On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 17:00:43 GMT, Mike Vandeman <[email hidden]>
Quoted message said:.> .> . .> .> .Why should he prove that you ride horses? If you don't just tell .> us .> so and .we
will believe you. It's not a big thing you know and .> nobody .> probably even .cares whether you
do or don't. .> .> .> .> The point is that mountain bikers lie all the time, never bothering .> .>
to check any of their assertions. .> . .> .Now that is a big lie. I just happen to know one that
doesn't lie. .> .> In general, they do, which is what I just said. I have yet to meet .> one that
doesn't lie constantly. . . .No you didn't say that they lie in general. You said that they lie all
the .time. It is in plain writing still quoted in this post.
That's the same thing.
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I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to
help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
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Mike, my boy, enough of this liar thing, there is no bigger liar than you on this site. The Sierra
club caught you lying big time and barred you from holding office or ever being a spokesman for
their organization because on numerous occasions you spewed forth your radical views and represented
yourself and the your positions as those of the Sierra Club, knowing your were not a spokesman and
that your views were not shared by the club.
The reason the took action against you is because your lying was damaging the clubs reputation. Now
that is not harmless lying. Unlike the lying you claim goes on with "all" mountain bikers which is
mostly harmless and most often just honest mistakes.
Then there is the lie you perpetuate about your being some kind of deep ecologist. What [censored], the
stuff you write on your website is unsubstatiated nonsense. You say you laid under a tree one fine
day and it felt great. So you suddenly start saying how great it is to be a tree based on your
feelings of being under it and euphoric. So now you go around hugging trees and trying to save
whip snakes. Luckily it wasn't rainy and cold when you were under that tree or you would have
hated trees.
Essentially what you have done is mistaken your feelings for the trees. It's curious that you could
have so much empathy for a tree when your own personal relations are so poor. I suspect that is why
you got a minor degree in phycology, so you could figure out why you were different from the norm
and reconcile that some way.
Instead you have grown up with poor interpersonal skills and quite likely no good friends. Maybe you
have a few aquiantences but I suspect most of them give you lip service and agree with because you
are such a bore to listen to when you argue.
Anyway lucky for you the Internet came along so you could invent the field of "Deep Ecology" and
fool a few people into thinking you had something to say. I bet you never get invited to the same
conference twice once they figure out they have been had. You must of hated the FAQ that bike folks
had listed on you at one time because theses same people could find it so easy and realized what
hack you were.
That brings me to another lie. You have Dr's in Math and a minor, I believe, in Psychology, yet, you
present this image on the WEB like you are some kind of Enviromental Expert. Obviously this ruse
doesn't work with the trained enviromentalists and it's easy to see why. It's the old stupid people
don't know they are stupid syndrome. Your writings on your website lack credibility because you work
off your own internal logic and don't use facts and figures to support you "intuitive" claims.
There is one good thing about you, though, you're more interesting than some of the monosyllabic cut
and pasters in this forum, who can't seem to put a paragraph together, but then that's not saying a
lot, is it?
