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  1. in message <[email hidden]>, dave

    (') said:
    Simon Brooke said:

    in message <[email hidden]>, dave

    (') said:

    Patrick Herring wrote:

    >dave <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >...
    >| When I was in england last.. sailing on the broads was one of the
    >| things
    >| I ´had´ to do. I was amazed to find not every english person
    >| knows
    >| how to sail sure as hell most Aussies do 🙂
    >
    >A lot of them haven't yet realised we're on an island...

    so are we 🙂

    >| Loved it. They were all
    >| smaller and shallower and lots safer than I expected but it was
    >| utter utter bliss to see all those childhood names
    >|
    >| One of the boatyards we went to had the yacht that starred as
    >| Teasel
    >
    >Last time I was there (Hunter's Yard, Womack) I asked about it and
    >they said they'd made just a transom to hang on the stern of whatever
    >boat was being filmed, I don't think there's an actual "and that one
    >was the Teasel". Sorry if that shatters your dreams <g>.

    No the story was (and it was hunters yard) that they had supplied the
    yacht that had stared as teasel (have no idea if it was theirs or not)
    and at one time had had the real teasel (called something else but
    actually the only yacht that Ransome had ever had built.. I think)

    By 'built' do you mean actually built with his own hands? If so you
    may be right (if he did this?) Teasel certainly wasn't the only - nor
    the first - yacht Ransome had had built for him. Racundra came a long
    time before Teasel (and there may have been others - I don't
    remember).

    I have the book RacundraÅ› first cruise somewhere.
    I may have confused the story. Teasel.. the real teasel was not called
    Teasel. She was Ransomes favourite yacht. ANd was a mid thirties
    english cruiser type.. something around 7 tons. And she was his
    favourite yacht. Teasel was somehow special to him I am certain of
    that. I thought it was that he had her built but maybe I have that
    bit
    wrong will investigate when sober 🙂

    The boat ('Goblin'?) which features in We Didn't Mean To Go To Sea is
    also modelled on a yacht of Ransome's, IIRC.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    'Victories are not solutions.'
    ;; John Hume, Northern Irish politician, on Radio Scotland 1/2/95
    ;; Nobel Peace Prize laureate 1998; few have deserved it so much

  2. Simon Brooke said:


    The boat ('Goblin'?) which features in We Didn't Mean To Go To Sea is
    also modelled on a yacht of Ransome's, IIRC.

    The answers can be found at
    http://www.arthur-ransome.org/ar/ARFAQs/05082011.html

    --
    Tony

    "I did make a mistake once - I thought I'd made a mistake but I hadn't"
    Anon

  3. Simon Brooke said:

    in message <[email hidden]>, dave

    (') said:
    Simon Brooke said:

    in message <[email hidden]>, dave
    ([email hidden]'😉 wrote:

    >Patrick Herring wrote:
    >
    >
    >>dave <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>...
    >>| When I was in england last.. sailing on the broads was one of the
    >>| things
    >>| I ´had´ to do. I was amazed to find not every english person
    >>| knows
    >>| how to sail sure as hell most Aussies do 🙂
    >>
    >>A lot of them haven't yet realised we're on an island...
    >
    >so are we 🙂
    >
    >
    >>| Loved it. They were all
    >>| smaller and shallower and lots safer than I expected but it was
    >>| utter utter bliss to see all those childhood names
    >>|
    >>| One of the boatyards we went to had the yacht that starred as
    >>| Teasel
    >>
    >>Last time I was there (Hunter's Yard, Womack) I asked about it and
    >>they said they'd made just a transom to hang on the stern of whatever
    >>boat was being filmed, I don't think there's an actual "and that one
    >>was the Teasel". Sorry if that shatters your dreams <g>.
    >
    >No the story was (and it was hunters yard) that they had supplied the
    >yacht that had stared as teasel (have no idea if it was theirs or not)
    >and at one time had had the real teasel (called something else but
    >actually the only yacht that Ransome had ever had built.. I think)

    By 'built' do you mean actually built with his own hands? If so you
    may be right (if he did this?) Teasel certainly wasn't the only - nor
    the first - yacht Ransome had had built for him. Racundra came a long
    time before Teasel (and there may have been others - I don't
    remember).

    I have the book RacundraÅ› first cruise somewhere.
    I may have confused the story. Teasel.. the real teasel was not called
    Teasel. She was Ransomes favourite yacht. ANd was a mid thirties
    english cruiser type.. something around 7 tons. And she was his
    favourite yacht. Teasel was somehow special to him I am certain of
    that. I thought it was that he had her built but maybe I have that
    bit
    wrong will investigate when sober 🙂

    The boat ('Goblin'?) which features in We Didn't Mean To Go To Sea is
    also modelled on a yacht of Ransome's, IIRC.

    ALso about a 7 ton yacht. About 33 foot and built to the english
    between the wars pattern. Lots still around I should think. A good
    boat to go to sea in actually.

    As I said will investigate when sober. Went to a funeral yesterday and
    spent about 8 hours in a car. Not at my best at the moment

  4. dave said:
    Simon Brooke said:

    The boat ('Goblin'?) which features in We Didn't Mean To Go To Sea is
    also modelled on a yacht of Ransome's, IIRC.

    ALso about a 7 ton yacht. About 33 foot and built to the english
    between the wars pattern. Lots still around I should think. A good
    boat to go to sea in actually.

    http://www.nancyblackett.org/

    --
    Tony

    "I did make a mistake once - I thought I'd made a mistake but I hadn't"
    Anon

  5. Tony Raven said:
    dave said:
    Simon Brooke said:

    The boat ('Goblin'?) which features in We Didn't Mean To Go To Sea is
    also modelled on a yacht of Ransome's, IIRC.

    ALso about a 7 ton yacht. About 33 foot and built to the english
    between the wars pattern. Lots still around I should think. A good
    boat to go to sea in actually.

    http://www.nancyblackett.org/

    Yep thats her. Closer to 30 foot I see. A hell of a lot heavier than
    our old (long gone) 33 footer Rebel.

    That Ellen is a star hey?

  6. Simon Brooke said:

    in message <[email hidden]>, David

    Martin (') said:

    The thing that got me was how suddenly Snape turned. There is cleary a
    counterplay between HP and Snape

    Hmm. I don't think Snape has turned. I think JKR's doing the same as
    she did with Sirius Black originally. Viewed from one side the events
    look like he's badder than bad but viewed from another ... My theory
    is that Snape promised Dumbledore to kill him rather than let him be
    subject to an Imperius Curse. Snape could make the Unbreakable Vow
    with Narcissa because he was only promising what he had already
    promised Dumbledore, and at the end Dumbeldore was pleading with Snape
    to kill him, not pleading for mercy.

    That's my theory anyways ...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Neville. After all there were two candidate babies to destroy HWSNBN,
    Harry and Neville and all the focus is on Harry but Neville never
    leaves the stage.

    I hope that's true, I would love it if Neville defeated Voldemort and
    got the girl at the end of it all.

  7. "audrey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hmm. I don't think Snape has turned.

    <etc>

    Oi - that's my theory. With the additional question of has D used a horcrux?

    cheers,
    clive

  8. in message <[email hidden]>, audrey

    (') said:
    Simon Brooke said:

    in message <[email hidden]>,

    David Martin (') said:

    The thing that got me was how suddenly Snape turned. There is cleary
    a counterplay between HP and Snape

    Hmm. I don't think Snape has turned. I think JKR's doing the same as
    she did with Sirius Black originally. Viewed from one side the events
    look like he's badder than bad but viewed from another ... My theory
    is that Snape promised Dumbledore to kill him rather than let him be
    subject to an Imperius Curse. Snape could make the Unbreakable Vow
    with Narcissa because he was only promising what he had already
    promised Dumbledore, and at the end Dumbeldore was pleading with Snape
    to kill him, not pleading for mercy.

    That's my theory anyways ...

    I don't agree with you, but I have to say Someone Else in this household
    does, and we have debated it at length. I agree that it would be a
    Rowlingesque narrative device, but I think that one is a step too far.
    Malfoy, on the other had, I do suspect of being about to shift
    allegiance.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    Age equals angst multiplied by the speed of fright squared.
    ;; the Worlock

  9. in message <[email hidden]>, Clive

    George (') said:

    "audrey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hmm. I don't think Snape has turned.

    <etc>

    Oi - that's my theory. With the additional question of has D used a
    horcrux?

    No.

    On the evidence we have so far, you have to commit an act of significant
    evil to create a horcrux. Of course, there might be another way, but
    Rowling is normally scrupulously fair in making sure you have all the
    evidence available to unravel her plots, so I should be very surprised.
    D's death may of course have been faked, but again I don't think so, if
    only because of the portrait. I think D. is irrevocably dead.

    Meantime, who is RAB?

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    Anagram: I'm soon broke.

  10. "Simon Brooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On the evidence we have so far, you have to commit an act of significant
    evil to create a horcrux. Of course, there might be another way, but
    Rowling is normally scrupulously fair in making sure you have all the
    evidence available to unravel her plots, so I should be very surprised.
    D's death may of course have been faked, but again I don't think so, if
    only because of the portrait. I think D. is irrevocably dead.

    I think so too, but I thought it was worth mentioning.

    Quoted message said:

    Meantime, who is RAB?

    That one's easy. Do you want a clue?

    cheers,
    clive

  11. Simon Brooke said:

    On the evidence we have so far, you have to commit an act of significant
    evil to create a horcrux.

    I thought it was just a matter of committing murder, which causes the
    soul to be torn asunder. Which made me wonder what will happen to Harry
    if he kills Voldemort and/or Snape.

    --
    Danny Colyer (the UK company has been laughed out of my reply address)
    <URL:http://www.speedy5.freeserve.co.uk/danny/>
    "He who dares not offend cannot be honest." - Thomas Paine

  12. in message <[email hidden]>, Clive

    George (') said:

    "Simon Brooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On the evidence we have so far, you have to commit an act of
    significant evil to create a horcrux. Of course, there might be
    another way, but Rowling is normally scrupulously fair in making sure
    you have all the evidence available to unravel her plots, so I should
    be very surprised. D's death may of course have been faked, but again
    I don't think so, if only because of the portrait. I think D. is
    irrevocably dead.

    I think so too, but I thought it was worth mentioning.

    Quoted message said:

    Meantime, who is RAB?

    That one's easy. Do you want a clue?

    G'won then. Nearest I've got is Rachel Amelia Bones, but I don't _think_
    we've ever been told if Amelia Bones has another name. Also, if it's
    anyone who's even remotely on the side of the angels, why did D. not
    know?

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    A message from our sponsor: This site is now in free fall

  13. Simon Brooke said:

    in message <[email hidden]>, Clive

    George (') said:

    "audrey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hmm. I don't think Snape has turned.

    <etc>

    Oi - that's my theory. With the additional question of has D used a
    horcrux?

    No.

    On the evidence we have so far, you have to commit an act of significant
    evil to create a horcrux. Of course, there might be another way, but
    Rowling is normally scrupulously fair in making sure you have all the
    evidence available to unravel her plots, so I should be very surprised.
    D's death may of course have been faked, but again I don't think so, if
    only because of the portrait. I think D. is irrevocably dead.

    Meantime, who is RAB?

    Regulus Black.

    druidh

  14. "David Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    ....
    | I camped on an Island in a lake in Norway that was a tiny dead ringer
    | for Wild Cat Island. None of the scouts I was with had a clue what I
    | was on about.

    I'd be interested to know the location - I like collecting interesting
    reasons to go places, and "the fjords" is a bit vague. The Lakes Wild
    Cat Island isn't really big enough to camp on, it's the kind of place
    you see as a child and remember as much bigger than it really is. I
    expect Ransome combined several islands together.

    --
    Patrick Herring, http://www.anweald.co.uk/ph

  15. Patrick Herring said:

    "David Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    ...
    | I camped on an Island in a lake in Norway that was a tiny dead ringer
    | for Wild Cat Island. None of the scouts I was with had a clue what I
    | was on about.

    I'd be interested to know the location - I like collecting interesting
    reasons to go places, and "the fjords" is a bit vague. The Lakes Wild
    Cat Island isn't really big enough to camp on, it's the kind of place
    you see as a child and remember as much bigger than it really is. I
    expect Ransome combined several islands together.

    Oeyangen, at the northern edge of Nordmarka. Ideally you head to
    Ringkollen. go through the car park without turning up to the ski
    station, and carry on to the end of the road. Then take your canoe and
    paddle the 1km or so along the lake.

    About in the centre here:
    http://multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?client=public&X=1163000&Y=8399000&width=700&height=400&gride=&gridn=&srec=0&coordsys=mercator&db=NO&addr1=&addr2=&addr3=&pc=&advanced=&local=&localinfosel=&kw=&inmap=&table=&ovtype=&zm=0&scale=25000&multimap.x=333&multimap.y=156

    hmm...

    I always wanted to cycle out from Oslo to Ringkollen as the final part
    would have been a great climb.. 7km of switchbacks..

    ...d

  16. druidh <[email hidden]> wrote in news:RzQJe.85012$G8.65992
    @text.news.blueyonder.co.uk:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Meantime, who is RAB?

    Regulus Black.

    Nah, did D not make some comment about it not being possible for one person
    alone to get the horcrux from the island (as was evidenced by the actions
    they took)? Would that not point to it possibly being three different
    people? Though this would mean that there'd have to be some other get out
    clause for the three being able to travel in the boat though (similar to
    the one D & H used to travel together). Or maybe the used a similar
    technique to the fox/chicken/bag of grain river crossing puzzle?

    Graeme

  17. David Martin said:


    Oeyangen, at the northern edge of Nordmarka. Ideally you head to
    Ringkollen. go through the car park without turning up to the ski
    station, and carry on to the end of the road. Then take your canoe and
    paddle the 1km or so along the lake.

    I should have pointed out that there is about room for two or three
    small tents on the Island and not much else to do.

    ...d

  18. David Martin said:

    I should have pointed out that there is about room for two or three
    small tents on the Island and not much else to do.

    Not much else to...David! Why, there's drinking grog, climbing the
    lighthouse tree, diving for pearls, fishing for shark, meeting Man
    Friday, surviving the storm and waiting for the rescue party, repainting
    the leading lights, swimming round the island, plotting the attack on
    Captain Flint... not much else to do indeed.

    R.

  19. Richard said:
    David Martin said:

    I should have pointed out that there is about room for two or three
    small tents on the Island and not much else to do.

    Not much else to...David! Why, there's drinking grog, climbing the
    lighthouse tree, diving for pearls, fishing for shark, meeting Man
    Friday, surviving the storm and waiting for the rescue party, repainting
    the leading lights, swimming round the island, plotting the attack on
    Captain Flint... not much else to do indeed.

    R.

    BIG grin 🙂

  20. Richard said:
    David Martin said:

    I should have pointed out that there is about room for two or three
    small tents on the Island and not much else to do.

    Not much else to...David! Why, there's drinking grog, climbing the
    lighthouse tree, diving for pearls, fishing for shark, meeting Man
    Friday, surviving the storm and waiting for the rescue party, repainting
    the leading lights, swimming round the island, plotting the attack on
    Captain Flint... not much else to do indeed.

    But what do you do after lunch..?

    ...d

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