some hearsay about WLS

Cubit wrote:
:: I read this account, by "Robin" and thought it might be relevant
:: here.

Dude...leave it alone.

Cubit said:

I read this account, by "Robin" and thought it might be relevant here.

" I have 3 friends who have had that surgery....

The exteme fear (for yourself) and ignorance permeates your
posts. There are over 100,000 various forms of weightloss surgery
performed each year. What you don't know about WLS would fill a
swimming pool. What you think you know might fill a thimble. If you
had bothered to actually study the topic you may have found out just
how little you understand about WLS beyond your fear and ignorance.

Laureen is fine. Give it a rest. Perhaps that is a pale shade
of green coloring your vision?
Lee Rodgers
Lowcarb Retreat http://www.lowcarb.org
CHAT http://www.lowcarb.org/parachat.html
Low-Carb Connoisseur http://www.low-carb.com

One could find similar anecdotes about any elective surgery, exercise
plan, eating approach, internal combustion vehicle, sport, etc., etc.,
etc. Don't forget all the people whose friends tried "the Atkins"
and then had their kidneys fall out!

Many, many people in this world have used weight loss surgery as part
of their weight loss approach. I think Laureen has a fantastic
attitude, and I think she's much more likely to be one of the "success
stories" than otherwise.

I don't know if it's a choice I'd make for myself, but neither I, nor
you, know Laureen's experience as well as she does, or understand her
health situation as well as her doctors do. If she's happy, her
family's happy, and her doctors are happy, then for heaven's sake, all
of us should either cheer her on or stay the heck out of it.

Grrr!

T.

I'll assume Roger, that you are concerned with my becoming increasingly
unpopular here.

If one were to believe the replies that claim I have said or thought various
things that are not evidenced by my actual posts, one might be outraged.

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Cubit wrote:
:: I read this account, by "Robin" and thought it might be relevant
:: here.

Dude...leave it alone.

"Cubit" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

|| " I have 3 friends who have had that surgery....the first one had
|| horrifying hair loss....daily vomiting even almost a year later,
I will stick with the Atkins and spare myself
|| the knife......That surgery scares me! "

*snip the halloween stories*

You are an unbelievably insensitive, cruel idiot. You post this trash
to purposely scare Laureen who just had GPS? Do you go into cardiac
wards in the hospital and tell horror stories to the patients about
people you know who have had cardiac bypass surgery?

Get a hobby.
--
Peter
website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo

was it an exercept from A Series of Unfortunate Events?

Book 13 - Weightloss Woes????

Cubit said:

I read this account, by "Robin" and thought it might be relevant here.

Non-sense. When I made my post, Laureen had disappeared for a few days and
we were getting reports through a third party.

My post did not mention Laureen.

I made the post thinking that some may be giving up on their diet. I
happened upon the item I quoted that morning, so I did a copy and paste.

You edited my post in your reply to make it appear that my quoting someone
else was actually my words.

If Laureen has a "GPS" does that mean she won't get lost? (This is making
fun of Marengo's typo.)

"marengo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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You are an unbelievably insensitive, cruel idiot. You post this trash
to purposely scare Laureen who just had GPS? Do you go into cardiac
wards in the hospital and tell horror stories to the patients about
people you know who have had cardiac bypass surgery?

Get a hobby.
--
Peter
website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo

You're a [censored] Cubit. Why dont you go slit your wrists and crawl into
the bathtub and get it over with. You are such a miserable soul the way
you spread your doom and gloom and negativity. Go ahead do it! Your not
to popular in here anyway. We wont miss you!

TTFN, I'm off to see The Wizard today, of course I 'm going to shop my
heart out while we are in Seattle. Oh Life is good. Gotta have all my
fun before I DIE!!!!.

Cubit wrote:

:: I made the post thinking that some may be giving up on their diet.
:: I happened upon the item I quoted that morning, so I did a copy and
:: paste.

This is not the first time WLS has been mentioned here. The last time I
remember someone posting about considering it (which is NOT what Laureen
did), lots of responses were given about the downsides of such an option.

The point is now: LEAVE IT ALONE. You don't need to be playing father
figure for all the hopeless overweight dieters out there by trying to guide
them away from WLS (you are way too much of an anti-social for that). The
best thing you can do along these lines is to be successful in your own
journey for weight loss and improved health.

Lead by example rather than posting BS hearsay.

Roger, Like I said earlier. I could have never said a word. I could of
melted away quietly and never said anything to anyone, posted some
picks, and said " Look at me, I buckled down and look at what low
carbing did for me!!", but that would have not been fair would it? Im
an honest person, a nice person (ok most of the time) arent I? LOL. I
knew the ones in here like you would support me, maybe not think I was
doing the right thing, but support me anyway. I live in America and
have the right to make my own healthcare decisions, I did! 🙂
Laureen, Smilin all the way to the scale

Laureen wrote:
:: Roger, Like I said earlier. I could have never said a word. I could
:: of melted away quietly and never said anything to anyone, posted some
:: picks, and said " Look at me, I buckled down and look at what low
:: carbing did for me!!",

Maybe that's what cubit is doing 🙂

but that would have not been fair would it? Im
:: an honest person, a nice person (ok most of the time) arent I? LOL. I
:: knew the ones in here like you would support me, maybe not think I
:: was doing the right thing, but support me anyway. I live in America
:: and have the right to make my own healthcare decisions, I did! 🙂
:: Laureen, Smilin all the way to the scale

Keep smilin, hun!

"Cubit" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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time.....None of them died but I know at least 2 of them might have
had serious regrets about having done it. The really crazy thing is
that with the first one...she had the surgery and her doctor told her
she had to eat low carb basically for the rest of her life...... IMHO
she could have done that without going under the knife....She is very
sensitive about it so we don't talk about it but I know it has been
frustrating for her to find out post surgery that she was still going
to have to eat according to an eating plan that she tried and could
not do pre-surgery..... I will stick with the Atkins and spare myself
the knife......That surgery scares me! "

The article I read in Prevention was about 3 sisters who had WLS, they all
said they no longer had the appetite they used to. A lot of the stuff they
used to like to eat just wasn't appealing anymore.

--
No Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes

"Laureen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Roger, Like I said earlier. I could have never said a word. I could of
melted away quietly and never said anything to anyone, posted some
picks, and said " Look at me, I buckled down and look at what low
carbing did for me!!", but that would have not been fair would it? Im
an honest person, a nice person (ok most of the time) arent I? LOL. I
knew the ones in here like you would support me, maybe not think I was
doing the right thing, but support me anyway. I live in America and
have the right to make my own healthcare decisions, I did! 🙂
Laureen, Smilin all the way to the scale

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I'm not aware of your posting history Laureen. From what I gather the
low-carb diet didn't work for you for some reason. Or didn't work when you
tried it the second time around. Care to share those reasons with the
newbies here or those who left for awhile? Were you unable to stick to the
diet? I couldn't get it to work for me either after the initial 46 lb
loss. After 2 years of low-carbing without success I just had to switch
diets, at least for awhile.
--
Wysong
Age 60. Height 5'6"
Starting date: 1/8/05
171/ 165 / 140 lb
Starting date LC 7/01 at 207lbs
Stopped losing on LC 11/01 at 165lbs
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"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Cubit wrote:

[snip]

Quoted message said:

The point is now: LEAVE IT ALONE. You don't need to be playing father
figure for all the hopeless overweight dieters out there by trying to

guide

Quoted message said:

them away from WLS (you are way too much of an anti-social for that). The
best thing you can do along these lines is to be successful in your own
journey for weight loss and improved health.

"hopeless overweight dieters" - Despite the statistics, I firmly believe it
is not hopeless.

"anti-social" - I am not anti-social. However, I do march to my own
drummer, and I do not join crowds in leaping over cliffs.

"be successful in your own journey" - Without thinking, I want to shout, "I
AM." However, the journey takes time, and I'm not yet at goal. Barring
serious physical illness or injury, I shall be passing my goal in a timely
manner.

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Lead by example rather than posting BS hearsay.

"lead by example" - I've been doing that.

"BS hearsay" - I fully expected that someone else would pop up to mention
the downside of WLS. If they had, I would not have broached the issue.
Unfortunately, I have done a poor job of making the case. I find WLS so
disturbing, I do not want to do the research that would be needed for a
proper presentation. Rather than pointing out the risks of WLS, I would
rather make a case that anyone can regain control of weight. That will be a
tough case to make. I've started with the man in the mirror....

Hi Laureen. When you are not upset, I really like how you express yourself.

I admire your courage.

"doom and gloom and negativity" - My view, that obesity can be conquered,
is the opposite of that. It is the height of optimism.

"Laureen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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You're a [censored] Cubit. Why dont you go slit your wrists and crawl into
the bathtub and get it over with. You are such a miserable soul the way
you spread your doom and gloom and negativity. Go ahead do it! Your not
to popular in here anyway. We wont miss you!

TTFN, I'm off to see The Wizard today, of course I 'm going to shop my
heart out while we are in Seattle. Oh Life is good. Gotta have all my
fun before I DIE!!!!.

Cubit said:

"BS hearsay" - I fully expected that someone else would pop up to mention
the downside of WLS. If they had, I would not have broached the issue.

No one is going to do that. This group has historically been in love
with the whole idea of WLS. I think they bring the brouchures into the
john for some one-handed reading, if you know what I mean. And now
anyone who says anything will be accused of being non-supportive by
thirty-five different posters and then have to read one single very
long paragraph full of curse words. No thanks.

Quoted message said:

Unfortunately, I have done a poor job of making the case. I find WLS so
disturbing, I do not want to do the research that would be needed for a
proper presentation. Rather than pointing out the risks of WLS, I would
rather make a case that anyone can regain control of weight. That will be a
tough case to make. I've started with the man in the mirror....

--
214.5/212/160

Sophie King Watt said:

Quoted message said:

"BS hearsay" - I fully expected that someone else would pop up to
mention the downside of WLS. If they had, I would not have
broached the
issue.

No one is going to do that. This group has historically been in
love with the whole idea of WLS. I think they bring the brouchures
into
the john for some one-handed reading, if you know what I mean. And
now
anyone who says anything will be accused of being non-supportive by
thirty-five different posters and then have to read one single very
long paragraph full of curse words. No thanks.

Snip

Oh, you again. Something about you seemed familiar so I Googled.
Why are you back? In this group of all places?

Carmen
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Please note change in Reply To address carmensrt <at> gmail <dot> com
Hotmail isn't working and is being abandoned

In article <2005021018122716807%sophiekingwatt@comcastnet>, sophieking-
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Cubit said:

"BS hearsay" - I fully expected that someone else would pop up to mention
the downside of WLS. If they had, I would not have broached the issue.

No one is going to do that. This group has historically been in love
with the whole idea of WLS. I think they bring the brouchures into the

I disagree with the notion that people here are "in love with the whole
idea of WLS". However, when someone here decides to have it (or comes
in admitting to already having had it done), that's THEIR decision.
When it's someone we've come to know over time, like Laureen, we are
certainly more likely to be supportive of her decision.

Frankly, I've been reading this group for over 1.5 years now and only
remember one person introducing herself after having had the surgery
and, most recently, Laureen deciding to have (and subsequently having)
it. That's TWO people out of all the people that have posted here in
that span of time, so it's not something that people in asdlc generally
favor since most of us HAVE found that we can gain some control over our
weight via low-carb.

I looked and felt like I was going to POP at 210 lbs and it was having a
significant effect on my health, so I can only IMAGINE how difficult it
must be for someone to weigh 400 lbs and not be able to make much
headway in losing weight over an extended period of time. 400 lbs IS
life-threatening, and sooner rather than later, so surgery DOES make
sense in that case. I was considering it before I tried Atkins, and did
some on-line research, but I didn't WANT to take such a drastic,
permanent step. The prospect of either having surgery or just
continuing to get fatter and fatter was the impetus for deciding to at
least give Atkins a try first -- to my everlasting relief, Atkins works
for ME, but my situation was not so dire. Given how slowly I lose, if I
had started out weighing 400 lbs, I probably WOULD have opted for
surgery if I could afford it.

--
Saffire
205/144/125 - 5'1.5"
Atkins since 6/14/03
Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333

Cubit said:

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Cubit wrote:

[snip]

Quoted message said:

The point is now: LEAVE IT ALONE. You don't need to be playing
father figure for all the hopeless overweight dieters out there by
trying to

guide

Quoted message said:

them away from WLS (you are way too much of an anti-social for
that). The best thing you can do along these lines is to be
successful in your own journey for weight loss and improved health.

"hopeless overweight dieters" - Despite the statistics, I firmly
believe it is not hopeless.

It will be that way for some....no matter what you say or do.

Quoted message said:

"anti-social" - I am not anti-social. However, I do march to my own
drummer, and I do not join crowds in leaping over cliffs.

I'll take your word for me...

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"be successful in your own journey" - Without thinking, I want to
shout, "I AM." However, the journey takes time, and I'm not yet at
goal. Barring serious physical illness or injury, I shall be passing
my goal in a timely manner.

Good.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Lead by example rather than posting BS hearsay.

"lead by example" - I've been doing that.

Then quit posting BS hearsay.

Quoted message said:

"BS hearsay" - I fully expected that someone else would pop up to
mention the downside of WLS. If they had, I would not have broached
the issue. Unfortunately, I have done a poor job of making the case.
I find WLS so disturbing, I do not want to do the research that would
be needed for a proper presentation.

You were doom from the beginning when dealing with someone who has made a
decision and was not asking for your opinion.

Rather than pointing out the

Quoted message said:

risks of WLS, I would rather make a case that anyone can regain
control of weight. That will be a tough case to make. I've started
with the man in the mirror....

Stick to what you're better at....