Some GC riders in this year's TdF

Dieter Buerssner said:

8. Christophe Moreau (FRA/C.A) 12:28.
16. Richard Virenque (FRA/QST) 25:31.
20. Didier Rous (FRA/BLB) 30:14.
21. Laurent Dufaux (SUI/ALS) 33:17.
23. Félix Garcia Casas (ESP/BIA) 47:07.
33. Laurent Brochard (FRA/A2R) 1 h 09:35.
40. Patrice Halgand (FRA/DEL) 1 h 30:42.
65. Laurent Lefèvre (FRA/DEL) 2 h 03:39.

What do they have in common?

Dieter

They're Freach and they suck? nope that's not it.... Oh wait they all have signed with QSD for 2004?

Fred Marx said:

Dieter Buerssner said:

8. Christophe Moreau (FRA/C.A) 12:28.
16. Richard Virenque (FRA/QST) 25:31.
20. Didier Rous (FRA/BLB) 30:14.
21. Laurent Dufaux (SUI/ALS) 33:17.
23. Félix Garcia Casas (ESP/BIA) 47:07.
33. Laurent Brochard (FRA/A2R) 1 h 09:35.
40. Patrice Halgand (FRA/DEL) 1 h 30:42.
65. Laurent Lefèvre (FRA/DEL) 2 h 03:39.

What do they have in common? Dieter

They're Freach and they suck? nope that's not it.... Oh wait they all have signed with QSD
for 2004?

They've done their time (well, maybe Virenque should have done a little more, but I probably feel
that way because I'm not french...) for the Festina doping scandal. BTW anyone else notice the guys
with the big hypodermic chasing Virenque in the tour? :-)

Is this an unusually high finish compared to the members of other teams of the festina era who rode
in the 2003 tour? If so, let's do a statistical analysis and I'l write an article for Le Monde
"proving" that the most popular and best loved cyclists in France are doping compared to their
counterparts. Virenque even wrote in his book "Ma Verité" (rough translation- "It's Not About the
Syringe"😉, that he'd dope again if he was sure not to get caught.

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Fred Marx said:

Dieter Buerssner said:

8. Christophe Moreau (FRA/C.A) 12:28.
16. Richard Virenque (FRA/QST) 25:31.
20. Didier Rous (FRA/BLB) 30:14.
21. Laurent Dufaux (SUI/ALS) 33:17.
23. Félix Garcia Casas (ESP/BIA) 47:07.
33. Laurent Brochard (FRA/A2R) 1 h 09:35.
40. Patrice Halgand (FRA/DEL) 1 h 30:42.
65. Laurent Lefèvre (FRA/DEL) 2 h 03:39.

What do they have in common? Dieter

They're Freach and they suck? nope that's not it.... Oh wait they all have signed with QSD
for 2004?

They've done their time (well, maybe Virenque should have done a little more, but I probably feel
that way because I'm not french...) for the Festina doping scandal. BTW anyone else notice the
guys with the big hypodermic chasing Virenque in the tour? :-)

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trg said:

Is this an unusually high finish compared to the members of other teams of the festina era who
rode in the 2003 tour? If so, let's do a statistical analysis and I'l write an article for Le
Monde "proving" that the most popular and best loved cyclists in France are doping compared to
their counterparts. Virenque even wrote in his book "Ma Verité" (rough translation- "It's Not
About the Syringe"😉, that he'd dope again if he was sure not to get caught.

Hey, trg, did you read the article in Le Monde from perhaps last Friday or Saturday that said that
there were actually 30 positives during the TdF rather than just one?

Yes I read it. But they didn't describe what is meant by "testing positive" and for what substance.
And what level. Obviously there were no UCI rules infractions or the riders would have been exposed
like Llorente. Supposedly, the type and level of substances permitted is enough for therapeutic or
medical reasons but not enough for performance enhancement. The article didn't once mention that
those riders testing "positive" were conforming with UCI regulations and if the they had a problem
with the "positives", they should look at the regs and not the riders who were following them.

And then that bit of chauvanism at the end about how only 2 of the teams with positives were French
showed that the teams in France were more concerned about bad press then foreign teams. Not
mentioning that France has stricter controls than other countries so maybe that's why although 27%
of the TdF teams were French (6/22), only 15% of the "positive" teams were
(2/13). Just ask Igor who can't race in France, but can in other places.

Anyway, I think the CPLD has 3 months in which to decide if they want to take action against those
"positives" like they did with Igor.

A+

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Quoted message said:

trg said:

Is this an unusually high finish compared to the members of other teams of the festina era who
rode in the 2003 tour? If so, let's do a statistical analysis and I'l write an article for Le
Monde "proving" that the most popular and best loved cyclists in France are doping compared to
their counterparts. Virenque even wrote in his book "Ma Verité" (rough translation- "It's Not
About the Syringe"😉, that he'd dope again if he was sure not to get caught.

Hey, trg, did you read the article in Le Monde from perhaps last Friday or Saturday that said that
there were actually 30 positives during the TdF rather than just one?

trg said:

Yes I read it. But they didn't describe what is meant by "testing positive" and for what
substance. And what level. Obviously there were no UCI rules infractions or the riders would have
been exposed like Llorente. Supposedly, the type and level of substances permitted is enough for
therapeutic or medical reasons but not enough for performance enhancement. The article didn't once
mention that those riders testing "positive" were conforming with UCI regulations and if the they
had a problem with the "positives", they should look at the regs and not the riders who were
following them.

And then that bit of chauvanism at the end about how only 2 of the teams with positives were
French showed that the teams in France were more concerned about bad press then foreign teams. Not
mentioning that France has stricter controls than other countries so maybe that's why although 27%
of the TdF teams were French (6/22), only 15% of the "positive" teams were (2/13). Just ask Igor
who can't race in France, but can in other places.

Anyway, I think the CPLD has 3 months in which to decide if they want to take action against those
"positives" like they did with Igor.

A+

I just dug up the sidebar article that describes what was meant by "testing positive." It's still in
the free archive at: tinyurl.comjv98Open ↗

Anyway, I, too, thought the article was a tad disingenuous.

Richard Adams said:

They've done their time (well, maybe Virenque should have done a little more, but I probably feel
that way because I'm not french...) for the Festina doping scandal.

Yes. Although I am not sure whether I fully understand the part in parentheses.

Quoted message said:

BTW anyone else notice the guys with the big
hypodermic chasing Virenque in the tour? :-)

My English is not good enough, to understand this, either.

My point simply was (inspired by another discussion, not on this newsgroup): 8 former Festina riders
did surprisingly well - not?

Regards, Dieter

Dieter Buerssner said:

Richard Adams said:

BTW anyone else notice the guys with the big hypodermic chasing Virenque in the tour? :-)

My English is not good enough, to understand this, either.

Because of hypodermic, right? Go to dict.leo.orgdict.leo.orgOpen ↗ and become a fisherman.

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Quoted message said:

Richard Adams said:

They've done their time (well, maybe Virenque should have done a little more, but I probably
feel that way because I'm not french...) for the Festina doping scandal.

Yes. Although I am not sure whether I fully understand the part in parentheses.

Quoted message said:

BTW anyone else notice the guys with the big
hypodermic chasing Virenque in the tour? :-)

My English is not good enough, to understand this, either.

My point simply was (inspired by another discussion, not on this newsgroup): 8 former Festina
riders did surprisingly well - not?

Regards, Dieter

Yeah. This dude kicked ass!

65. Laurent Lefèvre (FRA/DEL) 2 h 03:39.

Ewoud Dronkert said:

Dieter Buerssner said:

Richard Adams said:

BTW anyone else notice the guys with the big hypodermic chasing Virenque in the tour? :-)

My English is not good enough, to understand this, either.

Because of hypodermic, right? Go to dict.leo.orgdict.leo.orgOpen ↗ and become a fisherman.

Actually it was (is) more a comprehension problem. I could guess, that hypodermic means something
like "under the skin" (but I looked it up now).

Dieter

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Dieter Buerssner said:

Richard Adams said:

BTW anyone else notice the guys with the big hypodermic chasing Virenque in the tour? :-)

My English is not good enough, to understand this, either.

Me neither, what the hell are you talking about?

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Because of hypodermic, right? Go to dict.leo.orgdict.leo.orgOpen ↗ and become a fisherman.

Dashii