Slipstreaming

"That may be true, but Absent Husband is fat and lazy.

(Sorry dude, you know I don't mean that!)

Tam, who will no doubt get chased down in a big way, next time "

<snip>

Just spent the last 5 minutes lying in the foetal position, sobbing, on
the SSH library floor... 😉

*laughing* Fat? True. Lazy? Working on that....!!

I already spend most of the commutes in 'chasing' mode!! I think you'll
be safe from any risk of me actually managing to eventually chase you
down... But let me know if you plan on using that mtb for any future
commutes!

AH

Absent Husband said:

"That may be true, but Absent Husband is fat and lazy.

(Sorry dude, you know I don't mean that!)

Tam, who will no doubt get chased down in a big way, next time "

<snip>

Just spent the last 5 minutes lying in the foetal position, sobbing, on
the SSH library floor... 😉

*laughing* Fat? True. Lazy? Working on that....!!

I already spend most of the commutes in 'chasing' mode!! I think you'll
be safe from any risk of me actually managing to eventually chase you
down... But let me know if you plan on using that mtb for any future
commutes!

AH

Yech! God no! That saddle needs replacing. The good thing about taking
the bike off road was that it didn't matter, because I wasn't in the
saddle at all. The few km of bitumen we did hurt like ... something
painful anyway. Everyone laughed at my mtb setup like a roadie, but
general consensus was that it didn't matter for XC MTB. However, I don't
know how I used to commute on MTB, I need my dozer back!

Tam

PiledHigher said:

Tamyka Bell said:

That's the problem with sprinters, they don't wash.

Tam

You do know that Hippy is a sprinter!

PiledHigher

Yes, that's why I made the comment.

Tam

Carl Brewer said:

I'm not fat and lazy, I'm a sprinter.

Well, we'll see you at DISC then, big fella...........

Not being able to climb doesn't mean that you are automatically a sprinter.

Shabby said:

Carl Brewer said:

I'm not fat and lazy, I'm a sprinter.

Well, we'll see you at DISC then, big fella...........

Not being able to climb doesn't mean that you are automatically a
sprinter.

If I wanted to go round & round in circles, I'd flush myself
down the toilet more regularly 🙂

Carl Brewer said:

Doesn't worry me at all, it's a compliment. Except when racing 🙂
What am I doing on the front in a race anyway?!

Winning the sprint of course ;-)

--
BrettS

Carl Brewer said:

On Mon, 30 May 2005 17:00:08 +1000, Shabby

Quoted message said:

Carl Brewer said:

I'm not fat and lazy, I'm a sprinter.

Well, we'll see you at DISC then, big fella...........

Not being able to climb doesn't mean that you are automatically a
sprinter.

If I wanted to go round & round in circles, I'd flush myself
down the toilet more regularly 🙂

ha ha ha! In the words of South Park, IT'S ON!

Seriously though, some people don't like it if there are 'passengers' in the bunch (in a race). Those people are completely and utterly wrong. Racing is about trying to win, maybe executing a team strategy or outsmarting the bunch. Swapping turns nicely for two hours followed by a sprint really doesn't give many people a chance to win... Hills are a good place to try to get rid of passengers, but if there are no hills, then the race can slow down and have sporadic bursts of speed to try and sort out the bunch (or be sorted out, if you're me!)

On the other hand, bunch rides are (or ought to be) fun, social occasions and it's nice to lend a hand to the group, especially to weaker riders. But this is chalk and cheese when compared to racing...

2 cents,
Ritch

ritcho said:

Seriously though, some people don't like it if there are 'passengers'
in the bunch (in a race). Those people are completely and utterly
wrong. Racing is about trying to win, maybe executing a team strategy
or outsmarting the bunch. Swapping turns nicely for two hours followed
by a sprint really doesn't give many people a chance to win... Hills
are a good place to try to get rid of passengers, but if there are no
hills, then the race can slow down and have sporadic bursts of speed to
try and sort out the bunch (or be sorted out, if you're me!)

On the other hand, bunch rides are (or ought to be) fun, social
occasions and it's nice to lend a hand to the group, especially to
weaker riders. But this is chalk and cheese when compared to racing...

Hand that man a beer, by jove, he's got it.

Tamyka Bell wrote:
H

Quoted message said:

Yech! God no! That saddle needs replacing. The good thing about taking
the bike off road was that it didn't matter, because I wasn't in the
saddle at all. The few km of bitumen we did hurt like ... something
painful anyway. Everyone laughed at my mtb setup like a roadie, but
general consensus was that it didn't matter for XC MTB. However, I don't
know how I used to commute on MTB, I need my dozer back!

Tam

Tri bars for long gravel roads work really well, and because you have
shockies on they're suprisingly comfortable.

marty

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> "nebakke" == nebakke <[email hidden]> writes:

nebakke> Hi Guys, Just curious, I've been wondering about this for
nebakke> many years now... Why is slipstreaming such a big issue
nebakke> with most riders?

Human nature. If there's a massive headwind and you pull someone for 10
odd kilometers only to have them overtake you and disappear in a puff of
smoke; well that's just downright rude in my book. Nothing wrong with
slip streaming but if it's done in a social (i.e. commuting) context you
should at least share the load.

Personally I don't get any closer than a meter and a half to a bicycle
in front. I'd rather work a little harder and have the room to stop if
need be.
--
Cheers
Euan

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> "David" == David Trudgett <<[email hidden]> > writes:

David> Not having ever raced before, I suppose it's a bit hard to
David> grok, but I think I get it.

``A Significant Other'' explains it pretty well. Unfortunately I've
only read the first half, book got nicked with my laptop :-(
--
Cheers
Euan

Euan said:

"A Significant Other'' explains it pretty well. Unfortunately I've only read the first half, book got nicked with my laptop :-(

Dude, I have DaveB's 'book sharing' copy over here.. postage is probably more than the book costs though. 🙁

Damn! That's another thing that I really need to be in Australia for...

hippy :S

PiledHigher said:

You do know that Hippy is a sprinter!

Hippies don't wash either..
Double the pong! 🙂

hippy

Marty said:

Tamyka Bell wrote:
H

Quoted message said:

Yech! God no! That saddle needs replacing. The good thing about taking
the bike off road was that it didn't matter, because I wasn't in the
saddle at all. The few km of bitumen we did hurt like ... something
painful anyway. Everyone laughed at my mtb setup like a roadie, but
general consensus was that it didn't matter for XC MTB. However, I don't
know how I used to commute on MTB, I need my dozer back!

Tam

Tri bars for long gravel roads work really well, and because you have
shockies on they're suprisingly comfortable.

marty

Noted for future reference, thanks Marty.

Tam

Great quote by Greg Griffiths , Behind the Counter page 94 Bicycling Australia March*April 2005 in his article captioned [font=Arial Narrow]"Sacred Space"[/font]

"Whatever you decide to do, please do not join the ranks of those precious few who dream that they are so special that no one is fit to ride in their wake."

🙂

nebakke said:

Hi Guys,

Just curious, I've been wondering about this for many years now...
Why is slipstreaming such a big issue with most riders? I can see the
whole point of sharing the workload and all, but I mean if you've got
good legs one day and someone slipstreams for a couple of KMs because
they don't why is it a worry, it's not like you suddenly have to push
twice as much air or something.
I'm only asking because I had a girl slipstreaming me from Toowong to
QUT this morning and I realised that I have seen plenty of people get
quite peewed off over that same thing, which is why I never do it,
seems kind of impolite.
Anyways, to me it's kind of a compliment I guess, I mean if I'm going
fast enough for them to consider it worth it slipstreaming then great,
of course I'm also of a size where it'd be like riding without any wind
at all, but that's a different matter.
I've had that happen to me twice in the last week now, for all the
years that I've ridden in Denmark I think that's about the same amount
of times it's happened there so is it just different here?

-Rasmus

The only considerations really should be politeness and safety. If I
don't know that you're on my wheel then don't complain if I don't warn
you about hazards or apply the brakes at the last moment. Conversely if
I hop onto your wheel is it okay if I say hi, ask if it is okay, ask if
you want me to take a turn or just stay out of the way.
Its a bike thing, car drivers can do it but there's some element of
lethality to the braking distance that seems to put most off. Cyclists
don't seem to think of other cyclists as 'tailgaters', but they might
call the same people that if they were in cars on the way to an event.
Funny that. Bikes allow a more personal interaction, so if you don't
want someone on your wheel you can just turn around and say so,
fisticuffs are rarely needed. Try that in a car.

And a cure for tailgaters? Try slowing down just ever so gradually then
come to a complete and silent stop. Sometimes you catch the tailgater
following your every move and stopping also. Count the seconds off until
something twigs. Maybe some tailgaters are just zombie drivers but who
wants to feed zombies, better to train 'em.

nebakke said:

Hi Guys,

Just curious, I've been wondering about this for many years now...
Why is slipstreaming such a big issue with most riders? I can see the
whole point of sharing the workload and all, but I mean if you've got
good legs one day and someone slipstreams for a couple of KMs because
they don't why is it a worry, it's not like you suddenly have to push
twice as much air or something.
I'm only asking because I had a girl slipstreaming me from Toowong to
QUT this morning and I realised that I have seen plenty of people get
quite peewed off over that same thing, which is why I never do it,
seems kind of impolite.
Anyways, to me it's kind of a compliment I guess, I mean if I'm going
fast enough for them to consider it worth it slipstreaming then great,
of course I'm also of a size where it'd be like riding without any wind
at all, but that's a different matter.
I've had that happen to me twice in the last week now, for all the
years that I've ridden in Denmark I think that's about the same amount
of times it's happened there so is it just different here?

-Rasmus

Since ive been riding in The Netherlands, its happened quite a few times and always in the same spot. On this longish bridge, thats not steep but as close to a hill as you can get here. Its happened often when i proceed to start going up it, a road bike seemingly pops out of nowhere and is on my wheel. I do admit that i try and go up this "hill" (just a prepubescent bump) fast, as its the only uphill i can find, but i cant say im exactly flying up. As ive see women in knee high boots, tight jeans, all covered in makeup go past me up it on just plain ol Amsterdam WWII city bikes.

I´m not really big so im not punching huge holes in the air but I would of thought id get more wheel suckers riding on the flats here, when its so windy constantly any little wind breaker could be nice. I´ve never done it personally, it just feels to rude to me to just jump onto someones wheel without saying anything. I dont gripe when someone does it to me. Not really im my nature and my english when out of breathe isnt great, let alone another language that needs alot of throat and flem.

In France every cyclist that got on my wheel would be polite and would ask or make some sort of motion that "hey im here". One guy i towed for about 20km till we hit a Col´ and he was just gone. Blew past me, damn 60 kilo climbers. I should clarify he probably didnt blow past me. I was just going backwards and he kept going.