silicone adhesive as electrical insulation?



On 10 Oct 2006 10:33:21 -0700, [email protected] wrote:

>Leads from the cateye enduro's cyclocomputer body snapped off during
>an accident.
>
>I tried soldering the new length of magnet pickup wires following the
>epoxy? block covering the pickup's connection pins molded into the
>computer's bar mount AND then Gooping the wire's solder connections
>to the bar mount at the epoxy block


My old Mity at one point had too short wires, so I lengthened them simply
by soldering onto the terminals of the bar mount, and then I stuck
silicone sealant in there. Worked perfectly for a long time. The silicone
eventually started to come loose from the bar mount as a little block,
though, rather than staying put.

Jasper
 
[email protected] wrote:
> sci.electronics.repair, rec.bicycles.tech
>
> Leads from the cateye enduro's cyclocomputer body snapped off during
> an accident.
>
> I tried soldering the new length of magnet pickup wires following the
> epoxy? block covering the pickup's connection pins molded into the
> computer's bar mount AND then Gooping the wire's solder connections
> to the bar mount at the epoxy block
>
> Goop is silicone adhesive -
>
> Question is does the goop silicone provide electrical insulation at
> this low voltage flow?


Is it the same stuff they use to pot flyback secondaries? That's
12,000
to 40,000 volts hf.
 
Father Haskell wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
>>sci.electronics.repair, rec.bicycles.tech
>>
>>Leads from the cateye enduro's cyclocomputer body snapped off during
>>an accident.
>>
>>I tried soldering the new length of magnet pickup wires following the
>>epoxy? block covering the pickup's connection pins molded into the
>>computer's bar mount AND then Gooping the wire's solder connections
>>to the bar mount at the epoxy block
>>
>>Goop is silicone adhesive -
>>
>>Question is does the goop silicone provide electrical insulation at
>>this low voltage flow?

>
>
> Is it the same stuff they use to pot flyback secondaries? That's
> 12,000
> to 40,000 volts hf.
>



Flybacks are potted in epoxy resin.
 
"GregS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (GregS) wrote:
>>In article <[email protected]>,
>>"Paul"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>[email protected] wrote:
>>>> sci.electronics.repair, rec.bicycles.tech
>>>>
>>>> Leads from the cateye enduro's cyclocomputer body snapped off
>>>> during
>>>> an accident.
>>>>
>>>> I tried soldering the new length of magnet pickup wires following
>>>> the
>>>> epoxy? block covering the pickup's connection pins molded into
>>>> the
>>>> computer's bar mount AND then Gooping the wire's solder
>>>> connections
>>>> to the bar mount at the epoxy block
>>>>
>>>> Goop is silicone adhesive -
>>>>
>>>> Question is does the goop silicone provide electrical insulation
>>>> at
>>>> this low voltage flow?
>>>>
>>>> The computer stopped recording data after 3-4 miles.
>>>>
>>>> If the Goop is a no go what adhesive is durable and adequate
>>>> insulation? What are cateye bodies made of and what adhesive
>>>> works best
>>>> there?
>>>
>>>Any silicone (RTV) that I've worked with is a good insulator when
>>>fully
>>>cured.
>>>I wouldn't be surprised if it is somewhat conductive before it is
>>>cured, but I never checked.
>>>I never apply voltage until it is fully cured.

>
>
> By the way, I have applied HV before curing. it does well, but its
> probably better when fully curred.Thats the Type I silicone.
>
> greg
>
>>Rtv need not be capitalized. Goop is not silicone to me. Its more
>>like a
>> plastic.
>>I use the different Goops, including Shoe Goo, and I am not going to
>>claim it
>>has no reaction to conections, but I don't think I have seen
>>problems. If Goop
>> is used in the sun,
>>it should contain UV inhibitors like Marine Goop has. Goop is one of
>>the
>> strongest
>>glues, but retains some flex. It takes several days for full cure.
>>Silicone
>> shuld have
>>no conductivity, allthough it is not a vapor block, where Goop may
>>have a good
>>vapor lock. Electrical connections should be painted with enamel
>>before
>>applying silicone.
>>
>>greg



Speaking of HV, I can't imagine the voltages in the Cateye causing any
significant electrical stress, and hence any voltage induced failures
even without Goop or some sealant, as long as everything started clean
and stayed clean. I could imagine an additional mechanical problem
having lead to another open circuit due to the three miles of road
vibration. In some such repairs I've tried, I've not been able to
re-solder broken leads/pins with low enough energy to prevent
additional damage. Two reasons for this: too cheap to buy the proper
very-low power soldering system, and not proper skills for such
delicate work. And this after having been certified to solder
according to NASA standards! But nothing in spacecraft back in those
days was as tiny as modern commercial electronics.

Datakoll, I think something else in your Cateye has broken, and it
might or might not be associated with your repair, based on what
you've told us.

Ken
 
"Leo Lichtman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> <[email protected]> wrote: If we're talking about the stuff
> inside that keeps the body of a cateye nice and round, it's known as
> the vitreous humor: (clip)
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Dear Carl,
> Your remark is vitreous humor humor.
> Jokes about glazed ceramics would be vitreous humor.
> Jokes about my first comment would be vitreous humor humor humor.
>


This sounds like a joke from Rowan and Martin's Laugh-in.
 
On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 21:01:15 -0400, "Road Man"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Leo Lichtman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> <[email protected]> wrote: If we're talking about the stuff
>> inside that keeps the body of a cateye nice and round, it's known as
>> the vitreous humor: (clip)
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> Dear Carl,
>> Your remark is vitreous humor humor.
>> Jokes about glazed ceramics would be vitreous humor.
>> Jokes about my first comment would be vitreous humor humor humor.
>>

>
>This sounds like a joke from Rowan and Martin's Laugh-in.


Dear Ken,

By one of those odd coincidences, Dan Rowan was probably the most
famous kid to come out of the McClelland orphanage down the street
from where I live.

Rowan was the one with the moustache and a fistful of medals as a
fighter pilot.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel
 
Werehatrack wrote:

> And as has long been the case, the true gentleman will search long and
> hard to locate a computer whose figures are presented in the more
> seemly furlongs, a far more appropriate distance to use in judjing
> progress aboard something that is ridden astride a saddle, would you
> not agree? (Sadly, such devices seem in short supply, so a conversion
> table is often needed in order to make sense of the mundane
> indications available.)


My Cateye reads in furlongs if I set it to a calibration number of
1069.

Alas, it still reads in decimals, not eights. More work is required.
 
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:47:36 -0700, David Nebenzahl
<[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] spake thus:
>
>> stupid question # 428
>>
>> if silicones insulate electrical wires then what are silicone spark
>> plugs leads (wires)?

>
>The silicone is the insulator in them; the conductor is, usually,
>carbon-impregnated fiber of some kind (basically a big long resistor).


Why don't spark plug leads get made out of metal, copper or whatever?

Jasper
 
In article <[email protected]>, Jasper Janssen <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:47:36 -0700, David Nebenzahl
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>[email protected] spake thus:
>>
>>> stupid question # 428
>>>
>>> if silicones insulate electrical wires then what are silicone spark
>>> plugs leads (wires)?

>>
>>The silicone is the insulator in them; the conductor is, usually,
>>carbon-impregnated fiber of some kind (basically a big long resistor).

>
>Why don't spark plug leads get made out of metal, copper or whatever?


They used to be. Might even be able to get racing wires. They generate a
lot of RF interference. Using resistor plugs helped a bit in this case.

greg

greg
 
On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 19:16:57 +0000, Jasper Janssen Has Frothed:

> On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:47:36 -0700, David Nebenzahl
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>[email protected] spake thus:
>>
>>> stupid question # 428
>>>
>>> if silicones insulate electrical wires then what are silicone spark
>>> plugs leads (wires)?

>>
>>The silicone is the insulator in them; the conductor is, usually,
>>carbon-impregnated fiber of some kind (basically a big long resistor).

>
> Why don't spark plug leads get made out of metal, copper or whatever?
>
> Jasper


They make lots of RFI.


--
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COOSN-266-06-25794
 
On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 16:26:04 -0500, Meat Plow <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 19:16:57 +0000, Jasper Janssen Has Frothed:
>> On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:47:36 -0700, David Nebenzahl
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>[email protected] spake thus:
>>>
>>>> stupid question # 428
>>>>
>>>> if silicones insulate electrical wires then what are silicone spark
>>>> plugs leads (wires)?
>>>
>>>The silicone is the insulator in them; the conductor is, usually,
>>>carbon-impregnated fiber of some kind (basically a big long resistor).

>>
>> Why don't spark plug leads get made out of metal, copper or whatever?


>They make lots of RFI.


And they don't when they're made out of resistor wire? Huh. Weird.

Jasper
 
Jasper Janssen wrote:

> On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 16:26:04 -0500, Meat Plow <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>>On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 19:16:57 +0000, Jasper Janssen Has Frothed:
>>> On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:47:36 -0700, David Nebenzahl
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>[email protected] spake thus:
>>>>
>>>>> stupid question # 428
>>>>>
>>>>> if silicones insulate electrical wires then what are silicone
>>>>> spark plugs leads (wires)?
>>>>
>>>>The silicone is the insulator in them; the conductor is, usually,
>>>>carbon-impregnated fiber of some kind (basically a big long
>>>>resistor).
>>>
>>> Why don't spark plug leads get made out of metal, copper or
>>> whatever?

>
>>They make lots of RFI.

>
> And they don't when they're made out of resistor wire? Huh. Weird.
>
> Jasper


No, not as much. The resistance built into the length of the lead
chokes of the high frequencies that cause most of the interference !

--
Baron:
 
Jasper Janssen wrote:
>
> On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 16:26:04 -0500, Meat Plow <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 19:16:57 +0000, Jasper Janssen Has Frothed:
> >> On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:47:36 -0700, David Nebenzahl
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>[email protected] spake thus:
> >>>
> >>>> stupid question # 428
> >>>>
> >>>> if silicones insulate electrical wires then what are silicone spark
> >>>> plugs leads (wires)?
> >>>
> >>>The silicone is the insulator in them; the conductor is, usually,
> >>>carbon-impregnated fiber of some kind (basically a big long resistor).
> >>
> >> Why don't spark plug leads get made out of metal, copper or whatever?

>
> >They make lots of RFI.

>
> And they don't when they're made out of resistor wire? Huh. Weird.



Its not wire. Its conductive carbon fibers.


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prove it.
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Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
 
On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 10:52:18 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Jasper Janssen wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 16:26:04 -0500, Meat Plow <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 19:16:57 +0000, Jasper Janssen Has Frothed:


>> >>>The silicone is the insulator in them; the conductor is, usually,
>> >>>carbon-impregnated fiber of some kind (basically a big long resistor).
>> >>
>> >> Why don't spark plug leads get made out of metal, copper or whatever?

>>
>> >They make lots of RFI.

>>
>> And they don't when they're made out of resistor wire? Huh. Weird.

>
> Its not wire. Its conductive carbon fibers.


It's still wire. It's long and it conducts electricity, that's close
enoough for government work. Who cares if it's not technically made out of
metals.

Jasper
 
Jasper Janssen <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>> Its not wire. Its conductive carbon fibers.

>
> It's still wire. It's long and it conducts electricity, that's close
> enoough for government work. Who cares if it's not technically made
> out of metals.
>


Sorry, the Compact Oxford English Dictionary disagrees:

wire

• noun metal drawn out into a thin flexible thread or rod
 
On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 00:42:41 -0000, Jim Land
<RrrrFfffTttt(NO)@(SPAM)hotmail.com> wrote:
>Jasper Janssen <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>>> Its not wire. Its conductive carbon fibers.

>>
>> It's still wire. It's long and it conducts electricity, that's close
>> enoough for government work. Who cares if it's not technically made
>> out of metals.


>Sorry, the Compact Oxford English Dictionary disagrees:


Yes, I looked it up, that's why I formulated my post the way I did. So
don't be redundant.

Jasper