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  1. Teams have to be held accountable.

    Perhaps like Astana in the TDF, a rider test positive the whole team gets eliminated from the event.

    How about :-
    If a rider tests positive, the Team as whole gets suspended for the next 2 pro tour races, the rider may cop the 2 year suspension once his hearing is done.

    If 'X' number of riders from any one team test positive the team looses their license without fail, team management then get the 2 year suspension.
    (time frame not set by calendar year but by time from any last infringement ie:2 positives within a 6 months time frame)

    They have to make the team management responsible for what happens within the team. Once they do that then perhaps they themselves will set up strict anti-doping measures and do their own testing & monitoring of riders.

    With only the rider copping the brunt of penalties management don't take much interest and can brush the problem (ie:the rider) away and employ a new one.

    1 in all in type of thing.
    I can't see many riders &/or management wanting to pay the price for somebody else's wrong doing so they will be much stricter within their own environments.

  2. Trev_S said:

    Teams have to be held accountable.

    Perhaps like Astana in the TDF, a rider test positive the whole team gets eliminated from the event.

    How about :-
    If a rider tests positive, the Team as whole gets suspended for the next 2 pro tour races, the rider may cop the 2 year suspension once his hearing is done.

    If 'X' number of riders from any one team test positive the team looses their license without fail, team management then get the 2 year suspension.
    (time frame not set by calendar year but by time from any last infringement ie:2 positives within a 6 months time frame)

    They have to make the team management responsible for what happens within the team. Once they do that then perhaps they themselves will set up strict anti-doping measures and do their own testing & monitoring of riders.

    With only the rider copping the brunt of penalties management don't take much interest and can brush the problem (ie:the rider) away and employ a new one.

    1 in all in type of thing.
    I can't see many riders &/or management wanting to pay the price for somebody else's wrong doing so they will be much stricter within their own environments.


    ok my last post for now, but I have to say no, no, no, no way!

    suspend the entire team? that is so crazy! i guess you dont have any problem with kloden, kash, ivanov, navarro, et al being royally screwed over vino's positive. podium spot was still possible for k&k. toiling everyday. thousands of kilometers in battered and crash born bodies never to reach paris. since that is basically your suggestion come to fruition. it isnt right at all. if you want to punish the team, a monetary one will suffice. but you dont suspend riders who have never tested positive b/c a teammate has.

  3. Klodifan said:

    ok my last post for now, but I have to say no, no, no, no way!

    suspend the entire team? that is so crazy! i guess you dont have any problem with kloden, kash, ivanov, navarro, et al being royally screwed over vino's positive. podium spot was still possible for k&k. toiling everyday. thousands of kilometers in battered and crash born bodies never to reach paris. since that is basically your suggestion come to fruition. it isnt right at all. if you want to punish the team, a monetary one will suffice. but you dont suspend riders who have never tested positive b/c a teammate has.


    Nah, It was just an idea going from what happened with Astana at the tour, mixed with a little from what you see of old school military type thing, ie:if one doesn't pull their weight make them all pay so nobody wants to let their mates down by failing.

    Actually thats a little like it is now with the code of silence but the opposite way around.
    I guess then riders would not sign for teams that had suspect riders, they'd look for safer teams.

    Dunno!

    But your right, I don't like it that the rest of the guys like Kloden, kash etc. have been shafted by what Vino did, they don't deserve to loose out as a result of Vino's penalty.
    If I was in their shoes I'd be [censored] big time. It writes of months and months of preparation & goals etc. for the actions of one.

    How would you make management responsible? You can suspend them from attending races but they can still manage from outside of the fence (so to speak) Riis is basically doing that at the moment.

    How do you penalise the management & team without affecting riders?
    I'm not sure it can be done. At the end of the day the rider is always going to cop the brunt.

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