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  1. Original post
    manicpanicmuni
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    :eek:

    just been cruisin round the german forums n bumped into this. Looks
    nasty. I also heard arthur caron snapped an orange bud devil frame in
    like 1 month and loadsa other ppl too. I swear maybe its cos koxx
    frames quality is really [censored] now. i saw a mates one and the legs are
    not even 100 percent in line with the crown, its slightly angled to one
    side it seems.

    [image:
    http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=21561&stc=1&d=1186435804]

    discuss. i guess this aint too encouragin to all those owners of custom
    koxx one unis. more devils have snapped than kris holm frames, and kh
    frames are alu whilst devils are steel. just goes to show how [censored]
    quality taiwan steel welding can b.

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  2. amanda.gallacher
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    -"Die white russian gabel hab ich mir vor ca. 2 Monaten gekauft
    und jetzt ist sie Abfall !
    Ich werde demnächst eine Kris Holm Gabel zulegen........
    oder habt ihr einen besseren Rat ?
    lg Eli"-

    Here is the translation of the original post:
    *I bought the white russian frame 2 months ago and now its trash!
    I'll buy a Kris Holm frame soon.........
    or do you have a better suggestion?
    cheers Eli*

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    Smilymarco said:

    its just too small


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  3. Brian O.
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    That being said, does anyone know how large the clearance of the most
    recent batch of Nimbus II frames is on a CC?

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  4. brendan
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    isnt the kh frame welded in taiwan too?

    and that is one hell of a snap.... i guess this is koxx1 marketing -
    make the frames real weak so people will buy the XTP !

    hey that could work..... 😄

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  5. torkerdx
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    brendan said:

    isnt the kh frame welded in taiwan too?

    and that is one hell of a snap.... i guess this is koxx1 marketing -
    make the frames real weak so people will buy the XTP !

    hey that could work..... 😄

    and aren't the XTP frames even weaker?
    might be to get more people to ride KH... not that that would benefit
    koxx...

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    gordito8me said:

    it's like running across the highway at rush hour. Dangerous, stupid,
    but not really that fun.

    Unicaw89 said:

    Koxx rapes Torker hard!

    skianduniaddict said:

    never give 4 teenagers a camera... they go crazy

    johnfoss said:

    Yes, being old makes you stupid.


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  6. Mikeswarbrick
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    torkerdx said:

    and aren't the XTP frames even weaker?
    might be to get more people to ride KH... not that that would benefit
    koxx...

    XTP's aren't weaker at all. I don't know anyone who has snapped one.
    Yoggi snapped a prototype, but that can't count surely.

    We also don't know how this happenend, a guy at FLUCK broke his KH
    frame by jumping on the tyre down 4 pallets (or something similar).

    Mike

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  7. Joe2005
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    Brian O. said:

    That being said, does anyone know how large the clearance of the most
    recent batch of Nimbus II frames is on a CC?

    i'd say under 1/4 inch. havent measured it or anything but its pretty
    small.

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  8. torkerdx
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    Mikeswarbrick said:

    XTP's aren't weaker at all. I don't know anyone who has snapped one.
    Yoggi snapped a prototype, but that can't count surely.

    We also don't know how this happenend, a guy at FLUCK broke his KH
    frame by jumping on the tyre down 4 pallets (or something similar).

    Mike

    but how many people ride them?
    and down 4 pallets on the tire is a lot of sideways force against the
    seat tube,

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    gordito8me said:

    it's like running across the highway at rush hour. Dangerous, stupid,
    but not really that fun.

    Unicaw89 said:

    Koxx rapes Torker hard!

    skianduniaddict said:

    never give 4 teenagers a camera... they go crazy

    johnfoss said:

    Yes, being old makes you stupid.


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  9. Mikeswarbrick
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    torkerdx said:

    but how many people ride them?
    and down 4 pallets on the tire is a lot of sideways force against the
    seat tube,

    How many people ride XTP's did you mean? Quite a lot, more in Europe
    than in America.

    That's what I'm saying, this person who snapped the Koxx frame might
    have done something similarly silly.

    Mike

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  10. Brian O.
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    Joe2005 said:

    i'd say under 1/4 inch. havent measured it or anything but its pretty
    small.

    Awesome, thanks.

    From what google translation was able to tell me from that german
    thread, the rider noticed that the weld on one leg had a crack in it
    but kept riding and a short while after the other leg broke.

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  11. oneisenough
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    dang... thats one heck of a snap!:eek:

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  12. captainkrunk61
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    Brian O. said:

    That being said, does anyone know how large the clearance of the most
    recent batch of Nimbus II frames is on a CC?

    it's really low, like a couple mm's. that's what I use.

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  13. ntappin
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    brendan said:

    isnt the kh frame welded in taiwan too?

    and that is one hell of a snap.... i guess this is koxx1 marketing -
    make the frames real weak so people will buy the XTP !

    hey that could work..... 😄

    It is made in Taiwan, but KH does regular quality and safety
    inspections personaly.

    Plus a steel frame should be stronger than an Alu frame. Still though
    until I find out how he snapped his frame (so gruesomely too) I won't
    cast too much blame.

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  14. gerblefranklin
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    Goddamnit. I just wrote a post but "the server was too busy".

    Well, here's a repeat:

    I don't care about Koxx frames, and also don't know anything about
    them, having never examined one in person, but from the picture, here's
    my take on why it broke and who's fault that is:

    However easy (or generally correct) it is to conclude that cheap
    Taiwanese welding is [censored], I strongly believe that is not the case
    here. One of the best tests of a weld's quality (especially with steel)
    is during catastrophic failure (we can agree this is under that
    category), whether or not the weld itself breaks, or if the metal
    surrounding the weld fails first. That's how my boss tested my welds
    when he first taught me how to weld. Notice in this case how when the
    frame broke, it actually took entire sections out of the sides of the
    forklegs. That means that the welds themselves didn't fail, but the
    metal surrounding them did. That indicates that the walls of the
    forklegs are too thin at the crown, and/or that there is not a large
    enough joint between the crown and the forklegs. Either way, it's the
    designer's fault, not the welder's. That said, I've heard of
    cost-cutting at factories by using thinner walled tubing, but that's an
    issue of Koxx's quality control.

    Maybe this will help.

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  15. puresyn
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    brendan said:

    isnt the kh frame welded in taiwan too?

    and that is one hell of a snap.... i guess this is koxx1 marketing -
    make the frames real weak so people will buy the XTP !

    hey that could work..... 😄

    I was told theres 3 main super bike plants in Taiwan that cranks out
    the majority of bikes and the likes for the world. Haro, KHS, Trek,
    Giant, ... Kris Holm, Koxx1...etc. Sounds like the frame was made on a
    Friday. Even a Porsche made on a Friday at 4pm will have defects.

    So make sure you never buy a Gibson, Martin, or Taylor guitar made on a
    Friday!

    But yeah, that still sucks. I am even more glad I went with a KH20 now.
    Maybe he can order a unicycle frame made from same material as the
    little black box from airplanes. They survive anything!

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  16. Brian O.
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    Interesting insight gerblefranklin, thanks for that.

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  17. brendan
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    ntappin said:

    It is made in Taiwan, but KH does regular quality and safety inspections
    personaly.

    Plus a steel frame should be stronger than an Alu frame. Still though
    until I find out how he snapped his frame (so gruesomely too) I won't
    cast too much blame.

    yeah i know - I also was sure of the fact kh frames were made in taiwan
    - the idea was just to say that, just cause its made in taiwan doesnt
    mean its bad!

    And funny you say its not the welds and the material that's too thin -
    because then that would have meant they put less metal in their new
    frames - their old frames dont seem to break - and they didnt brag
    about less weight or anything...

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  18. agentQ
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    brendan said:

    they didnt brag about less weight or anything...

    Pringles doesnt brag when they decide to put 6 less chips in every
    tube.

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  19. brendan
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    pringles dont brag when they change the colour of the packet either...
    but koxx do :P (i mean look its the "white russian" - same as before -
    in white.... WOW)

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  20. CKCrowe
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    my torker DX frame still hasnt snapped, really strong, am enjoying it,
    doing rolling hops ect... on it all the time, and really working it
    hard....
    thats crazy how the frame snapped, do Koxx frames what are the sizes on
    them compared to the DX? What is the weight of a Koxx frame to a DX to
    a KH?

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