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  1. Elisa Francesca Roselli said:


    Okay, so about 2 weeks ago I started trying to ride on the road. Now I've graduated to doing
    _most_ of the short (1.6 km) trip to work by bike, but I still don't feel at all "road safe".

    One of my biggest current bugbears is signalling. I just CAN'T! If I take my hands off the
    handlebars for so much as a blink, I lose control of the steering and start keeling over sideways.
    Even just the concentration to shift gears or sound the bell perturbs me.


    (SNIP)

    Quoted message said:

    Is there any special _knack_ to this signalling, or is it just a matter of having a really sure
    seat on a bike? I know with coasting it was a matter of shifting consciousness from pedalling to
    balancing. But I tried a number of times to lift a hand from the steering while practicing in the
    parking lot yesterday and I can't get it at all.

    Thanks for your patience, everyone. It's like at this stage, every little thing is a hurdle.

    I can empathize, Elisa. I'm back in the saddle just 2 weeks now after letting my 1980 vintage
    10-speed rest for about 12 years, and I'm having troubles too (sit bones is the biggie!!). Most of
    my riding is in town, so I feel I must signal ... a lot ... and I wobble too when signaling. Not as
    much now as 2 weeks ago, but wobble nonetheless. I can tell, though, that by this time next month
    I'll get it right. Constant practice must be the key.

    When I was a kid (1960's), I *lived* on a bike and moved with much more grace on a bike than when
    walking. But my two bikes back then were an old J.C. Higgins coaster and an "English racer", a 60's
    vintage 3-speed made in Great Britain. Both of those must have had more rake in their front tubes
    because even a granny could have ridden them no-hands. My current bike seems to have much less rake,
    and therein lies my wobble problem (I think): very little steering input translates to *big*
    sideways movement.

    The best thing I did (just last weekend) was move the front brake cable from the left hand to the
    right hand. At least now I can signal and brake simultaneously. Whoever decided that U.S. bikes
    should have front brake control on the left hand was an idiot.

    Keep practicing. You'll get it, I am sure.

    Michael

  2. Elisa Francesca Roselli <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Luigi de Guzman said:

    Goodness, we might even see each other in Cambridge--I'll probably be up reading at the UL for a
    bit. I'll roll Bekah (my much-maligned pink and black MBK, the London bike) onto the train at
    KingsX. How's that for multimodal transportation strategy...?

    Hey cool, another Cantabridgian! I'm King's, History Tripos, BA 1978 MA 1982. I'll certainly be
    visiting the UL, although this year I have no specific research projects. My notion of an ideal
    summer hol is Cambridge for a writing project with time in the UL and buying books. Also I like to
    cook for the person I'm staying with. Sure, I'm a nerd - I know most people wouldn't consider that
    a holiday at all, LOL!

    I read History at St. John's BA 2001...tell me, were the windows on the Seeley always so dirty, or
    were they clean in your time? If you do go back to the Seeley, note the new 'meathook' bike storage
    thingies ranged around it...these occasioned much protest when they were put up, and several
    prominent members of the Faculty went so far as to campaign for their removal....[I signed the
    petition more out of dutiful obedience to the fellow teaching my Part II special subject than out of
    genuine conviction]

    As to reading in the UL--well, I miss it because there are books there...but seeing as I spent my
    fair share of time chained to a desk (naturally one of the ones near the radiators!) on North Front
    6 in that most fascist of cambridge buildings, I'm not sure how much I want to go back.

    (Although my grad friends have told me that the tea room is *the* place to go if you want to pick up
    grad students....)

    But since i've got a lot of friends still there, taking their PhD's, I've visited a lot...

    Quoted message said:


    As for multimodal, I was recently really pleased to notice that in Paris the RER, the suburban
    milk-train, takes cycles in the first and last wagon of every train - there's even a picture of a
    bicycle on them!

    Those RER trains are huge. although having brought a bicycle on one, I'd wonder how on earth I'd be
    able to carry it *off* again, on entering the city, since from what I remember of the few RER
    platforms I saw when I was last in Paris, there are usually quite a few steps to carry the bike over
    on arriving....

    You will find no such accomodation on the trains from London to Cambridge originating out of Kings'
    Cross--you may roll your bicycle on the end doors of each carriage, but there isn't any way to
    secure them. I usually find msyelf sitting on the floor next to my bike, lest it fall and hurt
    anybody else.

    It's easier to take a bike on a train that runs nonstop from London to Cambridge, if only because
    you know that nobody will roll it off the train as you doze off somewhere in Letchworth or some
    other godforsaken place. [1]

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I always found the Backs to be a bit of an unnerving place to ride, personally. I wasn't as
    confident back then, and Queens' Road was the only place in Cambridge, it seems, that anybody
    was allowed to develop any real speed, and so all the cars would gun it through that stretch

    Actually I meant on that broad grassy sidewalk behind [censored] Hall and Clare - I'd be spooked by the
    actual road.

    Ah, that bit. if you're too spooked by the road--and don't mind yielding to every pedestrian
    ever--you could move *slowly,* if illegaly, down the footpath from Silver Street until it ends at
    the back gate at St. John's. Mind the crossing cars at the back gate of Trinity, though....

    There are a lot of new bike trails built parallel to the roadway, too...Maddingley Rd. has a
    bikepath on each side of the roadway, so if you're really scared, you could stay there, but the
    usual bikepath cautions apply: you must be prepared to watch for cross-traffic from the driveways fo
    the houses , you must be willing to share the path with pedestrians, dogs, etc.

    This is all fine if you want to pfaff about Maddingley Road, but if you really needed to get into
    town--to buy books at Galloway & Porter's or G. David's or Heffers' (sadly now only an outpost of
    Blackwells', and much poorer for it, as they no longer stock independently of Blackwells' and so
    getting stuff for the reading-lists is far chancier) you'll need to get on the road....

    Quoted message said:

    Or perhaps Jesus Green then. It'll be on the way between home and the Town Centre. I've always
    walked it previously and it seemed to go on for miles and miles. I suppose it will look really
    short on a cycle!

    I used to head up the baseball society (imagine!) and we used to play every Sunday on Jesus green,
    occasionally endangering passing cyclists with our foul balls....

    anyway this is all rapidly sliding off-topic for rbm...if you like you can e-mail me.

    -Luigi

    [1] apologies to anybody from Letchworth, but I've been stranded there far too often, once by
    excessive drunkenness on the way back from London, and twice by excessive incompetence on the
    part of the railway network....

  3. Michael said:

    The best thing I did (just last weekend) was move the front brake cable from the left hand to the
    right hand. At least now I can signal and brake simultaneously. Whoever decided that U.S. bikes
    should have front brake control on the left hand was an idiot.


    wrong! you want to use the *rear* brake, not the front one! if you lock the rear wheel, you might
    skid. if you lock the front one, you go over the handlebars. i rarely use the front brake unless i'm
    using both brakes to stop quickly, and then the rear one always goes on first.

  4. Michael said:

    The best thing I did (just last weekend) was move the front brake cable from the left hand to the
    right hand. At least now I can signal and brake simultaneously. Whoever decided that U.S. bikes
    should have front brake control on the left hand was an idiot.

    Dennis P. Harris said:

    wrong! you want to use the *rear* brake, not the front one! if you lock the rear wheel, you might
    skid. if you lock the front one, you go over the handlebars. i rarely use the front brake unless
    i'm using both brakes to stop quickly, and then the rear one always goes on first.

    Just when you thought the word was out on this, someone puts out the conventional (wrong)
    wisdom again.

    Please read: sheldonbrown.combrakturn.html

    While you're at it here's some more good articles for you.

    sheldonbrown.comindex.html

    The front brake is the way to go. Joseba Beloki is looking at multiple surgeries and a year before
    racing again because he forgot and locked up his rear brake. As Sheldon says, it works in theory and
    in practice.

    --Bill Davidson
    --
    Please remove ".nospam" from my address for email replies.

    I'm a 17 year veteran of usenet -- you'd think I'd be over it by now

  5. (Dennis P. Harris) said:
    Michael said:

    The best thing I did (just last weekend) was move the front brake cable from the left hand to the
    right hand. At least now I can signal and brake simultaneously. Whoever decided that U.S. bikes
    should have front brake control on the left hand was an idiot.


    wrong! you want to use the *rear* brake, not the front one! if you lock the rear wheel, you might
    skid. if you lock the front one, you go over the handlebars. i rarely use the front brake unless
    i'm using both brakes to stop quickly, and then the rear one always goes on first.

    Hmm, the moron who abuses others he deems "anti helmet" is riding at a beginner level; unable
    to stop his bike as quickly as possible reflexively and avoiding getting in accidents in the
    first place.

    Suddenly the nonsense makes a lot more sense.

    Chris Bird

  6. (Dennis P. Harris) said:

    wrong! you want to use the *rear* brake, not the front one!

    Absolutely - how else are you going to ensure your helmet gets a workout?

    Guy
    ===
    ** WARNING ** This posting may contain traces of irony. chapmancentral.comchapmancentral.com [currently
    offline awaiting ADSL transfer to new ISP]

  7. On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 01:10:26 -0700, Bill Davidson <[email hidden]> from Cox

    Communications said:

    Please read: sheldonbrown.combrakturn.html

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    The front brake is the way to go. Joseba Beloki is looking at multiple surgeries and a year before
    racing again because he forgot and locked up his rear brake.

    I can't see in the video how Beloki applied his brakes. Has he said what happened exactly, yet?

    Form that URL:

    "The rear brake is O.K. for situations where traction is poor ...."

    IIRC, traction was poor the day Beloki went down.

    You are, however, correct that the front brake is the way to go in preference to the rear in most
    instances.
    --
    home.sport.rr.comcuthulu human rights = peace Didn't I buy a 1951 Packard from you last
    March in Cairo?
    1:22:21 PM 16 July 2003

  8. Chris B. said:


    (Dennis P. Harris) said:
    Michael said:

    The best thing I did (just last weekend) was move the front brake cable from the left hand to
    the right hand. At least now I can signal and brake simultaneously. Whoever decided that U.S.
    bikes should have front brake control on the left hand was an idiot.


    wrong! you want to use the *rear* brake, not the front one! if you lock the rear wheel, you might
    skid. if you lock the front one, you go over the handlebars. i rarely use the front brake unless
    i'm using both brakes to stop quickly, and then the rear one always goes on first.

    Hmm, the moron who abuses others he deems "anti helmet" is riding at a beginner level; unable
    to stop his bike as quickly as possible reflexively and avoiding getting in accidents in the
    first place.

    Suddenly the nonsense makes a lot more sense.

    Chris Bird

    Signalling isn't an issue at speed. Neither is braking. Steering and acceleration are.

    To hell with signalling when you're travelling at or above the posted
    limit.

  9. M.D. P.A.' cdub@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com said:
    Chris B. said:


    (Dennis P. Harris) said:

    On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:59:16 GMT in rec.bicycles.misc, Michael <[email hidden]> wrote:

    > The best thing I did (just last weekend) was move the front brake cable from the left hand to
    > the right hand. At least now I can signal and brake simultaneously. Whoever decided that U.S.
    > bikes should have front brake control on the left hand was an idiot.
    >
    wrong! you want to use the *rear* brake, not the front one! if you lock the rear wheel, you
    might skid. if you lock the front one, you go over the handlebars. i rarely use the front brake
    unless i'm using both brakes to stop quickly, and then the rear one always goes on first.

    Hmm, the moron who abuses others he deems "anti helmet" is riding at a beginner level; unable
    to stop his bike as quickly as possible reflexively and avoiding getting in accidents in the
    first place.

    Suddenly the nonsense makes a lot more sense.

    Chris Bird

    Quoted message said:

    Signalling isn't an issue at speed. Neither is braking. Steering and acceleration are.

    I already had the sample of nonsense I needed but thanks anyway.

    Chris Bird

  10. Kevan Smith said:

    I can't see in the video how Beloki applied his brakes. Has he said what happened exactly, yet?

    Lance was right behind him and said Beloki locked up his rear wheel. That's a good enough indicator
    for me; that and the way he slid and the point in the turn that he slid. Oh, and Sheldon's analysis
    that agrees with me helps.

    --Bill Davidson
    --
    Please remove ".nospam" from my address for email replies.

    I'm a 17 year veteran of usenet -- you'd think I'd be over it by now

  11. Dennis P. Harris said:


    wrong! you want to use the *rear* brake, not the front one! if you lock the rear wheel, you might
    skid. if you lock the front one, you go over the handlebars. i rarely use the front brake unless
    i'm using both brakes to stop quickly, and then the rear one always goes on first.

    Using just the rear brake will allow you to skid the rear wheel while crashing into whatever you
    were trying to avoid, since the braking effect is marginal. [1]

    [1] There are some exceptions to the rule - my long wheelbase recumbent has respectable braking
    using the rear brake only, but its weight distribution is approximately 30%/70% Front/Rear.

    Tom Sherman - Near the confluence of the Mississippi and Rock Rivers

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