Snowdon Summit Cafe

"Nick Pedley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Plans to rebuild the 70 year old cafe at the top of Wales' highest
mountain
have run into a £2million shortfall.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_west/4380333.stm

Nick

This remains the highest slum in the country and nothing will change that.
The mountain should be returned to its original state by totally demolishing
the buildings and removing all traces of the railway lines; thereby removing
any temptation for inappropriately prepared people to ascend it.

Michael Hobby said:

"Nick Pedley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Plans to rebuild the 70 year old cafe at the top of Wales' highest
mountain
have run into a £2million shortfall.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_west/4380333.stm

Nick

This remains the highest slum in the country and nothing will change that.
The mountain should be returned to its original state by totally demolishing
the buildings and removing all traces of the railway lines; thereby removing
any temptation for inappropriately prepared people to ascend it.

So you are saying that only people capable of ascending by foot should
enjoy the summit?

"Michael Hobby" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

This remains the highest slum in the country and nothing will change that.
The mountain should be returned to its original state by totally
demolishing the buildings and removing all traces of the railway lines;
thereby removing any temptation for inappropriately prepared people to
ascend it.

I would expect most people ascending the summit, by train are appropriately
prepared for a train journey! and a short walk!

Removing the railway would destroy a unique part of our heritage, not to
mention the effect on local jobs and economy, i.e. lack of visitors!

Don't suppose that would worry you, you just want an empty mountain to
yourself!

Live and let live, don't be so bitter Michael !

The new building has my backing.........

ab

Michael Hobby said:

This remains the highest slum in the country and nothing will change that.
The mountain should be returned to its original state by totally demolishing
the buildings and removing all traces of the railway lines; thereby removing
any temptation for inappropriately prepared people to ascend it.

If there was no cafe and railway there no I would oppose building one,
but the existing ones have been there a long time and I think it would
be pointless to remove them. They provide enjoyment to people who
otherwise wouldn't get to the summit and if you don't like the crowds
there are plenty of moutnains without trains and cafes. If you want to
go up Snowdon and avoid the crowds set off early on a weekday when the
train isn't running and it's not so bad. At least the plans for the new
building look better than the old one so I'd like to see it built.

--
regards

Bill

In article <[email hidden]>, Michael Hobby
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

This remains the highest slum in the country and nothing will change that.
The mountain should be returned to its original state by totally demolishing
the buildings and removing all traces of the railway lines; thereby removing
any temptation for inappropriately prepared people to ascend it.

You are bound to get some votes from the die hard selfish lot who think
only of themselves.

The railway people make a fortune out of tourists, it costs an OAP
couple 40 quid - 3 quid to park the car and the rest in fares. This
might me be the only way they can enjoy going up Snowdon and
inappropriate preparation doesn't really come into the equation. If you
remove the railway, perhaps more inappropriately prepared folk would
attempt to ascend the mountain.

You don't have to visit the cafe, or even look at it. It leaves a lot to
be desired, but it is very welcome to a lot of people.
--
Bill Grey
http://www.billboy.co.uk

Yeah -but its still a slum ...... and damnned unfriendly to boot

On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:31:59 +0100, "W. D. Grey"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

| The railway people make a fortune out of tourists, it costs an OAP
| couple 40 quid - 3 quid to park the car and the rest in fares. This
| might me be the only way they can enjoy going up Snowdon

Ouch! I may be an OAP buy I should still be able to manage the PYG or
Miners tracks.

--
Dave F

In article <[email hidden]>, Dave Fawthrop
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

Ouch! I may be an OAP buy I should still be able to manage the PYG or
Miners tracks.

So am I, and so is my wife but she can't walk up Snowdon, neither can
many others.

Remember that OAP starts at 60 or 65 and goes on for a long time for the
lucky ones ,many of which need assistance to get on the train!
--
Bill Grey
http://www.billboy.co.uk

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W. D. Grey said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Michael Hobby
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

This remains the highest slum in the country and nothing will change that.
The mountain should be returned to its original state by totally demolishing
the buildings and removing all traces of the railway lines; thereby removing
any temptation for inappropriately prepared people to ascend it.

You are bound to get some votes from the die hard selfish lot who think
only of themselves.

Why do people go up mountains in the first place? Having railways up them
and cafes on the top of them spoils that. Having said that, the Snowdon one
has been there long enough now to be accepted, and building a better
replacement can't be all bad, as long as it doesn't end up as some very
modern visually instrusive disaster.

--
Simon Challands

"Nick Pedley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Plans to rebuild the 70 year old cafe at the top of Wales' highest
mountain
have run into a £2million shortfall.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_west/4380333.stm

Nick

I liked the quote "This is a major project which will greatly enhance one of
the best known mountains in the UK."

Discuss.....

Roy.

W. D. Grey said:

You don't have to visit the cafe, or even look at it. It leaves a lot to
be desired, but it is very welcome to a lot of people.

Even hardened walkers - Snowdon can be a fecking miserable mountain.

--
Like I said before, I don't repeat myself!

Mail john rather than nospam...

In article <[email hidden]>, Simon Challands
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

Why do people go up mountains in the first place? Having railways up them
and cafes on the top of them spoils that. Having said that, the Snowdon one
has been there long enough now to be accepted, and building a better
replacement can't be all bad, as long as it doesn't end up as some very
modern visually instrusive disaster.

As the thread refers to Snowdon, why write in the plural!

As for the proposed cafe, it is supposed to be more environmentally
acceptable visually. It has been designed to blend in with the contour
of the hill, let's hope it will.
--
Bill Grey
http://www.billboy.co.uk

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W. D. Grey said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Simon Challands
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

Why do people go up mountains in the first place? Having railways up them
and cafes on the top of them spoils that. Having said that, the Snowdon one
has been there long enough now to be accepted, and building a better
replacement can't be all bad, as long as it doesn't end up as some very
modern visually instrusive disaster.

As the thread refers to Snowdon, why write in the plural!

Because it is the general principal that matters? I would (hopefully) think
the same about Scafell Pike or Ben Nevis or anywhere else (dare I mention
Cairn Gorm, which since I've never been there I probably shouldn't).

Quoted message said:

As for the proposed cafe, it is supposed to be more environmentally
acceptable visually. It has been designed to blend in with the contour
of the hill, let's hope it will.

What it's made out of with say more than how it's designed IMHO.

--
Simon Challands

Simon Challands said:

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W. D. Grey said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Simon Challands
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

Why do people go up mountains in the first place? Having railways up them
and cafes on the top of them spoils that.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

As the thread refers to Snowdon, why write in the plural!

Because it is the general principal that matters? I would (hopefully) think
the same about Scafell Pike or Ben Nevis or anywhere else (dare I mention
Cairn Gorm, which since I've never been there I probably shouldn't).

The general principle is I think well accepted. There isn't a railway
up Scafell nor is there one on Ben Nevis. I doubt whether they would
have got a funicular up Cairn Gorm if there hadn't been a ski lift
there before.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

As for the proposed cafe, it is supposed to be more environmentally
acceptable visually. It has been designed to blend in with the contour
of the hill, let's hope it will.

What it's made out of with say more than how it's designed IMHO.

With regard to what it is made of they intend to use locally quarried
stone (though not from the summit itself) and the windows have been
arranged to minimise reflections.

If you haven't already found it there is a non technical summary of
the plans at
http://www.eryri-npa.co.uk/images/recreation/summit/summary.pdf

Which says:

The proposed design would be markedly changed from the existing
facility. The external shape and appearance of the building would have
a stronger relationship to the summit. The use of natural stone in the
walls and roof and the softer and more organic shape of the building
would create a relatively simple and unified solution.

See also the Sonowdon Summit site at http://www.snowdon-summit.co.uk/
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

Quoted message said:

So you are saying that only people capable of ascending by foot should
enjoy the summit?

How do you enjoy that summit?

Seriously, leave the railway alone and devote your energies to
stopping some numpty sticking one up any other hill.

Richard Webb

ab said:

"Michael Hobby" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

This remains the highest slum in the country and nothing will change that.
The mountain should be returned to its original state by totally
demolishing the buildings and removing all traces of the railway lines;
thereby removing any temptation for inappropriately prepared people to
ascend it.

I would expect most people ascending the summit, by train are appropriately
prepared for a train journey! and a short walk!

Hope they have a mobile

"Im on a train"

Richard Webb

RJ Webb <[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

So you are saying that only people capable of ascending by foot should
enjoy the summit?

How do you enjoy that summit?

Seriously, leave the railway alone and devote your energies to
stopping some numpty sticking one up any other hill.

Richard Webb

Nobody has mentioned ski-lifts yet.....

They have now.
--
Gordon Harris

RJ Webb <[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

So you are saying that only people capable of ascending by foot should
enjoy the summit?

How do you enjoy that summit?

Seriously, leave the railway alone and devote your energies to
stopping some numpty sticking one up any other hill.

Richard Webb

Nobody has mentioned ski-lifts yet.....

They have now.
--
Gordon Harris

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Quoted message said:

Michael Hobby said:

"Nick Pedley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Plans to rebuild the 70 year old cafe at the top of Wales' highest
mountain
have run into a £2million shortfall.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_west/4380333.stm

This remains the highest slum in the country and nothing will change that.
The mountain should be returned to its original state by totally demolishing
the buildings and removing all traces of the railway lines; thereby removing
any temptation for inappropriately prepared people to ascend it.

So you are saying that only people capable of ascending by foot should
enjoy the summit?

I was once very grateful for the shelter provided by the
cafe's boiler house and for the train to get back down the
mountain. That said, a mortgage is required to use the train,
and the cafe is a disgrace. By all means have something
there, but not the current tenement and not necessarily the
artist's impression on the web page cited above.
--
If you can keep your head when all around are losing theirs...
then you've failed to grasp some important aspect of the
situation.