Soy-based shakes help lower weight, cholesterol

Roman Bystrianyk said:

Charnicia E. Huggins, "Soy-based shakes help lower weight,
cholesterol", Reuters, June 16, 2005,
Link:
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=healthNews&storyID=8814602

For people trying to lose weight, new research suggests that soy-based
liquid meal replacement shakes may be just as effective as intensive
behavioral therapy and more effective than weight loss medications.

"Using two meal replacements daily is one of the most effective ways of
losing weight on your own," study author Dr. James W. Anderson, of the
University of Kentucky told Reuters Health.

What's more, the benefits of soy-based meal replacements may extend
beyond trimming the waistline, the report indicates. It also appears to
help lower cholesterol and trigylceride levels.

"The bottom line is soy is healthy, and while incorporating it into
weight loss may not have a more dramatic effect on your waistline than
other nutrition plans, its benefits go beyond weight loss toward
increasing overall health," Anderson said in a university statement.

Obese individuals who follow very-low-energy diets have been shown to
lose substantial amounts of weight and to maintain their weight loss.
Further, recent interventions have shown that liquid meal replacements,
or shakes, are also an effective means of weight loss and weight
maintenance.

Anderson, and co-author Dr. Lars H. Hole, of NutriPharma in Norway,
compared a soy-based liquid meal replacement, licensed by NutriPharma,
and a milk-based liquid meal replacement in a 12-week study of weight
loss among overweight and obese men and women.

Adults assigned to the soy group were instructed to consume five
servings of Scan-Diet each day along with fruits and vegetables. Those
assigned to the milk group were instructed to consume two servings of
Slim-Fast each day along with fruits, vegetables and two servings of
chicken breast, turkey or other lean meat.

Study participants were also asked to keep a record of their compliance
with the meal-replacements as well as their food intake and level of
physical activity.

Overall, the 30 participants who completed the soy intervention
reported consuming about 3.7 shakes daily -- 74 percent of the
recommended amount -- while the 22 participants who completed the
milk-based intervention consumed about two shakes daily, as
recommended.

Both groups achieved weight loss over the three-month study period,
Anderson and Hole report in the Journal of the American College of
Nutrition. Weight loss amounted to about 8.5 percent of initial body
weight for all participants, and was not statistically different in the
two groups.

This weight loss was equivalent to, or greater than, what would have
been expected if they had participated in intensive behavioral
intervention, the researchers note. And, they add, it was also about
two times greater than the weight loss reported among individuals who
use weight loss medications.

Men and women who used the soy-based meal replacements had consistently
lower total cholesterol and LDL ("bad"😉 cholesterol levels than did
those who consumed the milk-based meal replacements, the report
indicates.

Further, the soy group experienced a reduction in their blood level of
triglycerides, while there was no change among those in the milk group.

"Soy protein is very effective at lowering cholesterol," Anderson said.
However, he added, "Since milk-based shakes are almost as effective for
weight loss and are better tolerated by many people, I let people make
their choice."

SOURCE: Journal of the American College of Nutrition, June 2005.

Nice piece of advertising. Gotta love these marketting researchers.

-------
James W. Anderson, University of Kentucky and the Veterans Affairs
Medical Center, Lexington. Research on the cholesterol-lowering effects
of psyllium funded by Procter & Gamble Company. (Am. J. Clin. Nutr.
2000;71:1433-8) Research on psyllium on glucose and serum lipid
responses in men with type 2 diabetes and hypercholesterolemia, funded
by Procter & Gamble Company. (Am. J. Clin. Nutr. 2000;70:466-73)
Research on the difference in cognitive development between breast-fed
and formula-fed children, funded by Martek Biosciences Corporation and
HCF Nutrition Foundation. (AM. J. Clin. Nutr. 2000;70:525- 35) Research
on using Orlistat for weight maintenance funded by F Hoffmann-La Roche.
(Am. J. Clin. Nutr. 1999;69:1108-16)Research on yogurt and cholesterol
supported by Campina Melkunie. (J. Am. Col. of Nutr. 1999;18:43-9)
Research on type 2 diabetes mellitus supported in part by Roche
Vitamins. (J. Amer. Coll. Nutr. 1999;18:451-61)
---------

Soy is not real food.

http://www.westonaprice.org/mythstruths/mtsoy.html
http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/complaints.html
http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/dangersisoflavones.html
http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/ploy.html
http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/soy_studies.html

TC

"TC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Roman Bystrianyk said:

Charnicia E. Huggins, "Soy-based shakes help lower weight,
cholesterol", Reuters, June 16, 2005,
Link:
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=healthNews&storyID=8814602

For people trying to lose weight, new research suggests that soy-based
liquid meal replacement shakes may be just as effective as intensive
behavioral therapy and more effective than weight loss medications.

"Using two meal replacements daily is one of the most effective ways of
losing weight on your own," study author Dr. James W. Anderson, of the
University of Kentucky told Reuters Health.

What's more, the benefits of soy-based meal replacements may extend
beyond trimming the waistline, the report indicates. It also appears to
help lower cholesterol and trigylceride levels.

"The bottom line is soy is healthy, and while incorporating it into
weight loss may not have a more dramatic effect on your waistline than
other nutrition plans, its benefits go beyond weight loss toward
increasing overall health," Anderson said in a university statement.

Obese individuals who follow very-low-energy diets have been shown to
lose substantial amounts of weight and to maintain their weight loss.
Further, recent interventions have shown that liquid meal replacements,
or shakes, are also an effective means of weight loss and weight
maintenance.

Anderson, and co-author Dr. Lars H. Hole, of NutriPharma in Norway,
compared a soy-based liquid meal replacement, licensed by NutriPharma,
and a milk-based liquid meal replacement in a 12-week study of weight
loss among overweight and obese men and women.

Adults assigned to the soy group were instructed to consume five
servings of Scan-Diet each day along with fruits and vegetables. Those
assigned to the milk group were instructed to consume two servings of
Slim-Fast each day along with fruits, vegetables and two servings of
chicken breast, turkey or other lean meat.

Study participants were also asked to keep a record of their compliance
with the meal-replacements as well as their food intake and level of
physical activity.

Overall, the 30 participants who completed the soy intervention
reported consuming about 3.7 shakes daily -- 74 percent of the
recommended amount -- while the 22 participants who completed the
milk-based intervention consumed about two shakes daily, as
recommended.

Both groups achieved weight loss over the three-month study period,
Anderson and Hole report in the Journal of the American College of
Nutrition. Weight loss amounted to about 8.5 percent of initial body
weight for all participants, and was not statistically different in the
two groups.

This weight loss was equivalent to, or greater than, what would have
been expected if they had participated in intensive behavioral
intervention, the researchers note. And, they add, it was also about
two times greater than the weight loss reported among individuals who
use weight loss medications.

Men and women who used the soy-based meal replacements had consistently
lower total cholesterol and LDL ("bad"😉 cholesterol levels than did
those who consumed the milk-based meal replacements, the report
indicates.

Further, the soy group experienced a reduction in their blood level of
triglycerides, while there was no change among those in the milk group.

"Soy protein is very effective at lowering cholesterol," Anderson said.
However, he added, "Since milk-based shakes are almost as effective for
weight loss and are better tolerated by many people, I let people make
their choice."

SOURCE: Journal of the American College of Nutrition, June 2005.

Nice piece of advertising. Gotta love these marketting researchers.

I think a key thing they should have asked participants is would you continue
with this regime?

Bill

Quoted message said:

-------
James W. Anderson, University of Kentucky and the Veterans Affairs
Medical Center, Lexington. Research on the cholesterol-lowering effects
of psyllium funded by Procter & Gamble Company. (Am. J. Clin. Nutr.
2000;71:1433-8) Research on psyllium on glucose and serum lipid
responses in men with type 2 diabetes and hypercholesterolemia, funded
by Procter & Gamble Company. (Am. J. Clin. Nutr. 2000;70:466-73)
Research on the difference in cognitive development between breast-fed
and formula-fed children, funded by Martek Biosciences Corporation and
HCF Nutrition Foundation. (AM. J. Clin. Nutr. 2000;70:525- 35) Research
on using Orlistat for weight maintenance funded by F Hoffmann-La Roche.
(Am. J. Clin. Nutr. 1999;69:1108-16)Research on yogurt and cholesterol
supported by Campina Melkunie. (J. Am. Col. of Nutr. 1999;18:43-9)
Research on type 2 diabetes mellitus supported in part by Roche
Vitamins. (J. Amer. Coll. Nutr. 1999;18:451-61)
---------

Soy is not real food.

http://www.westonaprice.org/mythstruths/mtsoy.html
http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/complaints.html
http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/dangersisoflavones.html
http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/ploy.html
http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/soy_studies.html

TC

I tossed all my remaining soy milk in the best place possible. Down
the sink.

rr

TC said:

Roman Bystrianyk said:

Charnicia E. Huggins, "Soy-based shakes help lower weight,
cholesterol", Reuters, June 16, 2005,
Link:
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=healthNews&storyID=8814602

For people trying to lose weight, new research suggests that soy-based
liquid meal replacement shakes may be just as effective as intensive
behavioral therapy and more effective than weight loss medications.

"Using two meal replacements daily is one of the most effective ways of
losing weight on your own," study author Dr. James W. Anderson, of the
University of Kentucky told Reuters Health.

What's more, the benefits of soy-based meal replacements may extend
beyond trimming the waistline, the report indicates. It also appears to
help lower cholesterol and trigylceride levels.

"The bottom line is soy is healthy, and while incorporating it into
weight loss may not have a more dramatic effect on your waistline than
other nutrition plans, its benefits go beyond weight loss toward
increasing overall health," Anderson said in a university statement.

Obese individuals who follow very-low-energy diets have been shown to
lose substantial amounts of weight and to maintain their weight loss.
Further, recent interventions have shown that liquid meal replacements,
or shakes, are also an effective means of weight loss and weight
maintenance.

Anderson, and co-author Dr. Lars H. Hole, of NutriPharma in Norway,
compared a soy-based liquid meal replacement, licensed by NutriPharma,
and a milk-based liquid meal replacement in a 12-week study of weight
loss among overweight and obese men and women.

Adults assigned to the soy group were instructed to consume five
servings of Scan-Diet each day along with fruits and vegetables. Those
assigned to the milk group were instructed to consume two servings of
Slim-Fast each day along with fruits, vegetables and two servings of
chicken breast, turkey or other lean meat.

Study participants were also asked to keep a record of their compliance
with the meal-replacements as well as their food intake and level of
physical activity.

Overall, the 30 participants who completed the soy intervention
reported consuming about 3.7 shakes daily -- 74 percent of the
recommended amount -- while the 22 participants who completed the
milk-based intervention consumed about two shakes daily, as
recommended.

Both groups achieved weight loss over the three-month study period,
Anderson and Hole report in the Journal of the American College of
Nutrition. Weight loss amounted to about 8.5 percent of initial body
weight for all participants, and was not statistically different in the
two groups.

This weight loss was equivalent to, or greater than, what would have
been expected if they had participated in intensive behavioral
intervention, the researchers note. And, they add, it was also about
two times greater than the weight loss reported among individuals who
use weight loss medications.

Men and women who used the soy-based meal replacements had consistently
lower total cholesterol and LDL ("bad"😉 cholesterol levels than did
those who consumed the milk-based meal replacements, the report
indicates.

Further, the soy group experienced a reduction in their blood level of
triglycerides, while there was no change among those in the milk group.

"Soy protein is very effective at lowering cholesterol," Anderson said.
However, he added, "Since milk-based shakes are almost as effective for
weight loss and are better tolerated by many people, I let people make
their choice."

SOURCE: Journal of the American College of Nutrition, June 2005.

Nice piece of advertising. Gotta love these marketting researchers.

-------
James W. Anderson, University of Kentucky and the Veterans Affairs
Medical Center, Lexington. Research on the cholesterol-lowering effects
of psyllium funded by Procter & Gamble Company. (Am. J. Clin. Nutr.
2000;71:1433-8) Research on psyllium on glucose and serum lipid
responses in men with type 2 diabetes and hypercholesterolemia, funded
by Procter & Gamble Company. (Am. J. Clin. Nutr. 2000;70:466-73)
Research on the difference in cognitive development between breast-fed
and formula-fed children, funded by Martek Biosciences Corporation and
HCF Nutrition Foundation. (AM. J. Clin. Nutr. 2000;70:525- 35) Research
on using Orlistat for weight maintenance funded by F Hoffmann-La Roche.
(Am. J. Clin. Nutr. 1999;69:1108-16)Research on yogurt and cholesterol
supported by Campina Melkunie. (J. Am. Col. of Nutr. 1999;18:43-9)
Research on type 2 diabetes mellitus supported in part by Roche
Vitamins. (J. Amer. Coll. Nutr. 1999;18:451-61)
---------

Soy is not real food.

http://www.westonaprice.org/mythstruths/mtsoy.html
http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/complaints.html
http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/dangersisoflavones.html
http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/ploy.html
http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/soy_studies.html

TC

Roger Rabbit said:

I tossed all my remaining soy milk in the best place possible. Down
the sink.

I can see it being contentious for babies and for women with certain
cancers, but it's not a "non" food. In moderation:

Ginger Zing

One litre soy milk (non-fat, plain, fortified with vits and calcium)
one pineapple, cut up for blender
one thumb size piece raw ginger, peeled and slivered
one-quarter teaspoon tumeric

Blend like mad. Makes four or five servings.

This, with a barley flour cranberry muffin (canola oil for the fat)
will make a nutritious high antioxidant, low-fat, high-protein,
cholesterol lowering breakfast.

Zee

Quoted message said:

rr

TC said:

Roman Bystrianyk said:

Charnicia E. Huggins, "Soy-based shakes help lower weight,
cholesterol", Reuters, June 16, 2005,
Link:
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=healthNews&storyID=8814602

For people trying to lose weight, new research suggests that soy-based
liquid meal replacement shakes may be just as effective as intensive
behavioral therapy and more effective than weight loss medications.

"Using two meal replacements daily is one of the most effective ways of
losing weight on your own," study author Dr. James W. Anderson, of the
University of Kentucky told Reuters Health.

What's more, the benefits of soy-based meal replacements may extend
beyond trimming the waistline, the report indicates. It also appears to
help lower cholesterol and trigylceride levels.

"The bottom line is soy is healthy, and while incorporating it into
weight loss may not have a more dramatic effect on your waistline than
other nutrition plans, its benefits go beyond weight loss toward
increasing overall health," Anderson said in a university statement.

Obese individuals who follow very-low-energy diets have been shown to
lose substantial amounts of weight and to maintain their weight loss.
Further, recent interventions have shown that liquid meal replacements,
or shakes, are also an effective means of weight loss and weight
maintenance.

Anderson, and co-author Dr. Lars H. Hole, of NutriPharma in Norway,
compared a soy-based liquid meal replacement, licensed by NutriPharma,
and a milk-based liquid meal replacement in a 12-week study of weight
loss among overweight and obese men and women.

Adults assigned to the soy group were instructed to consume five
servings of Scan-Diet each day along with fruits and vegetables. Those
assigned to the milk group were instructed to consume two servings of
Slim-Fast each day along with fruits, vegetables and two servings of
chicken breast, turkey or other lean meat.

Study participants were also asked to keep a record of their compliance
with the meal-replacements as well as their food intake and level of
physical activity.

Overall, the 30 participants who completed the soy intervention
reported consuming about 3.7 shakes daily -- 74 percent of the
recommended amount -- while the 22 participants who completed the
milk-based intervention consumed about two shakes daily, as
recommended.

Both groups achieved weight loss over the three-month study period,
Anderson and Hole report in the Journal of the American College of
Nutrition. Weight loss amounted to about 8.5 percent of initial body
weight for all participants, and was not statistically different in the
two groups.

This weight loss was equivalent to, or greater than, what would have
been expected if they had participated in intensive behavioral
intervention, the researchers note. And, they add, it was also about
two times greater than the weight loss reported among individuals who
use weight loss medications.

Men and women who used the soy-based meal replacements had consistently
lower total cholesterol and LDL ("bad"😉 cholesterol levels than did
those who consumed the milk-based meal replacements, the report
indicates.

Further, the soy group experienced a reduction in their blood level of
triglycerides, while there was no change among those in the milk group.

"Soy protein is very effective at lowering cholesterol," Anderson said.
However, he added, "Since milk-based shakes are almost as effective for
weight loss and are better tolerated by many people, I let people make
their choice."

SOURCE: Journal of the American College of Nutrition, June 2005.

Nice piece of advertising. Gotta love these marketting researchers.

-------
James W. Anderson, University of Kentucky and the Veterans Affairs
Medical Center, Lexington. Research on the cholesterol-lowering effects
of psyllium funded by Procter & Gamble Company. (Am. J. Clin. Nutr.
2000;71:1433-8) Research on psyllium on glucose and serum lipid
responses in men with type 2 diabetes and hypercholesterolemia, funded
by Procter & Gamble Company. (Am. J. Clin. Nutr. 2000;70:466-73)
Research on the difference in cognitive development between breast-fed
and formula-fed children, funded by Martek Biosciences Corporation and
HCF Nutrition Foundation. (AM. J. Clin. Nutr. 2000;70:525- 35) Research
on using Orlistat for weight maintenance funded by F Hoffmann-La Roche.
(Am. J. Clin. Nutr. 1999;69:1108-16)Research on yogurt and cholesterol
supported by Campina Melkunie. (J. Am. Col. of Nutr. 1999;18:43-9)
Research on type 2 diabetes mellitus supported in part by Roche
Vitamins. (J. Amer. Coll. Nutr. 1999;18:451-61)
---------

Soy is not real food.

http://www.westonaprice.org/mythstruths/mtsoy.html
http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/complaints.html
http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/dangersisoflavones.html
http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/ploy.html
http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/soy_studies.html

TC

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

For people trying to lose weight, new research suggests that soy-based
liquid meal replacement shakes may be just as effective as intensive
behavioral therapy and more effective than weight loss medications.

"Using two meal replacements daily is one of the most effective ways of
losing weight on your own," study author Dr. James W. Anderson, of the
University of Kentucky told Reuters Health.

What's more, the benefits of soy-based meal replacements may extend
beyond trimming the waistline, the report indicates. It also appears to
help lower cholesterol and trigylceride levels.

I have found this to be the case. I lost 85 lbs on the diet and got
to goal weight 6 years ago. I went off the diet and have gained back
40, but went back on the diet two weeks ago and have already lost
6 lbs.

This is the best diet I have ever found. It is essentially an
Atkin's liquid diet. You have to stay away from carbs til
you get near goal weight, and as always the last few lbs
takes a bit of extra exercise to get off.

I would recommend this diet to anyone, so long as
you supplement with vitamins, and perhaps an amino
acid supplement daily.

Don Boring

I think much of what we hear about the "healthfulness" of soy is from
those with financial interests in the soy industry. A common lie is
that it is a significant part of asian diets. This is simply not true.
If man were "meant" to consume the stuff it wouldn't have to go
through all those processing steps to make it edible. The soy industry
could care less about your health. I prefer natural foods.

rr

Quoted message said:

Roger Rabbit said:

I tossed all my remaining soy milk in the best place possible. Down
the sink.

I can see it being contentious for babies and for women with certain
cancers, but it's not a "non" food. In moderation:

Ginger Zing

One litre soy milk (non-fat, plain, fortified with vits and calcium)
one pineapple, cut up for blender
one thumb size piece raw ginger, peeled and slivered
one-quarter teaspoon tumeric

Blend like mad. Makes four or five servings.

This, with a barley flour cranberry muffin (canola oil for the fat)
will make a nutritious high antioxidant, low-fat, high-protein,
cholesterol lowering breakfast.

Zee

Quoted message said:

rr

TC said:

Roman Bystrianyk wrote:
> Charnicia E. Huggins, "Soy-based shakes help lower weight,
> cholesterol", Reuters, June 16, 2005,
> Link:
> http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=healthNews&storyID=8814602
>
> For people trying to lose weight, new research suggests that soy-based
> liquid meal replacement shakes may be just as effective as intensive
> behavioral therapy and more effective than weight loss medications.
>
> "Using two meal replacements daily is one of the most effective ways of
> losing weight on your own," study author Dr. James W. Anderson, of the
> University of Kentucky told Reuters Health.
>
> What's more, the benefits of soy-based meal replacements may extend
> beyond trimming the waistline, the report indicates. It also appears to
> help lower cholesterol and trigylceride levels.
>
> "The bottom line is soy is healthy, and while incorporating it into
> weight loss may not have a more dramatic effect on your waistline than
> other nutrition plans, its benefits go beyond weight loss toward
> increasing overall health," Anderson said in a university statement.
>
> Obese individuals who follow very-low-energy diets have been shown to
> lose substantial amounts of weight and to maintain their weight loss.
> Further, recent interventions have shown that liquid meal replacements,
> or shakes, are also an effective means of weight loss and weight
> maintenance.
>
> Anderson, and co-author Dr. Lars H. Hole, of NutriPharma in Norway,
> compared a soy-based liquid meal replacement, licensed by NutriPharma,
> and a milk-based liquid meal replacement in a 12-week study of weight
> loss among overweight and obese men and women.
>
> Adults assigned to the soy group were instructed to consume five
> servings of Scan-Diet each day along with fruits and vegetables. Those
> assigned to the milk group were instructed to consume two servings of
> Slim-Fast each day along with fruits, vegetables and two servings of
> chicken breast, turkey or other lean meat.
>
> Study participants were also asked to keep a record of their compliance
> with the meal-replacements as well as their food intake and level of
> physical activity.
>
> Overall, the 30 participants who completed the soy intervention
> reported consuming about 3.7 shakes daily -- 74 percent of the
> recommended amount -- while the 22 participants who completed the
> milk-based intervention consumed about two shakes daily, as
> recommended.
>
> Both groups achieved weight loss over the three-month study period,
> Anderson and Hole report in the Journal of the American College of
> Nutrition. Weight loss amounted to about 8.5 percent of initial body
> weight for all participants, and was not statistically different in the
> two groups.
>
> This weight loss was equivalent to, or greater than, what would have
> been expected if they had participated in intensive behavioral
> intervention, the researchers note. And, they add, it was also about
> two times greater than the weight loss reported among individuals who
> use weight loss medications.
>
> Men and women who used the soy-based meal replacements had consistently
> lower total cholesterol and LDL ("bad"😉 cholesterol levels than did
> those who consumed the milk-based meal replacements, the report
> indicates.
>
> Further, the soy group experienced a reduction in their blood level of
> triglycerides, while there was no change among those in the milk group.
>
> "Soy protein is very effective at lowering cholesterol," Anderson said.
> However, he added, "Since milk-based shakes are almost as effective for
> weight loss and are better tolerated by many people, I let people make
> their choice."
>
> SOURCE: Journal of the American College of Nutrition, June 2005.

Nice piece of advertising. Gotta love these marketting researchers.

-------
James W. Anderson, University of Kentucky and the Veterans Affairs
Medical Center, Lexington. Research on the cholesterol-lowering effects
of psyllium funded by Procter & Gamble Company. (Am. J. Clin. Nutr.
2000;71:1433-8) Research on psyllium on glucose and serum lipid
responses in men with type 2 diabetes and hypercholesterolemia, funded
by Procter & Gamble Company. (Am. J. Clin. Nutr. 2000;70:466-73)
Research on the difference in cognitive development between breast-fed
and formula-fed children, funded by Martek Biosciences Corporation and
HCF Nutrition Foundation. (AM. J. Clin. Nutr. 2000;70:525- 35) Research
on using Orlistat for weight maintenance funded by F Hoffmann-La Roche.
(Am. J. Clin. Nutr. 1999;69:1108-16)Research on yogurt and cholesterol
supported by Campina Melkunie. (J. Am. Col. of Nutr. 1999;18:43-9)
Research on type 2 diabetes mellitus supported in part by Roche
Vitamins. (J. Amer. Coll. Nutr. 1999;18:451-61)
---------

Soy is not real food.

http://www.westonaprice.org/mythstruths/mtsoy.html
http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/complaints.html
http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/dangersisoflavones.html
http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/ploy.html
http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/soy_studies.html

TC

I prefer natural foods too but soy lowers cholesterol more safely (for
me, certainly) than drugs.

Soy is a bean. Beans are probably part of your diet. Don't you soak
them, cook them, add stuff, bake, mash, add more stuff? Well stop it.
You must eat your beans raw from now on. You may if you wish dry them.
But don't add water and reconstitute. Now you're getting into
processing.

Zee

Roger Rabbit said:

I think much of what we hear about the "healthfulness" of soy is from
those with financial interests in the soy industry. A common lie is
that it is a significant part of asian diets. This is simply not true.
If man were "meant" to consume the stuff it wouldn't have to go
through all those processing steps to make it edible. The soy industry
could care less about your health. I prefer natural foods.

rr

Quoted message said:

Roger Rabbit said:

I tossed all my remaining soy milk in the best place possible. Down
the sink.

I can see it being contentious for babies and for women with certain
cancers, but it's not a "non" food. In moderation:

Ginger Zing

One litre soy milk (non-fat, plain, fortified with vits and calcium)
one pineapple, cut up for blender
one thumb size piece raw ginger, peeled and slivered
one-quarter teaspoon tumeric

Blend like mad. Makes four or five servings.

This, with a barley flour cranberry muffin (canola oil for the fat)
will make a nutritious high antioxidant, low-fat, high-protein,
cholesterol lowering breakfast.

Zee

Quoted message said:

rr

On 17 Jun 2005 06:35:14 -0700, "TC" <[email hidden]> wrote:

>
>
>Roman Bystrianyk wrote:
>> Charnicia E. Huggins, "Soy-based shakes help lower weight,
>> cholesterol", Reuters, June 16, 2005,
>> Link:
>> http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=healthNews&storyID=8814602
>>
>> For people trying to lose weight, new research suggests that soy-based
>> liquid meal replacement shakes may be just as effective as intensive
>> behavioral therapy and more effective than weight loss medications.
>>
>> "Using two meal replacements daily is one of the most effective ways of
>> losing weight on your own," study author Dr. James W. Anderson, of the
>> University of Kentucky told Reuters Health.
>>
>> What's more, the benefits of soy-based meal replacements may extend
>> beyond trimming the waistline, the report indicates. It also appears to
>> help lower cholesterol and trigylceride levels.
>>
>> "The bottom line is soy is healthy, and while incorporating it into
>> weight loss may not have a more dramatic effect on your waistline than
>> other nutrition plans, its benefits go beyond weight loss toward
>> increasing overall health," Anderson said in a university statement.
>>
>> Obese individuals who follow very-low-energy diets have been shown to
>> lose substantial amounts of weight and to maintain their weight loss.
>> Further, recent interventions have shown that liquid meal replacements,
>> or shakes, are also an effective means of weight loss and weight
>> maintenance.
>>
>> Anderson, and co-author Dr. Lars H. Hole, of NutriPharma in Norway,
>> compared a soy-based liquid meal replacement, licensed by NutriPharma,
>> and a milk-based liquid meal replacement in a 12-week study of weight
>> loss among overweight and obese men and women.
>>
>> Adults assigned to the soy group were instructed to consume five
>> servings of Scan-Diet each day along with fruits and vegetables. Those
>> assigned to the milk group were instructed to consume two servings of
>> Slim-Fast each day along with fruits, vegetables and two servings of
>> chicken breast, turkey or other lean meat.
>>
>> Study participants were also asked to keep a record of their compliance
>> with the meal-replacements as well as their food intake and level of
>> physical activity.
>>
>> Overall, the 30 participants who completed the soy intervention
>> reported consuming about 3.7 shakes daily -- 74 percent of the
>> recommended amount -- while the 22 participants who completed the
>> milk-based intervention consumed about two shakes daily, as
>> recommended.
>>
>> Both groups achieved weight loss over the three-month study period,
>> Anderson and Hole report in the Journal of the American College of
>> Nutrition. Weight loss amounted to about 8.5 percent of initial body
>> weight for all participants, and was not statistically different in the
>> two groups.
>>
>> This weight loss was equivalent to, or greater than, what would have
>> been expected if they had participated in intensive behavioral
>> intervention, the researchers note. And, they add, it was also about
>> two times greater than the weight loss reported among individuals who
>> use weight loss medications.
>>
>> Men and women who used the soy-based meal replacements had consistently
>> lower total cholesterol and LDL ("bad"😉 cholesterol levels than did
>> those who consumed the milk-based meal replacements, the report
>> indicates.
>>
>> Further, the soy group experienced a reduction in their blood level of
>> triglycerides, while there was no change among those in the milk group.
>>
>> "Soy protein is very effective at lowering cholesterol," Anderson said.
>> However, he added, "Since milk-based shakes are almost as effective for
>> weight loss and are better tolerated by many people, I let people make
>> their choice."
>>
>> SOURCE: Journal of the American College of Nutrition, June 2005.
>
>Nice piece of advertising. Gotta love these marketting researchers.
>
>-------
>James W. Anderson, University of Kentucky and the Veterans Affairs
>Medical Center, Lexington. Research on the cholesterol-lowering effects
>of psyllium funded by Procter & Gamble Company. (Am. J. Clin. Nutr.
>2000;71:1433-8) Research on psyllium on glucose and serum lipid
>responses in men with type 2 diabetes and hypercholesterolemia, funded
>by Procter & Gamble Company. (Am. J. Clin. Nutr. 2000;70:466-73)
>Research on the difference in cognitive development between breast-fed
>and formula-fed children, funded by Martek Biosciences Corporation and
>HCF Nutrition Foundation. (AM. J. Clin. Nutr. 2000;70:525- 35) Research
>on using Orlistat for weight maintenance funded by F Hoffmann-La Roche.
>(Am. J. Clin. Nutr. 1999;69:1108-16)Research on yogurt and cholesterol
>supported by Campina Melkunie. (J. Am. Col. of Nutr. 1999;18:43-9)
>Research on type 2 diabetes mellitus supported in part by Roche
>Vitamins. (J. Amer. Coll. Nutr. 1999;18:451-61)
>---------
>
>Soy is not real food.
>
>http://www.westonaprice.org/mythstruths/mtsoy.html
>http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/complaints.html
>http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/dangersisoflavones.html
>http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/ploy.html
>http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/soy_studies.html
>
>TC

Roger Rabbit wrote:
:: I think much of what we hear about the "healthfulness" of soy is from
:: those with financial interests in the soy industry. A common lie is
:: that it is a significant part of asian diets. This is simply not
:: true. If man were "meant" to consume the stuff it wouldn't have to go
:: through all those processing steps to make it edible. The soy
:: industry could care less about your health. I prefer natural foods.
::
:: rr

Roger Rabbit, I think that you drew hasty conclusions from the Weston A.
Price site. Look at the Okinawan centenarian study and you'll find that soy
is very safe. The Okinawans eat *a lot* of soy -- more than rest of
Japanese -- and still they have got the longest life expectancy.

http://www.okinawaprogram.com/study.html

--
Juhana

Juhana Harju said:

Roger Rabbit wrote:
:: I think much of what we hear about the "healthfulness" of soy is from
:: those with financial interests in the soy industry. A common lie is
:: that it is a significant part of asian diets. This is simply not
:: true. If man were "meant" to consume the stuff it wouldn't have to go
:: through all those processing steps to make it edible. The soy
:: industry could care less about your health. I prefer natural foods.
::
:: rr

Roger Rabbit, I think that you drew hasty conclusions from the Weston A.
Price site. Look at the Okinawan centenarian study and you'll find that soy
is very safe. The Okinawans eat *a lot* of soy -- more than rest of
Japanese -- and still they have got the longest life expectancy.

http://www.okinawaprogram.com/study.html

--
Juhana

The soy they eat is not the same soy that is marketted to americans.
The okinawans eat properly fermented soy. American soy is not properly
fermented. And there are plenty of recent studies that dispute the
wisdom of consuming soy with its high levels of phyto-estrogens.

Chances are that they live long in spite of eating soy, not because of
it.

TC

TC wrote:
:: Juhana Harju wrote:
::: Roger Rabbit wrote:
::::: I think much of what we hear about the "healthfulness" of soy is
::::: from those with financial interests in the soy industry. A common
::::: lie is that it is a significant part of asian diets. This is
::::: simply not true. If man were "meant" to consume the stuff it
::::: wouldn't have to go through all those processing steps to make it
::::: edible. The soy industry could care less about your health. I
::::: prefer natural foods.
:::::
::::: rr
:::
::: Roger Rabbit, I think that you drew hasty conclusions from the
::: Weston A. Price site. Look at the Okinawan centenarian study and
::: you'll find that soy is very safe. The Okinawans eat *a lot* of soy
::: -- more than rest of Japanese -- and still they have got the
::: longest life expectancy.
:::
::: http://www.okinawaprogram.com/study.html
:::
::: --
::: Juhana
::
:: The soy they eat is not the same soy that is marketted to americans.
:: The okinawans eat properly fermented soy. American soy is not
:: properly fermented. And there are plenty of recent studies that
:: dispute the wisdom of consuming soy with its high levels of
:: phyto-estrogens.
::
:: Chances are that they live long in spite of eating soy, not because
:: of it.
::
:: TC

Well, if they have one of longest life expectancies the diet has to be close
to the ideal. And the centenarians consume a lot of soy, 11-12% of their
diet consists of different soy products (by weight). You can also buy
properly fermented soy, /tempeh/, in the Western countries, if that is the
problem.

--
Juhana

Quoted message said:

Rita said:

Quoted message said:

I prefer natural foods too but soy lowers cholesterol more safely (for
me, certainly) than drugs.

Soy is a bean. Beans are probably part of your diet. Don't you soak
them, cook them, add stuff, bake, mash, add more stuff? Well stop it.
You must eat your beans raw from now on. You may if you wish dry them.
But don't add water and reconstitute. Now you're getting into
processing.

Zee

There is nothing artifical about soy milk -- I've made it
myself in a special soy milk machine. I made it from aoy
beans and water. It is indeed a natural food.

Of course it is.

Zee

Quoted message said:

Tofu is soy milk curdled with nigari, a natural product.

Strychnine, cyanide and other poisons occur naturally in some edible
plants. You guys want to buy some for consumption?

TC

No Rhubarb Pie or Saskatoon Pie for you prairie boy.

Zee

TC said:

Quoted message said:

Rita said:

On 20 Jun 2005 11:57:39 -0700, [email hidden] wrote:

>I prefer natural foods too but soy lowers cholesterol more safely (for
>me, certainly) than drugs.
>
>Soy is a bean. Beans are probably part of your diet. Don't you soak
>them, cook them, add stuff, bake, mash, add more stuff? Well stop it.
>You must eat your beans raw from now on. You may if you wish dry them.
>But don't add water and reconstitute. Now you're getting into
>processing.
>
>Zee
>
There is nothing artifical about soy milk -- I've made it
myself in a special soy milk machine. I made it from aoy
beans and water. It is indeed a natural food.

Of course it is.

Zee

Quoted message said:

Tofu is soy milk curdled with nigari, a natural product.

Strychnine, cyanide and other poisons occur naturally in some edible
plants. You guys want to buy some for consumption?

TC

Its the pork that does it! ;o)

That and low-stress living.

rr

TC said:

Juhana Harju said:

Roger Rabbit wrote:
:: I think much of what we hear about the "healthfulness" of soy is from
:: those with financial interests in the soy industry. A common lie is
:: that it is a significant part of asian diets. This is simply not
:: true. If man were "meant" to consume the stuff it wouldn't have to go
:: through all those processing steps to make it edible. The soy
:: industry could care less about your health. I prefer natural foods.
::
:: rr

Roger Rabbit, I think that you drew hasty conclusions from the Weston A.
Price site. Look at the Okinawan centenarian study and you'll find that soy
is very safe. The Okinawans eat *a lot* of soy -- more than rest of
Japanese -- and still they have got the longest life expectancy.

http://www.okinawaprogram.com/study.html

--
Juhana

The soy they eat is not the same soy that is marketted to americans.
The okinawans eat properly fermented soy. American soy is not properly
fermented. And there are plenty of recent studies that dispute the
wisdom of consuming soy with its high levels of phyto-estrogens.

Chances are that they live long in spite of eating soy, not because of
it.

TC

Juhana Harju said:

Roger Rabbit wrote:
:: I think much of what we hear about the "healthfulness" of soy is from
:: those with financial interests in the soy industry. A common lie is
:: that it is a significant part of asian diets. This is simply not
:: true. If man were "meant" to consume the stuff it wouldn't have to go
:: through all those processing steps to make it edible. The soy
:: industry could care less about your health. I prefer natural foods.
::
:: rr

Roger Rabbit, I think that you drew hasty conclusions from the Weston A.
Price site. Look at the Okinawan centenarian study and you'll find that soy
is very safe. The Okinawans eat *a lot* of soy -- more than rest of
Japanese -- and still they have got the longest life expectancy.

http://www.okinawaprogram.com/study.html

I didn't get my information from the site you mentioned. The amount of
soy eaten by Asians as a group is grossly exaggerated and, as TC
points out, it is not the same kind of soy product. The soy industry
wants you believe this [censored] because its good for business. One of the
most commonly consumed soy products in the Western world is soy milk,
not fermented soy. The Okinawans eat pork, fish, seafood, vegetables
and rice.

As far as longevity is concerned, here is an excerpt from your link:

"Elderly Okinawans were found to have impressively young, clean
arteries, low cholesterol, and low homocysteine levels when compared
to Westerners. These factors help reduce their risk for coronary heart
disease by up to 80% and keep stroke levels low. Their healthy
arteries are mostly due to their lifestyle; diet, regular exercise,
moderate alcohol use, avoidance of smoking, blood pressure control,
and a stress-minimizing psycho spiritual outlook."

Their amazing health is due to many factors as stated above. You are
implying that they eat soy and enjoy long healthy lives therefore the
soy must be responsible and that it is safe for consumption in the
West. Again, we're not talking about the same soy products here in
North America.

By the way, at the link you provided they do mention soy consumption
by women. They do not go into details about the type of soy foods
eaten. The Asian population, as a whole, (not just Okinawa) consumes
very little soy compared to the other components of their diet.

rr

Juhana Harju said:

:: Chances are that they live long in spite of eating soy, not because
:: of it.
::
:: TC

Well, if they have one of longest life expectancies the diet has to be close
to the ideal. And the centenarians consume a lot of soy, 11-12% of their
diet consists of different soy products (by weight). You can also buy
properly fermented soy, /tempeh/, in the Western countries, if that is the
problem.

As I mentioned in my response to you, their longevity is due to many
factors. Diet is simply one component of a healthy lifestyle. In
centenarian studies they have found that there are people that drink
or smoke, eat a meat and potatoes diet, were vegetarians, eat low fat,
high fat, etc. In other words they were all over the map when it came
to lifestyle habits. There were a few commonalities however. I think
stress (lack of) was one of them.

rr

Quoted message said:

I prefer natural foods too but soy lowers cholesterol more safely (for
me, certainly) than drugs.

Soy is a bean. Beans are probably part of your diet. Don't you soak
them, cook them, add stuff, bake, mash, add more stuff? Well stop it.
You must eat your beans raw from now on. You may if you wish dry them.
But don't add water and reconstitute. Now you're getting into
processing.

Zee

LOL. You'd probably consider a chimpanzee cracking open a nut to be
processing. Actually, beans would not have been part of our diet until
about 10,000 years ago. By natural I mean fruits, veggies and fresh
meats.

rr

Roger Rabbit wrote:
:: On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:59:29 +0300, "Juhana Harju"
:: <[email hidden]> wrote:
::
::: Roger Rabbit wrote:
::::: I think much of what we hear about the "healthfulness" of soy is
::::: from those with financial interests in the soy industry. A common
::::: lie is that it is a significant part of asian diets. This is
::::: simply not true. If man were "meant" to consume the stuff it
::::: wouldn't have to go through all those processing steps to make it
::::: edible. The soy industry could care less about your health. I
::::: prefer natural foods.
:::::
::::: rr
:::
::: Roger Rabbit, I think that you drew hasty conclusions from the
::: Weston A. Price site. Look at the Okinawan centenarian study and
::: you'll find that soy is very safe. The Okinawans eat *a lot* of soy
::: -- more than rest of Japanese -- and still they have got the
::: longest life expectancy.
:::
::: http://www.okinawaprogram.com/study.html
::
:: I didn't get my information from the site you mentioned. The amount
:: of soy eaten by Asians as a group is grossly exaggerated and, as TC
:: points out, it is not the same kind of soy product. The soy industry
:: wants you believe this [censored] because its good for business. One of the
:: most commonly consumed soy products in the Western world is soy milk,
:: not fermented soy. The Okinawans eat pork, fish, seafood, vegetables
:: and rice.
::
:: As far as longevity is concerned, here is an excerpt from your link:
::
:: "Elderly Okinawans were found to have impressively young, clean
:: arteries, low cholesterol, and low homocysteine levels when compared
:: to Westerners. These factors help reduce their risk for coronary
:: heart disease by up to 80% and keep stroke levels low. Their healthy
:: arteries are mostly due to their lifestyle; diet, regular exercise,
:: moderate alcohol use, avoidance of smoking, blood pressure control,
:: and a stress-minimizing psycho spiritual outlook."
::
:: Their amazing health is due to many factors as stated above. You are
:: implying that they eat soy and enjoy long healthy lives therefore the
:: soy must be responsible and that it is safe for consumption in the
:: West. Again, we're not talking about the same soy products here in
:: North America.
::
:: By the way, at the link you provided they do mention soy consumption
:: by women. They do not go into details about the type of soy foods
:: eaten. The Asian population, as a whole, (not just Okinawa) consumes
:: very little soy compared to the other components of their diet.

I have read The Okinawa Program book written by the Okinawan centenarian
study researchers (Willcox, Willcox & Suzuki). The book is based on those
studies. They know what the diet of the Okinawan centenarians looks like.
These Okinawan centerians eat less than *2*% meat, eggs and dairy daily
(pork is consumed mainly in festivities) - very little. Tofu and fish each
account 11-12% of the diet. These amounts are by weight. Read the book and
you'll know more.

--
Juhana

Roger Rabbit said:

Quoted message said:

I prefer natural foods too but soy lowers cholesterol more safely (for
me, certainly) than drugs.

Soy is a bean. Beans are probably part of your diet. Don't you soak
them, cook them, add stuff, bake, mash, add more stuff? Well stop it.
You must eat your beans raw from now on. You may if you wish dry them.
But don't add water and reconstitute. Now you're getting into
processing.

Zee

LOL. You'd probably consider a chimpanzee cracking open a nut to be
processing. Actually, beans would not have been part of our diet until
about 10,000 years ago. By natural I mean fruits, veggies and fresh
meats.

rr

You're right: prior to 10,000 years ago my people ate your people.

Zee

And vice versa. ;oP
rr

Quoted message said:

Roger Rabbit said:

Quoted message said:

I prefer natural foods too but soy lowers cholesterol more safely (for
me, certainly) than drugs.

Soy is a bean. Beans are probably part of your diet. Don't you soak
them, cook them, add stuff, bake, mash, add more stuff? Well stop it.
You must eat your beans raw from now on. You may if you wish dry them.
But don't add water and reconstitute. Now you're getting into
processing.

Zee

LOL. You'd probably consider a chimpanzee cracking open a nut to be
processing. Actually, beans would not have been part of our diet until
about 10,000 years ago. By natural I mean fruits, veggies and fresh
meats.

rr

You're right: prior to 10,000 years ago my people ate your people.

Zee