Silly question

Nick Burns said:

It is just the culture that evolved. No single person is responsible for it, but there are a few
individuals that have a strong influence in that area.

What I really don't understand is why there is no other racing NG. I know many many people that
lurked here and then moved on. I am fairly certain that an alternative NG would do well if it
could just get started and gather enough inertia.

I don't see a reason. I just think the selective indignation is a little strange. After all,
this is an unmoderated newsgroup. Someone could start a commercial bulletin board, but why
be exclusive? From what I've seen, the best racers are respectful of fans and history. It is
nice to be able to see their names here, and cool that kids can come on and communicate with
people who know their stuff.

Steve

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Why is it that in this ng, questions and comments, pertinent or not, rude or not regarding
drugs, fat masters, nationalities, attitudes, jersies, diet, training seem to be
well-tolerated, but questions about equipment seem to bring out the internet police? I know
there is a rec.bicycles.marketplace, but I get the distinct impression that the advice to go
there is not friendly advice--it's an admonishment. I am active in a bunch of usenet groups,
all unmoderated. There's plenty of nonsense on all of them. I'm not suggesting that referring
to rec.bicycles marketplace isn't appropriate. It's the tone that I don't understand. Why is
even a bit of spam more upsetting than, say, chauvinististic goading?

Steve

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Aren't off-topic matters about off-topics supposed to be referred to rec.bicycles.gripes?

P.S., Bedroom set for sale, cheap

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Why is it that in this ng, questions and comments, pertinent or not, rude or not regarding
drugs, fat masters, nationalities, attitudes, jersies, diet, training seem to be
well-tolerated, but questions about equipment seem to bring out the internet police?

Read the faq. It explains how the different rec.bicycle. newsgroups should be used.

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I know there is a rec.bicycles.marketplace, but I get the distinct impression that the advice
to go there is not friendly advice--it's an admonishment.

Kinda. This newsgroup is not the place for FS or WTB ads.

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I am active in a bunch of usenet groups, all unmoderated. There's plenty of nonsense on all
of them. I'm not suggesting that referring to rec.bicycles marketplace isn't appropriate.
It's the tone that I don't understand. Why is even a bit of spam more upsetting than, say,
chauvinististic goading?

Read the faq.
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It's ths sort of attitude that chased Frankie Andreu out of the newsgroup a few years back, when he
posted about how much he loved his Gore-tex wind/rain jacket.

It's all fine and good to sit on our collective fat master's ass and [censored] and whine and moan about
the lack of content in this newsgroup, but God forbid that a pro post anything of substance, or
that someone looking to buy an item useful to racers (such as a tool to duplicate position on a
number of different bicycles) ask in the newsgroup that the target audience for the request is most
likely to be.

Thankfully, I had several offers (off-group, as requested) in my quest to acquire a Fit-Stik; and am
now awaiting arrival of same to close another successful online transaction.

bandwidth discussing my "off-topic" request than my original post could ever utilize.

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dot veloworks dot com [four word] slash

Alex Rodriguez said:

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Why is it that in this ng, questions and comments, pertinent or not, rude or not regarding
drugs, fat masters, nationalities, attitudes, jersies, diet, training seem to be
well-tolerated, but questions about equipment seem to bring out the internet police?

Read the faq. It explains how the different rec.bicycle. newsgroups should be used.

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I know there is a rec.bicycles.marketplace, but I get the distinct impression that the advice
to go there is not friendly advice--it's an admonishment.

Kinda. This newsgroup is not the place for FS or WTB ads.

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I am active in a bunch of usenet groups, all unmoderated. There's plenty of nonsense on all of
them. I'm not suggesting that referring to rec.bicycles marketplace isn't appropriate. It's
the tone that I don't understand. Why is even a bit of spam more upsetting than, say,
chauvinististic goading?

Read the faq.
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Alex __O _-\<,_ (_)/ (_)

Benjamin Weiner said:

The attitude may be rude, but if it wasn't firm, people wouldn't respect the boundaries.

Ah ... So taunting fat masters, conservatives, liberals, gays, Jews, blacks, whites, Italians, and
the French is all on-topic ... But looking for an item to help me replicate my position on one
racing bike to another racing back is completely verboten ...

Uh huh ... Makes sense to me.

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pax est libertas servitus est ignoratio vis est ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea aye tee why you ti
ay aitch aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you double-yew double-ewe
dot veloworks dot com [four word] slash

Maybe you could get Palachek and Albright to go there.

"Nick Burns" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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It is just the culture that evolved. No single person is responsible

for it,

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but there are a few individuals that have a strong influence in that

area.

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What I really don't understand is why there is no other racing NG. I

know

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many many people that lurked here and then moved on. I am fairly

certain

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that an alternative NG would do well if it could just get started

and gather

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enough inertia.

"Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS" <[email hidden]> wrote in

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Why is it that in this ng, questions and comments, pertinent

or not,

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rude or not regarding drugs, fat masters, nationalities,

attitudes,

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jersies, diet, training seem to be well-tolerated, but questions

about

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equipment seem to bring out the internet police? I know there is a rec.bicycles.marketplace, but
I get the

distinct

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impression that the advice to go there is not friendly

advice--it's an

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admonishment. I am active in a bunch of usenet groups, all unmoderated.

There's

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plenty of nonsense on all of them. I'm not suggesting that

referring to

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rec.bicycles marketplace isn't appropriate. It's the tone that I

don't

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understand. Why is even a bit of spam more upsetting than, say, chauvinististic goading?

Steve

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"Nick Burns" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I think the point is that off topic posts are generally welcomed if

it has

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NOTHING to do with cycling and yet articles that are just outside of

the

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charter (bikes for sale, triathlon questions etc.) will inspire very

harsh

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flames about how this NG is for RACING ONLY, READ THE FAQ DAMN IT!

Well, sale items I can see flaming. But most of the time if you just ignore it, it will go away.

You'll note that a large proportion of the .marketplace group is now on-line sales people. If I see
more than two entries with the same name on them I won't open a one of them. If you allow these guys
to start on this group there will be nothing but 100 postings a day of yesterday's sale items.

But arguing about the size of j-lo's breasts and if they're implants or the real thing is what you'd
do out on a ride anyhow so why not?

I respect Henry too but I don't want him to know.

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Tom Kunich said:

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Kurgan Gringioni wrote:

>Most of us come here to not be bored. Goading is fun. Reading a

thread on

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>the "best seatpost" for the 100th time is not.

I'll try to remember that.

The first thing to remember is that Henry Chang is full of [censored]

and

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does most of the goading under his various pseudonyms such as

Kurgan

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Gringioni. I hear that in person he is a real person, but on the internet it is sometimes hard
to tell.

I didn't know that. I respect what I've read of your posts--you can disagree on an issue (eg.
helmets) and remain civil and reasonable.

Best, Steve

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"Steven L. Sheffield" <[email hidden]> wrote in :"]news:[email hidden]:

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It's ths sort of attitude that chased Frankie Andreu out of the newsgroup a few years back, when
he posted about how much he loved his Gore-tex wind/rain jacket.

It's all fine and good to sit on our collective fat master's ass and [censored] and whine and moan
about the lack of content in this newsgroup, but God forbid that a pro post anything of substance,
or that someone looking to buy an item useful to racers (such as a tool to duplicate position on a
number of different bicycles) ask in the newsgroup that the target audience for the request is
most likely to be.

Thankfully, I had several offers (off-group, as requested) in my quest to acquire a Fit-Stik; and
am now awaiting arrival of same to close another successful online transaction.

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bandwidth discussing my "off-topic" request than my original post could ever utilize.

Steven, I find it hard to believe that you would have more success asking this group about the tool
you mentioned than you would on rec.bicycles.tech.

- Boyd S.

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Benjamin Weiner said:

The attitude may be rude, but if it wasn't firm, people wouldn't respect the boundaries.

Ah ... So taunting fat masters, conservatives, liberals, gays, Jews,

blacks,

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whites, Italians, and the French is all on-topic ... But looking for an

item

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to help me replicate my position on one racing bike to another racing back is completely
verboten ...

It seems like it's more of a tech question and should be posted to rec.bicycles.tech.

Those people in that group *like* that sort of question.

This is just my opinion, but this group seems like it trends more towards racing tactics and the
racing sub-culture. If there is one thing that a bike racer with a lot of years under his belt tends
to get tired of, it's equipment chattering. My first five years racing, I was into every new doodad
that came along. The last five years racing was spent ignoring that stuff, paying attention to
training and the mind/body.

Steven L. Sheffield said:

On 6/24/03 4:40 PM, in article [email hidden], "Benjamin Weiner"
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The attitude may be rude, but if it wasn't firm, people wouldn't respect the boundaries.

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Ah ... So taunting fat masters,

That's on topic. It may be in the charter.

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conservatives, liberals, gays, Jews, blacks, whites, Italians, and the French is all on-topic ...

That's all off topic, but as you know, trying to interrupt a Chang-Kunich-Pomeranian kissy-fest is
futile. Taunting the French is on-topic when it comes to TdF team selection and OT if it involves US
foreign policy (Please no one try to argue that they are related).

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But looking for an item to help me replicate my position on one racing bike to another racing back
is completely verboten ...

Well, you are a veteran and know the rules, which may mean you get cut less slack, not more. You
could have tried posting first in marketplace and tech, if you got no responses, posting here. That
would have cut the flames down, I bet (though I didn't post an original flame, so who knows).

Okay, enough of this OT stuff. Glad to hear you did find a source, in the end.

Ben I'm not fat, I think, but my power-to-weight ratio sucks anyway

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Steven L. Sheffield said:

On 6/24/03 4:40 PM, in article [email hidden], "Benjamin Weiner"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

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The attitude may be rude, but if it wasn't firm, people wouldn't respect the boundaries.

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Ah ... So taunting fat masters,

That's on topic. It may be in the charter.

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conservatives, liberals, gays, Jews, blacks, whites, Italians, and the French is all
on-topic ...

That's all off topic, but as you know, trying to interrupt a Chang-Kunich-Pomeranian kissy-fest is
futile. Taunting the French is on-topic when it comes to TdF team selection and OT if it involves
US foreign policy (Please no one try to argue that they are related).

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But looking for an item to help me replicate my position on one racing bike to another racing
back is completely verboten ...

Well, you are a veteran and know the rules, which may mean you get cut less slack, not more. You
could have tried posting first in marketplace and tech, if you got no responses, posting here.
That would have cut the flames down, I bet (though I didn't post an original flame, so who knows).

Okay, enough of this OT stuff. Glad to hear you did find a source, in the end.

Ben I'm not fat, I think, but my power-to-weight ratio sucks anyway

Me too (ergometer certified!)

Steve

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Tom Kunich said:

I respect Henry too but I don't want him to know.

I don't respect Henry too but I want him to know.

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I don't respect Henry too but I want him to know.

I agree, that dude is a tool.

He's a Fattie. All talk and no action.

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I don't respect Henry too but I want him to know.

I agree, that dude is a tool.

He's a Fattie. All talk and no action.

Maybe you could loosen him up with liquor.

According to Peppy and company, it would be just as off-topic there.

However, I cross-posted to .tech and .marketplace as well ... Most USENET newsreaders are now savvy
enough to mark the message as being read in ALL newsgroups when cross-posting ...

So what I did was expand the audience size for my question with a minimal amount of extra
bandwidth ...

Boyd Speerschneider said:

"Steven L. Sheffield" <[email hidden]> wrote in :"]news:[email hidden]:

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It's ths sort of attitude that chased Frankie Andreu out of the newsgroup a few years back, when
he posted about how much he loved his Gore-tex wind/rain jacket.

It's all fine and good to sit on our collective fat master's ass and [censored] and whine and moan
about the lack of content in this newsgroup, but God forbid that a pro post anything of
substance, or that someone looking to buy an item useful to racers (such as a tool to duplicate
position on a number of different bicycles) ask in the newsgroup that the target audience for the
request is most likely to be.

Thankfully, I had several offers (off-group, as requested) in my quest to acquire a Fit-Stik; and
am now awaiting arrival of same to close another successful online transaction.

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bandwidth discussing my "off-topic" request than my original post could ever utilize.

Steven, I find it hard to believe that you would have more success asking this group about the
tool you mentioned than you would on rec.bicycles.tech.

- Boyd S.