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  1. This evening I stopped at a pub to wet my throat. Well to be
    honest I'd cycled to the pub for that express purpose.
    Sitting outside were two cyclists with their bikes. Both
    expressed interest in the Speed Ross, as they'd never seen a
    'bent close-up before.

    Cyclist One sat on it: he was a touch too large, but turning
    the pedals backwards it looked as if his knees would clear
    the bars. But even when sitting still he looked as if he
    thought he would fall off/die/wreck the bike. After five
    minutes of sitting there and discussing how to ride it he
    still looked so unhappy I got him off.

    Cyclist Two sat on it: immediately he could balance the Ross
    with one foot on the ground, leaned back and relaxed, so I
    said "push and go". He went, turned a neat circle in the car-
    park and came back. "Keep going" I said, and he took it for
    a run around the village green, very prettily too. Born
    'bent rider!

    Cyclist One was riding an Italian frame, hung with enough
    Campagnolo components that I quite believed his statement
    that there was 2,000 Pounds Stg there.

    Cyclist Two was riding an Elswick (probably 1960s) rescued
    from a skip (dumpster), with Huret gears -- haven't seen
    those since I was a kid.

    Cyclist One was in full lycra regalia advertising the local
    CC and said he was the Chairman.

    Cyclist Two was his son (possibly stepson) aged about 15.

    OK, a teenager with decent balance, and the feeling of
    invulnerability that teens have, should just jump on and
    ride, but I was amazed that anyone with a lot of experience
    should be so nervous of the bike. Maybe my description of
    Audax distances without crotch-chafe might get him to try it
    again though.

    It was around that same village green that I first rode a
    recumbent (thanks to a local Street-Glider owner) , so it's
    nice to have possibly started someone else along the path of
    righteousness in the same place.

    Mike

  2. "Mike Causer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Cyclist Two was riding an Elswick (probably 1960s) rescued
    from a skip (dumpster), with Huret gears -- haven't seen
    those since I was a kid.

    You really should stay well away from those
    unattractive types.

    Sadly, the roads seem to be clogging up with them more and
    more lately.

    One reason to avoid them is that people judge you by who you
    associate with.

    That's why training around Treviso or Valmontone is such
    a pleasure.

  3. I'm always fascinated by who will or won't try to ride a
    recumbent. My current theory is that a fear of looking silly
    is a greater barrier (for most people) than the physical
    fear of falling off.

    I know some very cool 'extreme sports' fanatics who I can't
    persuade to tough the thing; the more laid back people never
    seem to give it a second thought. I believe the
    psychologists classify some people as having 'novelty-
    seeking personality types' - I think that helps, too.

    Kit

    Mike Causer said:

    This evening I stopped at a pub to wet my throat. Well to
    be honest I'd cycled to the pub for that express purpose.
    Sitting outside were two cyclists with their bikes. Both
    expressed interest in the Speed Ross, as they'd never seen
    a 'bent close-up before.

    Cyclist One sat on it: he was a touch too large, but
    turning the pedals backwards it looked as if his knees
    would clear the bars. But even when sitting still he
    looked as if he thought he would fall off/die/wreck the
    bike. After five minutes of sitting there and discussing
    how to ride it he still looked so unhappy I got him off.

    Cyclist Two sat on it: immediately he could balance the
    Ross with one foot on the ground, leaned back and relaxed,
    so I said "push and go". He went, turned a neat circle in
    the car-park and came back. "Keep going" I said, and he
    took it for a run around the village green, very prettily
    too. Born 'bent rider!

    Cyclist One was riding an Italian frame, hung with enough
    Campagnolo components that I quite believed his statement
    that there was 2,000 Pounds Stg there.

    Cyclist Two was riding an Elswick (probably 1960s) rescued
    from a skip (dumpster), with Huret gears -- haven't seen
    those since I was a kid.

    Cyclist One was in full lycra regalia advertising the
    local CC and said he was the Chairman.

    Cyclist Two was his son (possibly stepson) aged about 15.

    OK, a teenager with decent balance, and the feeling of
    invulnerability that teens have, should just jump on and
    ride, but I was amazed that anyone with a lot of
    experience should be so nervous of the bike. Maybe my
    description of Audax distances without crotch-chafe might
    get him to try it again though.

    It was around that same village green that I first rode a
    recumbent (thanks to a local Street-Glider owner) , so
    it's nice to have possibly started someone else along the
    path of righteousness in the same place.

    Mike

  4. Fabrizio Mazzoleni said:

    "Mike Causer" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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    Quoted message said:

    Cyclist Two was riding an Elswick (probably 1960s) rescued
    from a skip (dumpster), with Huret gears -- haven't seen
    those since I was a kid.

    You really should stay well away from those
    unattractive types.

    Sadly, the roads seem to be clogging up with them more and
    more lately.

    One reason to avoid them is that people judge you by who
    you associate with....

    Fabby,

    That is why Zoot Katz [1] drops you every time you cross
    paths with him
    - no self-respecting practical cyclist wants to be seen with
    your type. 😉

    [1] Seen near the center of this photograph;
    <http://mypage.direct.ca/i/imnot/pix/dino1_april.jpg>.

    --
    Tom Sherman – Quad City Area

  5. "Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    That is why Zoot Katz [1] drops you every time you cross
    paths with him
    - no self-respecting practical cyclist wants to be seen
    with your type. 😉

    Ah yes, that brings us to ol Zoot. Now there's a real
    special case. He's one of those types that always have
    'issues'. He into stuff like that critical mass thing.

    Now you won't see people being disrespectful of the bike on
    the streets of Lombardy or Veneto.

  6. Fabrizio Mazzoleni said:

    That's why training around Treviso or Valmontone is such a
    pleasure.

    It WAS you. The one in the Ninja Turtle MTB shirt and the
    helmet with the turtle head sticking out. Cool fenders, too.
    Do the mud flaps actually work?

    Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on
    two wheels...

  7. kit said:

    I'm always fascinated by who will or won't try to ride a
    recumbent. My current theory is that a fear of looking
    silly is a greater barrier (for most people) than the
    physical fear of falling off.

    There were several recumbents at the Mt. Airy bike shop I
    did not feel comfortable the first time. Interestingly,
    while my wife and I both prefered the Visions way back when,
    she had more trouble with the Tour Easy and I had - for
    whatever reason - more trouble with the wheel flop of the
    BikeE. Came back the next month and all were at least OK. (I
    still hated the BikeE, though.)

    Still, whatever its faults, the diamond frame bike is
    amazingly forgiving when it comes to balance issues. My
    sister had a thyroid problem that led to about a year of
    balance problems, but she could ride a bike easily. I
    don't know that being comfortable on a diamond frame means
    that a person has - necessarily - enough sense of
    balancing (vs. balance) that starting a recumbent for the
    first time requires.

    Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on
    two wheels...

  8. The first time I rode a recumbent [1990] I confidently sat
    down and pushed off after boastfully telling its owner what
    a very experienced bike-rider I was. Moments later, to my
    great embarassment, I wobbled to a halt after squirrelling
    all over the road like a mad fool. The bike's owner then
    told me in a calm, reassuring voice that I needed to lean
    back, relax, and trust the bike to track a straight line. I
    took a deep breath and followed his advice. He was right:
    his bike tracked a perfect line once I let go my distrust of
    novelty, and my apprehension of failure. I subsequently
    bought a frameset from him, and have ridden my own Tour Easy
    many thousands of miles; his name is Gardner Martin, and I'm
    grateful to this day for his good advice.

    members.cox.netmyte.htm

  9. Curtis L. Russell <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>... [...]

    Quoted message said:

    Still, whatever its faults, the diamond frame bike is
    amazingly forgiving when it comes to balance issues. My
    sister had a thyroid problem that led to about a year of
    balance problems, but she could ride a bike easily. I
    don't know that being comfortable on a diamond frame means
    that a person has - necessarily - enough sense of
    balancing (vs. balance) that starting a recumbent for the
    first time requires.

    I am guessing your sister knew how to ride a bike before she
    developed the problems. Had she not known how to ride either
    type of bike before hand, I could not predict if she would
    be able to more easily learn to ride a conventional, a
    recumbent like an EZ-1, or neither.

    (Re Lion's comments) Some of the _worst_ first-time 'benters
    I have ever seen are '"very experienced cyclists". Their
    wiring is wrong. Someone with less bike wiring seems to get
    wired right for a recumbent more quickly.

    All that said, the higher the CG, the lower the wobble
    frequency, so on some level, the easier it is to balance.
    When "safety bicycles" first came out, the big wheel
    crowd thought they were too low and unstable, Thus, the
    giraffe safety.

    John Riley

  10. On 4 Jun 2004 04:40:11 -0700, [email hidden] (john riley)

    Quoted message said:

    I am guessing your sister knew how to ride a bike before
    she developed the problems. Had she not known how to ride
    either type of bike before hand, I could not predict if she
    would be able to more easily learn to ride a conventional,
    a recumbent like an EZ-1, or neither.

    Well, she didn't ride much before. She started riding more
    because it was easier in many ways than simple walking.

    She recovered and AFAIK the bike is now rusting away,
    forgotten.

    Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on
    two wheels...

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