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  1. Speed is relative. I'm not convinced everything else is. But speed is.
    The slowest Trabant is faster than me on a a really good day.

    However, within the constraints of the system, age, physics, and all
    that, I find that I am still somewhat drawn to the call of speed. I'm
    not in my 20's any more, and I'd like to think I have the larger part of
    my ego under control. I don't mind riding at whatever pace the group I'm
    with chooses.

    So what is it.

    First there is the challenge. Like the old joke about how if it had been
    intended that man should fly, he'd have been given the brains to invent
    the airplane, I want to see how "clean" I can make my bike. I want to
    see how much power I can get out of my engine, and I want to see how
    efficiently I can use that power. I want to see; I want to try.

    Note to the novice: power is not technique is not knowledge. It is the
    challenge of applying skill - and brains - that appeals to me.

    Second, there is the world, my world. My time for riding is squeezed
    between other more important things. I don't mind this, but every mile
    per hour I gain, expands my world by a couple miles in the morning before
    work.
    Too slow and I am limited to one road. All the time. This is dull and
    unrewarding.

    Not many think of touring as a race, but it is. The day will end, and
    3mph might be the difference between a sleeping bag in a corn field
    eating backup rations and a hot shower with a phone call home. Climb a
    pass in the Rockies during monsoon season, and the loss of 1-2mph might
    have significant consequences. Do you really want to be on the top of
    Loveland Pass when the afternoon T-storm shows up? Me neither, not
    again.
    Even on my commute, 1-2mph allows me to take an alternate route, maybe
    with less traffic, maybe along the river in the park, or maybe it makes
    running errands on the other side of town a real possibility instead of
    merely a theoretical one.

    For some of us non-racers there is a legitimacy to the quest for speed.
    It changes my view of the world; it allows me to more fully enjoy my
    stolen moments outdoors. It feeds my curiosity, it drives me to eat
    better, to exercise smarter, to treat my "engine" more kindly. Can these
    be bad things?

  2. "Howard" <bishop(1199bitshiftleft1)@yazhooz.com> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Speed is relative. I'm not convinced everything else is. But speed is.
    The slowest Trabant is faster than me on a a really good day.

    You are right that speed is relative. A turtle is quite fast compared to a
    slug or a snail. However, other things are also relative. When it comes to
    human behavior, the biggest relativity issue is age. Age has to do with the
    number of years you have spent on this planet above ground.

    Quoted message said:

    However, within the constraints of the system, age, physics, and all
    that, I find that I am still somewhat drawn to the call of speed. I'm
    not in my 20's any more, and I'd like to think I have the larger part of
    my ego under control. I don't mind riding at whatever pace the group I'm
    with chooses.

    When you are in your 60's and 70's you will realize that speeed is for the
    young. Instead, you will be thankful if you can just get out of bed in the
    morning and trundle yourself over to the breakfast table in order to get a
    bit of nouirishment so that you can do the same thing all over the next day.
    Yea! Life is good - and do not let anyone ever tell you otherwise! What the
    [censored] does speed have to do with anything?

    Quoted message said:

    So what is it.

    First there is the challenge. Like the old joke about how if it had been
    intended that man should fly, he'd have been given the brains to invent
    the airplane, I want to see how "clean" I can make my bike. I want to
    see how much power I can get out of my engine, and I want to see how
    efficiently I can use that power. I want to see; I want to try.

    No, all that challenge [censored] is for the young who are still trying to find
    themselves. If and when you ever get to be over 40, you will just want to be
    able to breath in and out and move about however slowly. The main thing is
    to stay out of the grave for as long as possible.Because when you are dead,
    you are dead for all eternity. Every fool who has ever lived knows this if
    he does not ever know anything else.

    Quoted message said:

    Note to the novice: power is not technique is not knowledge. It is the
    challenge of applying skill - and brains - that appeals to me.

    Screw the challenge! Most people go to the airport and get on a jet airplane
    if they want to experience power. The take-offs are especially invigorating.

    Quoted message said:

    Second, there is the world, my world. My time for riding is squeezed
    between other more important things. I don't mind this, but every mile
    per hour I gain, expands my world by a couple miles in the morning before
    work.
    Too slow and I am limited to one road. All the time. This is dull and
    unrewarding.

    Try going slower and slower. You will live longer and see some flowers along
    the way. There is nothing duller and more unrewarding in this world than to
    speed through it and not see anything except your own computer telliing you
    how fast you are going. Again, you have got to learn to screw this speed
    thing. It is total insanity.

    Look at all the [censored] on this newsgroup who are into speed. They prove
    everytime they post a message about how [censored] fast they are that they do
    not have the brains they were born with. What gets said here on ARBR with
    respect to speed should be an object lesson to us all.

    Quoted message said:

    Not many think of touring as a race, but it is. The day will end, and
    3mph might be the difference between a sleeping bag in a corn field
    eating backup rations and a hot shower with a phone call home. Climb a
    pass in the Rockies during monsoon season, and the loss of 1-2mph might
    have significant consequences. Do you really want to be on the top of
    Loveland Pass when the afternoon T-storm shows up? Me neither, not
    again.
    Even on my commute, 1-2mph allows me to take an alternate route, maybe
    with less traffic, maybe along the river in the park, or maybe it makes
    running errands on the other side of town a real possibility instead of
    merely a theoretical one.

    Howard, you are completely insane! You know that don't you? A tour is never
    a race. It is the furthest thing from it. Howard, you are completely insane!
    You know that don't you?

    My best advice to you is just to stay home and do not even think about going
    out on the road. Surely there are things you can do in your own home that
    will not drive you as crazy as you have become from cycling. If you must
    ride your bike, maybe a quick turn or two about your neighborhood will
    suffice. More than that and you go nuts!

    Quoted message said:

    For some of us non-racers there is a legitimacy to the quest for speed.
    It changes my view of the world; it allows me to more fully enjoy my
    stolen moments outdoors. It feeds my curiosity, it drives me to eat
    better, to exercise smarter, to treat my "engine" more kindly. Can these
    be bad things?

    See my paragraph just above. I can only add that you should definitely see a
    psychiatrist about your obsession with speed.on a bicycle.

    The moral of the story here is that cycling is not a suitable activity for
    everyone as it apparently can drive you crazy with the lust for speed.
    Howard is a pitiful case indeed and I do feel sorry for him. He knows not
    what he knows not. But worse than that, he is trying to convert us sane and
    sensible folk to his cockeyed view. It is a good thing that I am here to set
    all of you straight.

    --
    Ed Dolan - Minnesota

  3. "There is more to life than increasing its speed."
    -- Mohandas Ghandi

  4. "LioNiNoiL_a t_NetscapE_D 0 T_NeT" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message news:xRknc.99281$Jy3.90952@fed1read03...

    Quoted message said:

    "There is more to life than increasing its speed."
    -- Mohandas Ghandi

    Mr. Tom is always quoting Ghandi - which more often than not I have to take
    exception to because of the context in which Mr. Tom is placing the
    quotation. But here is one quotation from Ghandi in this context that I
    agree with 100%!

    --
    Ed Dolan - Minnesota

  5. LioNiNoiL_a t_NetscapE_D 0 T_NeT <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:xRknc.99281$Jy3.90952@fed1read03:

    Quoted message said:

    "There is more to life than increasing its speed."
    -- Mohandas Ghandi

    No argument. Didn't say it was for everyone.

  6. Howard said:

    LioNiNoiL_a t_NetscapE_D 0 T_NeT <[email hidden]> wrote
    in news:xRknc.99281$Jy3.90952@fed1read03:news:xRknc.99281$Jy3.90952@f-
    ed1read03:

    Quoted message said:

    "There is more to life than increasing its speed." -- Mohandas Ghandi


    No argument. Didn't say it was for everyone.

    Since you are so easy going here Howard,I would like to throw this
    out there.I added a couple of electric bikes to my growing fleet.I
    find that they are a lot of fun and I have used them for commuting.
    The thing is for me,my knee and hip just won't take the abuse that
    they use to.Electric bikes just make sense to me,although I wish they
    were recumbents and not ,well you know, like those other kind.

    --

  7. Howard wrote [mildly reordered for emphasis]:

    Quoted message said:

    I'm not in my 20's any more... However, within the constraints of the
    system, age, physics, and all that, I find that I am still somewhat
    drawn to the call of speed... So what is it...

    To which the always aridly erudite Edward Dolan rashly replied:

    Quoted message said:

    When you are in your 60's and 70's you will realize that speeed is
    for the young... What... does speed have to do with anything?

    For one purely personal perspective - perhaps both poetic and prosaic -
    of a pedaler (well past puberty), you might enjoy a peek at this piece:

    http://www.factorydeluxe.com/MT/2Log/2LogArchive/000116.html

    Regards,
    Wayne Leggett
    LoGo Trikes USA

  8. LoGo Trikes USA said:

    For one purely personal perspective - perhaps both poetic and prosaic -
    of a pedaler (well past puberty), you might enjoy a peek at this piece:

    http://www.factorydeluxe.com/MT/2Log/2LogArchive/000116.html

    Or one might consult Mr. M. Burrows who, although his sixtieth birthday
    is history, is still actively racing both recumbents and uprights (and,
    I might add, is a skinny as a thin thing after a prolonged period on
    hunger strike).

    --

    Dave Larrington - http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/
    ===========================================================
    Editor - British Human Power Club Newsletter
    http://www.bhpc.org.uk/
    ===========================================================

  9. "LoGo Trikes USA" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Howard wrote [mildly reordered for emphasis]:

    Quoted message said:

    I'm not in my 20's any more... However, within the constraints of the
    system, age, physics, and all that, I find that I am still somewhat
    drawn to the call of speed... So what is it...

    To which the always aridly erudite Edward Dolan rashly replied:

    Quoted message said:

    When you are in your 60's and 70's you will realize that speeed is
    for the young... What... does speed have to do with anything?

    For one purely personal perspective - perhaps both poetic and prosaic -
    of a pedaler (well past puberty), you might enjoy a peek at this piece:

    http://www.factorydeluxe.com/MT/2Log/2LogArchive/000116.html

    Regards,
    Wayne Leggett
    LoGo Trikes USA

    Wayne, that poem was not only about me, but it could have been written by
    me. The only discordant note was that bit about wanting to compete again if
    only ever so slightly. No, those days are gone forever and I am perfectly
    content now to just poke along and smell the roses.

    Many thanks for the good poem. I am going to save it to My Documents and I
    may use bits and pieces of it on other ARBR'ers in the future, you know, the
    types that like to go fast like Howard. It is far better to be wise than to
    be fast. Unfortunately for the human species, wisdom only seems to come with
    age.

    --
    Regards,

    Ed Dolan - Minnesota

  10. "Dave Larrington" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    LoGo Trikes USA said:

    For one purely personal perspective - perhaps both poetic and prosaic -
    of a pedaler (well past puberty), you might enjoy a peek at this piece:

    http://www.factorydeluxe.com/MT/2Log/2LogArchive/000116.html

    Or one might consult Mr. M. Burrows who, although his sixtieth birthday
    is history, is still actively racing both recumbents and uprights (and,
    I might add, is a skinny as a thin thing after a prolonged period on
    hunger strike).

    In a previous post I said it is better to be wise than to be fast and I
    further said that unfortunately for the human species wisdom only seems to
    come with age. However, this is not inevitable as the example of Mr. Burrows
    proves. I suspect Dave is also going to follow that bad example instead of
    the path of wisdom which I represent. Jeez! Some guys just never grow up!

    --
    Ed Dolan - Minnesota

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