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  1. Exercise 'may benefit some less'
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4059695.stm

    There may be an explanation for why
    those gym workouts seem not to
    have any effect - US experts suggest
    some people benefit less from
    exercise.

    Louisiana University researchers put
    742 people through a strenuous
    20-week endurance training
    programme.

    Measures such as oxygen
    consumption improved in some, but not in others, New
    Scientist magazine
    revealed.

    UK sports experts said people did differ - and that
    was why they should have
    tailored exercise programmes.

    The researchers selected the
    volunteers from 213 families,

    None of the participants had
    undertaken regular physical activity for
    the previous six months.

    All were asked to use exercise bikes. By the last six
    weeks of the study, they
    were exercising for 50 minutes, three times a week,
    at 75% of the maximum
    output they were capable of before the study.

    Differences

    Previous research had suggested that people do vary
    in their "trainability" -
    how much improvement is likely to be seen after an
    exercise regime.

    In this study, the researchers found training
    improved maximum oxygen
    consumption, a measure of a person's ability to
    perform well, by an average
    of 17%.

    But the most "trainable" participants improved by 40%
    - and the least
    showed no improvement at all.

    Similar patterns were seen when other fitness
    measures such as cardiac
    output, blood pressure, heart rate were checked.

    When the researchers looked at insulin resistance, a
    marker of risk for heart
    disease and diabetes, they found it had improved in
    58% of participants
    following the exercise regime but stayed the same, or
    even fell, in 42%.

    The team also compared the eight who showed the
    highest improvement in
    insulin sensitivity and the eight who had least.

    The study was presented to the Australian Health and
    Medical Research
    Congress in Sydney.

    Claude Bouchard, who led the research, said: "There
    is an astounding
    variation in the response to exercise.

    "The vast majority will benefit in some way, but
    there will be a minority who
    will not benefit at all."

    Kathryn North of the Institute of Neuromuscular
    Research at the Children's
    Hospital at Westmead, Sydney, said: "It's negative,
    but it's true. Some people
    slog away and don't get any improvement."

    Mark Hargreaves, of Deakin University, Melbourne,
    added: "We need to
    recognise that, although on average exercise may have
    clear benefits, it may
    not work for everyone.

    "Some people may do better to change their diet."

    But Sam Howells, senior sports physiologist at
    Lilleshall Sports Injury and
    Human Performance Centre, said: "It would be worrying
    if these findings
    deterred people from exercising.

    "What this study shows is that everyone is unique.

    "That's why fitness programmes should be tailored to
    an individual's needs.

    "But everyone should do something to try to stay
    fit."

    Linda Bishop Bailey, of the Institute of Sport and
    Recreation Management,
    said: "This research will be music to the ears of the
    UK's army of couch
    potatoes.

    She added: "Although this study focuses on the
    physical benefits of exercise
    we mustn't forget that there are other benefits too.
    Fitness is fun and has
    psychological benefits such as helping to combat
    stress.

    "Worryingly at this time of year gyms across the UK
    see a lot of people who
    have over indulged at Christmas and try to make up
    for it by binge-exercising
    in the New Year.

    "When they don't see immediate results they get
    de-motivated and give up."

  2. Quoted message said:

    Some get no benefit from exercise

    Hmmmph. It's hard to benefit from exercise improperly done and without
    real motivation; but everyone bennefits from exercise PROPERLY DONE.

  3. User said:

    Some get no benefit from exercise

    True, if you define "benefit" narrowly enough.

    Cheers,
    --
    Donovan Rebbechi
    http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

  4. I cannot remember the fellow's name but he spoke to our lab about exercise
    and cholesterol. A study they had done had a lot of people whose
    cholesterol did not change with an increase in activity. When the
    scientists looked at some genetic markers, the non-responders were found to
    have a gene that expressed itself that seems to blunt the effect of
    exercise. No matter how much exercise they did, their cholesterol was not
    going to respond. LESSON: Not everyone will get every benefit from
    exercise.

    I am not surprised that some people do not benefit in some ways from
    exercise. Bouchard has shown that "trainability" has a hereditary factor.

    "Donovan Rebbechi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    User said:

    Some get no benefit from exercise

    True, if you define "benefit" narrowly enough.

    Cheers,
    --
    Donovan Rebbechi
    http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

  5. Quoted message said:

    I cannot remember the fellow's name but he spoke to our lab about exercise


    and cholesterol. A study they had done had a lot of people whose
    cholesterol did not change with an increase in activity. When the
    scientists looked at some genetic markers, the non-responders were
    found to
    have a gene that expressed itself that seems to blunt the effect of
    exercise. No matter how much exercise they did, their cholesterol was
    not
    going to respond. LESSON: Not everyone will get every benefit from
    exercise.>

    So you are trying to say that running only effects cholesterol? And if
    it doesn't then they got nothing out of it?
    BS!

  6. What kind of losers have time to participate in a study? Lonely people
    who crave attention. Alot of them may have been exercising before the
    study but wanted free training or health care or maybe they were paid
    to participate in study. scientists are so naive when they design
    theses studies.

  7. Two other factors:

    This WAS only bike riding. Nothing here about other forms of exercise,
    like running or the elliptical machine, which tend to involve a lot more
    of the body than biking (I biked for years, but never started to see or
    feel physical improvements until I joined a gym and hit the elliptical
    machine, and, later, started running).

    And no mention of the DIET of these study participants. Were they all on
    the same food regimen, or did the percentage who saw no benefit go home
    and devour pizza and ice cream?

    I'm sure that -- as with learning or creative arts or athletic skill --
    ther are some people who are more trainable than others. But I'm not sure
    this study has established that.

    "gty" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:1118528389.659274.36140
    @g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

    Quoted message said:

    What kind of losers have time to participate in a study? Lonely people
    who crave attention. Alot of them may have been exercising before the
    study but wanted free training or health care or maybe they were paid
    to participate in study. scientists are so naive when they design
    theses studies.

  8. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I cannot remember the fellow's name but he spoke to our lab about
    exercise


    and cholesterol. A study they had done had a lot of people whose
    cholesterol did not change with an increase in activity. When the
    scientists looked at some genetic markers, the non-responders were
    found to
    have a gene that expressed itself that seems to blunt the effect of
    exercise. No matter how much exercise they did, their cholesterol was
    not
    going to respond. LESSON: Not everyone will get every benefit from
    exercise.>

    So you are trying to say that running only effects cholesterol? And if
    it doesn't then they got nothing out of it?
    BS!

    Just using this as an example that is very clear cut.

  9. Sure...what scientific training do you have?

    "gty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    What kind of losers have time to participate in a study? Lonely people
    who crave attention. Alot of them may have been exercising before the
    study but wanted free training or health care or maybe they were paid
    to participate in study. scientists are so naive when they design
    theses studies.

  10. For the most part, exercise is exercise. Most of the adaptations that take
    place occur regardless of the mode of the activity.

    I would have to look at the study, but the participants were probably told
    not to alter their diet otherwise you get a lot of confounding variables.

    Trainability is highly hereditary. You can PubMed a search for Bouchard and
    see his work from the HERITAGE study.

    "Newsdude" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Two other factors:

    This WAS only bike riding. Nothing here about other forms of exercise,
    like running or the elliptical machine, which tend to involve a lot more
    of the body than biking (I biked for years, but never started to see or
    feel physical improvements until I joined a gym and hit the elliptical
    machine, and, later, started running).

    And no mention of the DIET of these study participants. Were they all on
    the same food regimen, or did the percentage who saw no benefit go home
    and devour pizza and ice cream?

    I'm sure that -- as with learning or creative arts or athletic skill --
    ther are some people who are more trainable than others. But I'm not sure
    this study has established that.

    "gty" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:1118528389.659274.36140
    @g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

    Quoted message said:

    What kind of losers have time to participate in a study? Lonely people
    who crave attention. Alot of them may have been exercising before the
    study but wanted free training or health care or maybe they were paid
    to participate in study. scientists are so naive when they design
    theses studies.


  11. I've done economic studies and obviously know alot about statistics and
    how studies are structured.

  12. "gty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I've done economic studies and obviously know alot about statistics
    and
    how studies are structured.

    And how a cat becomes a aspen tree with statistics - "Damned Lies With
    Statistics" and "More Damned Llies With Satistics." Suiggesting you
    know stats does not convince anyone of anything.

    -DF

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