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  1. I was snowed out of riding, this weekend.

    Please don't "Icebike" me. In Vancouver
    we're talkin' "Slushbike" -- perhaps the
    worst weather conditions for riding, short
    of tornadoes, hurricanes or dense fog.

    Having to slog my weekly trip to the
    laundromat afoot was almost intolerable.

    What really chafes is that last Thursday &
    Friday were beautiful days, but I had to
    go to work. I get a crummy weekend, and
    then it'll be nice again during the upcoming
    work week.

    I hope it just rains next weekend.
    That, I can deal with.

    cheers,
    Tom

    --
    Nothing is safe from me.
    I'm really at:
    tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

  2. "Tom Keats" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I was snowed out of riding, this weekend.

    Please don't "Icebike" me. In Vancouver
    we're talkin' "Slushbike" -- perhaps the
    worst weather conditions for riding, short
    of tornadoes, hurricanes or dense fog.

    Having to slog my weekly trip to the
    laundromat afoot was almost intolerable.

    What really chafes is that last Thursday &
    Friday were beautiful days, but I had to
    go to work. I get a crummy weekend, and
    then it'll be nice again during the upcoming
    work week.

    I hope it just rains next weekend.
    That, I can deal with.

  3. "Tom Keats" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I was snowed out of riding, this weekend.

    Please don't "Icebike" me. In Vancouver
    we're talkin' "Slushbike" -- perhaps the
    worst weather conditions for riding, short
    of tornadoes, hurricanes or dense fog.

    Having to slog my weekly trip to the
    laundromat afoot was almost intolerable.

    What really chafes is that last Thursday &
    Friday were beautiful days, but I had to
    go to work. I get a crummy weekend, and
    then it'll be nice again during the upcoming
    work week.

    I hope it just rains next weekend.
    That, I can deal with.

    cheers,
    Tom

    Oops. It would help if I wrote the post, wouldn't it?

    It's all in the timing. I live out by Chilliwack. I got the ride in early
    yesterday. Windy, flurries, but doable. Today was a rest day, and tomorrow
    it's supposed to be 11 C in Vancouver. It's all good.

  4. In article <Y7M4j.36178$Zn.18493@edtnps90>,

    Jim Flom said:

    "Tom Keats" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I was snowed out of riding, this weekend.

    Please don't "Icebike" me. In Vancouver
    we're talkin' "Slushbike" -- perhaps the
    worst weather conditions for riding, short
    of tornadoes, hurricanes or dense fog.

    Having to slog my weekly trip to the
    laundromat afoot was almost intolerable.

    What really chafes is that last Thursday &
    Friday were beautiful days, but I had to
    go to work. I get a crummy weekend, and
    then it'll be nice again during the upcoming
    work week.

    I hope it just rains next weekend.
    That, I can deal with.

    cheers,
    Tom

    Oops. It would help if I wrote the post, wouldn't it?

    It's all in the timing.

    When you're working afternoon shift, there's not much
    wriggle-room for timing. Yeah, I could ride to work
    (from near Main & 41st to Nelson & Blundell in East
    Richmond) but I've already got my ride-sharing arrangement.
    And there's enough big-rig traffic out that way to render
    riding an unpleasant experience. So, I'm foregoing the
    cycle-commuting option. Besides, my job is often physically
    arduous, and at the end of a shift I don't have many calories
    left to ride home. During the week I ride around, doing
    errand runs before going to work. I'm immensely thankful
    for those opportunities. A little riding before work gets
    the blood flowing, and perks me up. But weekends are supposed
    to be my Freedom days.

    Quoted message said:

    I live out by Chilliwack. I got the ride in early
    yesterday. Windy, flurries, but doable. Today was a rest day, and tomorrow
    it's supposed to be 11 C in Vancouver. It's all good.

    Being so far up the Fraser Valley, I imagine you got a
    bigger dump of snow than we did in Vancouver (Proper.)
    That Pineapple Express is predicted to deluge us.
    Bring it on!

    Anyways, I'm just whinin' & gripin', because it's all
    I can do about the situation. Poor, poor, pitiful me :-)

    When I get the 'flu, I can't help but think about how
    I took all my previous, happily healthy days for granted.
    I guess being preempted from riding is a similar thing.
    Oh, well.

    cheers,
    Tom
    --
    Nothing is safe from me.
    I'm really at:
    tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

  5. "Tom Keats" <[email hidden]> wrote...

    Quoted message said:


    When you're working afternoon shift, there's not much
    wriggle-room for timing. Yeah, I could ride to work
    (from near Main & 41st to Nelson & Blundell in East
    Richmond) but I've already got my ride-sharing arrangement.
    And there's enough big-rig traffic out that way to render
    riding an unpleasant experience. So, I'm foregoing the
    cycle-commuting option. Besides, my job is often physically
    arduous, and at the end of a shift I don't have many calories
    left to ride home. During the week I ride around, doing
    errand runs before going to work. I'm immensely thankful
    for those opportunities. A little riding before work gets
    the blood flowing, and perks me up. But weekends are supposed
    to be my Freedom days.

    I don't think I'd be into commuting much either. But you're closer to the
    city! That's been my "I wish I were..." since I came here. Yes you have to
    deal with more traffic, but there's just more riding culture where you are.
    I'm a frikkin' anomoly out here. maybe instead of doing errandss you can
    get a fun ride in once or twice a week to hold you over till the weekend,
    and if it gets like this, then at least you got something in. This time of
    year, early morning is out and so is evening, so we're pretty much locked
    into 8 am to 4 pm. My schedule is flexible that I can ride at lunch this
    time of year if I need to. But the grass is always greener. Vancouver area
    looks like cycling mecca from this angle.

    Quoted message said:

    Being so far up the Fraser Valley, I imagine you got a
    bigger dump of snow than we did in Vancouver (Proper.)
    That Pineapple Express is predicted to deluge us.
    Bring it on!

    Yeah it looks like serious rain tomorrow. But I think you might have gotten
    more snow. Abbotsford got a lot I heard. We got more today than last
    night. Wednesday looks nice. I'm 150 kilometers off my goal for the
    year -- a fitness goal I may actually attain for a change!

    --
    JF

    "Nothing gives one person so much advantage over another as to remain always
    cool and unruffled under all circumstances. "
    - Thomas Jefferson

  6. "Tom Keats" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I was snowed out of riding, this weekend.

    Please don't "Icebike" me. In Vancouver
    we're talkin' "Slushbike" -- perhaps the
    worst weather conditions for riding, short
    of tornadoes, hurricanes or dense fog.

    Having to slog my weekly trip to the
    laundromat afoot was almost intolerable.

    What really chafes is that last Thursday &
    Friday were beautiful days, but I had to
    go to work. I get a crummy weekend, and
    then it'll be nice again during the upcoming
    work week.

    I hope it just rains next weekend.
    That, I can deal with.

    Be afraid. Be very afraid.
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071130.wcoldcold1130/BNStory/Science/home

    --
    JF

    "Nothing gives one person so much advantage over another as to remain always
    cool and unruffled under all circumstances. "
    - Thomas Jefferson

  7. In article <oRM4j.36183$Zn.2941@edtnps90>,

    Jim Flom said:

    "Tom Keats" <[email hidden]> wrote...

    Quoted message said:


    When you're working afternoon shift, there's not much
    wriggle-room for timing. Yeah, I could ride to work
    (from near Main & 41st to Nelson & Blundell in East
    Richmond) but I've already got my ride-sharing arrangement.
    And there's enough big-rig traffic out that way to render
    riding an unpleasant experience. So, I'm foregoing the
    cycle-commuting option. Besides, my job is often physically
    arduous, and at the end of a shift I don't have many calories
    left to ride home. During the week I ride around, doing
    errand runs before going to work. I'm immensely thankful
    for those opportunities. A little riding before work gets
    the blood flowing, and perks me up. But weekends are supposed
    to be my Freedom days.

    I don't think I'd be into commuting much either. But you're closer to the
    city!

    Heh :-) I'm right in it!

    Quoted message said:

    That's been my "I wish I were..." since I came here. Yes you have to
    deal with more traffic, but there's just more riding culture where you are.
    I'm a frikkin' anomoly out here.

    Kudos to you for being a cycling ambassador out
    there in the car-centric realms. Yeah, there's
    tons of riding culture here, and it's wonderful.

    But Chilliwack is a pretty town, as is Hope.
    If I had money, I'd retire up there.

    Quoted message said:

    maybe instead of doing errandss you can
    get a fun ride in once or twice a week to hold you over till the weekend,
    and if it gets like this, then at least you got something in. This time of
    year, early morning is out and so is evening, so we're pretty much locked
    into 8 am to 4 pm. My schedule is flexible that I can ride at lunch this
    time of year if I need to. But the grass is always greener. Vancouver area
    looks like cycling mecca from this angle.

    I've had it good. I'm having it good. For the record,
    my original post was largely tongue-in-cheek. A few
    non-riding days out of the year is really no big whoop.
    Although one really feels it when one is deprived, and
    would love the opportunity to ride to the supermarket
    for frozen perogies & sour cream. And t.p., lightbulbs,
    garbage bags, a couple of cans of Chef Boy-Ar-Dee stuff,
    a bag of grapefruits, a sack of powdered milk, a dozen
    eggs, a couple of loaves of bread, block of cheese,
    bottle o' catsup, a cabbage, green onions, a dozen leeks,
    sesame oil, the right kind of noodles, pre-BBQ'd chicken,
    garlic sausage, Keen's hot mustard, blueberry pancake syrup,
    can o' King Oscar sardines (in olive oil, lightly smoked,)
    Ritz cheese crackers, tomato soup, a little thingie of
    Ben & Jerry's oreo ice cream, Polskie Ogorkie dill pickles,
    J-Cloths, frozen fish 'n chips, tater tots, and a roll
    of Certs. And a dozen wieners and a couple of boxes of
    "original" (orange-coloured powdered cheese) K.D. And a
    shaker of Hy's Cajun Seasoning. And some lamb chops and
    turkey thighs to toss in the freezer. And some pepperoni
    and Twizzlers to gnaw on for the ride home.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Being so far up the Fraser Valley, I imagine you got a
    bigger dump of snow than we did in Vancouver (Proper.)
    That Pineapple Express is predicted to deluge us.
    Bring it on!

    Yeah it looks like serious rain tomorrow. But I think you might have gotten
    more snow. Abbotsford got a lot I heard. We got more today than last
    night. Wednesday looks nice. I'm 150 kilometers off my goal for the
    year -- a fitness goal I may actually attain for a change!

    My current goal is to attain a Nikon d40X DSLR camera.
    By the time I can afford it, there'll be something better
    available for the same price.

    Life is all about dealing with moving targets. I guess
    it keeps it interesting.

    cheers,
    Tom

    --
    Nothing is safe from me.
    I'm really at:
    tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

  8. On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 20:29:09 -0800, [email hidden] (Tom Keats)
    wrote, in part:

    Quoted message said:

    I was snowed out of riding, this weekend.

    Please don't "Icebike" me. In Vancouver
    we're talkin' "Slushbike" -- perhaps the
    worst weather conditions for riding, short
    of tornadoes, hurricanes or dense fog.


    /
    I insisted on riding just to spite the nasty stuff. The only bike
    with fenders and treaded tires is das Mule. I rode it all last winter
    just not on snow. Xtracycles are lots of fun on snow. That light
    rear end demands a gentle touch. Only two body dabs before I got it.

    Yesterday was beautiful. I had a head wind all the way to the PNE and
    was plastered with snow by the time I arrived. Visibility was an
    issue crossing the top of park. The ride home was grand. It had sorta
    stopped snowing and the streets were quiet. The surface was passable
    as the cars hadn't torn it all up yet.

    Today was horrible except for the bit I rode along on a closed Cambie
    Blvd. Alberta St was okay too because it hadn't been salted. Ontario
    St. sucked bad at the intersection.

    Riding on the snow wasn't too bad except the places where cars have
    screwed up the surface. The slush ruts are a [censored]. The surface
    challenges made a routine 27 minute ride into a 40 minute puzzle.

    I took the lane on Main coming home and got bathed in salted slurpee
    but made pretty good time compared to the "bike route" slush trough.
    --
    zk

  9. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Zoot Katz said:

    On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 20:29:09 -0800, [email hidden] (Tom Keats)
    wrote, in part:

    Quoted message said:

    I was snowed out of riding, this weekend.

    Please don't "Icebike" me. In Vancouver
    we're talkin' "Slushbike" -- perhaps the
    worst weather conditions for riding, short
    of tornadoes, hurricanes or dense fog.


    /
    I insisted on riding just to spite the nasty stuff.

    You're nutz <grin>

    Quoted message said:

    The only bike
    with fenders and treaded tires is das Mule. I rode it all last winter
    just not on snow. Xtracycles are lots of fun on snow. That light
    rear end demands a gentle touch. Only two body dabs before I got it.

    After hoofin' it to the laundromat, I subesquently
    hoofed it to the Cambie St retox centre. Multitudinous
    times I recovered from near wipeouts, umbrella in one
    hand, and eco-friendly shopping bag in the other.
    How one flails one's arms has a lot to do with recovering
    from wiping out.

    Quoted message said:

    Yesterday was beautiful.

    No it wasn't. Friday was beautiful. It was a Big Sky day,
    in fact. Saturday stunk, and Sunday stunk even worse.

    Quoted message said:

    I had a head wind all the way to the PNE and
    was plastered with snow by the time I arrived. Visibility was an
    issue crossing the top of park. The ride home was grand. It had sorta
    stopped snowing and the streets were quiet. The surface was passable
    as the cars hadn't torn it all up yet.

    Today was horrible

    Yes, it was.

    Quoted message said:

    except for the bit I rode along on a closed Cambie
    Blvd. Alberta St was okay too because it hadn't been salted. Ontario
    St. sucked bad at the intersection.

    There was a lake @ Cambie & 41st tonight. I had to jaywalk around it.

    Quoted message said:

    Riding on the snow wasn't too bad except the places where cars have
    screwed up the surface. The slush ruts are a [censored]. The surface
    challenges made a routine 27 minute ride into a 40 minute puzzle.

    I took the lane on Main coming home and got bathed in salted slurpee
    but made pretty good time compared to the "bike route" slush trough.

    Check-out Uncle Ming's Kitchen @ Main & 64th.

    They serve their stuff up on paper plates (and
    the tea in paper cups,) but it ain't bad. I like
    their Sing Cho chow mein. Walk outa there with a
    big yellow saffron curry smile on yer face.

    Across the street is Wo's. They make a to-die-for
    hot & sour soup with lots o' stuff in it.

    Both places proffer $5.oo(+/-) lunch deals.

    cheers,
    Tom

    --
    Nothing is safe from me.
    I'm really at:
    tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

  10. Tom Keats said:

    I was snowed out of riding, this weekend.

    Please don't "Icebike" me. In Vancouver
    we're talkin' "Slushbike" -- perhaps the
    worst weather conditions for riding, short
    of tornadoes, hurricanes or dense fog.

    Ice here this morning and my icebike isn't prep'ed yet
    for the season (studded knobbies/12v 20W headlight),
    so it's a V8/4WD global warmer ride to the office this
    morning.

    Quoted message said:

    Having to slog my weekly trip to the
    laundromat afoot was almost intolerable.

    Now you know how a Comanche felt when his horse got
    stolen!

    Quoted message said:

    What really chafes is that last Thursday &
    Friday were beautiful days, but I had to
    go to work. I get a crummy weekend, and
    then it'll be nice again during the upcoming
    work week.

    I hope it just rains next weekend.
    That, I can deal with.

    Nope! If it's winter and there's going to be
    precipitation, I want snow!

    SMH

  11. "Slush" is not snow. It's the weather's version of diarrhea.

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  12. From: [email hidden] (Jim Flom)

    Quoted message said:

    Be afraid. Be very afraid.
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071130.wcoldcold1130/BNStory/Science/home
    --
    JF

    Is it just me, or does that article sound a lot like the movie "The Day
    After Tomorrow"?

    - -
    Compliments of:
    "Your Friendly Neighborhood Wheelman"

    If you want to E-mail me use:
    ChrisZCorner "at" webtv "dot" net

    My website:
    http://geocities.com/czcorner

  13. On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 00:34:55 -0800, [email hidden] (Tom Keats)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    /
    I insisted on riding just to spite the nasty stuff.

    You're nutz <grin>

    I felt crazier today dressed in full rain gear. It stopped raining
    just as I'd left the house and I didn't see another drop until I was
    almost home again. The sun was out and the warm temperatures made it
    feel more like spring.
    --
    zk

  14. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Zoot Katz said:

    On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 00:34:55 -0800, [email hidden] (Tom Keats)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    /
    I insisted on riding just to spite the nasty stuff.

    You're nutz <grin>

    I felt crazier today dressed in full rain gear. It stopped raining
    just as I'd left the house and I didn't see another drop until I was
    almost home again. The sun was out and the warm temperatures made it
    feel more like spring.

    If spring comes with 50 mph headwinds! :-( (Bellingham)
    OTOH, the trip home was a "breeze" :-)

    --Mike

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  15. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Zoot Katz said:

    On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 00:34:55 -0800, [email hidden] (Tom Keats)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    /
    I insisted on riding just to spite the nasty stuff.

    You're nutz <grin>

    I felt crazier today dressed in full rain gear. It stopped raining
    just as I'd left the house and I didn't see another drop until I was
    almost home again. The sun was out and the warm temperatures made it
    feel more like spring.

    You must've been stewing in your own juices.

    I have yet to try out those rain pants I got
    from MEC. I ripped that cheap poncho I got from
    Canadian Tire. Oh, well. I guess I got my $3.59
    worth of use from it. And I still have the
    dry sack, which might be useful for other stuff.

    I've gotta get to 3-Vets and acquire another pair
    of those $10 cordura gaiters.

    Gotta love this mercurial weather -- ya step outside
    to see what it's like, and ya see it's raining.
    So you go back inside, suit-up appropriately, step
    outside again and the rain has stopped and the sky
    is beginning to clear up. Step inside again to doff
    all the rain gear, only to find it's raining again.

    That's what I really appreciated about my dearly
    departed rain cape -- putting it on/taking it off
    was no major undertaking. Unlike those MEC rain
    pants (which, BTW, don't have slits to access
    underlying trouser pockets.)

    cheers,
    Tom

    --
    Nothing is safe from me.
    I'M really at:
    tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

  16. In article <[email hidden]>,

    (It's Chris) said:

    "Slush" is not snow. It's the weather's version of diarrhea.

    That's a good way of phrasing it.

    Vancouver snow actually does start out as real snow,
    coming down from the north and across the Western
    Cordillera mountains. But then the more temperate
    ocean weather from the west has to meddle with it.
    It's kind of like the ol' one-two punch combination.

    In the darkness of night a slush puddle at the end
    of a sidewalk at an intersection has a very granular
    appearance, just like asphalt. In fact it looks like
    wet asphalt.

    Some of those suckers get to be a foot or more deep
    when the storm drains back up, as one discovers when
    stepping into them.

    cheers,
    Tom

    --
    Nothing is safe from me.
    I'm really at:
    tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

  17. On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 01:08:28 -0800, [email hidden] (Tom Keats)

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Zoot Katz said:

    On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 00:34:55 -0800, [email hidden] (Tom Keats)

    Quoted message said:

    > /
    > I insisted on riding just to spite the nasty stuff.

    You're nutz <grin>

    I felt crazier today dressed in full rain gear. It stopped raining
    just as I'd left the house and I didn't see another drop until I was
    almost home again. The sun was out and the warm temperatures made it
    feel more like spring.

    You must've been stewing in your own juices.


    Well, actually not. There's sufficient ventilation in the jacket and
    the under garments wick. I just had to remove an insulating layer
    until the evening ride home.

    The Sugoi rain pants (they classed them as them "tights"😉 don't fit
    over trousers or shoes. They're fleece lined so I wear them over
    shorts or knickers and poly knit tights in really cold weather.
    The Activa booties are a bit of a hassle to put on but I've always
    been comfortable and dry in that rain gear.

    Quoted message said:

    I have yet to try out those rain pants I got
    from MEC. I ripped that cheap poncho I got from
    Canadian Tire. Oh, well. I guess I got my $3.59
    worth of use from it. And I still have the
    dry sack, which might be useful for other stuff.

    I've gotta get to 3-Vets and acquire another pair
    of those $10 cordura gaiters.

    Gotta love this mercurial weather -- ya step outside
    to see what it's like, and ya see it's raining.
    So you go back inside, suit-up appropriately, step
    outside again and the rain has stopped and the sky
    is beginning to clear up. Step inside again to doff
    all the rain gear, only to find it's raining again.


    Today the rain had subsided to spits and showers when I was dressing
    to leave. It started raining again halfway up the hill and continued
    to rain all my way to Commercial Drive. It kept raining so I finished
    my business down there and rode back to Mt. Pleasant before the rain
    stopped long enough for me to have a coffee in the sun.

    Quoted message said:

    That's what I really appreciated about my dearly
    departed rain cape -- putting it on/taking it off
    was no major undertaking. Unlike those MEC rain
    pants (which, BTW, don't have slits to access
    underlying trouser pockets.)


    Neither pair of my K-Way rain pants nor the Sugoi ones have trouser
    pocket access. Even the Pioneer brand construction grade bibs require
    reaching over the waistband for pocket access. They do have a zipped
    rain proof fly though. It's like putting holes in a boat; you want to
    keep 'em to the minimum.

    I wore a pair of K-way for the Sunday slush-fest figuring I'd fall
    and didn't to hole the good pants. I fell though didn't hole the
    coated nylon. My lower half was drenched by the time I got home.
    Saturday's snow and colder temperature I wore only double front
    dungarees over lycra bib knickers and no rain jacket. I just brushed
    off the snow that plastered my front and had plenty of time to dry at
    my destination before riding home.

    Okay, Saturday night was more beautiful than Saturday day. I rode
    home part way with Donald and Chris. Ours were the only tire tracks
    on parts of the ride. We met a few other cyclists out enjoying the
    silence. Snow, real snow, in Vancouverr is always magical.

    I'll try to remember packing that cape like you lost. Ask me for it
    next time we bump into each other. I might have it with me and
    forgotten. It's seldom been used and the only use I can think of
    would be partial rain protection for the rare passenger on the
    Xtracycle. Check The Grind whenever you're down that way.
    --
    zk

  18. Zoot Katz said:

    over trousers or shoes. They're fleece lined so I wear them over
    shorts or knickers and poly knit tights in really cold weather.

    Knickers??!!!

    There's a type of clothing one doesn't hear much of any more!

    I would think it would be either shorts or full length wear
    tights or pants. The three quarter length of knickers seems
    obsolete.

    Most of my "cycling clothes" are actually warm fabric blends
    of underwear or polartec type vests or coats over normal street
    clothes. I do take the marine rain gear out of the boat during
    winter storage and transfer it to the bike for anti-slush,
    snow or rain work.

    But I would think knickers would be an "in between" duty garment
    better substituted with other types of apparel.

    We are talking the three quarter length pants (to the calves),
    right? Perhaps tighter fitting than the type used by 1930's
    golfers I suppose.

    SMH

  19. Stephen Harding said:
    Zoot Katz said:

    over trousers or shoes. They're fleece lined so I wear them over
    shorts or knickers and poly knit tights in really cold weather.

    Knickers??!!!

    There's a type of clothing one doesn't hear much of any more!

    I would think it would be either shorts or full length wear
    tights or pants. The three quarter length of knickers seems
    obsolete.


    Maybe obsolete but I like 'em. The little bit of knee coverage is
    nice when the weather is iffy and turns colder.

    I've two pair of bib knickers and one pair with a waistband. The
    waistband pair is only suitable for underwear at this point. I'll
    replace them with bibs because they're more comfortable. I wear them
    mostly in spring and fall or in winter as a base layer.

    I've a nice pair of wool climbing knickers that always get favourable
    comments from style savvy cyclists. I wear them with knee socks and
    shorts or knickers under them.

    Quoted message said:

    Most of my "cycling clothes" are actually warm fabric blends
    of underwear or polartec type vests or coats over normal street
    clothes. I do take the marine rain gear out of the boat during
    winter storage and transfer it to the bike for anti-slush,
    snow or rain work.

    But I would think knickers would be an "in between" duty garment
    better substituted with other types of apparel.

    We are talking the three quarter length pants (to the calves),
    right? Perhaps tighter fitting than the type used by 1930's
    golfers I suppose.


    I have a two pairs of docked trousers and a pair of wool loggers
    pants that are a bit longer than knickers or "plus fours". I like 'em
    because they stay out of the chainwheel. They look okay with tights
    sticking out the bottom or better with anklets. They just look like
    your pants are too short when worn with regular sport socks.
    --
    zk

  20. On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:55:22 -0800, Zoot Katz
    <[email hidden]> wrote and then added:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    I would think it would be either shorts or full length wear
    tights or pants. The three quarter length of knickers seems
    obsolete.


    Maybe obsolete but I like 'em. The little bit of knee coverage is
    nice when the weather is iffy and turns colder.

    Showing a bit of calf is tres-sexy in an understated way.
    Scarified shins or maybe a little ink are sexier than varicose veins.
    Greasy chainring tattoos are hot on bare flesh, not hot on chinos.
    --
    zk

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