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  1. My blood sugar was rising so I went to my GP. He said don't worry just take your glucophage. Three
    weeks later I went back with a blood sugar of 600! He said "don't worry - just keep taking your
    glucophage".

    I left the exam room and proceeded to walk to the front door. The GP said "wait - don't you want to
    schedule a follow up?"

    I chuckled a bit as I closed the door in his face.

    Found a new GP who immediatley admitted me to the hospital and started me on insulin. He also
    started me on 40 hours of diabetes classes and sent me to a endocrinologist who showed me the
    low carb way of eating. I'm also excercising and loosing weight. According to my meter, my
    average BG is 130.

    That was 1 year ago. I saw a sign in my old GP's office window last month as I drove by. It said
    "CLOSED".......

    Thank god that moron is out of buisness....

    Ken

  2. Maybe he died from taking his own advice. ;-)

    --
    Cheri
    Type 2, no meds for now.

    Ken Bessler wrote in message ...

    Quoted message said:

    My blood sugar was rising so I went to my GP. He said don't
    worry just take your glucophage. Three weeks later I went
    back with a blood sugar of 600! He said "don't worry - just
    keep taking your glucophage".

    I left the exam room and proceeded to walk to the front door.
    The GP said "wait - don't you want to schedule a follow up?"

    I chuckled a bit as I closed the door in his face.

    Found a new GP who immediatley admitted me to the hospital
    and started me on insulin. He also started me on 40 hours of
    diabetes classes and sent me to a endocrinologist who showed
    me the low carb way of eating. I'm also excercising and loosing
    weight. According to my meter, my average BG is 130.

    That was 1 year ago. I saw a sign in my old GP's office window
    last month as I drove by. It said "CLOSED".......

    Thank god that moron is out of buisness....

    Ken

  3. Good for you!!!! We need to be our own advocates. c

    "Ken Bessler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
    berlin.de...

    Quoted message said:

    My blood sugar was rising so I went to my GP. He said don't worry just take your glucophage. Three
    weeks later I went back with a blood sugar of 600! He said "don't worry - just keep taking your
    glucophage".

    I left the exam room and proceeded to walk to the front door. The GP said "wait - don't you want
    to schedule a follow up?"

    I chuckled a bit as I closed the door in his face.

    Found a new GP who immediatley admitted me to the hospital and started me on insulin. He also
    started me on 40 hours of diabetes classes and sent me to a endocrinologist who showed me the
    low carb way of eating. I'm also excercising and loosing weight. According to my meter, my
    average BG is 130.

    That was 1 year ago. I saw a sign in my old GP's office window last month as I drove by. It said
    "CLOSED".......

    Thank god that moron is out of buisness....

    Ken

  4. Ken Bessler said this...

    Quoted message said:

    My blood sugar was rising so I went to my GP. He said don't worry just take your glucophage. Three
    weeks later I went back with a blood sugar of 600! He said "don't worry - just keep taking your
    glucophage".

    I left the exam room and proceeded to walk to the front door. The GP said "wait - don't you want
    to schedule a follow up?"

    I chuckled a bit as I closed the door in his face.

    Found a new GP who immediatley admitted me to the hospital and started me on insulin. He also
    started me on 40 hours of diabetes classes and sent me to a endocrinologist who showed me the
    low carb way of eating. I'm also excercising and loosing weight. According to my meter, my
    average BG is 130.

    That was 1 year ago. I saw a sign in my old GP's office window last month as I drove by. It said
    "CLOSED".......

    Thank god that moron is out of buisness....

    Ken


    was his name Shipman by any chance?

    R
    --
    Are we havin' fun yet?

    www.flyingrat.net

  5. Just an aside: Some patients are complete morons and uneducable. Matt

    Ken Bessler said:

    My blood sugar was rising so I went to my GP. He said don't worry just take your glucophage. Three
    weeks later I went back with a blood sugar of 600! He said "don't worry - just keep taking your
    glucophage".

    I left the exam room and proceeded to walk to the front door. The GP said "wait - don't you want
    to schedule a follow up?"

    I chuckled a bit as I closed the door in his face.

    Found a new GP who immediatley admitted me to the hospital and started me on insulin. He also
    started me on 40 hours of diabetes classes and sent me to a endocrinologist who showed me the
    low carb way of eating. I'm also excercising and loosing weight. According to my meter, my
    average BG is 130.

    That was 1 year ago. I saw a sign in my old GP's office window last month as I drove by. It said
    "CLOSED".......

    Thank god that moron is out of buisness....

    Ken

  6. "Flying Rat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    was his name Shipman by any chance?

    R
    --
    Are we havin' fun yet?

    www.flyingrat.net

    Dr. Chad Schroeder, Via Christi Family practice, Wichita, KS

  7. Ken Bessler said this...

    Quoted message said:


    "Flying Rat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    was his name Shipman by any chance?

    R
    --
    Are we havin' fun yet?

    www.flyingrat.net

    Dr. Chad Schroeder, Via Christi Family practice, Wichita, KS


    whoooooooooooooooosh!

    tinyurl.com37bd6

    R
    --
    Are we havin' fun yet?

    www.flyingrat.net

  8. "Ken Bessler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    My blood sugar was rising so I went to my GP. He said don't worry just take your glucophage. Three
    weeks later I went back with a blood sugar of 600! He said "don't worry - just keep taking your
    glucophage".

    I left the exam room and proceeded to walk to the front door. The GP said "wait - don't you want
    to schedule a follow up?"

    I chuckled a bit as I closed the door in his face.

    Found a new GP who immediatley admitted me to the hospital and started me on insulin. He also
    started me on 40 hours of diabetes classes and sent me to a endocrinologist who showed me the
    low carb way of eating. I'm also excercising and loosing weight. According to my meter, my
    average BG is 130.

    That was 1 year ago. I saw a sign in my old GP's office window last month as I drove by. It said
    "CLOSED".......

    Thank god that moron is out of buisness....

    Yep! At least you were told that you had diabetes. I was told by two different Drs. in the same
    office that I did NOT have diabetes. I even had my husband call to verify this because the one Dr.
    had said I had diabetes, then quickly changed his tune when I asked what I should do next. Less than
    a year late, I was in the ER from diabetes complications. One of those Drs. left that practice to go
    work at a hospital that had already filed for bankruptcy. Not sure what became of the other one.

    I went on to find yet another Dr. (GP) who was purported to be the best in the area. She did send me
    to a Neurologist who diagnosed my neuropathy, but both of these Drs. as well as my Endo. and my
    Dermatologist failed to diagnose the Statis Dermatitis on my legs caused by Venous Insufficiency.
    Instead, I suffered from painful ulcers that got infected and time and time again, they blamed me
    for causing the infections by scratching my "psoriasis". Odd thing is when I moved to NY, every Dr.
    I saw here knew immediately what it was and implored me to seek immediate treatment. The second GP
    quit her practice too and went on somewhere else to do pain management. I should imagine she isn't
    doing well with that since I went to her complaining of pain, and inability to walk. She did nothing
    for those things except to dose me up with meds that caused terrible side effects.

    --
    Type 2 users.bestweb.net~jbove

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  9. In the 60's I live in a town of about 30,000 people. We had a couple of doctors of questionable
    quality. The left shortly. Allegedly the doctors policed their own.,

    Of course that was when docs did not run full page ads and considered the patients financial status
    when billing. I did trust them and it was justified in my opinion. Since I have had two surgeries
    recommended that turned out to be not needed, I was referred to a female doc by a doc. Is was nor
    needed in my opinion.

    But two things-- A majority of doc are honest and the society has changed. Today you are a sucker if
    you are honest. Get yours if you can. Result--los of insurance programs and a hard nose attitude
    developing in social security and medicare programs. Should we expect anything else. Guy

    Quoted message said:

    Just an aside: Some patients are complete morons and uneducable. Matt

    Ken Bessler said:

    My blood sugar was rising so I went to my GP. He said don't worry just take your glucophage.
    Three weeks later I went back with a blood sugar of 600! He said "don't worry - just keep taking
    your glucophage".

    I left the exam room and proceeded to walk to the front door. The GP said "wait - don't you want
    to schedule a follow up?"

    I chuckled a bit as I closed the door in his face.

    Found a new GP who immediatley admitted me to the hospital and started me on insulin. He also
    started me on 40 hours of diabetes classes and sent me to a endocrinologist who showed me the low
    carb way of eating. I'm also excercising and loosing weight. According to my meter, my average BG
    is 130.

    That was 1 year ago. I saw a sign in my old GP's office window last month as I drove by. It said
    "CLOSED".......

    Thank god that moron is out of buisness....

    Ken


  10. Ken Bessler said:

    My blood sugar was rising so I went to my GP. He said don't worry just take your glucophage. Three
    weeks later I went back with a blood sugar of 600! He said "don't worry - just keep taking your
    glucophage".

    I left the exam room and proceeded to walk to the front door. The GP said "wait - don't you want to
    schedule a follow up?"

    I chuckled a bit as I closed the door in his face.

    Found a new GP who immediatley admitted me to the hospital and started me on insulin. He also
    started me on 40 hours of diabetes classes and sent me to a endocrinologist who showed me the
    low carb way of eating. I'm also excercising and loosing weight. According to my meter, my
    average BG is 130.

    That was 1 year ago. I saw a sign in my old GP's office window last month as I drove by. It said
    "CLOSED".......

    Thank god that moron is out of buisness....

    Hey, what a success story! congratulations o nhaving the guts to stand up for yourself!

    I'mm glad to hear that you are ALIVE too. Your gut instinct really paid off!

  11. Good for you for having the presence of mind to be your own best
    advocate and walk away from that bozo! It's good that you are seeing an
    endo now (assuming he's not bozo's brother! 🙂 )

    dave

    Ken Bessler said:

    My blood sugar was rising so I went to my GP. He said don't worry just take your glucophage. Three
    weeks later I went back with a blood sugar of 600! He said "don't worry - just keep taking your
    glucophage".

    I left the exam room and proceeded to walk to the front door. The GP said "wait - don't you want
    to schedule a follow up?"

    I chuckled a bit as I closed the door in his face.

    Found a new GP who immediatley admitted me to the hospital and started me on insulin. He also
    started me on 40 hours of diabetes classes and sent me to a endocrinologist who showed me the
    low carb way of eating. I'm also excercising and loosing weight. According to my meter, my
    average BG is 130.

    That was 1 year ago. I saw a sign in my old GP's office window last month as I drove by. It said
    "CLOSED".......

    Thank god that moron is out of buisness....

    Ken

  12. LOL

    Jack the Ripper now Shipman

    /me thinks she's staying far from London!

    --
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    in a world filled with strife and terrorism.

    "Flying Rat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Ken Bessler said this...

    Quoted message said:


    "Flying Rat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    was his name Shipman by any chance?

    R
    --
    Are we havin' fun yet?

    www.flyingrat.net

    Dr. Chad Schroeder, Via Christi Family practice, Wichita, KS


    whoooooooooooooooosh!

    tinyurl.com37bd6

    R
    --
    Are we havin' fun yet?

    www.flyingrat.net

  13. I have been caught out by similar doctors, and there are plenty of narratives from others. Here's my
    dubious input on the matter -

    My opinion is that many if not most doctors look at their job in a similar vein to other jobs - to
    make money; lots of money. In many cases there is a certain level of dedication to provide patient
    care, but problems arise for the patient when the doctor puts the priority on making money ahead of
    the priority of caring. dedication to healing involves maintaining a high level of up-to-date
    knowledge on medicine, and this involves a lot of effort - usually unpaid effort such as reading
    books and other literature as well as

    dollars per hour (or minute?).

    I have come across all types of doctors - those who think of their hip pocket, those who care, and
    those who combine the two to provide excellent care. The problems that doctors treating diabetics
    have is that to provide top care the doctor needs to keep very much up-to-date with diabetes
    management, which has undergone some huge changes in the past few years. Unfortunately it is still
    possible (very likely) to find a doctor whose diabetes management education dates back to the time
    when he got his doctorate, say 1956 or something like that, and hasn't bothered to get any more
    recent knowledge.

    On top of all that, as someone put it, doctors - even the caring ones - have to put up with complete
    moron patients. Those who are told, and who know that they have to change their lifestyle to cope
    with their disease, but do not, indulging and living it up right up until they get their multiple
    bypass, or lose their toes, or get a stroke. It must be frustrating for the doctors to see that
    happen no matter what they say.

    It has been said many times on this newsgroup that with diabetes you have to be partly your own
    doctor. Although you do have to seek medical advice, especially with the initial diagnosis, you
    should never entrust yourself completely to any doctor without doing your own research. This applies
    to most other diseases and ailments. The Internet is a powerful tool in the hands of a thinking and
    intelligent victim of a disease. With moderate effort he or she can wield as much information as the
    best doctors. They can talk to doctors on an even basis.

    I have gone to doctors who, although not yet attuned to the power of the Internet, respect my
    knowledge because of it. They often admit when they don't know the answer to something. I admire
    people like that. I also admire those doctors who have discovered the internet, and who have decided
    to learn from it and then share their own learning with others who are willing to listen. Of course
    Dr. William Biggs comes to mind (I've missed his posts - where is he?).

    Sorry for the long note. Have to have one occasionally.....

    Henry

    "Ken Bessler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
    berlin.de...

    Quoted message said:

    My blood sugar was rising so I went to my GP. He said don't worry just take your glucophage. Three
    weeks later I went back with a blood sugar of 600! He said "don't worry - just keep taking your
    glucophage".

    I left the exam room and proceeded to walk to the front door. The GP said "wait - don't you want
    to schedule a follow up?"

    I chuckled a bit as I closed the door in his face.

    Found a new GP who immediatley admitted me to the hospital and started me on insulin. He also
    started me on 40 hours of diabetes classes and sent me to a endocrinologist who showed me the
    low carb way of eating. I'm also excercising and loosing weight. According to my meter, my
    average BG is 130.

    That was 1 year ago. I saw a sign in my old GP's office window last month as I drove by. It said
    "CLOSED".......

    Thank god that moron is out of buisness....

    Ken

  14. I had a GP that was kind of a moron too. I don't tihnk he would have been so dumb as to have left it
    go if my sugars were 600, but he had me on 2 shots of NPH insulin a day and no regular unless I was
    sky high (which I always was).

    I went to a pharmacy here with a DME shop that sold a lot of diabetic supplies with a knowledgeable
    staff to get a new meter and the one pharmicist gave me the referal of a great endro who is part of
    large diabetes/endrocrine center here that has 5 endros and 2 dieticians and several DNEs on their
    staff and glad I went to the guy. I was immediately put on a sliding scale and taught carb counting.

    I would recomend any diabetic on this board (especially Type I) get an endro for your diabetes and
    not rely on your GP for as your prmiary diabetes care giver. I realize in a lot of smaller
    communities they only have GP's, but I would recomend in those cases to have a GP for other
    illnesses and emergency care and make the hour or 2 drive to see a speciailist. Most Endros only
    need you there every 3 to 4 months if your control is good and the drive is worth it.

    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Some Dr's are COMPLETE MORONS From: Muscle Man [email hidden] Date: 01/14/2004
    11:18 PM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Ken Bessler said:

    My blood sugar was rising so I went to my GP. He said don't worry just take your glucophage. Three
    weeks later I went back with a blood sugar of 600! He said "don't worry - just keep taking your
    glucophage".

    I left the exam room and proceeded to walk to the front door. The GP said "wait - don't you want
    to schedule a follow up?"

    I chuckled a bit as I closed the door in his face.

    Found a new GP who immediatley admitted me to the hospital and started me on insulin. He also
    started me on 40 hours of diabetes classes and sent me to a endocrinologist who showed me the
    low carb way of eating. I'm also excercising and loosing weight. According to my meter, my
    average BG is 130.

    That was 1 year ago. I saw a sign in my old GP's office window last month as I drove by. It said
    "CLOSED".......

    Thank god that moron is out of buisness....

    Hey, what a success story! congratulations o nhaving the guts to stand up for yourself!

    I'mm glad to hear that you are ALIVE too. Your gut instinct really paid off!

  15. Ken Bessler <[email hidden]> quoth:

    [snip]

    Quoted message said:

    That was 1 year ago. I saw a sign in my old GP's office window last month as I drove by. It said
    "CLOSED"....... Thank god that moron is out of buisness....

    Hallelujah! Thank goodness you knew enough to take care of yourself by finding someone competent. I
    wonder if the "closed" sign had anything to do with patient mortality.

    Priscilla

  16. On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 18:22:25 +1100, "hemyd" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I have been caught out by similar doctors, and there are plenty of narratives from others. Here's
    my dubious input on the matter -

    My opinion is that many if not most doctors look at their job in a similar vein to other jobs - to
    make money; lots of money. In many cases there is a certain level of dedication to provide patient
    care, but problems arise for the patient when the doctor puts the priority on making money ahead of
    the priority of caring. dedication to healing involves maintaining a high level of up-to-date
    knowledge on medicine, and this involves a lot of effort - usually unpaid effort such as reading
    books and other literature as well as

    Quoted message said:

    dollars per hour (or minute?).

    I have come across all types of doctors - those who think of their hip pocket, those who care, and
    those who combine the two to provide excellent care. The problems that doctors treating diabetics
    have is that to provide top care the doctor needs to keep very much up-to-date with diabetes
    management, which has undergone some huge changes in the past few years. Unfortunately it is still
    possible (very likely) to find a doctor whose diabetes management education dates back to the time
    when he got his doctorate, say 1956 or something like that, and hasn't bothered to get any more
    recent knowledge.

    On top of all that, as someone put it, doctors - even the caring ones - have to put up with
    complete moron patients. Those who are told, and who know that they have to change their lifestyle
    to cope with their disease, but do not, indulging and living it up right up until they get their
    multiple bypass, or lose their toes, or get a stroke. It must be frustrating for the doctors to see
    that happen no matter what they say.

    It has been said many times on this newsgroup that with diabetes you have to be partly your own
    doctor. Although you do have to seek medical advice, especially with the initial diagnosis, you
    should never entrust yourself completely to any doctor without doing your own research. This
    applies to most other diseases and ailments. The Internet is a powerful tool in the hands of a
    thinking and intelligent victim of a disease. With moderate effort he or she can wield as much
    information as the best doctors. They can talk to doctors on an even basis.

    I have gone to doctors who, although not yet attuned to the power of the Internet, respect my
    knowledge because of it. They often admit when they don't know the answer to something. I admire
    people like that. I also admire those doctors who have discovered the internet, and who have
    decided to learn from it and then share their own learning with others who are willing to listen.
    Of course Dr. William Biggs comes to mind (I've missed his posts - where is he?).

    Sorry for the long note. Have to have one occasionally.....

    Henry

    "Ken Bessler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
    berlin.de...

    Quoted message said:

    My blood sugar was rising so I went to my GP. He said don't worry just take your glucophage.
    Three weeks later I went back with a blood sugar of 600! He said "don't worry - just keep taking
    your glucophage".

    I left the exam room and proceeded to walk to the front door. The GP said "wait - don't you want
    to schedule a follow up?"

    I chuckled a bit as I closed the door in his face.

    Found a new GP who immediatley admitted me to the hospital and started me on insulin. He also
    started me on 40 hours of diabetes classes and sent me to a endocrinologist who showed me the low
    carb way of eating. I'm also excercising and loosing weight. According to my meter, my average BG
    is 130.

    That was 1 year ago. I saw a sign in my old GP's office window last month as I drove by. It said
    "CLOSED".......

    Thank god that moron is out of buisness....

    Ken


    Best answer seen so far. I had a college studenr working for me


    that was the son of a doc. He told me his dad said that about 80% of his patients were ones that he
    could not help. Enough blame to go around. The best argument for a "patient out of pocket" system.
    Another told me his most demanding patients were the ones that never paid their bills. There is two
    sides to every story. But we have more "money makers" than I have ever seen in my life. More common
    to see stock literature instead of medical articles in many offices now. The PR people have sold us
    on a medical expertise that does not exist. Guy

  17. Flying Rat <[email hidden]> quoth:

    Quoted message said:

    Ken Bessler said this...

    Quoted message said:


    "Flying Rat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    was his name Shipman by any chance?

    Dr. Chad Schroeder, Via Christi Family practice, Wichita, KS


    whoooooooooooooooosh!

    Quoted message said:

    tinyurl.com37bd6

    I don't think it's made the news over here, so I think that "whooosh" is a little misplaced.

    Priscilla

  18. "Ken Bessler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    My blood sugar was rising so I went to my GP. He said don't worry just take your glucophage. Three
    weeks later I went back with a blood sugar of 600! He said "don't worry - just keep taking your
    glucophage".

    I left the exam room and proceeded to walk to the front door. The GP said "wait - don't you want
    to schedule a follow up?"

    I chuckled a bit as I closed the door in his face.

    Found a new GP who immediatley admitted me to the hospital and started me on insulin. He also
    started me on 40 hours of diabetes classes and sent me to a endocrinologist who showed me the
    low carb way of eating. I'm also excercising and loosing weight. According to my meter, my
    average BG is 130.

    That was 1 year ago. I saw a sign in my old GP's office window last month as I drove by. It said
    "CLOSED".......

    Thank god that moron is out of buisness....

    Ken, your story just took me back 16 years!!!. Not so strangely, the "doctor" *I* had at that
    time went out of business too, but not before he got a serious smack in the gob right there in
    his surgery.

    Beav

  19. What do you call the guy who graduates at the bottom of his class from medical school?

    --
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    96.37% of all statistics are made up

  20. Dr! 🙂

    dave

    Kevin D. Quitt said:

    What do you call the guy who graduates at the bottom of his class from medical school?

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