Burgled Londoners like to bemoan the fact that the Metropolitan Police can’t follow
    the example of New York under Rudolph Giuliani, where crime was cut dramatically after the
    introduction of ‘zero tolerance’ policing. This was not achieved by sparing middle-class petty
    offenders. Zero tolerance means what it says: among those fined in New York in recent years are a
    commuter who occupied two seats of a subway train, a restaurant-owner who sat on an upturned milk
    crate, and numerous middle-class ladies who have fed pigeons in Central Park.

    The theory behind zero tolerance is that if you pick up people for petty offences, you tend in the
    process to capture serious offenders. Catch a graffiti artist and the chances are that you have also
    caught a drug-dealer. Keep tabs on ‘lifestyle crimes’ — petty offences which detract from the
    quality of life of local residents — and you give criminals and potential criminals a strong message
    that no crime will be tolerated.

    If it is true for graffiti artists in the Bronx, it is true for speeding middle-class motorists in
    Fulham; you can bet that those who treat speed limits with contempt are also likely to be fiddling
    their taxes and embezzling stationery from the office. At the moderate end of the spectrum, speeding
    is every bit as much a ‘lifestyle crime’ as spraying graffiti; at the more serious end, it is akin
    to running up behind somebody with a knife and bawling ‘get out of my way’. Middle-class motorists
    may huff and puff, but the rising tide of crime over the past five decades will not begin to be
    reversed until they accept that the law applies to them, too.

  2. Not Responding said:

    Seeing as everyone else is into unrestrained copyright violation, here's my contribution from
    one of my favourite publications; The Spectator. www.spectator.co.uk - it's a very good read and
    good value.

    "Speed Cameras are Godd for You" by Ross Clarke

    I am beginning to feel a bit lonely among fellow columnists. I do not have a speeding conviction
    upon which to vent spleen. Maybe one of these days I will notice a flash in my rear-view mirror,
    followed by a brown envelope in the post, and I will be ranting with the best of them: Simon
    Jenkins in the Times, Alan Judd in this magazine and almost everyone, every day, in the Daily
    Telegraph. But somehow I doubt it. I don’t seem to have a great deal of trouble adjusting the
    speed of my Peugeot to limits which, if anything, err rather too much on the liberal side.

    The above-mentioned gentlemen represent the civilised end of the anti-camera lobby. There is a
    more sinister end. Last month Mary Williams, who founded a road-safety pressure group Brake after
    her mother and boyfriend were killed by speeding motorists in separate incidents, received death
    threats via a motorists’ website, Pistonheads.com. One user of the site posted a note suggesting
    that her brake cables be cut; another described her as a witch who should be burned at the stake.
    Her crime was to appear on television to defend speed cameras. Invited to denounce the comments,
    Paul Smith, the founder of motorists’ pressure group SafeSpeed, remarked, ‘Mary Williams is a
    dangerous character because she supports a fatally flawed policy. The comments made about her are
    mild reactions, quite frankly.’

    Sadly, as with Northern Irish paramilitaries, the government has melted in the face of
    intimidation from the militant motorists’ lobby. Two years ago it ordered police forces to paint
    their speed cameras bright yellow, thus allowing a reckless motorist the opportunity to slow down
    for the few yards where the camera is sited before pulling away once more on his murderous
    passage. Now it is considering another way of appeasing speeding motorists: a Tory suggestion not
    to put points on the licences of those caught speeding by a camera, which would allow wealthy
    motorists to treat speeding fines as just another motoring expense. In addition, the government
    has subjected all new speed cameras to a ‘four-coffin rule’. Under new guidelines, police forces
    are allowed to use some of the income generated from speeding fines to set up new cameras, but
    may do so only on stretches of road where there have been at least four deaths or serious
    injuries within
    1.5 kilometres of the site of the proposed camera during the past three years. It is reassuring to
    know that if little Johnny gets mown down on his way to school, it will take only another three
    of his classmates to perish before the police are allowed to enforce the motoring laws.

    The main arguments of the anti-camera lobby are these: speed cameras can’t prevent accidents
    because, as the Transport Research Laboratory’s research paper TRL 323 proves, only 7 per cent of
    accidents are caused by excessive speed. Speed cameras are really about raising revenue. Worse,
    the crusade against honest middle-class motorists is diverting policemen from the business of
    catching ‘real’ criminals like burglars.

    The first argument is fallacious. The purpose of TRL 323 was not to discover how many accidents
    are caused by speeding but to analyse the way in which policemen had filled in accident report
    forms. While ‘excessive speed’ accounted for 7.3 per cent of the factors blamed for accidents,
    many of the other factors, like ‘behaviour — in a hurry’, ‘aggressive driving’ and ‘reckless
    behaviour’, were simply speeding by another name. The anti-camera lobby chooses to ignore other
    statistics by the Transport Research Laboratory, which show a 35 per cent reduction in the number
    of people killed and seriously injured close to the sites of speed cameras. A separate study in
    west London reported a 70 per cent drop in accidents at camera sites compared with before cameras
    were installed.

    It isn’t true that speed cameras are great revenue-raisers. No one has installed cameras with more
    enthusiasm than Northamptonshire police, yet the force is nursing losses as the cameras have
    proved to cost more to maintain than they raise. That said, the government should neutralise the
    revenue argument altogether by using any surplus from speed cameras to award a rebate in road tax
    to anyone who reaches the end of the year with a clean licence.

    Dodgy statistics are one thing, but what really irritates me is the assertion that in some way
    police are persecuting middle-class motorists at the expense of pursuing ‘real’ criminals. ‘A
    serious political problem is being created by the emphasis that is being put on petty crimes at
    the expense of serious ones,’ writes Rachel Sylvester in the Daily Telegraph. Yet the prison
    population has doubled in recent years, and it certainly isn’t because jails are overflowing with
    Ruperts and Samanthas caught in their Volvos at 31 mph on Wandsworth Bridge. Several times I have
    been moved to write to police forces to report a case of criminal driving — one of which involved
    the driver of a smart new car deliberately forcing a cyclist off her bike for the offence of being
    in his way. On each such occasion, in spite of supplying a registration number, I have received a
    polite letter from the local constabulary regretting that nothing can be done. On the one occasion
    my car was broken into I received a call the next morning from a police officer who had seen the
    damage and had searched for witnesses.

    But if police forces are prosecuting more speeding motorists than they used to, there is good
    reason for doing so. Burgled Londoners like to bemoan the fact that the Metropolitan Police can’t
    follow the example of New York under Rudolph Giuliani, where crime was cut dramatically after the
    introduction of ‘zero tolerance’ policing. This was not achieved by sparing middle-class petty
    offenders. Zero tolerance means what it says: among those fined in New York in recent years are a
    commuter who occupied two seats of a subway train, a restaurant-owner who sat on an upturned milk
    crate, and numerous middle-class ladies who have fed pigeons in Central Park.

    The theory behind zero tolerance is that if you pick up people for petty offences, you tend in the
    process to capture serious offenders. Catch a graffiti artist and the chances are that you have
    also caught a drug-dealer. Keep tabs on ‘lifestyle crimes’ — petty offences which detract from the
    quality of life of local residents — and you give criminals and potential criminals a strong
    message that no crime will be tolerated.

    If it is true for graffiti artists in the Bronx, it is true for speeding middle-class motorists in
    Fulham; you can bet that those who treat speed limits with contempt are also likely to be fiddling
    their taxes and embezzling stationery from the office. At the moderate end of the spectrum,
    speeding is every bit as much a ‘lifestyle crime’ as spraying graffiti; at the more serious end,
    it is akin to running up behind somebody with a knife and bawling ‘get out of my way’. Middle-
    class motorists may huff and puff, but the rising tide of crime over the past five decades will
    not begin to be reversed until they accept that the law applies to them, too.

    Send it to PS!

  3. Not Responding said:

    Seeing as everyone else is into unrestrained copyright violation, here's my contribution from
    one of my favourite publications; The Spectator. www.spectator.co.uk - it's a very good read and
    good value.

    "Speed Cameras are Godd for You" by Ross Clarke

    This should be posted on uk.tosspot.

    Then retire behind the nearest barricade ;-)

    John B

  4. <snippity snippity snip snip>

    Quoted message said:

    Send it to PS!

    Done. Heh heh....

  5. (snipped article)

    A good article indeed. What I particularly liked was that it addressed general attitudes as well as
    the specifics of speeding itself. Especially noteworthy is the comment on "zero tolerance" meaning
    exactly that, I wonder how many of those who advocate this policy actually realise that it applies
    to them as well.

    --
    Nigel Randell

  6. On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 19:48:11 +0000, Zog The Undeniable <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    [sniped article]

    What an absolutely remarkable piece of journalism! Not only is it honest, fair and balanced, I even
    agree with it!

    Guy
    ===
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
    chapmancentral.demon.co.ukchapmancentral.demon.co.uk

  7. Quoted message said:

    Especially noteworthy is the comment on "zero tolerance" meaning exactly that, I wonder how many of
    those who advocate this policy actually realise that it applies to them as well.

    I certainly do. If, when in motorist mode, I get done for speeding, then it's no-one's fault but
    mine. It means that I haven't been paying enough attention! Simple really.

    Cheers, helen s

    --This is an invalid email address to avoid spam-- to get correct one remove dependency on fame &
    fortune h*$el*$$e**nd***$o$ts***i*$*$m**m$$o*n**s@$*$a$$o**l.c**$*$om$$

  8. Not Responding said:

    Seeing as everyone else is into unrestrained copyright violation, here's my contribution from
    one of my favourite publications; The Spectator. www.spectator.co.uk - it's a very good read and
    good value.

    "Speed Cameras are Godd for You" by Ross Clarke

    I am beginning to feel a bit lonely among fellow columnists. I do not

    Excellent piece!

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) jasmine.org.uk~simon

    'there are no solutions, only precipitates'

  9. Nigel Randell said:

    (snipped article)

    A good article indeed. What I particularly liked was that it addressed general attitudes as well
    as the specifics of speeding itself. Especially noteworthy is the comment on "zero tolerance"
    meaning exactly that, I wonder how many of those who advocate this policy actually realise that it
    applies to them as well.

    I hope it means zero tolerance to all road users. That included people on bikes.

    Tony

  10. you know? said:

    On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 19:48:11 +0000, Zog The Undeniable <[email hidden]> wrote:

    [sniped article]

    What an absolutely remarkable piece of journalism! Not only is it honest, fair and balanced, I even
    agree with it!

    Guy
    ===
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
    chapmancentral.demon.co.ukchapmancentral.demon.co.uk

    I'll keep an eye on their 'only on the web' emails page to see what the reaction is - and let you
    know if anything interesting comes up.

    I'll dig around the archives as well as I'm sure I emember some other other sensible articles about
    motoring & transport issues in the past.

  11. "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]>typed

    Quoted message said:

    On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 19:48:11 +0000, Zog The Undeniable <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    [sniped article]

    Quoted message said:

    What an absolutely remarkable piece of journalism! Not only is it honest, fair and balanced, I
    even agree with it!

    Me too, also, as well.

    Thanks for passing it on.

    --
    Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden] Edgware.

  12. mae <[email hidden]> wedi ysgrifennu:

    Quoted message said:


    What an absolutely remarkable piece of journalism! Not only is it honest, fair and balanced, I
    even agree with it!

    Even "Catch a graffiti artist and the chances are that you have also caught a drug-dealer."?

    Seems to me that he's got the wrong end of the stick. Speeding isn't a problem because it's a petty
    offence that contributes to an atmosphere of disrespect and disregard, it's a problem because it's
    like walking trough town swinging a chainsaw around your head; it's bloody serious.

    --
    Rob

    Please keep conversations in the newsgroup so that all may contribute
    and benefit.

  13. Tony Raven said:


    I hope it means zero tolerance to all road users. That included people on bikes.

    To right.

    It might generate some interesting test cases around shared use pavements that sort of fade away and
    the tecnically unusable ASL.

    --
    Andy Morris

    AndyAtJinkasDotFreeserve.Co.UK

    Love this:
    Put an end to Outlook Express's messy quotes
    home.in.tum.deoe quotefix

  14. Mark Thompson said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > He's a bit goody two-shoes about not getting caught but its worth reading on.
    >
    > "Speed Cameras are Good for You" by Ross Clarke

    P**l S**th said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Hi Mark,

    Where did you find this damn thing?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Mark Thompson wrote: It was in the Spectator apparently. Still in the shops so you can see it in
    its fully printed glory.

    P**l S**th said:

    Thanks. They presented my words in an entirely misleading context. I've complained and they have
    agreed to carry a response from me in the next issue.

    --
    Best Regards, P**l S**th

    D'oh, wish I hadn't done it now :-(

  15. Mark Thompson said:


    D'oh, wish I hadn't done it now :-(

    I don't know, you troll baiters with your sticks. Can't resist can you?

    Tony

  16. On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 11:24:25 -0000, "Mark Thompson"

    (change warm for hot) said:

    D'oh, wish I hadn't done it now :-(

    Pens out, chaps. Letters to Boris at the ready!

    "I think the "speed cameras are good for you" article is a high point of British journalism. Really.

    The whole stupid business of complaining about enforcement while quietly ignoring the fact that
    speed limits are a legal requirement, has given speeders ammunition in their attempts to pretend
    that what they are doing is not really dangerous or illegal, when the evidence proves beyond doubt
    that it is both.

    I bet you'll now have a letter from Paul Smith of Safespeed claiming that speed cameras cost lives.
    Don't forget to ask him how he accounts for the fact that the effect he observes occurs only on
    motorways and rural minor roads - the roads least likely to have speed cameras. And don't forget to
    ask him if fatalities are increasing or decreasing (answer: decreasing). Or indeed why the "increase
    in fatality risk" is visible only in the motorcycling community. That's the problem with
    monomaniacs: they never look beyond what they are trying to prove.

    Well done for taking a pragmatic and refreshing stand against the speedophiles.

    Guy Chapman"

    Guy
    ===
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
    chapmancentral.demon.co.ukchapmancentral.demon.co.uk

  17. [email hidden] (dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers)typed

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I hope it means zero tolerance to all road users. That included people on bikes.

    Quoted message said:

    I don't have a problem with this.

    Quoted message said:

    Cheers, helen s

    Me neither.

    --
    Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden] Edgware.

  18. Quoted message said:
    P**l S**th said:

    Thanks. They presented my words in an entirely misleading context. I've complained and they have
    agreed to carry a response from me in the next issue.

    Wherein you'll find his response. He feels that "[his] reputation, as a serious researcher and road-
    safety campaigner" needs defending.

    spectator.co.ukarticle.php3

    Colin
    --

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