So who all has noticed ...

Steven L. Sheffield said:

... that USPS/Discovery Channel has won 4 of the last 5 Grand Tours in which
they have participated?

scary now ain't it... and no I had not put that one together....... The
one missing would be last years Vuelta?

Steven L. Sheffield said:

... that USPS/Discovery Channel has won 4 of the last 5 Grand Tours in which
they have participated?

Heras was riding for Liberty Seguros when he won the Vuelta last year.
Nice try, though.

-Sonarrat.

Sonarrat said:

Steven L. Sheffield said:

... that USPS/Discovery Channel has won 4 of the last 5 Grand Tours in
which
they have participated?

Heras was riding for Liberty Seguros when he won the Vuelta last year.
Nice try, though.

Oh, wait, you're right. They didn't participate in the '04 Giro, so
their last GT before that was the Vuelta in '03 that Heras won for them.
Sowwy.

-Sonarrat.

Steven L. Sheffield said:

... that USPS/Discovery Channel has won 4 of the last 5 Grand Tours in which
they have participated?

How long has it been since a team sweeped all 3 GTs in a season?

And each of those wins was lead by a repeat winner. I guess they do
have some ascension planning going on.

I am not sure it ever happened. I am trying to think of those years
when a rider won a double to see if I can remember a team mate winning
the third. I kind of doubt any team has ever swept all 3. Winning 2 is
not all that rare but mostly from the same guy and with results like
that is takes the pressure off of even participating in the third GT.
I suppose this year it would be possible for Disco if Azevedo or
Beltran gets to go for the win in Spain. I would enjoy that. They each
deserve a chance for that especially if they are not wasted going for #
7 for the Lance factor.

Steven L. Sheffield said:

... that USPS/Discovery Channel has won 4 of the last 5 Grand Tours in which
they have participated?

Dumbass -

You have your head up your ass. Anyone who reads rbr realizes that
Discover sucks.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

Sonarrat said:

Steven L. Sheffield said:

... that USPS/Discovery Channel has won 4 of the last 5 Grand Tours in which
they have participated?

Heras was riding for Liberty Seguros when he won the Vuelta last year.
Nice try, though.

2003 Tour de France - Lance Armstrong - USPS
2003 Vuelta a España - Roberto Heras - USPS
2004 Tour de France - Lance Armstrong - USPS
2004 Vuelta a España - Roberto Heras - Liberty Seguros
2005 Giro d'Italia - Paolo Savoldelli - Discovery Channel

Looks like 4 out of the last 5 to me ...

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Amerigo Vespucci

Kenny said:

e-RICHIE said:

didn't columbus discovery america?

Amerigo Vespucci

Didn't you mean to say: "So that's why Trek switched to carbon!"

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Kenny said:

e-RICHIE said:

didn't columbus discovery america?

Amerigo Vespucci

FYI:

Colombus discovered mailand America in his third voyage (1498). Of the 4
voyages of Amerigo Vespucci 1497-8, 1499, 1501, 1503 reported in "Four
Voyages of Amerigo Vespucci" (1504 ) two have been proven to be fakes
initially made up by some Italian author. Unfortunately this document is the
one that lead to the Alsacian cartographer Waldseemüller to atribute to
Vespucci the discovery and the name of the continent. But the whole credit
should go to Colombus.

Even on his 1499 Vespucci was only a member of the expedition of Alonso de
Hojeda (but the power of Italian networking of the time helped him to
attribute himself the credit).

By 1513 Waldseemüller seem to have realized there was a problem and gave
much more credit to Columbus, but by then the damages was made and in 1538
Mercator had already assigned the name America to the northern part of the
continent too (so in fact south america was America first).

"Today these parts of the earth, Europe, Asia, and Africa, have been
completely explored, and a fouth part has been discovered by Amerigo
Vespucci, as may be seen in the attached charts. Since Europe and Asia have
received the names of women, I see no reason why we should not call this
other place Amerige or America, after the wise man who discovered it"

- Martin Waldseemüller 1508

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Amerigo Vespucci

in 464560 20050530 122704 'Steven L. Sheffield said:

2003 Tour de France - Lance Armstrong - USPS
2003 Vuelta a España - Roberto Heras - USPS
2004 Tour de France - Lance Armstrong - USPS
2004 Vuelta a España - Roberto Heras - Liberty Seguros
2005 Giro d'Italia - Paolo Savoldelli - Discovery Channel

Looks like 4 out of the last 5 to me ...

What about 2004 Giro ????

On 06/01/2005 05:51 AM, in article [email hidden],

Bob Martin said:

in 464560 20050530 122704 'Steven L. Sheffield said:

2003 Tour de France - Lance Armstrong - USPS
2003 Vuelta a España - Roberto Heras - USPS
2004 Tour de France - Lance Armstrong - USPS
2004 Vuelta a España - Roberto Heras - Liberty Seguros
2005 Giro d'Italia - Paolo Savoldelli - Discovery Channel

Looks like 4 out of the last 5 to me ...

What about 2004 Giro ????

USPS did not participate in the 2004 Giro.

The original question asked who all noticed that the USPS/Discovery Channel
team won 4 of the last 5 Grand Tours in which they participated.

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