Something new to obsess over

In article <[email hidden]>,

Hugh Beyer said:

OK, for all you OCD folks out there...

The other day someone posted a link to SW that not only tracks your food
but uses it and your weight to track you metabolic rate on a daily basis.
So I thought, I'm already tracking my food in fitday and my weight in a
spreadsheet, I can do this myself. So I did.

It's not too hard--sum your food intake over the last week in calories,
subtract your weight loss or gain over the same period multipled by 3500,
divide by 7. Turns out that if you do that off the raw numbers it jumps
all over the place, but if you use a moving average of your weight (which
I was already calculating) you get a pretty consistent number.

But oh my socks and garters what a terrible number it is. I've been
tracking for the past 5 weeks or so; I've been cutting the whole time. In
that period my moving average BW has gone from 168.5 to 166.5, so .5
lb/week or so. But my BMR has gone from 2400 cal/day to **1850** c/day!

I'd like to tell myself this is some measurement artifact, but I don't
think so. I'm at 12-13% BF which is probably my setpoint, but even so it's
not that lean. I'm not attempting to correct for activity but I haven't
changed either my weights routine or my other activities much in that
time.

I'd heard, of course, that your BMR goes down when you eat less, but I
hadn't expected anything so drastic so quickly. What's going on? My
guesses:

* My genetics suck. Probably true, but not much I can do about it.

* My training or diet sucks. During the week I eat low carb (trying for
50g/day) and 1300-1400 cal/day--so about 500 under maintenance. On
weekends I eat between 2000-3000 depending on what parties are happening.
Maybe I'd do better with a more consistent diet, I dunno.

* I need to do something to keep the BMR up. Morning cardio, ECA,
something. I've been doing green tea, but only a cup or so a day.

The green tea extract capsules have proven to be stronger than the
tea... Go ahead and enjoy your green tea if you like it, but add some
extract capsules.

How much cardio are you doing?

Quoted message said:

'Course there's no reason I can't just ride it out, reducing cals to stay
ahead of the dropping BMR. Not a problem except I have visions of myself
as a quivering mass of jelly without the gumption to slide myself out of
bed.

Hugh

Have your thryroid levels, including TOTAL T3 checked (not T-3 uptake
which is a calculated value) as that is a common cause of the metabolism
being lowered. I've noted that, whenever I get serious about dieting, my
TSH goes up and we have to increase my Thyrolar dose.

I just got my lab work back from the Dr. yesterday, and she is
increasing my Thyrolar from 9 grains per week to 10 to 11. I'll just do
10 for now and take 2 on Mon. Wed. and Fri. then run another TSH next
month. It's in normal range, but since it's in the upper range of
normal, she wants to bring it down more and I think she is trying to
increase my T4 level as well. It is also now in normal range, but still
nowhere near the upper limits.

My TSH was already high, (about 7) but as soon as I really seriously cut
calories, it jumped up to 10!

Take a morning body temperature reading too first thing in the morning
before you get up too and see what it says...

What KIND of diet are you following? Might be time to cut those carbs!
<G>

My endocrinologist has also prescribed Metformin (Glucophage).
ALL of her morbidly obese patients lose weight, at least all the ones I
personally know.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

Hugh Beyer said:

OK, for all you OCD folks out there...

The other day someone posted a link to SW that not only tracks your
food but uses it and your weight to track you metabolic rate on a
daily basis. So I thought, I'm already tracking my food in fitday and
my weight in a spreadsheet, I can do this myself. So I did.

It's not too hard--sum your food intake over the last week in
calories, subtract your weight loss or gain over the same period
multipled by 3500, divide by 7. Turns out that if you do that off the
raw numbers it jumps all over the place, but if you use a moving
average of your weight (which I was already calculating) you get a
pretty consistent number.

But oh my socks and garters what a terrible number it is. I've been
tracking for the past 5 weeks or so; I've been cutting the whole
time. In that period my moving average BW has gone from 168.5 to
166.5, so .5 lb/week or so. But my BMR has gone from 2400 cal/day to
**1850** c/day!

I'd like to tell myself this is some measurement artifact, but I don't
think so. I'm at 12-13% BF which is probably my setpoint, but even so
it's not that lean. I'm not attempting to correct for activity but I
haven't changed either my weights routine or my other activities much
in that time.

I'd heard, of course, that your BMR goes down when you eat less, but I
hadn't expected anything so drastic so quickly. What's going on? My
guesses:

* My genetics suck. Probably true, but not much I can do about it.

* My training or diet sucks. During the week I eat low carb (trying
for 50g/day) and 1300-1400 cal/day--so about 500 under maintenance. On
weekends I eat between 2000-3000 depending on what parties are
happening. Maybe I'd do better with a more consistent diet, I dunno.

* I need to do something to keep the BMR up. Morning cardio, ECA,
something. I've been doing green tea, but only a cup or so a day.

'Course there's no reason I can't just ride it out, reducing cals to
stay ahead of the dropping BMR. Not a problem except I have visions
of myself as a quivering mass of jelly without the gumption to slide
myself out of bed.

Hugh

You're probably mis-estimating your food intake due to a variety of reasons.

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

Hugh Beyer said:

OK, for all you OCD folks out there...

The other day someone posted a link to SW that not only tracks your
food but uses it and your weight to track you metabolic rate on a
daily basis. So I thought, I'm already tracking my food in fitday and
my weight in a spreadsheet, I can do this myself. So I did.

It's not too hard--sum your food intake over the last week in
calories, subtract your weight loss or gain over the same period
multipled by 3500, divide by 7. Turns out that if you do that off the
raw numbers it jumps all over the place, but if you use a moving
average of your weight (which I was already calculating) you get a
pretty consistent number.

But oh my socks and garters what a terrible number it is. I've been
tracking for the past 5 weeks or so; I've been cutting the whole
time. In that period my moving average BW has gone from 168.5 to
166.5, so .5 lb/week or so. But my BMR has gone from 2400 cal/day to
**1850** c/day!

I'd like to tell myself this is some measurement artifact, but I don't
think so. I'm at 12-13% BF which is probably my setpoint, but even so
it's not that lean. I'm not attempting to correct for activity but I
haven't changed either my weights routine or my other activities much
in that time.

I'd heard, of course, that your BMR goes down when you eat less, but I
hadn't expected anything so drastic so quickly. What's going on? My
guesses:

* My genetics suck. Probably true, but not much I can do about it.

* My training or diet sucks. During the week I eat low carb (trying
for 50g/day) and 1300-1400 cal/day--so about 500 under maintenance. On
weekends I eat between 2000-3000 depending on what parties are
happening. Maybe I'd do better with a more consistent diet, I dunno.

* I need to do something to keep the BMR up. Morning cardio, ECA,
something. I've been doing green tea, but only a cup or so a day.

'Course there's no reason I can't just ride it out, reducing cals to
stay ahead of the dropping BMR. Not a problem except I have visions
of myself as a quivering mass of jelly without the gumption to slide
myself out of bed.

Hugh

You're probably mis-estimating your food intake due to a variety of
reasons.

Quite possibly, but I'm probably mis-estimating the same way all through
the period--I've been using fitday for years. So my actual metabolism may
be higher, but the reduction is real.

And although I estimate some stuff, I cross-check by weighing from time to
time and I'm never much off.

Hugh

--
Experience keeps a dear school, but fools will attend no other.

OmManiPadmeOmelet <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Hugh Beyer said:

OK, for all you OCD folks out there...

The other day someone posted a link to SW that not only tracks your
food but uses it and your weight to track you metabolic rate on a daily
basis. So I thought, I'm already tracking my food in fitday and my
weight in a spreadsheet, I can do this myself. So I did.

It's not too hard--sum your food intake over the last week in calories,
subtract your weight loss or gain over the same period multipled by
3500, divide by 7. Turns out that if you do that off the raw numbers it
jumps all over the place, but if you use a moving average of your
weight (which I was already calculating) you get a pretty consistent
number.

But oh my socks and garters what a terrible number it is. I've been
tracking for the past 5 weeks or so; I've been cutting the whole time.
In that period my moving average BW has gone from 168.5 to 166.5, so .5
lb/week or so. But my BMR has gone from 2400 cal/day to **1850** c/day!

I'd like to tell myself this is some measurement artifact, but I don't
think so. I'm at 12-13% BF which is probably my setpoint, but even so
it's not that lean. I'm not attempting to correct for activity but I
haven't changed either my weights routine or my other activities much
in that time.

I'd heard, of course, that your BMR goes down when you eat less, but I
hadn't expected anything so drastic so quickly. What's going on? My
guesses:

* My genetics suck. Probably true, but not much I can do about it.

* My training or diet sucks. During the week I eat low carb (trying for
50g/day) and 1300-1400 cal/day--so about 500 under maintenance. On
weekends I eat between 2000-3000 depending on what parties are
happening. Maybe I'd do better with a more consistent diet, I dunno.

* I need to do something to keep the BMR up. Morning cardio, ECA,
something. I've been doing green tea, but only a cup or so a day.

The green tea extract capsules have proven to be stronger than the
tea... Go ahead and enjoy your green tea if you like it, but add some
extract capsules.

How much cardio are you doing?

Yup, if I hit bottom I may go to capsules or EC or something.

Not much cardio. An hour of aikido a week, a session of tabata intervals,
usually a long walk.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

'Course there's no reason I can't just ride it out, reducing cals to
stay ahead of the dropping BMR. Not a problem except I have visions of
myself as a quivering mass of jelly without the gumption to slide
myself out of bed.

Hugh

Have your thryroid levels, including TOTAL T3 checked (not T-3 uptake
which is a calculated value) as that is a common cause of the metabolism
being lowered. I've noted that, whenever I get serious about dieting, my
TSH goes up and we have to increase my Thyrolar dose.

I just got my lab work back from the Dr. yesterday, and she is
increasing my Thyrolar from 9 grains per week to 10 to 11. I'll just do
10 for now and take 2 on Mon. Wed. and Fri. then run another TSH next
month. It's in normal range, but since it's in the upper range of
normal, she wants to bring it down more and I think she is trying to
increase my T4 level as well. It is also now in normal range, but still
nowhere near the upper limits.

My TSH was already high, (about 7) but as soon as I really seriously cut
calories, it jumped up to 10!

Take a morning body temperature reading too first thing in the morning
before you get up too and see what it says...

What KIND of diet are you following? Might be time to cut those carbs!
<G>

My endocrinologist has also prescribed Metformin (Glucophage).
ALL of her morbidly obese patients lose weight, at least all the ones I
personally know.

Huh. The one thing I hadn't thought about is that there might be a real
hormonal thing going on. I'm due to see a doctor, maybe I'll bring it up.

Hugh

--
Experience keeps a dear school, but fools will attend no other.

Hugh Beyer said:

OK, for all you OCD folks out there...

The other day someone posted a link to SW that not only tracks your
food but uses it and your weight to track you metabolic rate on a
daily basis. So I thought, I'm already tracking my food in fitday and
my weight in a spreadsheet, I can do this myself. So I did.

It's not too hard--sum your food intake over the last week in
calories, subtract your weight loss or gain over the same period
multipled by 3500, divide by 7. Turns out that if you do that off the
raw numbers it jumps all over the place, but if you use a moving
average of your weight (which I was already calculating) you get a
pretty consistent number.

But oh my socks and garters what a terrible number it is. I've been
tracking for the past 5 weeks or so; I've been cutting the whole
time. In that period my moving average BW has gone from 168.5 to
166.5, so .5 lb/week or so. But my BMR has gone from 2400 cal/day to
**1850** c/day!

I'd like to tell myself this is some measurement artifact, but I don't
think so. I'm at 12-13% BF which is probably my setpoint, but even so
it's not that lean. I'm not attempting to correct for activity but I
haven't changed either my weights routine or my other activities much
in that time.

I'd heard, of course, that your BMR goes down when you eat less, but I
hadn't expected anything so drastic so quickly. What's going on? My
guesses:

* My genetics suck. Probably true, but not much I can do about it.

* My training or diet sucks. During the week I eat low carb (trying
for 50g/day) and 1300-1400 cal/day--so about 500 under maintenance. On
weekends I eat between 2000-3000 depending on what parties are
happening. Maybe I'd do better with a more consistent diet, I dunno.

* I need to do something to keep the BMR up. Morning cardio, ECA,
something. I've been doing green tea, but only a cup or so a day.

'Course there's no reason I can't just ride it out, reducing cals to
stay ahead of the dropping BMR. Not a problem except I have visions
of myself as a quivering mass of jelly without the gumption to slide
myself out of bed.

Hugh

I read on MSNBC Health awhile ago that drinking water in the morning
increases your metabolism 30% within 10 minutes, and continues to increase
over the course of an hour. I'm not sure of the amount, but I think it was
10 - 12 oz. I looked again for it but couldn't find it...sorry.

I'm now 188 (down 10 lbs since Dec.), and I maintain on 2,800 - 3,000 cal
per day. I also eat small meals, about every two hours, and that seems to
keep my metabolism up. If I eat in the neighborhood of 2,300 per day, I'll
lose 1 lb a week. I'm damn tired of cutting, but I look and feel so good, I
hate to bulk again. I'm wearing 32s and they're even lose. BF is close to
10%. Not bad for a 48 yr old fart!

Regarding BF...I have noticed that when I drop a few points, my body needs
to "settle in" to that as being normal. Adjust if you will without the
desire to eat and make up for lost calories. That may take a month.
--
-Larry

Hugh Beyer said:

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

Hugh Beyer said:

OK, for all you OCD folks out there...

The other day someone posted a link to SW that not only tracks your
food but uses it and your weight to track you metabolic rate on a
daily basis. So I thought, I'm already tracking my food in fitday
and my weight in a spreadsheet, I can do this myself. So I did.

It's not too hard--sum your food intake over the last week in
calories, subtract your weight loss or gain over the same period
multipled by 3500, divide by 7. Turns out that if you do that off
the raw numbers it jumps all over the place, but if you use a moving
average of your weight (which I was already calculating) you get a
pretty consistent number.

But oh my socks and garters what a terrible number it is. I've been
tracking for the past 5 weeks or so; I've been cutting the whole
time. In that period my moving average BW has gone from 168.5 to
166.5, so .5 lb/week or so. But my BMR has gone from 2400 cal/day to
**1850** c/day!

I'd like to tell myself this is some measurement artifact, but I
don't think so. I'm at 12-13% BF which is probably my setpoint, but
even so it's not that lean. I'm not attempting to correct for
activity but I haven't changed either my weights routine or my
other activities much in that time.

I'd heard, of course, that your BMR goes down when you eat less,
but I hadn't expected anything so drastic so quickly. What's going
on? My guesses:

* My genetics suck. Probably true, but not much I can do about it.

* My training or diet sucks. During the week I eat low carb (trying
for 50g/day) and 1300-1400 cal/day--so about 500 under maintenance.
On weekends I eat between 2000-3000 depending on what parties are
happening. Maybe I'd do better with a more consistent diet, I dunno.

* I need to do something to keep the BMR up. Morning cardio, ECA,
something. I've been doing green tea, but only a cup or so a day.

'Course there's no reason I can't just ride it out, reducing cals to
stay ahead of the dropping BMR. Not a problem except I have visions
of myself as a quivering mass of jelly without the gumption to slide
myself out of bed.

Hugh

You're probably mis-estimating your food intake due to a variety of
reasons.

Quite possibly, but I'm probably mis-estimating the same way all
through the period--I've been using fitday for years. So my actual
metabolism may be higher, but the reduction is real.

And although I estimate some stuff, I cross-check by weighing from
time to time and I'm never much off.

Hugh

I use fitday, and for the most part like it. But it estimates my calories
too high. I have my activity level set to "bedridden" to keep my BMR down
to where I think it should be. Even with that, once I add in my work day,
it says I need 4,000+ calories...which I don't.
--
-Larry

In article <[email hidden]>,
"Larry Hodges" <[email hidden]> writes:
[snip]

Quoted message said:

I read on MSNBC Health awhile ago that drinking water in the morning
increases your metabolism 30% within 10 minutes, and continues to increase
over the course of an hour. I'm not sure of the amount, but I think it was
10 - 12 oz. I looked again for it but couldn't find it...sorry.

[snip]

I plugged water+morning+metabolism into Google and came up with
this: <http://dietandbody.com/Tips_For_Fat_Burning.html>. See
item #10.

Geez... 32 oz. of very cold water first thing in the morning...
I think I'll pass. I think I can live with only dropping a half-
pound a week or so.

--
Jim Seymour | "It is wrong always, everywhere and
WARNING: The "From:" address is a | for everyone to believe anything upon
spam trap. DON'T USE IT! Use: | insufficient evidence."
[email hidden] | - W. K. Clifford, ca. 1876

"Larry Hodges" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Hugh Beyer said:

OK, for all you OCD folks out there...

The other day someone posted a link to SW that not only tracks your
food but uses it and your weight to track you metabolic rate on a
daily basis. So I thought, I'm already tracking my food in fitday and
my weight in a spreadsheet, I can do this myself. So I did.

It's not too hard--sum your food intake over the last week in
calories, subtract your weight loss or gain over the same period
multipled by 3500, divide by 7. Turns out that if you do that off the
raw numbers it jumps all over the place, but if you use a moving
average of your weight (which I was already calculating) you get a
pretty consistent number.

But oh my socks and garters what a terrible number it is. I've been
tracking for the past 5 weeks or so; I've been cutting the whole
time. In that period my moving average BW has gone from 168.5 to
166.5, so .5 lb/week or so. But my BMR has gone from 2400 cal/day to
**1850** c/day!

I'd like to tell myself this is some measurement artifact, but I
don't
think so. I'm at 12-13% BF which is probably my setpoint, but even so
it's not that lean. I'm not attempting to correct for activity but I
haven't changed either my weights routine or my other activities much
in that time.

I'd heard, of course, that your BMR goes down when you eat less, but
I
hadn't expected anything so drastic so quickly. What's going on? My
guesses:

* My genetics suck. Probably true, but not much I can do about it.

* My training or diet sucks. During the week I eat low carb (trying
for 50g/day) and 1300-1400 cal/day--so about 500 under maintenance.
On
weekends I eat between 2000-3000 depending on what parties are
happening. Maybe I'd do better with a more consistent diet, I dunno.

* I need to do something to keep the BMR up. Morning cardio, ECA,
something. I've been doing green tea, but only a cup or so a day.

'Course there's no reason I can't just ride it out, reducing cals to
stay ahead of the dropping BMR. Not a problem except I have visions
of myself as a quivering mass of jelly without the gumption to slide
myself out of bed.

Hugh

I read on MSNBC Health awhile ago that drinking water in the morning
increases your metabolism 30% within 10 minutes, and continues to
increase over the course of an hour. I'm not sure of the amount, but
I think it was 10 - 12 oz. I looked again for it but couldn't find
it...sorry.

The idea of drinking a gallon of water a day isn't new but it's still
good advice. Buy or fill up a gallon plastic jug every morning and
finish it before bedtime - couldn't be simpler. Non-water beverages do
not count, however - the reasons escape me at the moment, but one source
said that you need to add *extra* water for every non-water beverage you
drink.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

Quoted message said:

I'm now 188 (down 10 lbs since Dec.), and I maintain on 2,800 - 3,000
cal per day. I also eat small meals, about every two hours, and that
seems to keep my metabolism up. If I eat in the neighborhood of 2,300
per day, I'll lose 1 lb a week. I'm damn tired of cutting, but I look
and feel so good, I hate to bulk again. I'm wearing 32s and they're
even lose. BF is close to 10%. Not bad for a 48 yr old fart!

Regarding BF...I have noticed that when I drop a few points, my body
needs to "settle in" to that as being normal. Adjust if you will
without the desire to eat and make up for lost calories. That may
take a month.
--
-Larry

Steve Freides said:

"Larry Hodges" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Hugh Beyer said:

OK, for all you OCD folks out there...

The other day someone posted a link to SW that not only tracks your
food but uses it and your weight to track you metabolic rate on a
daily basis. So I thought, I'm already tracking my food in fitday
and my weight in a spreadsheet, I can do this myself. So I did.

It's not too hard--sum your food intake over the last week in
calories, subtract your weight loss or gain over the same period
multipled by 3500, divide by 7. Turns out that if you do that off
the raw numbers it jumps all over the place, but if you use a moving
average of your weight (which I was already calculating) you get a
pretty consistent number.

But oh my socks and garters what a terrible number it is. I've been
tracking for the past 5 weeks or so; I've been cutting the whole
time. In that period my moving average BW has gone from 168.5 to
166.5, so .5 lb/week or so. But my BMR has gone from 2400 cal/day to
**1850** c/day!

I'd like to tell myself this is some measurement artifact, but I
don't
think so. I'm at 12-13% BF which is probably my setpoint, but even
so it's not that lean. I'm not attempting to correct for activity
but I haven't changed either my weights routine or my other
activities much in that time.

I'd heard, of course, that your BMR goes down when you eat less, but
I
hadn't expected anything so drastic so quickly. What's going on? My
guesses:

* My genetics suck. Probably true, but not much I can do about it.

* My training or diet sucks. During the week I eat low carb (trying
for 50g/day) and 1300-1400 cal/day--so about 500 under maintenance.
On
weekends I eat between 2000-3000 depending on what parties are
happening. Maybe I'd do better with a more consistent diet, I dunno.

* I need to do something to keep the BMR up. Morning cardio, ECA,
something. I've been doing green tea, but only a cup or so a day.

'Course there's no reason I can't just ride it out, reducing cals to
stay ahead of the dropping BMR. Not a problem except I have visions
of myself as a quivering mass of jelly without the gumption to slide
myself out of bed.

Hugh

I read on MSNBC Health awhile ago that drinking water in the morning
increases your metabolism 30% within 10 minutes, and continues to
increase over the course of an hour. I'm not sure of the amount, but
I think it was 10 - 12 oz. I looked again for it but couldn't find
it...sorry.

The idea of drinking a gallon of water a day isn't new but it's still
good advice. Buy or fill up a gallon plastic jug every morning and
finish it before bedtime - couldn't be simpler.

Quoted message said:

Non-water beverages
do not count, however - the reasons escape me at the moment, but one
source said that you need to add *extra* water for every non-water
beverage you drink.

That part is nonsense. Find some research to support that statement - I
dare you! 🙂

How is drinking something that is mostly water, but has something, any
different than drinking water with nothing added and eating food? It all
goes to the same place.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Hugh Beyer said:

Huh. The one thing I hadn't thought about is that there might be a real
hormonal thing going on. I'm due to see a doctor, maybe I'll bring it up.

Hugh

It's worth a shot. :-)
AFAIK, it's not all that uncommon for a long term calorie deficit to
mess with your metabolism. And, hypothyroidism is not all that uncommon,
especially as we get older.

Be sure to have total T3 checked! Some docs miss that, and that was one
of the reasons I dumped my original GP for my hormone care. We ran a set
of thyroid function tests when I was on Synthroid, and he had managed to
get my T4 and TSH into normal range, (but T4 was just barely in and if
it's higher, it keeps your metabolic rate higher) but my total T3 was
LOW and he told me that it did not mean anything!

Bullsh**. The doc I started working with after that told me that T4 was
not even the metabolically active hormone. T4 is converted to T3 before
it's used in the cells where it's converted to T2.

He also told me that Synthroid was [censored] and was making me worse and put
me on Thyrolar which is a combination of T4 and T3. I know that it sure
made my hypothyroidism symptoms much better when we switched... Most
notably, short term memory improved.

The endocrinologist is trying to bring TSH down to the lower normal
range now to try to kick T4 up as high as possible. I need to shell out
again for a total T3 but she needs to request it so insurance will cover
it. It's only a $30.00 co-pay.

It can get complicated. <G>

But, that might not be your problem so....... <shrugs>

Google for "Wilson's syndrome".

If your morning body temp. is low, something is wrong.
If it's normal, then don't worry about it. ;-)
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

In article <[email hidden]>,

Hugh Beyer said:

[email hidden] (Runs With Knives) wrote in news:115h65b143grj13
@corp.supernews.com:

Quoted message said:

http://dietandbody.com/Tips_For_Fat_Burning.html

Looks like a slightly dodgy site. I get lots of water but don't do the 32-oz
cold in the morning thing. I also just do 3 meals a day.

I'm going to try adding an interval session and other morning cardio. See if
that gives things a bump.

RE fitday, everybody finds you have to tell it you're bedridden for its BMR
function to make sense. But I don't use it to track exercise.

Hugh

I know it's a PITA, but increased meal frequency can increase your
metabolic rate. That is where shakes come in! I understand that
increasing fiber a bit can also help for various reasons.

I don't get more than 3 meals per day either as I'm just too darned
busy. Sometimes I only get 1 or 2, but that's not every day, and if I do
only get 1 or 2, I don't increase the calories in that meal to make up
for it. I just run a higher than normal calorie deficit for the day.

How much cardio do you do? I'm still too fat to try anything strenuous,
so a 30 minute fast paced walk every night with the dog is all I'm doing
at the moment, along with the weight training 3 hours per week.
So far, I'm losing 10 lbs. per month (and the folks here are telling me
I need to slow down but if I do, I'll lose that $200.00 wager I have
with two smart assed co-workers <G>😉 so we'll see!

But, I'm also doing really low carb and pretty much totally avoiding
starch and sugar. All my carbs are coming from fresh produce, which I
happen to adore anyway! My garden is producing loads of chard right now
and I have a lot of tomato sets... but that's off topic now.

Good luck!!!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Hugh Beyer said:

[email hidden] (Runs With Knives) wrote in news:115h65b143grj13
@corp.supernews.com:

Quoted message said:

http://dietandbody.com/Tips_For_Fat_Burning.html

Looks like a slightly dodgy site. I get lots of water but don't do
the 32-oz cold in the morning thing. I also just do 3 meals a day.

I'm going to try adding an interval session and other morning
cardio. See if that gives things a bump.

RE fitday, everybody finds you have to tell it you're bedridden for
its BMR function to make sense. But I don't use it to track exercise.

Hugh

I know it's a PITA, but increased meal frequency can increase your
metabolic rate. That is where shakes come in! I understand that
increasing fiber a bit can also help for various reasons.

I don't get more than 3 meals per day either as I'm just too darned
busy. Sometimes I only get 1 or 2, but that's not every day, and if I
do only get 1 or 2, I don't increase the calories in that meal to
make up for it. I just run a higher than normal calorie deficit for
the day.

Actually, if you do it like I do, eating every two hours gives you more
time. But...you have to make your lunch. Which, if you're serious about
what you're eating, you're doing already anyway.

I usually make two sandwiches, cut them in half and wrap them individually.
I also take a couple of pieces of fruit and a protein bar. I simply grap a
half sandwich or friut and munch it down every couple of hours
walking/driving from one place to the next. I don't ever stop for lunch. I
pick up an hour a day just not doing lunch.

....snip...
--
-Larry

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Steve Freides said:

"Larry Hodges" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Hugh Beyer wrote:
> OK, for all you OCD folks out there...
>
> The other day someone posted a link to SW that not only tracks your
> food but uses it and your weight to track you metabolic rate on a
> daily basis. So I thought, I'm already tracking my food in fitday
> and my weight in a spreadsheet, I can do this myself. So I did.
>
> It's not too hard--sum your food intake over the last week in
> calories, subtract your weight loss or gain over the same period
> multipled by 3500, divide by 7. Turns out that if you do that off
> the raw numbers it jumps all over the place, but if you use a
> moving
> average of your weight (which I was already calculating) you get a
> pretty consistent number.
>
> But oh my socks and garters what a terrible number it is. I've been
> tracking for the past 5 weeks or so; I've been cutting the whole
> time. In that period my moving average BW has gone from 168.5 to
> 166.5, so .5 lb/week or so. But my BMR has gone from 2400 cal/day
> to
> **1850** c/day!
>
> I'd like to tell myself this is some measurement artifact, but I
> don't
> think so. I'm at 12-13% BF which is probably my setpoint, but even
> so it's not that lean. I'm not attempting to correct for activity
> but I haven't changed either my weights routine or my other
> activities much in that time.
>
> I'd heard, of course, that your BMR goes down when you eat less,
> but
> I
> hadn't expected anything so drastic so quickly. What's going on? My
> guesses:
>
> * My genetics suck. Probably true, but not much I can do about it.
>
> * My training or diet sucks. During the week I eat low carb (trying
> for 50g/day) and 1300-1400 cal/day--so about 500 under maintenance.
> On
> weekends I eat between 2000-3000 depending on what parties are
> happening. Maybe I'd do better with a more consistent diet, I
> dunno.
>
> * I need to do something to keep the BMR up. Morning cardio, ECA,
> something. I've been doing green tea, but only a cup or so a day.
>
> 'Course there's no reason I can't just ride it out, reducing cals
> to
> stay ahead of the dropping BMR. Not a problem except I have visions
> of myself as a quivering mass of jelly without the gumption to
> slide
> myself out of bed.
>
> Hugh

I read on MSNBC Health awhile ago that drinking water in the morning
increases your metabolism 30% within 10 minutes, and continues to
increase over the course of an hour. I'm not sure of the amount,
but
I think it was 10 - 12 oz. I looked again for it but couldn't find
it...sorry.

The idea of drinking a gallon of water a day isn't new but it's still
good advice. Buy or fill up a gallon plastic jug every morning and
finish it before bedtime - couldn't be simpler.

Quoted message said:

Non-water beverages
do not count, however - the reasons escape me at the moment, but one
source said that you need to add *extra* water for every non-water
beverage you drink.

That part is nonsense. Find some research to support that statement -
I
dare you! 🙂

Thank you, no. I really don't remember where I heard that. More below.

Quoted message said:

How is drinking something that is mostly water, but has something, any
different than drinking water with nothing added and eating food? It
all
goes to the same place.

Your body treats beverages with lots of sugar and/or salt in them
differently that it treats plain old water because, well, they're
different. I don't think anyone could say that drinking a liter of soda
is any way as good for you as drinking a liter of water. You'd probably
have to drink a liter of water and spoon salt and sugar into your face
to follow your line of thinking above literally. I'm guessing the
person who wrote that had in mind a lot of the [censored] people drink, e.g.,
soda and the like. Finishing your gallon jug of water everyday probably
means cutting back on the bad-for-you stuff, and that's probably good
for most people.

My non-water beverage of choice is green tea. Now that the weather's a
bit warmer here, we're back to our summer tradition of throwing a few
tea bags in a pitcher and have the stuff over ice throughout the day.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

In article <[email hidden]>,

Larry Hodges said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Hugh Beyer said:

[email hidden] (Runs With Knives) wrote in news:115h65b143grj13
@corp.supernews.com:

> http://dietandbody.com/Tips_For_Fat_Burning.html

Looks like a slightly dodgy site. I get lots of water but don't do
the 32-oz cold in the morning thing. I also just do 3 meals a day.

I'm going to try adding an interval session and other morning
cardio. See if that gives things a bump.

RE fitday, everybody finds you have to tell it you're bedridden for
its BMR function to make sense. But I don't use it to track exercise.

Hugh

I know it's a PITA, but increased meal frequency can increase your
metabolic rate. That is where shakes come in! I understand that
increasing fiber a bit can also help for various reasons.

I don't get more than 3 meals per day either as I'm just too darned
busy. Sometimes I only get 1 or 2, but that's not every day, and if I
do only get 1 or 2, I don't increase the calories in that meal to
make up for it. I just run a higher than normal calorie deficit for
the day.

Actually, if you do it like I do, eating every two hours gives you more
time. But...you have to make your lunch. Which, if you're serious about
what you're eating, you're doing already anyway.

Yes, I do do that.
If nothing else, 2 or 3 hard cooked eggs makes a nice snack now that
I've learned how to cook the fresh ones and make them easy to peel. ;-)

Recently I've re-discovered cottage cheese too!

Quoted message said:

I usually make two sandwiches, cut them in half and wrap them individually.
I also take a couple of pieces of fruit and a protein bar. I simply grap a
half sandwich or friut and munch it down every couple of hours
walking/driving from one place to the next. I don't ever stop for lunch. I
pick up an hour a day just not doing lunch.

My biggest problem is WORK! If it gets really busy, 5 hours can pass by
and we don't even notice it! :-P Planning is everything, but.....

Quoted message said:

...snip...

Snacking, no real "sit down" meals is pretty much the rule anyway, so
you are correct about it being more time efficient in the long run.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

Steve Freides said:

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Steve Freides said:

"Larry Hodges" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> Hugh Beyer wrote:
>> OK, for all you OCD folks out there...
>>
>> The other day someone posted a link to SW that not only tracks
>> your food but uses it and your weight to track you metabolic rate
>> on a daily basis. So I thought, I'm already tracking my food in
>> fitday and my weight in a spreadsheet, I can do this myself. So I
>> did.
>>
>> It's not too hard--sum your food intake over the last week in
>> calories, subtract your weight loss or gain over the same period
>> multipled by 3500, divide by 7. Turns out that if you do that off
>> the raw numbers it jumps all over the place, but if you use a
>> moving
>> average of your weight (which I was already calculating) you get a
>> pretty consistent number.
>>
>> But oh my socks and garters what a terrible number it is. I've
>> been tracking for the past 5 weeks or so; I've been cutting the
>> whole time. In that period my moving average BW has gone from
>> 168.5 to 166.5, so .5 lb/week or so. But my BMR has gone from
>> 2400 cal/day to
>> **1850** c/day!
>>
>> I'd like to tell myself this is some measurement artifact, but I
>> don't
>> think so. I'm at 12-13% BF which is probably my setpoint, but even
>> so it's not that lean. I'm not attempting to correct for activity
>> but I haven't changed either my weights routine or my other
>> activities much in that time.
>>
>> I'd heard, of course, that your BMR goes down when you eat less,
>> but
>> I
>> hadn't expected anything so drastic so quickly. What's going on?
>> My guesses:
>>
>> * My genetics suck. Probably true, but not much I can do about it.
>>
>> * My training or diet sucks. During the week I eat low carb
>> (trying for 50g/day) and 1300-1400 cal/day--so about 500 under
>> maintenance. On
>> weekends I eat between 2000-3000 depending on what parties are
>> happening. Maybe I'd do better with a more consistent diet, I
>> dunno.
>>
>> * I need to do something to keep the BMR up. Morning cardio, ECA,
>> something. I've been doing green tea, but only a cup or so a day.
>>
>> 'Course there's no reason I can't just ride it out, reducing cals
>> to
>> stay ahead of the dropping BMR. Not a problem except I have
>> visions of myself as a quivering mass of jelly without the
>> gumption to slide
>> myself out of bed.
>>
>> Hugh
>
> I read on MSNBC Health awhile ago that drinking water in the
> morning increases your metabolism 30% within 10 minutes, and
> continues to increase over the course of an hour. I'm not sure of
> the amount, but
> I think it was 10 - 12 oz. I looked again for it but couldn't find
> it...sorry.

The idea of drinking a gallon of water a day isn't new but it's
still good advice. Buy or fill up a gallon plastic jug every
morning and finish it before bedtime - couldn't be simpler.

Quoted message said:

Non-water beverages
do not count, however - the reasons escape me at the moment, but one
source said that you need to add *extra* water for every non-water
beverage you drink.

That part is nonsense. Find some research to support that statement
- I
dare you! 🙂

Thank you, no. I really don't remember where I heard that. More
below.

You won't find any credible sites, I assure you. You'll find claims, but
nothing substantial to back them up.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

How is drinking something that is mostly water, but has something,
any different than drinking water with nothing added and eating
food? It all
goes to the same place.

Your body treats beverages with lots of sugar and/or salt in them
differently that it treats plain old water because, well, they're
different.

Sure they are different. But if you drink a lot of water and then eat some
cookies, you get basically the same effect.

Quoted message said:

I don't think anyone could say that drinking a liter of
soda is any way as good for you as drinking a liter of water.

No....but neither is drinking a liter of water and eating something really
sugary

Quoted message said:

You'd
probably have to drink a liter of water and spoon salt and sugar into
your face to follow your line of thinking above literally.

People who eat hard candy would so just that...

I'm

Quoted message said:

guessing the person who wrote that had in mind a lot of the [censored]
people drink, e.g., soda and the like.

I'd agree. However, your body will use the water as it needs it and deal
with the sugar/salt too. Too much of the later will be bad, of course.

Quoted message said:

Finishing your gallon jug of
water everyday probably means cutting back on the bad-for-you stuff,
and that's probably good for most people.

But it doesn't mean that drinking a gallon of diet caffiene free diet coke
or sprite is worse for you than drinking water.

Quoted message said:

My non-water beverage of choice is green tea. Now that the weather's
a bit warmer here, we're back to our summer tradition of throwing a
few tea bags in a pitcher and have the stuff over ice throughout the
day.

I drink a lot of green tea, too. But I don't bother trying to make up for
that by drinking extra water.

Quoted message said:

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

Hugh Beyer <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

OK, for all you OCD folks out there...

The other day someone posted a link to SW that not only tracks your
food but uses it and your weight to track you metabolic rate on a
daily basis. So I thought, I'm already tracking my food in fitday and
my weight in a spreadsheet, I can do this myself. So I did.

Please could you give the link?

Quoted message said:

It's not too hard--sum your food intake over the last week in
calories, subtract your weight loss or gain over the same period
multipled by 3500, divide by 7. Turns out that if you do that off the
raw numbers it jumps all over the place, but if you use a moving
average of your weight (which I was already calculating) you get a
pretty consistent number.

Sorry not that hot on maths, whats a moving average?

In article <[email hidden]>,
Stone Free <[email hidden]> writes:
[snip]

Quoted message said:

Sorry not that hot on maths, whats a moving average?

Aka: "Floating average." An average based on the last X number of
samples, rather than all samples to date.

--
Jim Seymour | "It is wrong always, everywhere and
WARNING: The "From:" address is a | for everyone to believe anything upon
spam trap. DON'T USE IT! Use: | insufficient evidence."
[email hidden] | - W. K. Clifford, ca. 1876

Stone Free <[email hidden]>
wrote in news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

Hugh Beyer <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

OK, for all you OCD folks out there...

The other day someone posted a link to SW that not only tracks your
food but uses it and your weight to track you metabolic rate on a
daily basis. So I thought, I'm already tracking my food in fitday and
my weight in a spreadsheet, I can do this myself. So I did.

Quoted message said:

Please could you give the link?

www.fitday.com

Hugh

--
Experience keeps a dear school, but fools will attend no other.

Hugh Beyer <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

Stone Free
<[email hidden]> wrote
in news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

Hugh Beyer <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

OK, for all you OCD folks out there...

The other day someone posted a link to SW that not only tracks your
food but uses it and your weight to track you metabolic rate on a
daily basis. So I thought, I'm already tracking my food in fitday
and my weight in a spreadsheet, I can do this myself. So I did.

Quoted message said:

Please could you give the link?

www.fitday.com

Hugh

Sorry, I should have been more careful when crafting the reply. I meant
what is the link to the software that will track your metabolic rate.

Thanks