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  1. Dear all,

    how many of you carry a snow shovel? I was looking today around Edinburgh
    outdoor stores as I was thinking of taking one with me this weekend to dig a
    snow hole should I get into trouble... or dig the car out!

    I saw this one: http://gearreview.com/shop/prod_details.php?sku=BLD0589

    The "Black Diamond Telescoping Bobcat Shovel" was £40, the non telescopic
    version was £30!

    In your informed opinions are either of these a good investment (and how
    easy are they to lug up a hill / connect to a bag?)

    Thanks again,

    Ian 🙂

  2. go to an army surplus store and get a folding shovel

    should cost a tenner and it'll be sturdier than that £30 one

    "Ian MacDougall" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Dear all,

    how many of you carry a snow shovel? I was looking today around Edinburgh
    outdoor stores as I was thinking of taking one with me this weekend to dig
    a snow hole should I get into trouble... or dig the car out!

    I saw this one: http://gearreview.com/shop/prod_details.php?sku=BLD0589

    The "Black Diamond Telescoping Bobcat Shovel" was £40, the non telescopic
    version was £30!

    In your informed opinions are either of these a good investment (and how
    easy are they to lug up a hill / connect to a bag?)

    Thanks again,

    Ian 🙂

  3. Ian MacDougall <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    Dear all,

    how many of you carry a snow shovel? I was looking today around Edinburgh
    outdoor stores as I was thinking of taking one with me this weekend to dig a
    snow hole should I get into trouble... or dig the car out!


    I used to put a navvies shovel in the boot when setting off over the
    Snake Pass for a walk on the wild side when there was a chance of snow,
    but nowadays I just take a small coal shovel. Last time I got the
    car stuck on packed icy snow I had forgotten it, and had to improvise
    with the sharp end of an umbrella. :-)

    The only time we used the navvies shovel was to get a silly woman going
    who had driven down into the Goyt Valley shortly after the snow ploughs
    had cleared the narrow lane. She had two young kids in the car,
    too.....

    We walked back to my car and retrieved the shovel and dug her enough
    hard ground to get going....
    --
    Gordon Harris

  4. Ian MacDougall said:

    Dear all,

    how many of you carry a snow shovel? I was looking today around Edinburgh
    outdoor stores as I was thinking of taking one with me this weekend to dig a
    snow hole should I get into trouble... or dig the car out!

    I saw this one: http://gearreview.com/shop/prod_details.php?sku=BLD0589

    The "Black Diamond Telescoping Bobcat Shovel" was £40, the non telescopic
    version was £30!

    In your informed opinions are either of these a good investment (and how
    easy are they to lug up a hill / connect to a bag?)

    Thanks again,

    Ian 🙂

    Go for metal (aluminium) rather than plastic if you're thinking of
    taking it out on the hills. The plastic ones struggle with hard-pack.

    I have an old Camp shovel attachment for an ice axe. Works a treat,
    saves the weight and bulk of an additional handle.

    druidh

  5. "Ian MacDougall" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Dear all,

    Quoted message said:

    how many of you carry a snow shovel? I was looking today around Edinburgh
    outdoor stores as I was thinking of taking one with me this weekend to dig


    a

    Quoted message said:

    snow hole should I get into trouble... or dig the car out!

    I saw this one: http://gearreview.com/shop/prod_details.php?sku=BLD0589

    The "Black Diamond Telescoping Bobcat Shovel" was £40, the non telescopic
    version was £30!

    Quoted message said:

    In your informed opinions are either of these a good investment (and how
    easy are they to lug up a hill / connect to a bag?)

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks again,

    Quoted message said:

    Ian 🙂

    SOS do a good telescopic one.

    Some excellent holes in Corrie Dohain at the moment, spent a few hours in
    this one on Sunday, shocking conditions outside!, One route in Corrie nan
    Sneacda was enough! http://www.stuartstuart.fsnet.co.uk/temp/

  6. "Stuart" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht
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    Quoted message said:


    "Ian MacDougall" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Dear all,

    Quoted message said:

    how many of you carry a snow shovel? I was looking today around Edinburgh
    outdoor stores as I was thinking of taking one with me this weekend to
    dig


    a

    Quoted message said:

    snow hole should I get into trouble... or dig the car out!

    I saw this one: http://gearreview.com/shop/prod_details.php?sku=BLD0589

    The "Black Diamond Telescoping Bobcat Shovel" was £40, the non telescopic
    version was £30!

    Quoted message said:

    In your informed opinions are either of these a good investment (and how
    easy are they to lug up a hill / connect to a bag?)

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks again,

    Quoted message said:

    Ian 🙂

    SOS do a good telescopic one.

    Some excellent holes in Corrie Dohain at the moment, spent a few hours in
    this one on Sunday, shocking conditions outside!, One route in Corrie nan
    Sneacda was enough! http://www.stuartstuart.fsnet.co.uk/temp/

    Wooow, that looks like some arctic expedition !

    --
    Theo
    www.theosphotos.fotopic.net

  7. Quoted message said:

    Some excellent holes in Corrie Dohain at the moment, spent a few hours in
    this one on Sunday, shocking conditions outside!, One route in Corrie nan
    Sneacda was enough! http://www.stuartstuart.fsnet.co.uk/temp/


    You owe me rent!!

    Dave

  8. Quoted message said:

    Some excellent holes in Corrie Dohain at the moment, spent a few hours in
    this one on Sunday, shocking conditions outside!, One route in Corrie nan
    Sneacda was enough! http://www.stuartstuart.fsnet.co.uk/temp/

    Not a bad wee hole at all! Almost looks comfortable!

    Nice work on the panoramas by the way... really good stuff.

    Ian 🙂

  9. It is bloody difficult to dig a car out of a snow drift with a pair of skis
    and an ice axe. I reckon I could have done the job in 10 minutes with a
    shovel (of the snow, or common variety), rather than 2 hours+.

    Regarding use on the hills - if your sharing one, it's best if the other
    chap carries it!

    Still haven't got one, but probably should; though not so useful for solo
    trips (see previous point)

    Hywel

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    Quoted message said:

    Some excellent holes in Corrie Dohain at the moment, spent a few hours


    in

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    this one on Sunday, shocking conditions outside!, One route in Corrie


    nan

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Sneacda was enough! http://www.stuartstuart.fsnet.co.uk/temp/

    Not a bad wee hole at all! Almost looks comfortable!

    I believe it had been created about a fortnight ago, the roof at that stage
    would have been a good foot or so higher, they creep (or slump) down with
    time!

    At one point on Sunday there was 10 people in there, it was decidedly warm,
    and like any good snow hole it was silent, and totally detached from the
    foul conditions that persisted outside! A wonderful place to overnight in
    with a few mates and a bottle of whiskey, if you ever get an opportunity, go
    for it!

    As to you original question, I don't have a specific lightweight
    mountaineering snow shovel, and if I had, I would never carry it as some
    sort of safety thing, My reasons, a) too heavy, b) take up too much space,
    c) Suitable places to dig good holes are not that easy to find, so the
    chances are you would never find one in an emergency, and d) if I had enough
    energy to dig a hole then I would have enough energy to keep going and get
    off.

    When I have dug my own snow holes to overnight in as a planned trip, I have
    taken in a proper shovel (the type of thing you would mix a batch of
    concrete up with) good snow holes are hard work and need proper tools,

  11. On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 20:36:07 GMT, druidh <[email hidden]>

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    I have an old Camp shovel attachment for an ice axe. Works a treat,
    saves the weight and bulk of an additional handle.

    I've got one of these too, and it's excellent. Unfortunately, I no
    longer use my walking axe (too long) but take a bent-shafted climbing
    axe instead, and the shovel won't fir onto the shaft :-( So if you
    get one of these (and I'd recommend them), it's worth taking your axe
    with you to the shop to make sure it fits!

    Simon

    --
    Stop ID cards and the Database State
    http://www.no2id.net/

  12. "druidh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Ian MacDougall said:

    Dear all,
    how many of you carry a snow shovel? I was looking today around


    Edinburgh

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    outdoor stores as I was thinking of taking one with me this weekend to


    dig a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    snow hole should I get into trouble... or dig the car out!

    Go for metal (aluminium) rather than plastic if you're thinking of
    taking it out on the hills. The plastic ones struggle with hard-pack.

    I have an old Camp shovel attachment for an ice axe. Works a treat,
    saves the weight and bulk of an additional handle.
    druidh

    I'm carrying a snow shovel at the moment, but when I really needed digging
    out, it was summer, and I'd got stuck in the very light sandy "parking
    areas" in Breckland.

    --
    M Stewart
    Milton Keynes, UK
    http://www.megalith.freeserve.co.uk/oddimage.htm

  13. Ian MacDougall said:

    how many of you carry a snow shovel? I was looking today around Edinburgh
    outdoor stores as I was thinking of taking one with me this weekend to dig a
    snow hole should I get into trouble... or dig the car out!

    I usually take one if I'm ski touring, less often when walking. One
    utility not on your list of reasons is quicker and better avalanche
    prediction pits, plus quicker and better seats for a pit stop.

    The prediction pits are more likely to be needed skiing because you
    cover more ground and aim specifically for the sorts of places where
    avalanches are more likely. I wouldn't generally take one /just/ for
    emergency snowholing: in an emergency you can use an axe which isn't as
    easy as a shovel but OTOH means you don't carry around a shovel for not
    much reason.
    If you're planning a snowhole then definitely take one.

    Quoted message said:

    In your informed opinions are either of these a good investment (and how
    easy are they to lug up a hill / connect to a bag?)

    Most have detachable blades, so they're easy enough to fit in a bag.
    Some packs have a shovel flap, like the Lowe Contour Mountain bags.
    Telescopic ones are IMHO better because they're easier to stow while
    still having useful leverage for better digging.

    If you only have snowholes in mind then get a curved metal blade (such
    as the Norwegian Whitco shovel), as these are significantly easier to
    hack into hard nevee with. Flat blades are better for prediction pits
    and a little easier for general shovelling of snow.

    Plastic blades are lighter and are fine in soft snow, but for Uk
    conditions where hard nevee is more likely a metal one is IMHO a better bet.

    Also worth considering, on the avalanche front, is a collapsible probe.
    As well as hunting for avalanche victims it's handy for sounding out
    stuff like cornices and if the place you want to dig a snowhole is
    actually deep enough snow. The light carbon fibre ones like Ortovox do
    are very light and slide easily down the side of a pack. An alternative
    is something like the Backcountry Access shovel which has a collapsible
    probe stowed in the handle. We have a set for the ski club (Braemar
    MRT's recommendation), and they're good though I think a little on the
    overly chunky side, and I prefer my Voile telescopic with a separate
    Ortovox carbon probe.

    I like mine, but I had it for ski touring anyway. For general walking
    I'd probably not bother unless you're regularly out in deep snow, when
    it is an asset to staying safe by not getting avalanched, or digging out
    people that are. To dig out the car, just keep a cheaper and heavier
    implement in the car. Ex-army entrenching tools are good as they fold
    to a relatively compact size and you can lock the blade as an adze for
    easier hacking at hard stuff. Bit heavy to wander round with though.

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

  14. Following up to Ian MacDougall

    Quoted message said:

    how many of you carry a snow shovel?

    shovel and chains in the boot, never get used unless I go north,
    though.
    --
    Mike Reid
    Wasdale-Thames path-London-photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
    Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap

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