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...take over the rainbow?

In theory, yes. Tyler should also get the stage win
retroactively as well for last years final Tour ITT
including prize money and UCI points. All this will happen
when the UCI adjudicates the Millar case with the reported
confession.

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Chris said:

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...take over the rainbow?

In theory, yes. Tyler should also get the stage win
retroactively as well for last years final Tour ITT
including prize money and UCI points. All this will happen
when the UCI adjudicates the Millar case with the reported
confession.

Well, that would depend on him admitting he'd used it
during the time frames for those races. From the
Cyclingnews article, he took "three courses of EPO, one
week each, during 2001 and 2003." Now, it's a reasonable
assumption that he might have taken two of those courses
of EPO to help him for the TdF and the Worlds, but I
haven't seen anything that specific yet.

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Well, that would depend on him admitting he'd used it
during the time frames for those races. From the
Cyclingnews article, he took "three courses of EPO, one
week each, during 2001 and 2003." Now, it's a
reasonable assumption that he might have taken two of
those courses of EPO to help him for the TdF and the
Worlds, but I haven't seen anything that specific yet.

There was a comment from 3 Cofidis equipiers that they got
the "leftover juice" from Millar's time-trial preparation
for the final stage of last year's tour...

Stewart Fleming said:

There was a comment from 3 Cofidis equipiers that they got
the "leftover juice" from Millar's time-trial preparation
for the final stage of last year's tour...

Yes, though I never understood that story. It seems, of all
performance enhancing drugs, EPO is the one you wouldn't
want to take the day before a big stage. The whole idea is
that it has a lag of days to a few weeks to raise
hematocrit, but one only risks testing positive in the first
few days, so one would take it shortly before a 3 week tour,
or in the first week maybe.

I don't know what juice is good the evening before -
stimulants, pot Belge? Damn, I should have read Voet's
book more carefully, no wonder I'm getting dropped in
Fattie races!

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...take over the rainbow?

In theory, yes. Tyler should also get the stage win
retroactively as

well

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for last years final Tour ITT including prize money and
UCI points. All

this

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will happen when the UCI adjudicates the Millar case
with the reported confession.

Well, that would depend on him admitting he'd used it
during the time frames for those races. From the
Cyclingnews article, he took "three courses of EPO, one
week each, during 2001 and 2003." Now, it's a
reasonable assumption that he might have taken two of
those courses of EPO to help him for the TdF and the
Worlds, but I haven't seen anything that specific yet.

I do not remember the source, but I know that he was accused
of using it for the final ITT and the confession came from
that accusation, I think by a team mate (or more than one
team mate). I believe that is the one time in 2003 he copped
to it. You may be right about the World's ITT but if they
make his suspension restroactive to the time of the finding,
it is possible to lose that as well either that way or by
further discovery of his specific abuses. You may be right
though and it is at least even odds that he keeps the
World's title. I really do not know how the UCI will handle
this and I don't recall any previous cases like this where a
confession covered such important wins (or any wins at all).

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Chris said:

I do not remember the source, but I know that he was
accused of using it for the final ITT and the confession
came from that accusation, I think by a team mate (or more
than one team mate). I believe that is the one time in
2003 he copped to it. You may be right about the World's
ITT but if they make his suspension restroactive to the
time of the finding, it is possible to lose that as well
either that way or by further discovery of his specific
abuses. You may be right though and it is at least even
odds that he keeps the World's title. I really do not know
how the UCI will handle this and I don't recall any
previous cases like this where a confession covered such
important wins (or any wins at all).

Jerome Chiotti and Thomas Frischknecht, MTB world champs
1996. Chiotti copped to it years later - unlike Millar,
without getting busted - and the jersey went to
Frischknecht. However, IIRC the UCI originally wasn't going
to make Frischy the official champion, but Chiotti insisted.
Of course they suspended Chiotti for confessed drug use (and
no doubt for making them look bad).

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Chris said:

I do not remember the source, but I know that he was
accused of using it

for

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the final ITT and the confession came from that
accusation, I think by a team mate (or more than one
team mate). I believe that is the one time

in

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2003 he copped to it. You may be right about the World's
ITT but if they make his suspension restroactive to the
time of the finding, it is

possible

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to lose that as well either that way or by further
discovery of his

specific

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abuses. You may be right though and it is at least even
odds that he

keeps

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the World's title. I really do not know how the UCI will
handle this and

I

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don't recall any previous cases like this where a
confession covered

such

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important wins (or any wins at all).

Jerome Chiotti and Thomas Frischknecht, MTB world champs
1996. Chiotti copped to it years later - unlike Millar,
without getting busted - and the jersey went to
Frischknecht. However, IIRC the UCI originally wasn't
going to make Frischy the official champion, but Chiotti
insisted. Of course they suspended Chiotti for confessed
drug use (and no doubt for making them look bad).

I had the sense there was some precedent but could not even
get close to remembering that one. Hopefully that will be
considered a precedent for the Millar case. BTW, Phil was
brutal on the subject stately flatly that his career is over
and that he is "an anonymous man as far as cycling is
concerned". This case is probably the worst embarrassment
ever for pro cyclists. I thought about it a bit since this
morning and in retrospect we should have wondered how he
could be so cavalier about preparation and still hit top
form when his objectives arrived. I thought he was really
gifted, but I thought it was natural.

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Chris said:

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Chris said:

I do not remember the source, but I know that he was
accused of using it

for

Quoted message said:

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the final ITT and the confession came from that
accusation, I think by a team mate (or more than one
team mate). I believe that is the one time

in

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2003 he copped to it. You may be right about the
World's ITT but if they make his suspension
restroactive to the time of the finding, it is

possible

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to lose that as well either that way or by further
discovery of his

specific

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abuses. You may be right though and it is at least
even odds that he

keeps

Quoted message said:

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the World's title. I really do not know how the UCI
will handle this and

I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

don't recall any previous cases like this where a
confession covered

such

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

important wins (or any wins at all).

Jerome Chiotti and Thomas Frischknecht, MTB world champs
1996. Chiotti copped to it years later - unlike Millar,
without getting busted - and the jersey went to
Frischknecht. However, IIRC the UCI originally wasn't
going to make Frischy the official champion, but Chiotti
insisted. Of course they suspended Chiotti for confessed
drug use (and no doubt for making them look bad).

I had the sense there was some precedent but could not
even get close to remembering that one. Hopefully that
will be considered a precedent for the Millar case. BTW,
Phil was brutal on the subject stately flatly that his
career is over and that he is "an anonymous man as far as
cycling is concerned". This case is probably the worst
embarrassment ever for pro cyclists. I thought about it a
bit since this morning and in retrospect we should have
wondered how he could be so cavalier about preparation and
still hit top form when his objectives arrived. I thought
he was really gifted, but I thought it was natural.

I remember that Chiotti actually admitted he'd been using
EPO when he won his title, which would make it much
easier to take the jersey away (odd that the UCI was
initially so reluctant to take it - maybe they thought it
would reflect badly on them to have champion who won when
doped). As far as I know, Millar hasn't gone so far as
copping to using when he won Worlds, but it may still
happen. As for Ligget's comments, well, I'd say he feels
pretty let down by Millar. The thing is, I think Millar
is actually pretty talented, but has psychological
issues, mostly having to do with confidence. I think if
he could maintain a more consistent training regimen than
it sounds like he seems to do, he'd win as much as he has
without dope. And he'd win far more if he he had a good
DS that understood sports psychology. Riis?

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