Some questions from long ago...

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Hi, Paul - until someone who knows what they're talking about comes along,
here's my 2c;

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1)I found that after induction LC was a very effective appitite
supressant.
Have any studies been done on why this is?

Ketosis.

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On my first pass I ate a lot of saturated fat,
if one tries to do a leaner version of LC is the appatite suppresion still
there?

Is for me...

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I'm thinking that I'll add more "good" fats like avacado, olive oil etc..
and reduce
my red meat consumption.

Check out the composition of fats in red meat. You may find your urge to
tinker along those lines diminishes.

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2)When I started the "net" carbs concept was very controversial,
is it still so? Can I subtract all fiber grams from a carb count?
Can I do this during induction?

AFAIK, yup.

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4)Any suggestions for Fast Food breakfast with out all the sausage
nitrates?

My regular breakfast is flaxseed porridge, the recipe for which I got from
this ng - from Dusty, I think. The mix is about 8oz ground flax seed, 4oz
ground nuts [I'm using brazil nuts to keep my thyroid ticking over] and 2oz
bran. I also add a ton of cinnamon, as it seems to help my diabetes. This
makes a fair few days' supply; I keep the excess in the fridge. In the
morning, I put a couple of scoops' worth in a bowl, add Splenda to taste,
pour boiling water on and mix. A couple of mins later it's ready to eat and
I'm defending it from my marauding children, who much prefer the taste to
their oat porridge!

Nicky.

--
A1c 10.5/5.4/<6 T2 DX 05/2004
1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine
95/74/72Kg

I would recommend HIGHLY that you get the 2002 edition of the Atkins
book and read it again from cover to cover.

You will learn a lot from the second reading, perhaps more than from
your first reading..... because you didn't really learn the maintenance
stuff the first time. You read it, but you didn't learn it.

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I successfully did LC in 98 and lost 45 pounds.
My cholesterol when from very high to normal, and
my concentration and energy level were greatly improved.

I've totaly failed at maintance. LC takes a lot of work
and once I took my eye off the scale I gained it all back.

Yes, maintaining the weight loss is something you have to work on every
day, and almost every meal and almost every snack.

Bummer.... it has to become a way of life.

I make mistakes and keep having to come back again and again.... and
probably so will you.

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I've started on induction today and added asdlc back to my news group list ;-)

A lot of studies have been done on LC in the last 8 years so I was hoping that some of
the regulars could answer some questions:

1)I found that after induction LC was a very effective appitite supressant.
Have any studies been done on why this is?

Studies? Not to my knowledge, but the phenomena of protein and/or fat
reduction of recurring hunger is now quoted to some extent in a great
deal of diet writings. Not just low carb.

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On my first pass I ate a lot of saturated fat,
if one tries to do a leaner version of LC is the appatite suppresion still there?
I'm thinking that I'll add more "good" fats like avacado, olive oil etc.. and reduce
my red meat consumption.

Trans Fats
The Atkins book "Dr.Atking New Diet Revolution" 2002 edition points out
the need to eliminate Trans Fats.

Saturated Fats
The same book attempts to provide evidence that saturated fat
consumption does not cause greater cardiac death rate.

The evidence for "Saturated Fat killing millions of peaceful Americans"
is not crystal clear. But, if you don't want to gamble on that, by all
means don't take that gamble.

I find that Olive Oil and protein and "Trans Fat Free Margarine" keep me
satiated. But, I also periodically welcome the taste of saturated fats
in good meats and sausages.

You could pay attention to the recent findings on the evident lack of
great health associated with low fat diets.

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2)When I started the "net" carbs concept was very controversial,
is it still so? Can I subtract all fiber grams from a carb count?
Can I do this during induction?

You must understand that in the USA, the USDA regulations require that
indigestible fiber MUST be included in the carbohydrate calorie count
(actually reported as the carbohydrate gram weight) ... even though it
is incapable of being digested by humans.

This harks back to the Oxygen Bomb Calorimeter method for food calorie
content of the very late 1800's and early 1900's as a means to determine
calories in food. In the Oxygen Bomb Calorimeter, the indigestible fiber
burns and creates a recorded calorie content of food.

Subtracting the indigestible fiber from the total carbohydrate is not
really that controversial.

The big problem is people not knowing what they are doing and
subtracting it in the wrong ways..... such as in some (foreign) foods,
the fiber carbs are taken out of the carb count already, and are still
reported seperately as fiber carbs. Then those ambitious to cut the carb
counts will subtract these fiber carbs again -- for the second time --
and get some pretty silly results.

You will find others here who have written on the correct way.... and
that too is in the Atkins book and other diet books now. No big deal.

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3)Any second timer around people on the list that have successfully managed the maintance transition?
If so any words of wisdom?

4)Any suggestions for Fast Food breakfast with out all the sausage nitrates?
(One of my current problems is that our house is being remodeled and we are without a kitchen for the next 6 to 8 weeks.)

Paul

--
1) Eat Till SATISFIED, Not STUFFED... Atkins repeated 9 times in the book
2) Exercise: It's Non-Negotiable..... Chapter 22 title, Atkins book
3) Don't Diet Without Supplimental Nutrients... Chapter 23 title, Atkins
book
4) A sensible eating plan, and follow it. (Atkins, Self Made or Other)

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jbuch jbuch@CUT_HERE.revealed.net said:

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I successfully did LC in 98 and lost 45 pounds.
My cholesterol when from very high to normal, and
my concentration and energy level were greatly improved.

I've totaly failed at maintance. LC takes a lot of work
and once I took my eye off the scale I gained it all back.

Yes, maintaining the weight loss is something you have to work on every
day, and almost every meal and almost every snack.

Bummer.... it has to become a way of life.

I make mistakes and keep having to come back again and again.... and
probably so will you.

Maintenance long-term is ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE harder than loss.
--
********************
Wayne Crannell
Atkins+ 10/21/01
249/142 (9/10/02)
********************

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I successfully did LC in 98 and lost 45 pounds.
My cholesterol when from very high to normal, and
my concentration and energy level were greatly improved.

Makes you wonder why you ever quit, doesn't it?

Lesson learned - While low carbing may be *easy to stay on* that's
VERY different from it being *hard to fall off*. No diet ever devised
has been hard to fall off. But being easy to stay on, ah that
triggers the temptation.

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I've totaly failed at maintance. LC takes a lot of work
and once I took my eye off the scale I gained it all back.

I struggle to keep about half of my best loss.

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I've started on induction today and added asdlc back to my news group list ;-)

Welcome home.

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A lot of studies have been done on LC in the last 8 years so I was hoping that some of
the regulars could answer some questions:

There have been plenty of studies but the answers haven't changed.

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1)I found that after induction LC was a very effective appitite supressant.
Have any studies been done on why this is?

Plenty of studies, still the original answer. On LC there are no
insulin
swings and a hypoglycemic event triggers cravings. No insulin
wings, no carb cravings. And since Atkins done according the the
directions is high fat, there aren't any cravings for greasy food
either.

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On my first pass I ate a lot of saturated fat,
if one tries to do a leaner version of LC is the appatite suppresion still there?

You've made an illogical leap there. Going leaner isn't the only
or the correct way to reduce saturated fat.

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I'm thinking that I'll add more "good" fats like avacado, olive oil etc.. and reduce
my red meat consumption.

There ya go. More polyunsaturated and/or monounsaturated
fat. Good stuff.

Step one in dealing with fat: Go inside your brain and delete the
falsehoods about saturated fat being a problem.

Step two in dealing with fat: Go inside your brain and delete the
falsehood that cutting fat is a good idea. In fact, cutting protein
is ahead of cutting fat for most people. More dietary fat means
more fat withdrawn from storage, and the way to acheive more
dietary fat is to balance with less dietary protein to keep from
overeating.

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2)When I started the "net" carbs concept was very controversial,
is it still so? Can I subtract all fiber grams from a carb count?
Can I do this during induction?

The "net" carbs concept is still controvertial but not over fiber.
There's never been any debate that insoluble fiber can be
deducted. Looking at carb counts from the Atkins books as
far back as 1972 will show him deducting insoluble fiber.
Since labels don't tell insoluble from soluble, in 2003 deducting
any fiber was added to the process. It was one of the last
changes Dr A made while he lived.

What does deducting fiber mean? More veggies between day
1 and the week you find your CCLL. Definitely a good thing.
And if you use the ketosis to find your CCLL you'll end up
eating the exact same food with or without fiber deduction,
just with a different number.

What remains controvertial is deducting stuff other than fiber.
I happen to be on the side against deducting anything else.
Sugar alcohols, "effective" grams from foods that claim to not
be digested, you name it I'm agin deducting it. This is because
I like to start conservative and let the process move me to the
limits determined by my body. If my body is okay with sugar
alcohols and such, then the process will take my there in
due time is my stance. Others love to accept all the claims on
assorted labels. Many take a middle road on the issue.

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3)Any second timer around people on the list that have successfully managed the maintance transition?
If so any words of wisdom?

Maintenance last forever and it's all about not having a new high.
That's very-very different from being able to measure progress
with a new low on the scale every week. The temptations never
stop. The peer pressure to eat so-called healthy high-carb
low-fat food never stops, and the peer pressure to eat junk never
stops.

My best advice is you have to ask yourself if you really want to
be gaining it all back. It's not about patience. It's about
deciding not to gain it all back. Every time food goes past you.

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4)Any suggestions for Fast Food breakfast with out all the sausage nitrates?
(One of my current problems is that our house is being remodeled and we are without a kitchen for the next 6 to 8 weeks.)

What's the concern about nitrates? Just trying to have unprocessed
food? Leftovers work great.

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Maintenance last forever and it's all about not having a new high.
That's very-very different from being able to measure progress
with a new low on the scale every week. The temptations never
stop. The peer pressure to eat so-called healthy high-carb
low-fat food never stops, and the peer pressure to eat junk never
stops.

My best advice is you have to ask yourself if you really want to
be gaining it all back. It's not about patience. It's about
deciding not to gain it all back. Every time food goes past you.

From a lurker: Thanks for this; I'm down 12 pounds since 1/1/06 and have
been coming to these realities on my own .... still good to see them in
print.

JV