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  1. I've decided that the 29-er is my favourite unicycle and I think it's
    time to

    upgrade.

    Currently I'm using a standard 700c Nimbus rim (a couple of years old,
    the old type

    so fairly thin), Nimbus round 28" frame, Notos 700 x 2.1" tyre and 150mm
    cranks.

    The rim is out of true, probably untrueable as the rim seems a bit
    kinked; but it's

    been that way for some time and rides ok, with just a little tyre
    rubbing on very

    steep climbs.

    The bearings are also shot, but again have been for some time and seem
    to ride ok.

    The tyre is in need of replacing with a dodgy wear on the sidewall that
    causes

    punctures, currently patched with a piece of old inner tube.

    My first priority is to get a new tyre and I've a lot of good things
    about the big

    apple 29-er tyre.

    This will necessitate a bigger frame which will bring the cost to around
    £50, which

    is all I can afford for now.

    So my first question is-

    is the Big Apple really a significantly better ride than a smaller 29-er
    tyre like

    the 2.1" Notos.

    i.e. is it as much an improvement as the Notos is over a standard 28"
    tyre?

    (if anyone addresses this could they also say how much expereience they
    have on both types of tyre, and, if they consider the big apple to be a
    significant improvement, try to explain in what way it is better)

    Also, recently there was some issue over the apple sidewalls wearing out
    quickly? does anyone have any updates on this?

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    Next, when funds are available I'm going to want a new wheel.

    Probably the cheapest option is a 700c Nimbus built by
    unicycle.uk.com.

    Another possibility is to buy a hub and rim and build it myself.

    I think, if possible I'd prefer a wider rim than the current one. I
    don't need the

    top-of-the-range super strong 29-er rim, as I'm mainly interested in
    distance and

    fairly mild muni, i.e. no big drops.

    So my second question is-

    Where, in the UK, can I get a 29-er rim

    and-

    what are good models of rim for this purpose

    Obviously, local bike shops could possibly order something, but, where I
    am, LBS'

    don't really seem on top of things with strange tyres; recently one of
    them denied

    that 29" tyres existed, despite me explaining what a 29" tyre was and
    that I

    actually owned one.

    If I do go the lbs route it's going to be a lot easier if I know some
    specific

    brand names of 29" tyres.

    ----------------

    Last question-

    For inner tubes I prefer something rated as 700c x 35-45, however these
    seem to be in short supply at all my local bike shops.

    Generally they try to convince me that a 700c x 35-40 will suffice; is
    this true?

    On a related note I see that unicycle.uk.com stocks some nice looking
    29" tubes, but they only come with Presta valves- where in the UK can I
    get a tube specifically for 29-ers, but with a schraeder valve?

    --
    onewheeldave - Semi Skilled Unicyclist

    "He's also been known to indulge in a spot of flame juggling - but it's
    the Muni that really fires him up."

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  2. On the Big Apple tire issue I have one on my 29 and love it. It is a
    very smooth ride, rolls well and has good bump absorption. It is great
    for distance and works well on the beach (hard pack). My first Big
    Apple tire experienced sidewall cracking. It became quite gruesome so I
    emailed Schwalbe and they were extremely cool about it and sent me a new
    replacement tire. They explained that there was a problem in the
    production some months ago and it was already corrected. If you are
    interested in getting one of these tires I would buy it direct from
    Schwalbe to avoid the possibility of getting the older stock.

    http://www.schwalbetires.com

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    hedge - Vet Rider
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  3. I've used my Big Apple for over a year, no sidewall cracking so far. It
    seems to have been a 'younger' problem. I got my tyre from Germany.
    Please be aware that the Big Apple 29'er of 2.35" width doesn't fit in
    the round Nimbus I 28" frame, but it does fit a (square) 28" Nimbus II
    frame.

    I can't compare the B.A. to the Notos, but compared to the standard
    skinny 28" x 35 mm it is Day and Night. So, if the Notos versus the
    skinny isn't Day and Night, there is still room for improvement :-)
    That's all I can say.

    I bought a 40 - 62 mm tube on recommendation from the folks through
    which I ordered the B.A. They of course knew I had the skinny tube; I
    assumed it would be to small for the B.A.

    Onewheeldave, your post had double line spacing, how come?

    Klaas Bil

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  4. Klaas Bil said:

    *
    I can't compare the B.A. to the Notos, but compared to the standard
    skinny 28" x 35 mm it is Day and Night. So, if the Notos versus the
    skinny isn't Day and Night, there is still room for improvement :-)
    That's all I can say.*

    That's my difficulty- the Notos/28 comparison is actually day and
    night.

    Yesterday, due to the 29-er tyre being damaged I swappped back to my old
    28" tyre

    (700 x 40mm) and went for a ride.

    It was awful, despite running all the pros (light weight, fits in frame
    really well

    etc) I just felt that I had to constantly watch the road for defects
    that could

    throw me off.

    After the ride I immediately patched up the 29" Notos and put it back
    on. Later I

    went for a night ride and it was superb, I could just focus on riding
    rather than

    worrying about being thrown off.

    There's no way I'd ride the skinny at night, neither would I be able to
    ride as

    fast as I do on the 29-er.

    I really can't emphasise how much nicer to ride, the Notos is than a
    skinny 28"; I

    can imagine that a Big Apple could be more of the same.

    Sticking to your analogy, maybe going from day to a really nice hot
    sunny day?

    Certainly people who havce the Apple seem to universally rave about it,
    but then

    again, I rave about the Notos in comparison to skinny 28".

    Contrast that with the fact that, at 2.35", the Apple isn't really much
    bigger than

    a Notos (2.1"😉, so maybe there isn't that much difference?

    That's why I need some feedback from people who've ridden both types of
    29-er, but,

    failing that, I'm tempted to just get the Big Apple and a bigger frame,
    and find

    out through experience.

    Klaas Bil said:

    *
    Onewheeldave, your post had double line spacing, how come?

    Klaas Bil *

    I don't know; my computer is in a bad state and does wierd things. More
    bizarre

    than the double spacing is the fact that when I type 'c', it often comes
    out as

    'cv' (I'm definitly not hitting two keys at once)- really annoying and I
    can't

    figure out why.

    --
    onewheeldave - Semi Skilled Unicyclist

    "He's also been known to indulge in a spot of flame juggling - but it's
    the Muni that really fires him up."

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  5. An element to consider IMHO: I think crank length is a huge factor in my
    ride satisfaction.

    I have some limited experience with 29er experimentation. I have 2 diff
    tires and 2 diff crank sizes. Sorry, no Notos.

    Cranks: 125mm and 150mm
    Tires: Big Apple and Nanoraptor.

    Therefore 4 configurations
    BA-125, BA-150, Nano-125, Nano-150

    (It occurs to me I could run a test with one 125 and one 150 on the uni.
    Left vs Right. Thus getting the benefits of each. Or it could screw up
    the harmonious resonance in the uni-verse, tangling up my zen and that
    could take years of therapy to correct. I must first seek the council of
    Grandmaster2T.)

    Readers Digest Conclusions:

    BA-125: Fantastic for paved touring and gravel roads. Heavier, smooth,
    round profile... An elegant ride.

    BA-150: Would be good for touring in the mountains or crosscountry.
    Better braking and hill climbing. But its flat here in Mudville so I
    don't configure like this.

    Nano-125: Lighter tire. But I tend to UPD a lot. Losing precious time
    and sapping energy by having to remount so much.

    Nano-150: Fantastic for crosscountry (which includes the low end of
    MUni). Good control from longer cranks keeps me in the saddle and
    moving. Any loss in speed due to longer cranks is more that compensated
    by not UPDing.

    Light tire and long cranks good if it will be stopping and starting and
    changing direction a lot during the ride. Heavy tire good if a smooth,
    swanlike ride is instore. IMHO.

    I only have the one rim. Its pretty skinny. I blame this for the
    Nanoraptor wanting to fold if I land on it with some sidewards momentum.
    I haven't paid any attention to the tube. (except to fix a flat once.)

    Right now my Niner is configured Nano-150 because there is the Wolfpack
    Triathlon on my horizon.

    The short answer: cranks are an important component.

    --
    Memphis Mud - Student of GrandMaster 2T

    Mantra: Avoid Hitting Tailbone...Avoid Hitting Tailbone...

    "do not think, just ride"...muniracer
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  6. Sadly, it seems that my 29-er pincture problem that I mentioned in a
    previous

    thread, and which I thought was resolved, isn't.

    http://tinyurl.com/4vd7d

    My solution had been to repair a damaged portion of the tyre sidewall
    and to

    install some proper cloth rim tape (after filing down any spoke nipples
    with rough

    parts).

    Two bouts of prolonged and hard riding, both trouble free, seemed to
    suggest I'd

    solved the problem, however, today, after fixing a spoke I found the
    tyre had gone

    down.

    The puncture was on the inner part of the tube, and l0oked like it was
    directly

    over a spoke nipple. I couldn't feel anything protruding from through
    the rim

    strip, so repaired the puncture and refitted the tyre.

    I inflated it to just over 50 psi, replaced the valve cap. Seconds later
    the whole

    thing rapidly deflated. 🙁

    Inspecting the tube I find a puncture, again on the inner part of the
    tube (a different place to the first though) which looked as though it
    was either over a different spoke nipple, or over the overlap of the
    cloth rim tape.

    The obvious reply is, I guess, that this is a problem with the spoke
    nipples.

    However, like I said I've checked for protrusions and can't feel any.

    And I don't see what I could do about it anyway, short of replacing
    every nipple.

    I'm currently totally at a loss as to what's going on here, over past
    few weeks I've been getting punctures every one or two rides, which is
    clearly unnaceptable.

    The punctures have been of different types, and my attempted solutions
    have failed to stop the problem.

    I'm not naive about the causes of punctures having taken advice from
    this forum and done extensive searches on the net in general.

    I'm wondering if there are other possibilities, such as: -

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    this problem started soon after I switched from 125's to 150's.

    This initially seems unlikely to have an effect on punctures, but, one
    result of the switch is that I ride the 29-er much harder- go faster,
    ride lots of really steep climbs and generally don't stop for much.

    Last night, for example, I finished by ploughing up a climb so steep
    that, half way up, I snapped a spoke.

    Could this harder riding, in conjuction with a rim that is old and
    narrow, be the straw that is breaking the camels back when it comes to
    punctures?

    This situation affects my upgrade plans as I'm not especially inclined
    to invest £50+ on a Big Apple and the bigger frame necessary to take it,
    if the rim I put them on is going to be puncturing tubes on every other
    ride.

    --
    onewheeldave - Semi Skilled Unicyclist

    "He's also been known to indulge in a spot of flame juggling - but it's
    the Muni that really fires him up."

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  7. Breaking spokes is one indication that the wheel is under-tensioned.
    Overall, it sounds as though the wheel is very under-tensioned. This is
    exacerbated by the increased roughness of your riding style. The style
    is good, the under-tension is bad.

    By being undertensioned, the rim is flexing so much that the spokes are
    pushing up into the tube and penetrating it, or the surface of the
    nipple head is. That slotted surface can be quite rough and sharp.

    Since you are breaking spokes, all the spokes are compromised. Simply
    increasing the tension will just make the compromised ones break faster.
    I recommend having the wheel rebuilt by a good wheel builder.

    The best rim that I know of for your riding is the Sun Rhino Lite. It
    has the widest cross-section. There is no DX32 equivalent for 700c (not
    that you would REALLY want it). Off-roading on a 700c is cross-country,
    not trials. To keep the tire from folding over on side hops, you will
    have to increase the tire pressure quite a bit higher than on your 24".
    In addition, you may have to use more angle on your hops and dismount
    more often.

    You may consider replacing your rim when you replace the spokes. That
    way you will have a good overall package when you get done.

    --
    U-Turn - Member of Generation XO

    Weep in the dojo... laugh on the battlefield.

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