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  1. When we lived in Chattanooga, Tn there was a family named Gulas that had a
    restaurant bearing the same name. One day they just closed up with no
    warning taking all their recipes with them.

    One of the more popular dishes they served up was basic Spaghetti, large
    noodles, in an oval dish, with some of the most wonderful sauce I have ever
    tasted.

    My question is does anyone have any recipes for spaghetti sauce that has
    ground beef? This particular sauce could have had onions minced in but
    there was never the taste of Bell Peppers as there is in some meat recipes.

    To anyone sharing I appreciate it in advance.

    Gary

  2. Gary KW4Z said:

    My question is does anyone have any recipes for spaghetti
    sauce that has ground beef? This particular sauce could have
    had onions minced in but there was never the taste of Bell
    Peppers as there is in some meat recipes.

    There is a classic, utterly delicious bolognese sauce where the ground
    beef is sauteed with a certain proportion of minced chicken livers,
    and then a certain amount of milk is added and then the mixture
    cooked down. It's possible the sauce you're thinking of is along
    these lines.

    Another variation is using a fraction of veal.

    Steve

  3. Gary KW4Z said:

    When we lived in Chattanooga, Tn there was a family named Gulas that had a
    restaurant bearing the same name.  One day they just closed up with no
    warning taking all their recipes with them.

    One of the more popular dishes they served up was basic Spaghetti, large
    noodles, in an oval dish, with some of the most wonderful sauce I have ever
    tasted.

    My question is does anyone have any recipes for spaghetti sauce that has
    ground beef?  This particular sauce could have had onions minced in but
    there was never the taste of Bell Peppers as there is in some meat recipes.

    To anyone sharing I appreciate it in advance.

    A good restaurant would have used like 2/3 beef and 1/3 pork that they
    ground themselves, browned in mild olive oil, with canned crushed
    tomatoes... easy on the onions, not too much garlic, light on the
    oregano, some s n' p. For a really rich meat sauce use a generous
    pound of meat to each quart tomatoes. Served with the sauce heaped
    over fresh cooked pasta... only trailer trash peasants serve pasta
    premixed with the sauce, like it came out of a can or was left overs
    scraped from previous diner's dishes.

    Sheldon

  4. Gary KW4Z said:

    [snip]
    One of the more popular dishes they served up was basic Spaghetti, large
    noodles, in an oval dish, with some of the most wonderful sauce I have ever
    tasted.

    My question is does anyone have any recipes for spaghetti sauce that has
    ground beef? [snip]

    Google for the recipe for "Ragu Bolognese" from the terrific
    cookbook"The Splendid Table". It may or not be what you're thinking
    of -- who could know? -- but it is traditional, not difficult to make,
    and over the top delicious. -aem

  5. "aem" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Gary KW4Z said:

    [snip]
    One of the more popular dishes they served up was basic
    Spaghetti, large
    noodles, in an oval dish, with some of the most wonderful
    sauce I have ever
    tasted.

    My question is does anyone have any recipes for spaghetti
    sauce that has
    ground beef? [snip]

    Google for the recipe for "Ragu Bolognese" from the terrific
    cookbook"The Splendid Table". It may or not be what you're
    thinking
    of -- who could know? -- but it is traditional, not difficult
    to make,
    and over the top delicious. -aem

    That sounds like a good suggestion. Ragu can be summed up as a
    meat sauce with tomatoes rather than a tomato sauce with meat.

    --
    James Silverton
    Potomac, Maryland

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  6. I wouldn't discount anything, as long as it didn't involve Green Peppers but
    I doubt that it had liver or a milk content as, from memory, the sauce was
    mostly ground beef (brown and cooked well) and the sauce that was with it or
    it was in was not completely red, as most Bolognese sauce would be but but
    you actually could see part of the ground beef grease mixed in with it to
    the point that I'm wondering if it wasn't sautéed in an olive oil before
    being mixed in with the main sauce. Actually I'd say the beef content was
    much more than the tomato content from what I remember but the sauce was
    fairly clear and I don't know that the milk content, at any mixture, would
    allow that. It is a possibility however I'm sure.

    Steve Pope said:
    Gary KW4Z said:

    My question is does anyone have any recipes for spaghetti
    sauce that has ground beef? This particular sauce could have
    had onions minced in but there was never the taste of Bell
    Peppers as there is in some meat recipes.

    There is a classic, utterly delicious bolognese sauce where the ground
    beef is sauteed with a certain proportion of minced chicken livers,
    and then a certain amount of milk is added and then the mixture
    cooked down. It's possible the sauce you're thinking of is along
    these lines.

    Another variation is using a fraction of veal.

    Steve

  7. "Gary KW4Z" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I wouldn't discount anything, as long as it didn't involve
    Green Peppers but
    I doubt that it had liver or a milk content as, from memory,
    the sauce was
    mostly ground beef (brown and cooked well) and the sauce that
    was with it or
    it was in was not completely red, as most Bolognese sauce
    would be but but
    you actually could see part of the ground beef grease mixed in
    with it to
    the point that I'm wondering if it wasn't sautéed in an olive
    oil before
    being mixed in with the main sauce. Actually I'd say the beef
    content was
    much more than the tomato content from what I remember but the
    sauce was
    fairly clear and I don't know that the milk content, at any
    mixture, would
    allow that. It is a possibility however I'm sure.

    Ragu Bolognese is cooked for a long time and milk is added from
    time to time in small quantities. Initially, you can detect the
    milk but the cloudiness just disappears. Some recipes call for
    chicken livers as well as beef, pork and veal but the only
    vegetables I am familiar with are tomatoes, carrots, mushrooms,
    celery and onions, never bell peppers.

    --
    James Silverton
    Potomac, Maryland

  8. James Silverton not.jim.siverton.at.comcast.not said:

    "Gary KW4Z" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I doubt that it had liver or a milk content as, from memory,
    the sauce was
    mostly ground beef (brown and cooked well) and the sauce that
    was with it or
    it was in was not completely red, as most Bolognese sauce
    would be but but
    you actually could see part of the ground beef grease mixed in
    with it to
    the point that I'm wondering if it wasn't sautéed in an olive
    oil before
    being mixed in with the main sauce. Actually I'd say the beef
    content was
    much more than the tomato content from what I remember but the
    sauce was
    fairly clear and I don't know that the milk content, at any
    mixture, would
    allow that. It is a possibility however I'm sure.

    Quoted message said:

    Ragu Bolognese is cooked for a long time and milk is added from
    time to time in small quantities. Initially, you can detect the
    milk but the cloudiness just disappears. Some recipes call for
    chicken livers as well as beef, pork and veal but the only
    vegetables I am familiar with are tomatoes, carrots, mushrooms,
    celery and onions, never bell peppers.

    I will add that the versions with chicken liver uses
    only a small amount of chicken liver, enough to accentuate
    the flavor but not enough to stand out on its own.

    Also some people include a bit of lemon juice.

    Steve

  9. On 3/31/07 11:23 PM, in article
    [email hidden], "James Silverton"

    not.jim.silverton.at.comcast.not said:

    "Gary KW4Z" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I wouldn't discount anything, as long as it didn't involve
    Green Peppers but
    I doubt that it had liver or a milk content as, from memory,
    the sauce was
    mostly ground beef (brown and cooked well) and the sauce that
    was with it or
    it was in was not completely red, as most Bolognese sauce
    would be but but
    you actually could see part of the ground beef grease mixed in
    with it to
    the point that I'm wondering if it wasn't sautéed in an olive
    oil before
    being mixed in with the main sauce. Actually I'd say the beef
    content was
    much more than the tomato content from what I remember but the
    sauce was
    fairly clear and I don't know that the milk content, at any
    mixture, would
    allow that. It is a possibility however I'm sure.

    Ragu Bolognese is cooked for a long time and milk is added from
    time to time in small quantities. Initially, you can detect the
    milk but the cloudiness just disappears. Some recipes call for
    chicken livers as well as beef, pork and veal but the only
    vegetables I am familiar with are tomatoes, carrots, mushrooms,
    celery and onions, never bell peppers.

    Thanks to both you and Steve and any others that have contributed. After
    researching your information along with Google I have very little doubt that
    you are correct and on to the process by which they made their sauce. Some
    websites showed pictures and I have no doubt that is the sauce I'm looking
    for. Thank you for your contributions. I even, now, understand the purpose
    of adding the milk whereas I never realized it before so I suppose I've
    learned my new thing for today.

    Again thank you very much for your helpful and considerate contributions.

  10. James Silverton said:

    That sounds like a good suggestion. Ragu can be summed up as a
    meat sauce with tomatoes rather than a tomato sauce with meat.

    It's just a geographycal question: in northern Italy ragout is made with
    much more meat than tomato, while in the south the opposite is true. It is
    due to the different techniques: in ragout "a-la bolognese" you put ground
    meat in the ragout, while in soputhern style ragouts they just cook a bigh
    piece of meat in the tomato and then use the sauce as ragout and the meat as
    a second course.
    Note: the sauce made in the southern style is usually used just as bolognese
    ragout: in lasagne, as a pasta dressing, etc
    --
    Vilco
    Think pink, drink rose'

  11. Vilco wrote on Mon, 02 Apr 2007 15:05:40 GMT:

    ??>> That sounds like a good suggestion. Ragu can be summed up
    ??>> as a meat sauce with tomatoes rather than a tomato sauce
    ??>> with meat.

    V> It's just a geographycal question: in northern Italy ragout
    is made
    V> with much more meat than tomato, while in the south the
    V> opposite is true. It is due to the different techniques: in
    ragout
    V> "a-la bolognese" you put ground meat in the ragout, while in
    V> soputhern style ragouts they just cook a bigh piece of meat
    V> in the tomato and then use the sauce as ragout and the meat
    V> as a second course.

    Sounds interesting; I'd like to try that!

    V> Note: the sauce made in the southern style is usually used
    just
    V> as bolognese ragout: in lasagne, as a pasta dressing, etc

    James Silverton
    Potomac, Maryland

    E-mail, with obvious alterations:
    not.jim.silverton.at.comcast.not

  12. Gary KW4Z said:

    When we lived in Chattanooga, Tn there was a family named Gulas that had a
    restaurant bearing the same name. One day they just closed up with no
    warning taking all their recipes with them.

    One of the more popular dishes they served up was basic Spaghetti, large
    noodles, in an oval dish, with some of the most wonderful sauce I have ever
    tasted.

    My question is does anyone have any recipes for spaghetti sauce that has
    ground beef? This particular sauce could have had onions minced in but
    there was never the taste of Bell Peppers as there is in some meat recipes.

    To anyone sharing I appreciate it in advance.

    Meat sauce is the only kind of spaghetti sauce I've ever
    made but I don't have recipe. I just brown the meat, onions,
    and garlic in olive oil and then add basil and oregano
    and parsley and canned tomato sauce or puree or crushed or
    diced tomatoes depending on what I'm in the mood for or what
    I have on hand. Season with salt and pepper to taste.
    Sometimes I use half sweet or hot Italian sausage.

    Of course lately, in the last 5 years or so, with the plethora
    of decent jarred spaghetti sauces I usually just use one of
    those and add ground beef. I'm getting lazy in my old age.

    Kate

    --
    Kate Connally
    “If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead already.”
    Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back,
    Until you bite their heads off.”
    What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about?
    [email hidden]

  13. i stopped using my own spaghetti sauce (mom's recipe) once i realized that
    no one could tell the difference between it and jarred!

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    Gary KW4Z said:

    When we lived in Chattanooga, Tn there was a family named Gulas that had


    a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    restaurant bearing the same name. One day they just closed up with no
    warning taking all their recipes with them.

    One of the more popular dishes they served up was basic Spaghetti, large
    noodles, in an oval dish, with some of the most wonderful sauce I have


    ever

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    tasted.

    My question is does anyone have any recipes for spaghetti sauce that has
    ground beef? This particular sauce could have had onions minced in but
    there was never the taste of Bell Peppers as there is in some meat


    recipes.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    To anyone sharing I appreciate it in advance.

    SNIP ...no offense meant Kate :-)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Kate

    Gulas seems to be a Greek name. Greek sauce is a staple of some restaurants,
    high and low class. In my callow youth as a starving music student in NYC I
    learned the joys of 'Greek gashouse's. Wonderful people who understood our
    plight. I would also like to know a generic Greek spaghetti sauce. It seems
    to be somewhat universal here in the USA, in that I have eaten it in many
    Cities/States and was somewhat similar enough to be considered comfort road
    food.
    Give us some help here people, please.

    Hubert

  15. readandpostrosie said:

    i stopped using my own spaghetti sauce (mom's recipe) once i realized that
    no one could tell the difference between it and jarred!

    That's because everyone you associate with never tasted anything but
    jarred, and your mom's recipe must be awful.

    Those jarred sauces are a fake product, no matter how much you pay
    you're buying jars. Ten times better sauce can be made from canned
    tomatoes seasoned with dried herbs n' spices and a glug of dago red in
    under 20 minutes... and no time lost... because it takes longer to
    bring water to the boil and cook the pasta. And if yoose really wanna
    wow em with gormet just before serving dump in a couple cans minced
    clams, juice n all. Natcherly for you I'd suggest a quickie
    putanesca, add minced anchovy and olives. I have dozens of quickies
    that the lazy brain dead jarred [censored] never thought of. Folks
    don't buy jarred sauce because they're lazy and/or don't have time...
    the ONLY reasons folks buy jarred sauce is because they're stupid and
    possess zero creative ability, but mostly because they're just
    stupid... they'd eat [censored] if it was jarred, and when they eat jarred
    they do.

    Sheldon

  16. Gary KW4Z said:

    My question is does anyone have any recipes for spaghetti sauce that has
    ground beef? This particular sauce could have had onions minced in but
    there was never the taste of Bell Peppers as there is in some meat recipes.

    As others have suggested, it could have been ragù alla bolognese or
    something similar. Or it could have been a simpler sugo di carne,
    literally "meat sauce". Here are the recipes for both sauces from
    _Cucina Italiana_, compiled by the Accademia Italiana della Cucina.
    BTW, in Italy, using this kind of sauce with spaghetti is not really
    traditional, though certainly not unknown. I'd suggest white or green
    tagliatelle or lasagne instead, in the latter case adding some
    besciamella sauce.

    Victor

    Ragù alla bolognese

    Make the ragù alla bolognese:
    50 g (2 oz) pancetta
    1 medium onion
    1 small carrot
    1 stick celery
    50 g (1/4 cup) butter
    200 g (3/4 cups) ground mixed meats (pork, veal, beef)
    1/2 cup dry red wine
    2 tablespoons tomato sauce (see below)
    1 teaspoon meat extract
    salt
    freshly ground pepper
    1 cup milk

    Chop the pancetta very finely with the onion, carrot and celery. Melt
    the butter in a heavy saucepan; when it is bubbling, add the chopped
    vegetables and the ground meats. Brown for a few minutes, turn up the
    heat and pour in the red wine. When this has completely evaporated, add
    the tomato sauce, diluted in a little hot water, and the dissolved meat
    extract. Season with salt and pepper as required. Cover and leave to
    simmer over low heat for 30-40 minutes until the sauce is quite thick.
    Pour in the milk, stir well, cover and simmer over very low heat until
    the milk is absorbed.

    To make the tomato sauce:
    300 g (2 cups) ripe of canned plum tomatoes, chopped
    1 small carrot
    1 small onion
    1 stick celery
    2 basil leaves (optional)
    1/2 clove garlic
    1 1/8 cups olive oil
    salt
    freshly ground pepper

    Choose ripe, plump and juicy summer tomatoes for this sauce. Rinse
    thoroughly, chop, salt lightly and leave to sweat in a colander placed
    over a bowl. Sauté the chopped vegetables, basil and garlic in a heavy
    skillet in a few tablespoons of oil. Add the tomatoes immediately,
    bring to a boil and cook over moderate heat for about 1/2 hour. When
    the tomatoes are no longer watery, strain in a vegetable mill or blend
    in a food processor. If the sauce is too thin, reduce by cooking
    briefly over high heat. Check the seasoning and add some more oil and a
    little sugar if desired. Pour into a sauceboat when hot.

    This is the original recipe for the ragù alla bolognese. Other
    variations have been developed which in no way detract from the
    traditional recipe - indeed they make the sauce richer. In addition to
    the traditional ingredients listed above, other recipes for the the ragù
    alla bolognese may include chicken livers, or a few dried porcini
    mushrooms softened in warm water and then chopped together with the
    vegetables and the pancetta, or the fat and lean parts of Parma ham
    slices, or even - and this produces the very best results - all three of
    these ingredients. Prepare the sauce the previous day and keep in a
    cool place in a covered non-reactive casserole.

    Ragù alla bolognese is an excellent filling for white or green lasagne
    or an accompaniment to tortellini.
    _______________________________________________________________________

    Sugo di carne

    30 g (1/4 cup) suet
    40 g (1/3 cup) butter
    250 g (1 generous cup) ground beef
    1/2 onion, chopped
    1/2 stick celery, chopped
    1/2 carrot, chopped
    1/2 clove garlic
    1 sprig rosemary
    2 large ripe tomatoes
    1 1/8 cup red wine
    salt
    freshly ground pepper
    1 1/8 cups meat stock

    Melt the suet and the butter in a saucepan and add the ground beef.
    When the meat is browned, add the chopped onion, celery, carrot, garlic
    and rosemary. Season with salt and pepper and leave to cook for 5-10
    minutes, stirring occasionally. Meanwhile, peel the tomatoes, remove
    the seeds and chop coarsely. Pour in the red wine and when it has
    evaporated, add the tomatoes. Continue to cook over moderate heat for
    at least 2 hours, occasionally adding a ladle of stock, until the meat
    is cooked and the sauce thick. Serve the meat together with its juice
    or purée in a blender.

  17. Jo wrote on Wed, 04 Apr 2007 20:49:30 -0400:

    JA> I had a look at three of them:

    JA> http://allrecipes.com/Recipe/Ragu-Bolognese/Detail.aspx
    JA> http://www.epicureantable.com/recipes/S/sobologn.htm
    JA>
    http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/recipes/recipe/0,1977,FOOD_9936_22503,00.html

    JA> I'm a bit confused about the seasoning. There's no basil or
    JA> other herb in any of these recipes. In fact, the first one
    JA> doesn't even have salt and pepper!

    JA> Is this correct? Is Ragu Bolognese intended to me made
    JA> without herbs? I don't believe I've ever made my usual
    JA> pasta sauce like this.

    JA> Having said all this, I really want to make this stuff.
    JA> Sounds heavenly.

    I usually use fresh or dried oregano as the only herb. For 4
    servings, I would use 1 tab of dried oregano but don't let it
    overpower the flavor!

    James Silverton
    Potomac, Maryland

    E-mail, with obvious alterations:
    not.jim.silverton.at.comcast.not

  18. "Gary KW4Z" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    When we lived in Chattanooga, Tn there was a family named Gulas that had a
    restaurant bearing the same name. One day they just closed up with no
    warning taking all their recipes with them.

    One of the more popular dishes they served up was basic Spaghetti, large
    noodles, in an oval dish, with some of the most wonderful sauce I have ever
    tasted.

    My question is does anyone have any recipes for spaghetti sauce that has
    ground beef? This particular sauce could have had onions minced in but
    there was never the taste of Bell Peppers as there is in some meat recipes.

    To anyone sharing I appreciate it in advance.

    Gary

    There are a gazillion recipes on the net. Do a Google search for "Italian
    Gravy" That has become a not so common term for the slow cooked
    "Sunday/restaurant sauce" for the Italian Americans.

    Dimitri

  19. Dimitri said:

    There are a gazillion recipes on the net. Do a Google search for "Italian
    Gravy" That has become a not so common term for the slow cooked
    "Sunday/restaurant sauce" for the Italian Americans.
    Dimitri

    Never in my family. We never used the term "gravy" in English for our
    sauce. But of course I have heard it used, mostly here or on television?

  20. Thats right......Prego is just as good as home made(you just have to
    doctor it up alittle)

    chef charles

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