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  1. Does the following quote sound familiar? It's from a speech by Michael
    Crichton. You can read the whole thing at
    http://www.crichton-official.com/speeches/speeches_quote05.html

    "Most of us have had some experience interacting with religious
    fundamentalists, and we understand that one of the problems with
    fundamentalists is that they have no perspective on themselves. They
    never recognize that their way of thinking is just one of many other
    possible ways of thinking, which may be equally useful or good. On the
    contrary, they believe their way is the right way, everyone else is
    wrong; they are in the business of salvation, and they want to help
    you to see things the right way. They want to help you be saved. They
    are totally rigid and totally uninterested in opposing points of view.
    In our modern complex world, fundamentalism is dangerous because of
    its rigidity and its imperviousness to other ideas".

    --
    Peter Bowditch
    The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
    The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
    and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and C-Q10 http://www.ratbags.com/loon
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  2. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Sound familiar?
    From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
    Date: 12/14/2003 2:57 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Does the following quote sound familiar? It's from a speech by Michael
    Crichton.

    Yes, it sounds familiar, It is repeated by atheists.

    In your case, it was posted because you have lied and been caught and you know
    it.

    Always trying to pass the buck.

    Best to deal with it rather than blame those who destest lying.

    Years ago, they crucified a man who told it like it was, he just happened to be
    God's son.

    Telling it like it is, is still being rejected.

    Jan

  3. "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Sound familiar?
    From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
    Date: 12/14/2003 2:57 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Does the following quote sound familiar? It's from a speech by Michael
    Crichton.

    Yes, it sounds familiar, It is repeated by atheists.

    Actually, as an atheist, I don't have a dog in that fight. --Rich

    Quoted message said:


    . . .because you have lied. . . $ KaChing $12

    Jan

  4. (Jan) said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Sound familiar?
    From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
    Date: 12/14/2003 2:57 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Does the following quote sound familiar? It's from a speech by Michael
    Crichton.

    I will restore the quote and URL which Jan snipped (without mentioning
    it, need I say?)

    You can read the whole thing at
    http://www.crichton-official.com/speeches/speeches_quote05.html

    "Most of us have had some experience interacting with religious
    fundamentalists, and we understand that one of the problems with
    fundamentalists is that they have no perspective on themselves. They
    never recognize that their way of thinking is just one of many other
    possible ways of thinking, which may be equally useful or good. On the
    contrary, they believe their way is the right way, everyone else is
    wrong; they are in the business of salvation, and they want to help
    you to see things the right way. They want to help you be saved. They
    are totally rigid and totally uninterested in opposing points of view.
    In our modern complex world, fundamentalism is dangerous because of
    its rigidity and its imperviousness to other ideas".

    Quoted message said:

    Yes, it sounds familiar, It is repeated by atheists.

    Crichton only said it in September and I haven't been following who
    repeated it, so I don't know if Jan is correct or not in her assertion
    about the actions of atheists. The passage itself says nothing about
    whether there is a god or not, so it has nothing to do with atheism

    Quoted message said:

    In your case, it was posted because you have lied and been caught and you know
    it.

    I posted it because I think that it describes AltThink. Crichton was
    talking about environmentalists. There is no need to rake over my lack
    of lying again.

    Jan may be prejudiced against anything that Michael Crichton says
    simply because his best known works are Jurassic Park and the TV
    series ER. As a creationist she probably rejects the concept of
    dinosaurs, and her opinions about doctors are well known. These facts
    may have induced a case of Barrett Syndrome, where everything that
    someone says is rejected because some of it is.

    Quoted message said:

    Always trying to pass the buck.

    Best to deal with it rather than blame those who destest lying.

    Years ago, they crucified a man who told it like it was, he just happened to be
    God's son.

    He was Jewish, too, I'm told.

    Quoted message said:

    Telling it like it is, is still being rejected.

    Yes, we see it every time some truth is presented to you.

    Quoted message said:

    Jan

    --
    Peter Bowditch
    The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
    The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
    and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and C-Q10 http://www.ratbags.com/loon
    To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

  5. "Jan" <[email hidden]>

    Gee Jan, why did you assume this was directed at you?

    I think Baptists as well as atheists have published opinions regarding
    Michael Crichton.

    carabelli

  6. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Sound familiar?
    From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
    Date: 12/14/2003 5:21 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    (Jan) said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Sound familiar?
    From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
    Date: 12/14/2003 2:57 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Does the following quote sound familiar? It's from a speech by Michael
    Crichton.

    I will restore the quote and URL which Jan snipped (without mentioning
    it, need I say?)

    You can read the whole thing at
    http://www.crichton-official.com/speeches/speeches_quote05.html

    "Most of us have had some experience interacting with religious
    fundamentalists, and we understand that one of the problems with
    fundamentalists is that they have no perspective on themselves. They
    never recognize that their way of thinking is just one of many other
    possible ways of thinking, which may be equally useful or good. On the
    contrary, they believe their way is the right way, everyone else is
    wrong; they are in the business of salvation, and they want to help
    you to see things the right way. They want to help you be saved. They
    are totally rigid and totally uninterested in opposing points of view.
    In our modern complex world, fundamentalism is dangerous because of
    its rigidity and its imperviousness to other ideas".

    Quoted message said:

    Yes, it sounds familiar, It is repeated by atheists.

    Crichton only said it in September and I haven't been following who
    repeated it, so I don't know if Jan is correct or not in her assertion
    about the actions of atheists.

    I see you are lying again, as the atheists here have said the same things.

    Along with the other debunkers, and those of pugnacious tendencies.

    Quoted message said:

    The passage itself says nothing about
    whether there is a god or not, so it has nothing to do with atheism

    Wrong. It is exact atheist mumbo jumbo. They don't just talk about there being
    no God, they have a need to belittle others.

    They call those who try to obey God, *rigid*

    They don't want to have to follow any rules as they think they are
    *enlightened* and *they* are smarter than God. Therefore they falsely believe
    *they* can make the rules.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    In your case, it was posted because you have lied and been caught and you


    know

    Quoted message said:

    it.

    Quoted message said:


    I posted it because I think that it describes AltThink. Crichton was
    talking about environmentalists. There is no need to rake over my lack
    of lying again.

    You have no lack of lying and we all know EXACTLY why you posted it. Your title
    is a dead give away and right now you just lied through you teeth again.

    Quoted message said:

    Jan may be prejudiced against anything that Michael Crichton says
    simply because his best known works are Jurassic Park and the TV
    series ER

    LOL.. I don't watch ER and I have never heard of Michael Crichton.

    You *guesses* are wrong, as usual.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Always trying to pass the buck.

    Best to deal with it rather than blame those who destest lying.

    Years ago, they crucified a man who told it like it was, he just happened to


    be

    Quoted message said:

    God's son.

    Quoted message said:

    He was Jewish, too, I'm told.

    That's correct. Why mention it?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Telling it like it is, is still being rejected.

    Quoted message said:

    Yes, we see it every time some truth is presented to you.

    Quite the opposite. You lie, I call your hand.

    I ask you to prove you lies, you can't.

    Jan

  7. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Sound familiar?
    From: "carabelli" [email hidden]
    Date: 12/14/2003 5:29 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    "Jan" <[email hidden]>

    Gee Jan, why did you assume this was directed at you?

    Gee, Dan. I see you are still cyberstalking. If you have to ask questions, you
    are in the dark.

    Quoted message said:

    I think Baptists as well as atheists have published opinions regarding
    Michael Crichton.

    This had nothing whatsoever to do with any opinion of Michael Crichton, the
    man.

    Now, kindly get lost as this will be my last post to you on this ng.

    Get over your resentments because you couldn't answer my questions, and then
    lied about it.

    Jan

  8. "Jan" <[email hidden]>...........

    Quoted message said:

    Now, kindly get lost as this will be my last post to you on this ng.

    Great, a free pass!!

    carabelli

  9. carabelli said:


    "Jan" <[email hidden]>...........

    Quoted message said:

    Now, kindly get lost as this will be my last post to you on this ng.

    Great, a free pass!!

    Let's see how long this lasts. Jan will again prove that she lies.
    Any bets on how long it will take before she replies to you?? In any
    case the way that Jan will reply to you is to wait until anyone
    responds to a post of yours and then to launch an attack. Just watch.

    Also note how Jan tries to control who posts in this newsgroup. If
    anyone should get lost it is Jan who is completely incapable of
    discussing in a civil manner anything that disagrees with her POV. All
    she knows how to do is belittle and bear false witness against others
    in order to discredit them. Sad that.

    Aloha,
    Rich

    Quoted message said:


    carabelli

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    The best defense to logic is ignorance.

  10. "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    I see you are lying again, as the atheists here have said the same things.

    What atheists? Certainly not I, and I am by far the most vocal of the
    atheists here.

    Quoted message said:


    You have no lack of lying. . .

    you just lied through you teeth again.

    You lie, I call your hand.

    I ask you to prove you lies, you can't.

    Jan

    $ KaChing $14

  11. "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Jan may be prejudiced against anything that Michael Crichton says
    simply because his best known works are Jurassic Park and the TV
    series ER

    LOL.. I don't watch ER and I have never heard of Michael Crichton.

    ER has some useful medical information from time to time.

    And, Michael writes books. Sorry that you cannot read them.

  12. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Marciosos5 Probertiosos5 said:


    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Jan may be prejudiced against anything that Michael Crichton says
    simply because his best known works are Jurassic Park and the TV
    series ER

    LOL.. I don't watch ER and I have never heard of Michael Crichton.

    ER has some useful medical information from time to time.

    And, Michael writes books. Sorry that you cannot read them.

    It's hard for me to believe she's never heard of Jurassic Park, for
    one thing.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  13. On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:50:47 GMT, [email hidden] (David

    Wright) said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Marciosos5 Probertiosos5 said:


    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    >Jan may be prejudiced against anything that Michael Crichton says
    >simply because his best known works are Jurassic Park and the TV
    >series ER

    LOL.. I don't watch ER and I have never heard of Michael Crichton.

    ER has some useful medical information from time to time.

    And, Michael writes books. Sorry that you cannot read them.

    It's hard for me to believe she's never heard of Jurassic Park, for
    one thing.

    Cue Jan to call David a liar because she will claim that she never
    said she never heard of Jurassic Park although seemed to imply that
    assertion.

    Aloha,

    Rich

    Quoted message said:


    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

    ------------------------------------------------
    ------------------------------------------------

    The best defense to logic is ignorance.

  14. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Sound familiar?
    From: [email hidden] (David Wright)
    Date: 12/15/2003 10:50 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Marciosos5 Probertiosos5 said:


    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    >Jan may be prejudiced against anything that Michael Crichton says
    >simply because his best known works are Jurassic Park and the TV
    >series ER

    LOL.. I don't watch ER and I have never heard of Michael Crichton.

    ER has some useful medical information from time to time.

    And, Michael writes books. Sorry that you cannot read them.

    It's hard for me to believe she's never heard of Jurassic Park, for
    one thing.

    I didn't mention Jurassic Park.

    Jan

  15. (Jan) said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Sound familiar?
    From: [email hidden] (David Wright)
    Date: 12/15/2003 10:50 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Marciosos5 Probertiosos5 said:


    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    > >Jan may be prejudiced against anything that Michael Crichton says
    > >simply because his best known works are Jurassic Park and the TV
    > >series ER
    >
    > LOL.. I don't watch ER and I have never heard of Michael Crichton.

    ER has some useful medical information from time to time.

    And, Michael writes books. Sorry that you cannot read them.

    It's hard for me to believe she's never heard of Jurassic Park, for
    one thing.

    I didn't mention Jurassic Park.

    Jan

    She didn't mention what I really said, either. Here is the full quote:

    Jan may be prejudiced against anything that Michael Crichton says
    simply because his best known works are Jurassic Park and the TV
    series ER. As a creationist she probably rejects the concept of
    dinosaurs, and her opinions about doctors are well known. These facts
    may have induced a case of Barrett Syndrome, where everything that
    someone says is rejected because some of it is.

    --
    Peter Bowditch
    The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
    The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
    and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and C-Q10 http://www.ratbags.com/loon
    To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

  16. "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Marciosos5 Probertiosos5 said:


    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    >Jan may be prejudiced against anything that Michael Crichton says
    >simply because his best known works are Jurassic Park and the TV
    >series ER

    LOL.. I don't watch ER and I have never heard of Michael Crichton.

    ER has some useful medical information from time to time.

    And, Michael writes books. Sorry that you cannot read them.

    It's hard for me to believe she's never heard of Jurassic Park, for
    one thing.

    Jan was born around that time (Jurassic Period).

  17. Marciosos5 Probertiosos5 said:
    Quoted message said:

    It's hard for me to believe she's never heard of Jurassic Park, for
    one thing.

    Jan was born around that time (Jurassic Period).

    Thought it was the Cretinaceous Period.
    --

    Take out the G'RBAGE to reply
    [email hidden]

  18. (Jan) said:

    Years ago, they crucified a man who told it like it was, he just happened to be
    God's son.

    That is religious insanity.

    Regards,

    Aribert Deckers
    --
    World Conference
    "Health Care Systems: Public and Private Management"

    http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_p0.htm

  19. Well Peter,
    I suggest that instead of vomiting on Hulda's doorstep and having coffee
    with Tim in his ultra small mailbox, that you take the opportunity of
    exploring North America for some of the answers.
    Please take the road north along the Californian coast and visit the
    Redwoods, then visit Washington State and head for Vancouver. Visit Victoria
    and then proceed to Whistler, Lillioet and Kamloops. Head North to Mt
    Robinson and then Jasper and Banff, then go to the International Peace Park
    in Alberta and Montana, Do the Road to the Sun trip and then head towards
    Wyoming and Yellowstone National Park. Call in at Thermopolis and after that
    call in at Salt Lake City and catch the Sunday Tabernacle Choir.

    If after all that you can honestly state that you still remain an atheist
    then "God Bless You."

    Rod

    "Peter Bowditch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Does the following quote sound familiar? It's from a speech by Michael
    Crichton. You can read the whole thing at
    http://www.crichton-official.com/speeches/speeches_quote05.html

    "Most of us have had some experience interacting with religious
    fundamentalists, and we understand that one of the problems with
    fundamentalists is that they have no perspective on themselves. They
    never recognize that their way of thinking is just one of many otherWell


    Peter,

    Quoted message said:

    possible ways of thinking, which may be equally useful or good. On the
    contrary, they believe their way is the right way, everyone else is
    wrong; they are in the business of salvation, and they want to help
    you to see things the right way. They want to help you be saved. They
    are totally rigid and totally uninterested in opposing points of view.
    In our modern complex world, fundamentalism is dangerous because of
    its rigidity and its imperviousness to other ideas".

    --
    Peter Bowditch
    The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
    The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
    and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and


    C-Q10 http://www.ratbags.com/loon

    Quoted message said:

    To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

  20. Pervert!

    "Rod" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Well Peter,
    I suggest that instead of vomiting on Hulda's doorstep and having coffee
    with Tim in his ultra small mailbox, that you take the opportunity of
    exploring North America for some of the answers.
    Please take the road north along the Californian coast and visit the
    Redwoods, then visit Washington State and head for Vancouver. Visit


    Victoria

    Quoted message said:

    and then proceed to Whistler, Lillioet and Kamloops. Head North to Mt
    Robinson and then Jasper and Banff, then go to the International Peace


    Park

    Quoted message said:

    in Alberta and Montana, Do the Road to the Sun trip and then head towards
    Wyoming and Yellowstone National Park. Call in at Thermopolis and after


    that

    Quoted message said:

    call in at Salt Lake City and catch the Sunday Tabernacle Choir.

    If after all that you can honestly state that you still remain an atheist
    then "God Bless You."

    Rod

    "Peter Bowditch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Does the following quote sound familiar? It's from a speech by Michael
    Crichton. You can read the whole thing at
    http://www.crichton-official.com/speeches/speeches_quote05.html

    "Most of us have had some experience interacting with religious
    fundamentalists, and we understand that one of the problems with
    fundamentalists is that they have no perspective on themselves. They
    never recognize that their way of thinking is just one of many otherWell


    Peter,

    Quoted message said:

    possible ways of thinking, which may be equally useful or good. On the
    contrary, they believe their way is the right way, everyone else is
    wrong; they are in the business of salvation, and they want to help
    you to see things the right way. They want to help you be saved. They
    are totally rigid and totally uninterested in opposing points of view.
    In our modern complex world, fundamentalism is dangerous because of
    its rigidity and its imperviousness to other ideas".

    --
    Peter Bowditch
    The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
    The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
    and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and


    C-Q10 http://www.ratbags.com/loon

    Quoted message said:

    To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com


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