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  1. How good can a ride be when planned over brewpub fare, chased with
    thick stout brew? All parties tend to agree on a relaxed show time
    and singlespeed bikes. The rest is easy.

    The plan was to do multiple loops with a good meal break in the
    middle. Simon had brought various fare from a health food store,
    Keith grabbed some bread and roast beef and I dragged a sixer of fine
    Oregon porter out of the fridge at home. There was a nice mix of
    bikes, a rigid Edge 26er, hardtail Spot 26er, and a rigid Edge 29er.
    I think they were all around, or close to a 2:1 ratio, which made the
    course very even throughout most of the day.

    The trailhead was pretty empty for such a nice day. Shorts and short
    sleeves were the norm for locals on a day like this. Right before we
    left the parking lot, a van pulled in and out popped another
    expatriate Irish lad by the name of Richard. We waited as Richard
    hurriedly got his gear together and then spun off into the desert.

    Recent rains had made the trail hardpacked and fast in most places,
    though it was damp and a little slower in some of the low and North
    facing spots. After the first small and somewhat steep pitch up, I
    found out what kind of climbing day I was going to have. Simon and
    Keith blazed right up it and I made the mistake of looking right at
    the only loose rock on that hill and beaned it with my back tire at
    the crux point. Relegated, I pushed up the last five feet and pedaled
    over to where they were waiting and starting to sweat out the previous
    night's libations as well. Richard tooled up a few minutes later and
    cursed having a FR type bike under him at the moment.

    The rest of us took the cue from Richard and took it easy for a while.
    It was nice for me to warm up a little more slowly and dispell some
    oatmeal stout toxins of my own as well. Besides, the social
    doubletrack that connected us to the next singletrack was a good
    chance to BS a little more. I also knew the first "macho match" move
    was coming soon and I wanted to psyche myself up for it a little bit
    before hitting it.

    Up the first singletrack, I got stopped near the top and heard Simon
    and Keith running up fast behind me. I did a quick yield, confirming
    that I did need some stored energy for the next move. The undulating
    track that led to the big V move was especially fast and we arrived
    via a wheel-to-wheel romp that reminded me a lot of the old days of
    that with Chet and Jon. Keith was simply *on* cleaning it first try.
    Simon and I had to take two runs at it, though we both cleaned it on
    the second try. I was feeling a little better.

    The next climb, both of them walked slowly away from me the whole
    half-mile of it and had me gapped by 50 yards at the top. I couldn't
    be that spent from that stupid V move, could I? Nah, they were just
    being the hammerheads that they really are. Richard was provided with
    a little more time to catch his breath on this stop, which only meant
    we were going to run full speed up and down the next series of small
    climbs and descents. We did.

    The next climb that usually challenges me was cleaned easily by Keith,
    who was without a doubt, really *on* this day. My first try, I had
    accelerated too late and missed it by five feet. Simon missed his
    first try as well, but undaunted, he gave it another. He missed the
    second as well, but then realized he was doing the same thing I had
    done and cleaned it on the third. I could not leave without a second
    try, so I rolled back down and rode right back up it, using a slightly
    earlier acceleration point. Momentum is your friend.

    A few climbs and descents later, it was time for a little sustained
    downhill. It's not a particularly steep or rough downhill, but is a
    downhill nonetheless. I wanted to try a chainless, but was outvoted
    into pedaling and Simon led off like he was shot out of a cannon. I
    managed to hang on his wheel for a while, but he was accelerating out
    of the tighter turns exceptionally well and began to crawl away a bit.
    Halfway down, he had about ten yards on me, but the trail was opening
    up to my advantage. As he and I pulled into the next stopping point,
    I had managed to make it back to his wheel. It was good to get
    dropped a bit, though be Lithuanian enough to not let an Irishman get
    away with dusting me off on a trail I helped design. Keith pulled up
    a minute later, follwed by Richard in another couple of minutes.

    With a pecking order established, we all zipped down the rest of the
    descent. Simon started out less of banshee this time, though worked
    up to another furious pace within a quarter-mile. I made a small
    timing miscue on pedaling and his gap again widened, though I used a
    few tricks in turns to erase the gap much more quickly this time. I
    think he was listening a little too intently this time because in a
    sharp righthander he made an uncharacteristic miscue and almost got a
    full-on freak t-bone. Luckily I had seen it develop and was on the
    brakes in time to avoid disaster and we both spun out the last few
    hundred yards of the track in a mellow roll.

    The planned lunch break was the goods. Simon took over prep duties as
    I cracked a brew for everyone and we commneced to make sandwiches and
    chase them with a nice cool porter. The conversation jumped all over
    the place and finally ended up on the question of where we were going
    to loop for round two. I think beer makes people agreeable because it
    was almost too agreeable. We finally agreed to agree on a particular
    climb and then go from there.

    Richard decided to bail out, so then it was three. Puppy Syndrome had
    taken over a bit, making us climb a little more sluggishly at first.
    I seemed to recover a little more quickly than Keith and Simon, but
    that was to be somewhat short-lived. By the time we headed over to
    the traverse that was decided upon at the top, they were both warmed
    up quite sufficiently. Luckily, it was time to drop a bit and I
    decided to take the lead. What was happening behind me wasn't very
    clear, but I did know who was chasing me, so I was gunning it. I
    might have dropped them a little because I had to execute a somewhat
    high speed tripod in a turn to stay on the trail and wasn't
    immediately run over. They were close though because we all rolled
    rapidly down to the next low point, wheel-to-wheel.

    The next climb out was started with me in the lead, but at the first
    wide and relatively flat section of trail, I yielded to the now
    refreshed climbers. Keith was still on as Simon and I both missed
    making the next steep. Aww, who cares, we'll be descending again soon
    enough. When we got to the ridge that Keith was waiting for us, it
    was time to agree to be agreeable again.

    Ultimately, we agreed to go fast and steep. There's something so
    primal about speeding down the top of a narrow ridgetop, it ought to
    be illegal. Well, it isn't if there is a trail there and feeling the
    adrenalin flow when pushing the speed envelope, knowing that a mistake
    would be a long tumble and quite possibly painful event, is
    indescribable. Going fast with exposure, there is no substitute.

    Still leading, I slowed for the approach of a steep section, which
    changes without warning sometimes. It had been sanitized a bit more
    than my last visit and was an easy roll into a swoopy fast runout.
    The next climb challenge has a fantastic run-in and I felt confident
    enough to lead these two goats up it. The conditions near the top
    were a little more damp than the rest of the trail and I got stopped
    by semi-slick conditions. Simon mad a valiant effort, but was stopped
    as well after spinning out. Of course, Keith motored right up it. I
    was done at this point, but Simon wasn't and he went at it again,
    making it clean.

    Again, gravity assisted our flight over and off of another ridge,
    dropping us at the base of another climb. I can see where a "serious"
    mountain biker might think all of this climbing and descending might
    be tedious, but that's what makes them "serious" and the rest of us
    mountain bikers. Keith jackrabbited up and Simon and I tooled
    meticulously up the ridge slowly, though clean. Keith had run right
    off and we caught a quick glimpse of him before the next drop. The
    next drop has become so tame the last few years, it has just become
    another anonymous drop in the bucket that is this area. The climb
    after though, is still daunting to some on singlespeeds.

    I've never seen a 2:1 singlespeeder make it up this hill, damp
    conditions as it was, nor dry and hardpacked. Keith must have had
    some invisible entity pushing him up the hills. At one point it had
    seemed he had stalled, but kept his balance really well through it all
    and pedaled through it clean. His feat was a thing of singlespeeding
    beauty, of which I have not witnessed very many as fine as it. After
    watching that, Simon and I made attempts at the hill, though all for
    naught.

    Keith had completed his mission and relegated himself to the back of
    the pecking order again and Simon led us off for the finish. I had
    but one mission left between that ridge and the parking lot and that
    was airing the jump-turn with a a clean turn and a little style. I
    gave Simon a gap of about ten yards and then hit the approach at what
    I consider optimum speed for this move. He rolled over it as I
    finished pedaling and I hit it better than I have in years, clearing
    the top in a nice floaty jump turn and hit the runout downhill with a
    two point landing and a chuckle. Chet showed me that move about six
    years ago and it's still just as fun as that day.

    The parking lot was almost empty when we arrived back. A few vehicles
    had come and gone in our time there, but we had encountered very few
    on the trails. It was a wonderful day, with great friends, on the
    perfect bikes for the trails at hand. One can't ask for much more in
    life.

    http://www.spokejunkies.com/boardimages/19775-111904%20002.jpg

    JD

  2. "JD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    One can't ask for much more in life.

    Quoted message said:

    JD

    Except spending time with your kid

  3. JD said:

    How good can a ride be when planned over brewpub fare, chased with
    thick stout brew? All parties tend to agree on a relaxed show time
    and singlespeed bikes. The rest is easy.

    The plan was to do multiple loops with a good meal break in the
    middle. Simon had brought various fare from a health food store,
    Keith grabbed some bread and roast beef and I dragged a sixer of fine
    Oregon porter out of the fridge at home. There was a nice mix of
    bikes, a rigid Edge 26er, hardtail Spot 26er, and a rigid Edge 29er.
    I think they were all around, or close to a 2:1 ratio, which made the
    course very even throughout most of the day.

    The trailhead was pretty empty for such a nice day. Shorts and short
    sleeves were the norm for locals on a day like this. Right before we
    left the parking lot, a van pulled in and out popped another
    expatriate Irish lad by the name of Richard. We waited as Richard
    hurriedly got his gear together and then spun off into the desert.

    Recent rains had made the trail hardpacked and fast in most places,
    though it was damp and a little slower in some of the low and North
    facing spots. After the first small and somewhat steep pitch up, I
    found out what kind of climbing day I was going to have. Simon and
    Keith blazed right up it and I made the mistake of looking right at
    the only loose rock on that hill and beaned it with my back tire at
    the crux point. Relegated, I pushed up the last five feet and pedaled
    over to where they were waiting and starting to sweat out the previous
    night's libations as well. Richard tooled up a few minutes later and
    cursed having a FR type bike under him at the moment.

    The rest of us took the cue from Richard and took it easy for a while.
    It was nice for me to warm up a little more slowly and dispell some
    oatmeal stout toxins of my own as well. Besides, the social
    doubletrack that connected us to the next singletrack was a good
    chance to BS a little more. I also knew the first "macho match" move
    was coming soon and I wanted to psyche myself up for it a little bit
    before hitting it.

    Up the first singletrack, I got stopped near the top and heard Simon
    and Keith running up fast behind me. I did a quick yield, confirming
    that I did need some stored energy for the next move. The undulating
    track that led to the big V move was especially fast and we arrived
    via a wheel-to-wheel romp that reminded me a lot of the old days of
    that with Chet and Jon. Keith was simply *on* cleaning it first try.
    Simon and I had to take two runs at it, though we both cleaned it on
    the second try. I was feeling a little better.

    The next climb, both of them walked slowly away from me the whole
    half-mile of it and had me gapped by 50 yards at the top. I couldn't
    be that spent from that stupid V move, could I? Nah, they were just
    being the hammerheads that they really are. Richard was provided with
    a little more time to catch his breath on this stop, which only meant
    we were going to run full speed up and down the next series of small
    climbs and descents. We did.

    The next climb that usually challenges me was cleaned easily by Keith,
    who was without a doubt, really *on* this day. My first try, I had
    accelerated too late and missed it by five feet. Simon missed his
    first try as well, but undaunted, he gave it another. He missed the
    second as well, but then realized he was doing the same thing I had
    done and cleaned it on the third. I could not leave without a second
    try, so I rolled back down and rode right back up it, using a slightly
    earlier acceleration point. Momentum is your friend.

    A few climbs and descents later, it was time for a little sustained
    downhill. It's not a particularly steep or rough downhill, but is a
    downhill nonetheless. I wanted to try a chainless, but was outvoted
    into pedaling and Simon led off like he was shot out of a cannon. I
    managed to hang on his wheel for a while, but he was accelerating out
    of the tighter turns exceptionally well and began to crawl away a bit.
    Halfway down, he had about ten yards on me, but the trail was opening
    up to my advantage. As he and I pulled into the next stopping point,
    I had managed to make it back to his wheel. It was good to get
    dropped a bit, though be Lithuanian enough to not let an Irishman get
    away with dusting me off on a trail I helped design. Keith pulled up
    a minute later, follwed by Richard in another couple of minutes.

    With a pecking order established, we all zipped down the rest of the
    descent. Simon started out less of banshee this time, though worked
    up to another furious pace within a quarter-mile. I made a small
    timing miscue on pedaling and his gap again widened, though I used a
    few tricks in turns to erase the gap much more quickly this time. I
    think he was listening a little too intently this time because in a
    sharp righthander he made an uncharacteristic miscue and almost got a
    full-on freak t-bone. Luckily I had seen it develop and was on the
    brakes in time to avoid disaster and we both spun out the last few
    hundred yards of the track in a mellow roll.

    The planned lunch break was the goods. Simon took over prep duties as
    I cracked a brew for everyone and we commneced to make sandwiches and
    chase them with a nice cool porter. The conversation jumped all over
    the place and finally ended up on the question of where we were going
    to loop for round two. I think beer makes people agreeable because it
    was almost too agreeable. We finally agreed to agree on a particular
    climb and then go from there.

    Richard decided to bail out, so then it was three. Puppy Syndrome had
    taken over a bit, making us climb a little more sluggishly at first.
    I seemed to recover a little more quickly than Keith and Simon, but
    that was to be somewhat short-lived. By the time we headed over to
    the traverse that was decided upon at the top, they were both warmed
    up quite sufficiently. Luckily, it was time to drop a bit and I
    decided to take the lead. What was happening behind me wasn't very
    clear, but I did know who was chasing me, so I was gunning it. I
    might have dropped them a little because I had to execute a somewhat
    high speed tripod in a turn to stay on the trail and wasn't
    immediately run over. They were close though because we all rolled
    rapidly down to the next low point, wheel-to-wheel.

    The next climb out was started with me in the lead, but at the first
    wide and relatively flat section of trail, I yielded to the now
    refreshed climbers. Keith was still on as Simon and I both missed
    making the next steep. Aww, who cares, we'll be descending again soon
    enough. When we got to the ridge that Keith was waiting for us, it
    was time to agree to be agreeable again.

    Ultimately, we agreed to go fast and steep. There's something so
    primal about speeding down the top of a narrow ridgetop, it ought to
    be illegal. Well, it isn't if there is a trail there and feeling the
    adrenalin flow when pushing the speed envelope, knowing that a mistake
    would be a long tumble and quite possibly painful event, is
    indescribable. Going fast with exposure, there is no substitute.

    Still leading, I slowed for the approach of a steep section, which
    changes without warning sometimes. It had been sanitized a bit more
    than my last visit and was an easy roll into a swoopy fast runout.
    The next climb challenge has a fantastic run-in and I felt confident
    enough to lead these two goats up it. The conditions near the top
    were a little more damp than the rest of the trail and I got stopped
    by semi-slick conditions. Simon mad a valiant effort, but was stopped
    as well after spinning out. Of course, Keith motored right up it. I
    was done at this point, but Simon wasn't and he went at it again,
    making it clean.

    Again, gravity assisted our flight over and off of another ridge,
    dropping us at the base of another climb. I can see where a "serious"
    mountain biker might think all of this climbing and descending might
    be tedious, but that's what makes them "serious" and the rest of us
    mountain bikers. Keith jackrabbited up and Simon and I tooled
    meticulously up the ridge slowly, though clean. Keith had run right
    off and we caught a quick glimpse of him before the next drop. The
    next drop has become so tame the last few years, it has just become
    another anonymous drop in the bucket that is this area. The climb
    after though, is still daunting to some on singlespeeds.

    I've never seen a 2:1 singlespeeder make it up this hill, damp
    conditions as it was, nor dry and hardpacked. Keith must have had
    some invisible entity pushing him up the hills. At one point it had
    seemed he had stalled, but kept his balance really well through it all
    and pedaled through it clean. His feat was a thing of singlespeeding
    beauty, of which I have not witnessed very many as fine as it. After
    watching that, Simon and I made attempts at the hill, though all for
    naught.

    Keith had completed his mission and relegated himself to the back of
    the pecking order again and Simon led us off for the finish. I had
    but one mission left between that ridge and the parking lot and that
    was airing the jump-turn with a a clean turn and a little style. I
    gave Simon a gap of about ten yards and then hit the approach at what
    I consider optimum speed for this move. He rolled over it as I
    finished pedaling and I hit it better than I have in years, clearing
    the top in a nice floaty jump turn and hit the runout downhill with a
    two point landing and a chuckle. Chet showed me that move about six
    years ago and it's still just as fun as that day.

    The parking lot was almost empty when we arrived back. A few vehicles
    had come and gone in our time there, but we had encountered very few
    on the trails. It was a wonderful day, with great friends, on the
    perfect bikes for the trails at hand. One can't ask for much more in
    life.

    http://www.spokejunkies.com/boardimages/19775-111904%20002.jpg

    JD


    <Too good to snip>

    Excellent RR. Hamerheads on SS's scare the [censored] out of me. Who was the
    guy with the 29er, Keith? Doesn't that give him a bit of advantage even
    with everyone at 2:1? Can you explain what a V move is?

    --
    o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
    www.schnauzers.ws

  4. "JD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    How good can a ride be when planned over brewpub fare, chased with
    thick stout brew? All parties tend to agree on a relaxed show time
    and singlespeed bikes. The rest is easy.


    <snip most excellent RR>

    One can't ask for much more in

    Quoted message said:

    life.

    http://www.spokejunkies.com/boardimages/19775-111904%20002.jpg

    JD

    I AGREE.

    paladin
    and nicely done.

  5. "B. Rogers" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "JD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    One can't ask for much more in life.

    Quoted message said:

    JD

    Except spending time with your kid


    sad. you hate yourself. does your family hate you too?

  6. "mark" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "[censored] Rogers" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "JD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    One can't ask for much more in life.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    JD

    Except spending time with your kid


    sad. you hate yourself. does your family hate you too?

    Unhealthy obsessions do that to people, even anonymous interet
    entities who revel in the fact that the object of their fixation is
    "paying attention" to them.

    JD

  7. "mark" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "B. Rogers" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "JD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    One can't ask for much more in life.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    JD

    Except spending time with your kid


    sad. you hate yourself. does your family hate you too?

    His son does.

  8. JD said:

    How good can a ride be when planned over brewpub fare, chased with
    thick stout brew? All parties tend to agree on a relaxed show time
    and singlespeed bikes. The rest is easy.

    snip outstanding rr

    Quoted message said:


    http://www.spokejunkies.com/boardimages/19775-111904%20002.jpg

    JD

    And I sit here with a cold, a lower back that won't let me pedal after
    Thursday's ride and a kink in my neck from sleeping in the wrong position
    due to my sore lower back. I guess I can still do the beer part of the
    rides......

    I just can't imagine what it's going to be like when I get old.......

    Great RR. Written well enough to allow me to close my eyes and play caboose
    on the ride...but on a geared fs.....<(:-}

    Gary

  9. GeeDubb said:
    JD said:

    How good can a ride be when planned over brewpub fare, chased with
    thick stout brew? All parties tend to agree on a relaxed show time
    and singlespeed bikes. The rest is easy.

    snip outstanding rr

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.spokejunkies.com/boardimages/19775-111904%20002.jpg

    JD

    And I sit here with a cold, a lower back that won't let me pedal after
    Thursday's ride and a kink in my neck from sleeping in the wrong position
    due to my sore lower back. I guess I can still do the beer part of the
    rides......

    I just can't imagine what it's going to be like when I get old.......

    Great RR. Written well enough to allow me to close my eyes and play caboose
    on the ride...but on a geared fs.....<(:-}

    Gary

    Get the Biofreeze!

    --
    o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
    www.schnauzers.ws

  10. Ride-A-Lot said:

    Get the Biofreeze!

    BF isn't available on-line so I have to find a source locally. At the
    moment I'm using Tiger Balm but it doesn't do much for an inflamed disc (MRI
    a few years back revealed what I already knew due to family history).
    Genetics suck!

    The pain has been getting worse so I guess I'm going to have to break down
    and see a Dr. They'll prescribe drugs (which don't work as I've tried
    muscle relaxants, anti-inflammatory stuff and paint meds all w/o any affect)
    which I have to argue with them about. Chiropractic just makes it worse.
    Haven't tried accupuncture but that will only mask the pain. I've had
    several Dr's. tell me to give up biking....NEVER!

    So with all that being said.....I'm riding this afternoon come hell or high
    water.....

    Gary (they can pry my cold, dead fingers from my handle bar.......)

  11. GeeDubb said:
    Ride-A-Lot said:

    Get the Biofreeze!

    BF isn't available on-line so I have to find a source locally. At the
    moment I'm using Tiger Balm but it doesn't do much for an inflamed
    disc (MRI a few years back revealed what I already knew due to family
    history). Genetics suck!

    The pain has been getting worse so I guess I'm going to have to break
    down and see a Dr. They'll prescribe drugs (which don't work as I've
    tried muscle relaxants, anti-inflammatory stuff and paint meds all
    w/o any affect) which I have to argue with them about. Chiropractic
    just makes it worse. Haven't tried accupuncture but that will only
    mask the pain. I've had several Dr's. tell me to give up
    biking....NEVER!

    So with all that being said.....I'm riding this afternoon come hell
    or high water.....

    Gary (they can pry my cold, dead fingers from my handle bar.......)

    "Treat your own Back" by Robin Mackenzie.

  12. small change said:

    "Treat your own Back" by Robin Mackenzie.

    I'll give it a shot. Thanks.

    Gary

  13. GeeDubb said:
    small change said:

    "Treat your own Back" by Robin Mackenzie.

    I'll give it a shot. Thanks.

    Gary

    Here's where I bought mine.

    http://www.kasenterprises.com/order.html#biofreeze

    --
    o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
    www.schnauzers.ws

  14. Ride-A-Lot said:
    GeeDubb said:
    small change said:

    "Treat your own Back" by Robin Mackenzie.

    I'll give it a shot. Thanks.

    Gary

    Here's where I bought mine.

    http://www.kasenterprises.com/order.html#biofreeze

    Thanks Mitch. Just ordered the 32 oz pump.

    Gary

  15. GeeDubb said:

    Ride-A-Lot wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Here's where I bought mine.

    http://www.kasenterprises.com/order.html#biofreeze

    Thanks Mitch. Just ordered the 32 oz pump.

    I just ordered the little 10-pack of samples -- this stuff really works?
    Did a ride today wearing a Therma-Care thing; heat feels nice but no real
    pain relief. (I woke up 6 months ago with a tweaked lower back and it
    hasn't gone away.)

    I did find one yoga position/exercise that releases it pretty
    well...SOMETIMES. Other times, stiff city.

    Screw this getting old [censored],
    --
    BS (no, really)

  16. B i l l S o r n s o n said:
    GeeDubb said:

    Ride-A-Lot wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Here's where I bought mine.

    http://www.kasenterprises.com/order.html#biofreeze

    Thanks Mitch. Just ordered the 32 oz pump.

    I just ordered the little 10-pack of samples -- this stuff really
    works? Did a ride today wearing a Therma-Care thing; heat feels nice
    but no real pain relief. (I woke up 6 months ago with a tweaked
    lower back and it hasn't gone away.)

    I did find one yoga position/exercise that releases it pretty
    well...SOMETIMES. Other times, stiff city.

    Screw this getting old [censored],

    I liked the BF better than the Tiger Balm as it washes off and doesn't stain
    clothing. Nothing worse than rubbing in the TB and then not being able to
    fully wash off,...then scratching one's crotch.......

    I think you'll like this stuff. It lasts quite a while, too (meaning the
    heating effect compared to similar products).

    Yoga.........that could really cause some pain in my stiff body!

    Gary

  17. B i l l S o r n s o n said:
    GeeDubb said:

    Ride-A-Lot wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Here's where I bought mine.

    http://www.kasenterprises.com/order.html#biofreeze

    Thanks Mitch. Just ordered the 32 oz pump.

    I just ordered the little 10-pack of samples -- this stuff really works?
    Did a ride today wearing a Therma-Care thing; heat feels nice but no real
    pain relief. (I woke up 6 months ago with a tweaked lower back and it
    hasn't gone away.)

    I did find one yoga position/exercise that releases it pretty
    well...SOMETIMES. Other times, stiff city.

    Screw this getting old [censored],

    I've been using it for two years now. One of my co-workers is a
    personal trainer on the side. One day she came back from a lunch time
    work out and her hamstring (I think) was petruding from her leg. She
    was limping and in bad pain. She rubs the stuff on and within two hours
    you didn't even know she pulled something.

    I tend to get neck aches after a long ride (too much time spent looking
    down and not up 🙂). Biofreeze cures it everytime.

    I got hooked by buying the samples first, too.

    --
    o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
    www.schnauzers.ws

  18. RE/

    Quoted message said:

    I did find one yoga position/exercise that releases it pretty
    well...SOMETIMES. Other times, stiff city.

    Screw this getting old [censored],

    My dad always used to say "When you get old, you get stiff everywhere but...".
    --
    PeteCresswell

  19. (Pete Cresswell) said:

    RE/

    Quoted message said:

    I did find one yoga position/exercise that releases it pretty
    well...SOMETIMES. Other times, stiff city.

    Screw this getting old [censored],

    My dad always used to say "When you get old, you get stiff everywhere
    but...".

    which asana (yoga position) is it? You can describe if you dont' know the
    name. I normally have very little low back trouble and did a major tweak
    about 10 days ago. A lot of what was recommended to me is both "cobra" like
    push ups to restore/maintain the lower lumbar curve, and other stretches
    that I can only describe as lay on your bac, rotate the pelvis and leg so
    that for example your left leg crosses over to the right, you can put a
    stretchy band on your ankle to assist.

    penny

  20. GeeDubb said:
    B i l l S o r n s o n said:
    GeeDubb said:

    Ride-A-Lot wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    > Here's where I bought mine.
    >
    > http://www.kasenterprises.com/order.html#biofreeze

    Thanks Mitch. Just ordered the 32 oz pump.

    I just ordered the little 10-pack of samples -- this stuff really
    works? Did a ride today wearing a Therma-Care thing; heat feels nice
    but no real pain relief. (I woke up 6 months ago with a tweaked
    lower back and it hasn't gone away.)

    I did find one yoga position/exercise that releases it pretty
    well...SOMETIMES. Other times, stiff city.

    Screw this getting old [censored],

    I liked the BF better than the Tiger Balm as it washes off and
    doesn't stain clothing. Nothing worse than rubbing in the TB and
    then not being able to fully wash off,...then scratching one's
    crotch.......

    I liked Tiger Balm (smells very nice), but even at Costco the container (tin
    thing) is pretty puny. I usually buy Ben Gay or Icy Hot, but nothing really
    WORKS for me -- at least in terms of real healing.

    Quoted message said:

    I think you'll like this stuff. It lasts quite a while, too (meaning
    the heating effect compared to similar products).

    Looking forward to trying it. (By the way, that Thera-Care thing I opened
    at 6:30 this morning is STILL pretty hot almost 12 hours later! Have you
    tried those yet?)

    Quoted message said:

    Yoga.........that could really cause some pain in my stiff body!

    You might be surprised. Have to be /very/ careful in certain positions, of
    course, but it's great for overall flexibility (stretch AND strength). Key
    is knowing one's limits...just like cycling!

    Still worked from this morning's hard ride,
    --
    BS (no, really)

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