so is this disqualification for real?

Dumbass,

You post x-thousand messages in this forum, and you don't know the rules of
the sport.

Thanks,
BVH

Quoted message said:

it sucks when this happens but how train crossings are handled are
always spelled out in the technical guide. the ruling isn't arbitrary
after the fact.

While it's true that it's up to the riders to obey this well-known
regulations. I was astounded that the organisation did not have any
marshalls/stewards at the crossing to ensure the riders stopped. It's a
normal precaution.

It's lucky that they only had to disqualify the riders, there could
have been a real tragedy today.

Bart said:

Dumbass,

You post x-thousand messages in this forum, and you don't know the rules of
the sport.

Thanks,
BVH

Dumbass -

Really.

From:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/apr06/apr10news

On his disqualification, Van Petegem said, "I haven't put the other
riders in danger. OK it's a serious error. In Belgium they do it
differently. Here you get disqualified."

<snip>

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

"Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Bart said:

Dumbass,

You post x-thousand messages in this forum, and you don't know the rules
of
the sport.

Thanks,
BVH

Dumbass -

Really.

From:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/apr06/apr10news

On his disqualification, Van Petegem said, "I haven't put the other
riders in danger. OK it's a serious error. In Belgium they do it
differently. Here you get disqualified."

<snip>

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

It was done to move Guesdon up from 10th to 7th.

Sean Roche said:

Quoted message said:

it sucks when this happens but how train crossings are handled are
always spelled out in the technical guide. the ruling isn't arbitrary
after the fact.

While it's true that it's up to the riders to obey this well-known
regulations. I was astounded that the organisation did not have any
marshalls/stewards at the crossing to ensure the riders stopped. It's a
normal precaution.

It's lucky that they only had to disqualify the riders, there could
have been a real tragedy today.

Yeah, road cyclists have no experience ducking train crossings.

These are professional athletes, they can cross train tracks without dying.

Ron

Sean Roche said:

Quoted message said:

it sucks when this happens but how train crossings are handled are
always spelled out in the technical guide. the ruling isn't arbitrary
after the fact.

While it's true that it's up to the riders to obey this well-known
regulations. I was astounded that the organisation did not have any
marshalls/stewards at the crossing to ensure the riders stopped. It's a
normal precaution.

It's lucky that they only had to disqualify the riders, there could
have been a real tragedy today.

There is no UCI rule that deals with train crossings.

Thanks,

Magilla

MagillaGorilla said:

There is no UCI rule that deals with train crossings.

Level crossings
2.3.034 It shall be strictly forbidden to cross level crossings when
the barrier is down.
Apart from risking the penalty for such an offence as provided by law,
offending riders shall be eliminated
from the competition by the commissaires.
(text modified on 1.01.05).

2.3.035 The following rules shall apply:
1. One or more riders who have broken away from the field are held up
at a level crossing but the
gates open before the field catches up. No action shall be taken and
the closed level crossing
shall be considered a mere race incident.
2. One or more riders with more than 30 seconds' lead on the field are
held up at a level crossing
and the rest of the field catches up while the gates are still closed.
In this case the race shall be
neutralised and restarted with the same gaps, once the official
vehicles preceding the race have
passed.
If the lead is less than 30 seconds, the closed level crossing shall be
considered a mere race
incident.
3. If one or more leading riders make it over the crossing before the
gates shut and the remainder
of the riders are held up, no action shall be taken and the closed
level crossing shall be considered
a race incident.
4. Any other situation (prolonged closure of the barrier, etc.) shall
be resolved by the commissaires.
This article shall apply equally to similar situations (mobile bridges,
obstacles on the route, etc.).

So... Boonan et al also crossed when the bar was down, so they should
have been DQ'd as well.

Or... maybe let's be sensible and just bump the 2,3,&4 guys back to
5,6,&7 and not DQ anybody.

It's really stupid that they didn't have any officials there to keep
the riders honest... they had to know that the train would be in the
way with plenty of advanced notice. This has happened before in PR (in
the mid 80s at least) and they handled it ok then.

It is funny actually. Nobody works on Sundays in France. Trucks are not
allowed to ride on Sundays in France. But a freight train can come mess up a
race with 10 km to go.

Level crossings

2.3.034 It shall be strictly forbidden to cross level crossings when the
barrier is down.

Apart from risking the penalty for such an offence as provided by law,
offending riders shall be eliminated from the competition by the
commissaires.

2.3.035 The following rules shall apply:

1. One or more riders who have broken away from the field are held up at a
level crossing but the gates open before the field catches up. No action
shall be taken and the closed level crossing shall be considered a mere race
incident.

2. One or more riders with more than 30 seconds' lead on the field are held
up at a level crossing and the rest of the field catches up while the gates
are still closed. In this case the race shall be neutralised and restarted
with the same gaps, once the official vehicles preceding the race have
passed. If the lead is less than 30 seconds, the closed level crossing shall
be considered a mere race incident.

3. If one or more leading riders make it over the crossing before the gates
shut and the remainder of the riders are held up, no action shall be taken
and the closed level crossing shall be considered a race incident.

4. Any other situation (prolonged closure of the barrier, etc.) shall be
resolved by the commissaires.

Bart said:

It is funny actually. Nobody works on Sundays in France. Trucks are not
allowed to ride on Sundays in France. But a freight train can come mess up a
race with 10 km to go.

That's why we had to liberate France from Nazi control. And that's also
why France has no cycling champions anymore. They are a gay country
with people like Virenque as their best cyclist.

Without Bernard Hinault and The Professor, France's legacy in the sport
would be highly questionable.

Magilla

amit said:

if americans think bike racing is a farce it isn't because train can
interrupt them -- the fact that can happen doesn't even occur to most
people.

You might be on to something here-- i.e., How To Make Cycle Racing More
Popular in the U.S.

Get rid of the RR crossing rule and , in fact, *advertise* that there's
a chance that a rider or three might get wiped out by a fast moving
locomotive. No doubt you'd catch a good segment of the NASCAR fans and
probably most of the PBR faithful. Just think what Vince McMahon or
Don King could do with something like that.

In all seriousness, I happened to be watching the race with a
non-cycling pal when the RR crossing barriers went down. He wanted to
know if this was done "on purpose"-- if the organizers planned for
trains to shut down the race at certain points. Had a good laugh off
that one...as if P-R ain't tough enough!

Ron Ruff writes: It's really stupid that they didn't have any officials
there to keep
the riders honest...

No official?

Who was that guy in the red/black motorcycle jacket then? he stood
aside
while the first 3 proceeded thru, but 20 seconds later he stepped in
the way and wavied his arms stopping the next 3. not the action of a
non-official.

MagillaGorilla said:

Train crossings in bike races is gay. What other sport allows mass
transit vehicles to play a crucial role in determining the winner of a
major competition?

Hans Hermann in a really low Porsche won one year (1950s) by passing
just in front of a train in the Mille Miglia - the barriers were down
and both Hermann and his navigator had to duck their heads to clear
the barrier.

Another second or so and the train would have DQ's him all over the
countryside. Weren't no freight train neither - high speed commuter to
Rome.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

Quoted message said:

In all seriousness, I happened to be watching the race with a
non-cycling pal when the RR crossing barriers went down. He wanted to
know if this was done "on purpose"-- if the organizers planned for
trains to shut down the race at certain points. Had a good laugh off
that one...as if P-R ain't tough enough!

I did a race in Maine (near York I think, or Mt. Agemenicus) in the
early 1990s where a train stopped the race two years in a row. The
course one year crossed a brick or cobblestone crosswalk. Very euro.
Very pro.

JT

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Quoted message said:

No official?
Who was that guy in the red/black motorcycle jacket then? he stood
aside
while the first 3 proceeded thru, but 20 seconds later he stepped in
the way and wavied his arms stopping the next 3. not the action of a
non-official.

I guess it is a good thing he was there... so why did they get DQ'd if
he let them through?

In article <[email hidden]>, John Forrest

Tomlinson said:

Quoted message said:

In all seriousness, I happened to be watching the race with a
non-cycling pal when the RR crossing barriers went down. He wanted to
know if this was done "on purpose"-- if the organizers planned for
trains to shut down the race at certain points. Had a good laugh off
that one...as if P-R ain't tough enough!

I did a race in Maine (near York I think, or Mt. Agemenicus) in the
early 1990s where a train stopped the race two years in a row. The
course one year crossed a brick or cobblestone crosswalk. Very euro.
Very pro.

I was the Chief Ref of a criterium that was stopped due to a train
crossing. Luckily the race in progress was a junior race with a small
field. The tracks didn't actually cross the course but the RR crossing
arms did block a portion of one of the turns and for safety sake I had
toldall fields that if a train came we owuld stop the race.