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  1. I went out today for a longish solo bimble around my
    favourite lanes (oh all right then, pubs). I noticed that
    during the day I passed from Warwickshire into
    Worcestershire and vica versa several times. Now, it
    occurred to me, at one off these crossings that as
    Borsetshire is mythically located between Warks and Worcs, I
    had also crossed that county several times - and at a speed
    somewhat in excess of the speed of light.

    Listen out for the sonic booms over Ambridge in tomorrow's
    Archers. That'll be me. :-)

    Er, actually, it wouldn't be a sonic boom would it? What's
    the light equivalent? Photic boom?

    --
    Cheerful Pedalling John Mallard

  2. John Mallard said:


    Er, actually, it wouldn't be a sonic boom would it? What's
    the light equivalent? Photic boom?

    Cherenkov Radiation

    Tony

  3. Tony Raven said:
    John Mallard said:


    Er, actually, it wouldn't be a sonic boom would it?
    What's the light equivalent? Photic boom?

    Cherenkov Radiation

    Blimey! What's that!?

    It's OK, I'm off to drop Cherenkov Radiation into Google (I
    may be some time)

    --
    Cheerful Pedalling John Mallard

  4. dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers said:
    Quoted message said:

    It's OK, I'm off to drop Cherenkov Radiation into Google

    You could set off a chain reaction if you do, one which
    could destroy the planet. Be careful!

    Ooh noo! ;-)

    --
    Cheerful Pedalling John Mallard

  5. In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    It's OK, I'm off to drop Cherenkov Radiation into Google

    You could set off a chain reaction if you do, one which
    could destroy the planet. Be careful!


    I think your theory is the work of a crank!

  6. dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers said:
    Quoted message said:

    I think your theory is the work of a crank!

    harumph! I only pedal legitimate science! You deserve a
    spoke in the eye for that!

    Get out your chain whip and give him some wheels ;-)

    Tony

  7. John Mallard said:

    Er, actually, it wouldn't be a sonic boom would it? What's
    the light equivalent? Photic boom?


    There is an equivalent to a sonic boom. When a particle goes
    faster than the speed of light in a certain medium,
    Cherenkov radiation is emitted.

    No, that's not a nonsense statement. The speed of light in a
    vacuum is an absolute limit. In matter, such as water or
    glass or air, light travels more slowly. This slowing down
    factor is the index of refraction. Now, if a particle is
    emitted by (say) a radioactive source or a collision at a
    particle accelerator and enters the medium going faster than
    the speed of light in that medium, light is given off as a
    sort of shock wave. That is the source of the blue glow
    which film makers love when showing shots of nuclear reactor
    cooling ponds.

    Cherenkov radiation is also used as an important detection
    technique in particle physics. The angle of the cherenkov
    cone gives information on the velocity.

    See: math.ucr.eduSpeed
    OfLight/cherenkov.html
    rkb.home.cern.chnode26.html

    You would have to cycle very fast though.

  8. "Tony Raven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    John Mallard said:


    Er, actually, it wouldn't be a sonic boom would it?
    What's the light equivalent? Photic boom?

    Cherenkov Radiation

    That's given off when light "slows down" isn't it, from a
    "faster" medium to a "slower" one?

    --
    Simon M.

  9. mae <[email hidden]> wedi ysgrifennu:

    Quoted message said:
    Simon Mason said:


    Quoted message said:

    John Mallard wrote:
    >
    > Er, actually, it wouldn't be a sonic boom would it?
    > What's the light equivalent? Photic boom?

    Cherenkov Radiation

    That's given off when light "slows down" isn't it, from
    a "faster" medium to a "slower" one?


    Not meaning to be rude, but not quite. when light enters a
    medium which is "slower" - ie. there is a higher index of
    refraction, it bends. That's how lenses work. The bend is
    given by Snells' Law.

    Lynda or Robert???

    --
    Rob

    Please keep conversations in the newsgroup so that all may
    contribute and benefit.

  10. "John Hearns" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Simon Mason said:


    Quoted message said:

    John Mallard wrote:
    >
    > Er, actually, it wouldn't be a sonic boom would it?
    > What's the light equivalent? Photic boom?

    Cherenkov Radiation

    That's given off when light "slows down" isn't it, from
    a "faster"


    medium

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to a "slower" one?


    Not meaning to be rude, but not quite. when light enters a
    medium which is "slower" - ie. there is a higher index of
    refraction, it bends. That's how lenses work. The bend is
    given by Snells' Law. Also, the bend is the exact right
    size to minimise the total time taken to go from start to
    end through both medium. This is known as the "Principle
    of Least Time". I Trust you are all enjoying this
    morning's physics tutorial?

    Indeed I am. So when I am measuring the Refractive Index of
    a chemical in our lab at BP, like I have done for the past
    30 years, I can now finally understand what I've been doing
    all this time. Thanks ;-)

    Now if you can explain in layman's terms how our
    Inductively Coupled Plasma Emission Spectrophotometer
    works, when I measure the Iridium content of a substance
    I'll be a happy man ;-)
    --
    Simon M.

  11. Simon Mason said:

    Now if you can explain in layman's terms how our
    Inductively Coupled Plasma Emission Spectrophotometer
    works, when I measure the Iridium content of a substance
    I'll be a happy man ;-)

    That one's easy. It works by magic.

    Colin

  12. Simon Mason said:

    Now if you can explain in layman's terms how our
    Inductively Coupled Plasma Emission Spectrophotometer
    works, when I measure the Iridium content of a substance
    I'll be a happy man ;-)

    Who do you think he is? A particle physicist?!

    Kuh.

  13. "John Hearns" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Simon Mason said:


    Now if you can explain in layman's terms how our
    Inductively Coupled


    Plasma

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Emission Spectrophotometer works, when I measure the
    Iridium content of


    a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    substance I'll be a happy man ;-)

    You've got me there! Dang nebbit, honest to betsy, pesky
    spectrophotometers...

    LOL. BTW, I would have *loved* to have been a particle
    physicist. It must be fantastic to peer into the inner
    workings of the Universe by unravelling weirder and more
    and more numerous sub atomic particles, then having to come
    up with some theory (and the "proof"😉 of how they all fit
    together. So you are doing my dream job, but I wasn't any
    good at maths, so I would have been no use at it :-)

    OT : And you get to play with a SynchroCYCLOtron!

    --
    Simon M.

  14. John Hearns said:

    On Mon, 24 May 2004 14:04:18 +0100, Simon Mason wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    LOL. BTW, I would have *loved* to have been a particle
    physicist. It must be fantastic to peer into the inner
    workings of the Universe by unravelling weirder and more
    and more numerous sub atomic particles, then having to
    come up with some theory (and the "proof"😉 of how they
    all fit together.


    Well, many nights spent staring at computer screens down
    deep holes in the French countryside. So you

    Quoted message said:

    are doing my dream job, but I wasn't any good at maths,
    so I would have been no use at it :-)


    Truth be told, I make my living these days configuring and
    installing Linux clusters (Beowulfs).

    Most dream jobs probably turn out to be not as fantastic
    when actually living that dream...

    I started off in theoretical physics, planning to understand
    All about the 11 Hidden Dimensions. Passing through
    computational physics, atmnospheric sciences and
    internet/new media programming I'm now researching ICT for
    older people...

    Roos

  15. On Mon, 24 May 2004 10:34:18 +0100, John Hearns
    <[email hidden]> wrote (more or less): ...

    Quoted message said:

    Going wildly off-topic, Cherenkov radiation is used as
    the basis for several many very interesting detectors.
    I'm a particle physicist. Bet you regret asking the
    question now :-)

    In deep, clear water neutrino observatories suspend strings
    of photomultipliers in spherical pressure housings.
    nikhef.nlintroe.htm
    Sounds fun. Plenty of sunshine out in the Med off Corsica.

    The Sudbury detector is deep in a mine in Canada
    sno.phy.queensu.casno.phy.queensu.ca It uses a huge tank of super
    pure water.

    The Kamiokande project used a deep mine in Japan (till
    someone left the tap on and overfilled the water. Oops).
    www-sk.icrr.u-tokyo.ac.jpindex.html

    And some lucky graduate students get to go to the South
    Pole to operate detectors buried in the ice:
    amanda.uci.edupublic info.html

    And still others only get to go to Yorkshire, into the
    deepest darkest parts of a coal mine htere. (Mind you, I
    only know that detector is for neutrinos. Maybe it isn't a
    Cherenkov radiation detector, but some other kind of
    neutrino meter.)

    --
    Cheers, Euan Gawnsoft: gawnsoft.co.srgawnsoft.co.sr
    Symbian/Epoc wiki: html.dnsalias.nethtml.dnsalias.net Smalltalk
    links (harvested from comp.lang.smalltalk)
    html.dnsalias.netsmalltalk

  16. "Roos Eisma" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Most dream jobs probably turn out to be not as fantastic
    when actually living that dream...

    I started off in theoretical physics, planning to
    understand All about the 11 Hidden Dimensions. Passing
    through computational physics, atmnospheric sciences and
    internet/new media programming I'm now researching ICT for
    older people...

    Well I hope there are still a few of you trying to sort it
    all out ;-) You're right about the job though, I find more
    pleasure in cycling to and from work than the actual job
    and it's a very good job, all things considered.

    --
    Simon M.

  17. "Trevor Barton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    The way it works is that you put the sample in, probably
    after preparing it in some manner, and then pres a few
    buttons in some predetermined order, and then wait a while
    while the machine whirs and pops, and then something
    either appears on the screen or from a printer giving you
    the answer.

    That's more or less the gist of it!

  18. "Trevor Barton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    The way it works is that you put the sample in, probably
    after preparing it in some manner, and then pres a few
    buttons in some predetermined order, and then wait a while
    while the machine whirs and pops, and then something
    either appears on the screen or from a printer giving you
    the answer.

    That's more or less the gist of it!

  19. "John Hearns" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Roos Eisma said:


    I started off in theoretical physics, planning to
    understand All about


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    11 Hidden Dimensions.


    OK. I'll bite. I was an experimentalist - thus barely fit
    to hit big things with a spanner. What are the 11 hidden
    dimensions?

    This is what *you're* supposed to be finding out, instead
    of fiddling around with poxy Linux PCs :-)

    --
    Simon M.

  20. "John Hearns" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Roos Eisma said:


    I started off in theoretical physics, planning to
    understand All about


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    11 Hidden Dimensions.


    OK. I'll bite. I was an experimentalist - thus barely fit
    to hit big things with a spanner. What are the 11 hidden
    dimensions?

    This is what *you're* supposed to be finding out, instead
    of fiddling around with poxy Linux PCs :-)

    --
    Simon M.

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