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  1. Spring Tour in the Sierra 05-06 June 2006

    Summer came late this year with plenty of rain in April and May. On
    average, temperatures have been cooler than usual as last spring.
    This time I wore long sleeves for the whole trip.

    Richard Mlynarik and I headed for Sonora on Tuesday, 30 May, to stay
    at the Sonora Gold Lodge motel as these trips often have over the many
    years that I have undertaken them. Sonora lies at the base of the
    Sierra at about 1800ft elevation and is on the intersection of HWY49
    and HWY108, convenient to making a loop over Ebbetts, Monitor and
    Sonora Passes. After a good nights rest at the Sonora Gold Lodge we
    got on the road at 06:00 as planned.

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------

    Wednesday 31 May 2006

    At 06:00, with little traffic we headed up the hill to Columbia
    (2143ft), a historic gold mining town with preserved gold rush
    buildings, from which Parrots Ferry Road descends into the canyon of
    the Stanislaus river to connect to HWY4 at Valecito. We stopped to
    take pictures of the "new" Parrots Ferry bridge that spans the high
    waters of high bridge, (not shown on the attached map) at Parrots
    Ferry (1100ft) spans the backwaters of the New Melones reservoir that
    inundated this beautiful white water river.

    http://tinyurl.com/clw2y

    The bridge is worth mention because, after it was built, the center of
    its graceful arch broke and hung there from it's reinforcing steel
    about five feet below where it was designed to be. It was repaired by
    splicing huge reinforced concrete beams under the arch that now has a
    flat dip in its center. This time swallows that built mud nests under
    the bridge were already busy collecting insect out of the early
    morning sky.

    We climbed up the other side past moaning Cave Rd. so named after the
    Moaning Cavern that makes a low groan when large atmospheric changes
    make the cave exhale through its oddly shaped mouth. At Vallecito, a
    wide spot in the road, we turned east on HWY4, the Ebbetts Pass route,
    back up at 1800ft. We were still in the foothills of oaks with pastel
    blue-green foliage and willows that marked the abundance of water.

    While most of the grasses in the valleys to the west were already
    turning golden, here in the hills they were still green, with small
    swamps and springs in the middle of fields under the trees. From the
    bird calls, I detected robins, grosbeaks, woodpeckers, and my
    favorite, the hermit thrush that warbles with a built in echo, as it
    were in contrast to its silent winter when they often live in my back
    yard.

    http://www.caverntours.com/MoCavRt.htm

    At Murphys we began the long gradual climb up the western slope of the
    Sierra. The forest changed from oaks to conifers as we passed through
    Murphys (2172ft),Hathaway Pines, Arnold, Big Trees, and Camp Connell.
    Above Arnold (3960ft), the trees are a lovely mix of Red and White
    Fir, Ponderosa, Sugar and Jeffrey Pine, Incense Cedars, Douglas Fir
    and many Dogwoods blooming in the shade of the big trees.

    The road breaks out of the forest along a ridge near Black Springs
    (6400ft) that gives a panorama across the North Fork Stanislaus Basin,
    a huge rugged area called Hells Kitchen and crisscrossed by many roads
    remaining from logging and mining, including Hell's Half Acre Road
    that crosses to HWY108, the Sonora Pass road. The faint aroma of
    Mountain Misery, reminiscent of artichoke was everywhere.

    http://tinyurl.com/dda2u

    We stopped at Hells Kitchen Overlook (6778ft) to take pictures of the
    expansive panorama with the Dardanelle Minarets across the gorge near
    the Sonora pass road that we would see from closer tomorrow. The
    meadows around Bear Valley (7073ft) were mostly covered with snow with
    Canada geese, as usual, getting ready to continue migrating north. We
    stopped at the general store for a hot pastrami sandwich and soda pop
    to carry us over for the next three climbs, there being no other
    services en route until HWY395.

    A short climb brought us past the Mt Reba (HWY207) ski area, now
    called Bear Valley ski area from where it's a cruise to Lake Alpine
    that was still completely frozen but melting fast. The 30 foot snow
    pack we read about in the papers was nowhere to be found. It was an
    average snow pack, the big piles (if they existed) apparently having
    melted the previous week.

    At Alpine lake the road becomes narrower loses its center stripe as it
    makes the short steep climbs to Pacific Grade Summit. These are first
    indications that this is no longer an average state highway and it
    soon gets reinforced by the 24% grade signs farther on.

    Nothing exciting happens until Mosquito Lake and Pacific Grade Summit
    (8087ft) with a breathtaking view over Pacific Valley and Pacific
    Creek. The road dives downward through a set of steep ess bends that
    cross many contour lines in short order. We stopped at the bridge
    where Pacific Creek looks as though it might jump over the road as it
    cascades over huge boulders between snow banks.

    http://tinyurl.com/nl8yp

    Although less steep, the road makes some wonderful whoop-de-doos that
    can be taken in true roller coaster fashion on the way down to the
    Mokelumne river (7069ft) that drains Pacific and the much larger
    Hermit Valley. From here the road climbs gradually, with a beautiful
    view to the south into Hermit Valley, to Ebbetts Pass (8731ft) that
    itself has no view to either side. Oddly, it has a cattle guard as
    though there were range cattle here in the midst of this high forest.

    We met many bicyclists who were "training" for the Markleeville Death
    Ride, something I suppose would beat be done by going for bicycle
    rides in places of interest. None of these riders had any baggage, so
    it was obviously not a tour they were making.

    A swift descent got us out of the woods with a view across Kinney
    Reservoir and the rugged canyons beyond. Kinney Creek joins Silver
    creek and both raging cascades find their way quickly to the floor of
    the canyon far below as the road stays high before finally descending
    in a set of four large traverses with sharp hairpin turns to end the
    unusually steep section. No signs warned of the hairpin turns with
    their precipitous drops to Silver Creek, far below.

    Much of HWY4 in from Alpine Lake to the bottom of Silver Canyon has no
    center stripe or warning signs for such curves. One of these (at the
    Noble Lake trailhead) is known by locals as "Cadillac Curve" for the
    car at the bottom of the cliff that was too fast for the curve. A
    pickup truck joined the Cadillac some time later. Of course this has
    all been cleaned up years ago.

    http://tinyurl.com/7lstf

    We descended along the now docile Silver Creek to its confluence with
    the East Fork Carson River, that like all major rivers in Nevada,
    flows into the desert to evaporate. We had blue skies and pleasant
    temperatures with a pleasant breeze from behind most of the way.

    We turned up Monitor Creek on HWY89, an oddly small stream for such a
    large drainage. In contrast to former years, it was visibly clear
    water although probably unfit to drink for all the runoff from the
    mines along the canyon. The road levels off at Heenan Lake (7084ft),
    from which Monitor Creek flows.

    http://tinyurl.com/7cowp

    Toward the top of the climb, we left the sparse conifers and rode
    through groves of aspen. I remembered to check my altimeter at the
    false summit and again at Monitor Pass summit (8314ft) to find that
    the two summits are not the same height as they appear, but differ by
    about 100 feet and are about 3/4 mile apart. This broad nearly flat
    summit has Leviathan Peak (8942ft) overlooking the plateau as in the
    old days, when these fire lookouts guarded against wildfires,
    something done today by satellites.

    We took pictures of the stone summit marker in the grove of aspen
    before heading down across the broad gently sloping plateau to the
    Mono county line a mile and a half away. With the brisk tailwind this
    and the lower part yielded high top speeds as it often does. We saw
    few birds, probably because the pleasant tailwind kept them in the
    bush. I found a brilliant mountain bluebird that appears to have its
    own light source, but it had been killed by a passing car. Clear air
    gave us a broad panorama of Antelope Valley below, framed by snow
    capped mountains at the county line.

    On this steeper long runs heading east high speeds were reached with
    the wind that was more apparent on the opposing runs into the wind
    than here. It was a swift run to the narrows of Slinkard Creek just
    before reaching HWY395 (5084ft). Here our tailwind became a side wind
    on the nine miles on HWY395 up the valley to Walker (5400ft). Where
    we stayed at the Toiyabe Motel that I especially like because the
    front and back windows can be opened to let the cool mountain air blow
    through. We had unit 11, the one farthest from HWY395, with its many
    trucks.

    We got a great night's rest after a great pizza and salad dinner
    washed down with a couple of beers.

    119 miles, 13600ft climbing.

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------

    Thursday 01 June 2006

    In the morning we got a great breakfast with an all around omelet that
    had the whole kitchen in it, with spinach, potatoes, sausage, olives
    and other goodies. From here it was 14 miles up the canyon of the
    West Walker River with a fairly stiff downstream slope-wind, typical
    of mornings. When we reached Sonora Pass JCT (6909ft), the wind was
    gone as we rolled downhill to cross the Walker river again. On that
    stretch, we were not disappointed in that there were many yellow
    headed blackbirds in the marsh as we had hoped.

    From here we passed the Marine Mountain Warfare base and began
    climbing the steep whoop-de-doos of Sonora Pass to get to Levitt
    Meadows. After tanking up on drinks we attacked the 26% curve just
    above the Pack Station and cranked on up the hill. Anyone who tells
    me one should spin up this grade in low gears hasn't tried it. I have
    never seen anyone spin or come close to that description in the 50
    years that I have ridden that pass with all sorts of great local
    racers.

    http://tinyurl.com/quvbc

    After following the north side of the valley, the road abruptly heads
    up Leavitt Creek with some bumps of 18% grade, leveling out at the
    site of the former Leavitt Meadows Store. Just past the Leavitt
    Meadows Pack Station the road makes a sharp right turn into its
    steepest grade of 26% and lets up to about 20% for another quarter
    mile. The half mile from the curve is probably the most challenging
    part of this side of the pass, the rest being a moderate grade between
    steep sections and a couple of descents.

    About three miles from the top, the road heads up Sardine Creek with a
    jolt. A sign at the junction warned of 26% grades and one of these is
    a surprise bend for descenders, an ess curve hidden behind a verge for
    downhill traffic. I had encountered this one years ago between snow
    walls that were melting onto the road. No one crashed but we were
    close to it.

    This curve is not trivial even from below because unsuspecting uphill
    traffic should get into low gear and doesn't. Because this section is
    short it probably doesn't leave the bicyclist with a lasting
    impression as does the section at Leavitt Meadows or the last
    half-mile to the summit. However, descending this curve is memorable.

    As was the case on Ebbetts pass, there was little snow on Sonora Pass
    until we reached 8000ft and then it wasn't anything unusual for the
    time of year. At the summit, snow walls were as high as 15ft in a few
    places. Pavement was surprisingly good compared to some for the
    disintegrating places on the other passes.

    This last section crests a small apex, in a curve and descends through
    a dip that appears to be the maximum 26% grade on either side, from
    where it relaxes to a 12-15% grade to the summit. Descending this
    section is the only place where I have exceeded 50 mph without wind
    and had to brake hard while coasting up a 26% grade to safely round
    the curve at the top. It's an exciting road in both directions.

    http://tinyurl.com/ceo7b

    After a photo session the summit of Sonora Pass (9624ft) we descended
    toward Dardanelle. The road descends gently for about a mile next to
    Deadman's Creek before it dives down the Golden Stairs past the 9000ft
    marker and around a pair of ess bends to level off at 8000ft briefly
    before the next steep section. The road was in excellent shape with
    little traffic. We were down to Kennedy Meadows (6500ft) in no time
    as we passed the uphill challenges of the west slope at speed.

    Kennedy meadows lies at the bottom of the steep climbs from where the
    road makes a few rollers along the Stanislaus River before the
    Dardanelle Store (5265ft). We stopped for some eats and drink before
    continuing to Clark Fork JCT where the road suddenly looks like a
    regular state highway again with gentle curves and mild grades. I
    made a point of photographing the powerful reel-type snow plow whose
    plow and blower motor was about twice as large as those of large
    bulldozers.

    From Clark Fork JCT (5671ft) a gentle two and a half mile hill got us
    to Donnells Vista Point (6291ft) with a 1500ft near vertical drop to
    the surface of Donnells Lake (4800ft) on the Middle Fork Stanislaus
    River. Across the valley, the Dardanelle Cones (9524ft), ancient
    volcanic formations, stand high above with large skirts of scree.

    From here, the road climbs to 6500ft and levels off again at about
    6000ft with a few more ups and downs before a two-mile descent to
    Strawberry (5100ft). We stopped at the store for a snack before
    crossing the South Fork of the Stanislaus up to Pinecrest Junction and
    on to Cold Springs (5720ft).

    That's about it for climbing; the rest was mainly downhill to Sonora
    with a few little bumps before Twain Harte where we turned off down
    Tuolumne Rd to the city of that name. So we turned west on Tuolumne
    City road that climbs to Ralph, the former junction of the Sierra
    Railroad and Pickering (logging) Railroad that had its shops at a huge
    mill in Standard a bit farther down. The Pickering climbed to Twain
    Hearte before descending into the Middle Fork Stanislaus crossing
    Beardsley Dam to the forests on the north side of the river.

    http://tinyurl.com/adnk2

    To get 9off HWY108, that has a lot of afternoon traffic, we turned of
    onto Tuolumne City Road at Twain Harte and at the bottom made the
    short climb to Ralph, where the Pickering Logging RR joined the Sierra
    RR. From here it is mostly downhill to Sonora as we passed Wards
    Ferry Rd and and got back to the start in Sonora where we loaded our
    bicycles in the car for the uneventful ride back home.

    Day one 119 miles, 13600ft climbing.
    Day two 99 miles, 7300ft climbing
    -------------------------------------------

    Jobst Brandt

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    Nice report

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    From here the road climbs gradually, with a beautiful
    view to the south into Hermit Valley, to Ebbetts Pass (8731ft) that
    itself has no view to either side. Oddly, it has a cattle guard as
    though there were range cattle here in the midst of this high forest.


    There are range cattle all over that area. Sometimes that high up. I
    was stopped once by cattle in the road near the small lake half mile
    downhill from Ebbetts Pass.

    Tom

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    Nice report

    You're welcome.

    Quoted message said:
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    ... From here the road climbs gradually, with a beautiful view to
    the south into Hermit Valley, to Ebbetts Pass (8731ft) that itself
    has no view to either side. Oddly, it has a cattle guard as though
    there were range cattle here in the midst of this high forest.

    Quoted message said:

    There are range cattle all over that area. Sometimes that high up. I
    was stopped once by cattle in the road near the small lake half mile
    downhill from Ebbetts Pass.

    Interestingly three or four such cattle guards on Monitor pass have
    been removed or paved over.

    There are no small lakes near the top of Ebbetts Pass, although Kinney
    Reservoir is about two miles down. It is that two mile stretch that
    gave us the "Death Ride" in response to one of my rides in the early
    1970's when I took a bunch of local bicycle racers over the pass from
    Markleeville, before it was completely plowed. On that Sunday we
    found two snow plows parked at the reservoir with a five foot wall of
    snow in front of them. From there I lead the hike over spring snow
    these last two miles to the cattle guard, the county line, where the
    road was plowed from the west.

    If you do something like that, be aware that even though the road is
    not clear or its trace readily visible, you must stay on it because
    going cross country, you will encounter a creek with vertical snow
    walls and no way of crossing. I first discovered that on my first
    Sierra ride in 1957, as we crossed Luther Pass from Tahoe to
    Markleeville. This requires careful assessment of where the trees
    stand and from that, where the road must lie.

    Having never hiked over snow on a bicycle ride, riders came back to
    Palo Alto telling wild tales of a death march, which inspired various
    folks to make a project of such a ride, finding it a catchy name. I
    am dismayed how many people do this for the "merit badge" aspect
    rather than the beauty of the land through which these roads pass.

    Just ride bike, and if you didn't like it, don't tell me about it. We
    have had years in this newsgroup when writers would try to outdo each
    other with arduous tales of freezing cold, rain and deprivation.

    Enough!

    Jobst Brandt

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    Spring Tour in the Sierra 05-06 June 2006

    Summer came late this year with plenty of rain in April and May. On
    average, temperatures have been cooler than usual as last spring.
    This time I wore long sleeves for the whole trip.

    Richard Mlynarik and I headed for Sonora on Tuesday, 30 May, to stay
    at the Sonora Gold Lodge motel as these trips often have over the many
    years that I have undertaken them. Sonora lies at the base of the
    Sierra at about 1800ft elevation and is on the intersection of HWY49
    and HWY108, convenient to making a loop over Ebbetts, Monitor and
    Sonora Passes. After a good nights rest at the Sonora Gold Lodge we
    got on the road at 06:00 as planned.

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------

    Wednesday 31 May 2006

    At 06:00, with little traffic we headed up the hill to Columbia
    (2143ft), a historic gold mining town with preserved gold rush
    buildings, from which Parrots Ferry Road descends into the canyon of
    the Stanislaus river to connect to HWY4 at Valecito. We stopped to
    take pictures of the "new" Parrots Ferry bridge that spans the high
    waters of high bridge, (not shown on the attached map) at Parrots
    Ferry (1100ft) spans the backwaters of the New Melones reservoir that
    inundated this beautiful white water river.

    http://tinyurl.com/clw2y

    The bridge is worth mention because, after it was built, the center of
    its graceful arch broke and hung there from it's reinforcing steel
    about five feet below where it was designed to be. It was repaired by
    splicing huge reinforced concrete beams under the arch that now has a
    flat dip in its center. This time swallows that built mud nests under
    the bridge were already busy collecting insect out of the early
    morning sky.

    We climbed up the other side past moaning Cave Rd. so named after the
    Moaning Cavern that makes a low groan when large atmospheric changes
    make the cave exhale through its oddly shaped mouth. At Vallecito, a
    wide spot in the road, we turned east on HWY4, the Ebbetts Pass route,
    back up at 1800ft. We were still in the foothills of oaks with pastel
    blue-green foliage and willows that marked the abundance of water.

    While most of the grasses in the valleys to the west were already
    turning golden, here in the hills they were still green, with small
    swamps and springs in the middle of fields under the trees. From the
    bird calls, I detected robins, grosbeaks, woodpeckers, and my
    favorite, the hermit thrush that warbles with a built in echo, as it
    were in contrast to its silent winter when they often live in my back
    yard.

    http://www.caverntours.com/MoCavRt.htm

    At Murphys we began the long gradual climb up the western slope of the
    Sierra. The forest changed from oaks to conifers as we passed through
    Murphys (2172ft),Hathaway Pines, Arnold, Big Trees, and Camp Connell.
    Above Arnold (3960ft), the trees are a lovely mix of Red and White
    Fir, Ponderosa, Sugar and Jeffrey Pine, Incense Cedars, Douglas Fir
    and many Dogwoods blooming in the shade of the big trees.

    The road breaks out of the forest along a ridge near Black Springs
    (6400ft) that gives a panorama across the North Fork Stanislaus Basin,
    a huge rugged area called Hells Kitchen and crisscrossed by many roads
    remaining from logging and mining, including Hell's Half Acre Road
    that crosses to HWY108, the Sonora Pass road. The faint aroma of
    Mountain Misery, reminiscent of artichoke was everywhere.

    http://tinyurl.com/dda2u

    We stopped at Hells Kitchen Overlook (6778ft) to take pictures of the
    expansive panorama with the Dardanelle Minarets across the gorge near
    the Sonora pass road that we would see from closer tomorrow. The
    meadows around Bear Valley (7073ft) were mostly covered with snow with
    Canada geese, as usual, getting ready to continue migrating north. We
    stopped at the general store for a hot pastrami sandwich and soda pop
    to carry us over for the next three climbs, there being no other
    services en route until HWY395.

    A short climb brought us past the Mt Reba (HWY207) ski area, now
    called Bear Valley ski area from where it's a cruise to Lake Alpine
    that was still completely frozen but melting fast. The 30 foot snow
    pack we read about in the papers was nowhere to be found. It was an
    average snow pack, the big piles (if they existed) apparently having
    melted the previous week.

    At Alpine lake the road becomes narrower loses its center stripe as it
    makes the short steep climbs to Pacific Grade Summit. These are first
    indications that this is no longer an average state highway and it
    soon gets reinforced by the 24% grade signs farther on.

    Nothing exciting happens until Mosquito Lake and Pacific Grade Summit
    (8087ft) with a breathtaking view over Pacific Valley and Pacific
    Creek. The road dives downward through a set of steep ess bends that
    cross many contour lines in short order. We stopped at the bridge
    where Pacific Creek looks as though it might jump over the road as it
    cascades over huge boulders between snow banks.

    http://tinyurl.com/nl8yp

    Although less steep, the road makes some wonderful whoop-de-doos that
    can be taken in true roller coaster fashion on the way down to the
    Mokelumne river (7069ft) that drains Pacific and the much larger
    Hermit Valley. From here the road climbs gradually, with a beautiful
    view to the south into Hermit Valley, to Ebbetts Pass (8731ft) that
    itself has no view to either side. Oddly, it has a cattle guard as
    though there were range cattle here in the midst of this high forest.

    We met many bicyclists who were "training" for the Markleeville Death
    Ride, something I suppose would beat be done by going for bicycle
    rides in places of interest. None of these riders had any baggage, so
    it was obviously not a tour they were making.

    A swift descent got us out of the woods with a view across Kinney
    Reservoir and the rugged canyons beyond. Kinney Creek joins Silver
    creek and both raging cascades find their way quickly to the floor of
    the canyon far below as the road stays high before finally descending
    in a set of four large traverses with sharp hairpin turns to end the
    unusually steep section. No signs warned of the hairpin turns with
    their precipitous drops to Silver Creek, far below.

    Much of HWY4 in from Alpine Lake to the bottom of Silver Canyon has no
    center stripe or warning signs for such curves. One of these (at the
    Noble Lake trailhead) is known by locals as "Cadillac Curve" for the
    car at the bottom of the cliff that was too fast for the curve. A
    pickup truck joined the Cadillac some time later. Of course this has
    all been cleaned up years ago.

    http://tinyurl.com/7lstf

    We descended along the now docile Silver Creek to its confluence with
    the East Fork Carson River, that like all major rivers in Nevada,
    flows into the desert to evaporate. We had blue skies and pleasant
    temperatures with a pleasant breeze from behind most of the way.

    We turned up Monitor Creek on HWY89, an oddly small stream for such a
    large drainage. In contrast to former years, it was visibly clear
    water although probably unfit to drink for all the runoff from the
    mines along the canyon. The road levels off at Heenan Lake (7084ft),
    from which Monitor Creek flows.

    http://tinyurl.com/7cowp

    Toward the top of the climb, we left the sparse conifers and rode
    through groves of aspen. I remembered to check my altimeter at the
    false summit and again at Monitor Pass summit (8314ft) to find that
    the two summits are not the same height as they appear, but differ by
    about 100 feet and are about 3/4 mile apart. This broad nearly flat
    summit has Leviathan Peak (8942ft) overlooking the plateau as in the
    old days, when these fire lookouts guarded against wildfires,
    something done today by satellites.

    We took pictures of the stone summit marker in the grove of aspen
    before heading down across the broad gently sloping plateau to the
    Mono county line a mile and a half away. With the brisk tailwind this
    and the lower part yielded high top speeds as it often does. We saw
    few birds, probably because the pleasant tailwind kept them in the
    bush. I found a brilliant mountain bluebird that appears to have its
    own light source, but it had been killed by a passing car. Clear air
    gave us a broad panorama of Antelope Valley below, framed by snow
    capped mountains at the county line.

    On this steeper long runs heading east high speeds were reached with
    the wind that was more apparent on the opposing runs into the wind
    than here. It was a swift run to the narrows of Slinkard Creek just
    before reaching HWY395 (5084ft). Here our tailwind became a side wind
    on the nine miles on HWY395 up the valley to Walker (5400ft). Where
    we stayed at the Toiyabe Motel that I especially like because the
    front and back windows can be opened to let the cool mountain air blow
    through. We had unit 11, the one farthest from HWY395, with its many
    trucks.

    We got a great night's rest after a great pizza and salad dinner
    washed down with a couple of beers.

    119 miles, 13600ft climbing.

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------

    Thursday 01 June 2006

    In the morning we got a great breakfast with an all around omelet that
    had the whole kitchen in it, with spinach, potatoes, sausage, olives
    and other goodies. From here it was 14 miles up the canyon of the
    West Walker River with a fairly stiff downstream slope-wind, typical
    of mornings. When we reached Sonora Pass JCT (6909ft), the wind was
    gone as we rolled downhill to cross the Walker river again. On that
    stretch, we were not disappointed in that there were many yellow
    headed blackbirds in the marsh as we had hoped.

    From here we passed the Marine Mountain Warfare base and began
    climbing the steep whoop-de-doos of Sonora Pass to get to Levitt
    Meadows. After tanking up on drinks we attacked the 26% curve just
    above the Pack Station and cranked on up the hill. Anyone who tells
    me one should spin up this grade in low gears hasn't tried it. I have
    never seen anyone spin or come close to that description in the 50
    years that I have ridden that pass with all sorts of great local
    racers.

    http://tinyurl.com/quvbc

    After following the north side of the valley, the road abruptly heads
    up Leavitt Creek with some bumps of 18% grade, leveling out at the
    site of the former Leavitt Meadows Store. Just past the Leavitt
    Meadows Pack Station the road makes a sharp right turn into its
    steepest grade of 26% and lets up to about 20% for another quarter
    mile. The half mile from the curve is probably the most challenging
    part of this side of the pass, the rest being a moderate grade between
    steep sections and a couple of descents.

    About three miles from the top, the road heads up Sardine Creek with a
    jolt. A sign at the junction warned of 26% grades and one of these is
    a surprise bend for descenders, an ess curve hidden behind a verge for
    downhill traffic. I had encountered this one years ago between snow
    walls that were melting onto the road. No one crashed but we were
    close to it.

    This curve is not trivial even from below because unsuspecting uphill
    traffic should get into low gear and doesn't. Because this section is
    short it probably doesn't leave the bicyclist with a lasting
    impression as does the section at Leavitt Meadows or the last
    half-mile to the summit. However, descending this curve is memorable.

    As was the case on Ebbetts pass, there was little snow on Sonora Pass
    until we reached 8000ft and then it wasn't anything unusual for the
    time of year. At the summit, snow walls were as high as 15ft in a few
    places. Pavement was surprisingly good compared to some for the
    disintegrating places on the other passes.

    This last section crests a small apex, in a curve and descends through
    a dip that appears to be the maximum 26% grade on either side, from
    where it relaxes to a 12-15% grade to the summit. Descending this
    section is the only place where I have exceeded 50 mph without wind
    and had to brake hard while coasting up a 26% grade to safely round
    the curve at the top. It's an exciting road in both directions.

    http://tinyurl.com/ceo7b

    After a photo session the summit of Sonora Pass (9624ft) we descended
    toward Dardanelle. The road descends gently for about a mile next to
    Deadman's Creek before it dives down the Golden Stairs past the 9000ft
    marker and around a pair of ess bends to level off at 8000ft briefly
    before the next steep section. The road was in excellent shape with
    little traffic. We were down to Kennedy Meadows (6500ft) in no time
    as we passed the uphill challenges of the west slope at speed.

    Kennedy meadows lies at the bottom of the steep climbs from where the
    road makes a few rollers along the Stanislaus River before the
    Dardanelle Store (5265ft). We stopped for some eats and drink before
    continuing to Clark Fork JCT where the road suddenly looks like a
    regular state highway again with gentle curves and mild grades. I
    made a point of photographing the powerful reel-type snow plow whose
    plow and blower motor was about twice as large as those of large
    bulldozers.

    From Clark Fork JCT (5671ft) a gentle two and a half mile hill got us
    to Donnells Vista Point (6291ft) with a 1500ft near vertical drop to
    the surface of Donnells Lake (4800ft) on the Middle Fork Stanislaus
    River. Across the valley, the Dardanelle Cones (9524ft), ancient
    volcanic formations, stand high above with large skirts of scree.

    From here, the road climbs to 6500ft and levels off again at about
    6000ft with a few more ups and downs before a two-mile descent to
    Strawberry (5100ft). We stopped at the store for a snack before
    crossing the South Fork of the Stanislaus up to Pinecrest Junction and
    on to Cold Springs (5720ft).

    That's about it for climbing; the rest was mainly downhill to Sonora
    with a few little bumps before Twain Harte where we turned off down
    Tuolumne Rd to the city of that name. So we turned west on Tuolumne
    City road that climbs to Ralph, the former junction of the Sierra
    Railroad and Pickering (logging) Railroad that had its shops at a huge
    mill in Standard a bit farther down. The Pickering climbed to Twain
    Hearte before descending into the Middle Fork Stanislaus crossing
    Beardsley Dam to the forests on the north side of the river.

    http://tinyurl.com/adnk2

    To get 9off HWY108, that has a lot of afternoon traffic, we turned of
    onto Tuolumne City Road at Twain Harte and at the bottom made the
    short climb to Ralph, where the Pickering Logging RR joined the Sierra
    RR. From here it is mostly downhill to Sonora as we passed Wards
    Ferry Rd and and got back to the start in Sonora where we loaded our
    bicycles in the car for the uneventful ride back home.

    Day one 119 miles, 13600ft climbing.
    Day two 99 miles, 7300ft climbing
    -------------------------------------------

    Jobst Brandt

    Do you ever ride on flat roads?

  5. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Ron Wallenfang said:

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    Spring Tour in the Sierra 05-06 June 2006

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Day one 119 miles, 13600ft climbing.
    Day two 99 miles, 7300ft climbing
    -------------------------------------------

    Jobst Brandt

    Do you ever ride on flat roads?

    Jeez, Ron, learn how to pare down quoted material so there aren't three
    hundred lines of quoted text and a one line comment.

  6. Quoted message said:

    There are no small lakes near the top of Ebbetts Pass, although Kinney
    Reservoir is about two miles down. It is that two mile stretch that
    gave us the "Death Ride" in response to one of my rides in the early
    1970's when I took a bunch of local bicycle racers over the pass from
    Markleeville, before it was completely plowed. On that Sunday we
    found two snow plows parked at the reservoir with a five foot wall of
    snow in front of them. From there I lead the hike over spring snow
    these last two miles to the cattle guard, the county line, where the
    road was plowed from the west.

    I have heard about this ride before, and while it was certainly an
    adventure, it is not the origin of the Markleeville Death Ride.

    (The distance from the top of Ebbetts Pass to the far end of Kinney
    Reservoir - by the dam - is just under 1 mile, not 2. It would seem
    that cycling lore, like fish tales, have lengths that increase as the
    story ages.)

    The Markleeville Death Ride was inspired by a single day of a two week
    cycling tour called SuperTour. SuperTour evolved out of a series of 3
    day "long weekend" rides held in 72, 73, and 74 by the now defunct
    Diablo Wheelmen. In 75, Carter Squires organized the Diablo Wheelman's
    first multi-day cycling event, during which people would ride centuries
    (100 miles) day after day for 8 days. When asked how the tour went,
    Carter responded, "SuperTour was a failure--everyone finished." If the
    75 tour was so easy everyone could finish, GrandTour/SuperTour 76 would
    be so hard that only a few had the gall to sign up for both rides. In
    this regard Carter was completely successful--each of the two weeks was
    1,000 miles (140 miles/day for the Grand Tour, 127 miles/day for
    SuperTour) and only 5 of the 27 who had signed up for both tours were
    able to ride Every *Fine Inch (EFI). (*The "F" does not really stand
    for "Fine."😉

    One of the interesting features of the early SuperTours were the
    narrative route descriptions provided by John F. Scott, professor of
    Sociology at the University of California, Davis. John was an active
    cyclist beginning in the Dark Ages (before the 1960s) and had either
    ridden or driven essentially every mile of the route. John wrote the
    descriptions in sequence order, and despite becoming somewhat inured to
    the relentless suffering each day represented, he was stopped cold when
    he saw the route sheet for Day 5 of SuperTour--from Indian Grinding
    Rock State Park outside Jackson up CA Route 88 over the triple summits
    of Tragedy Springs, Carson Spur, and Carson Pass followed by an ascent
    of Monitor pass enroute to Markleeville. 140 miles, 14,000 feet of
    climbing. It was the absolutely worst day of an extraordinarily awful
    event. John immediately christened the stage "Der Grosse Totenmarsch
    nach Markleeville" (The Great Markleeville Death March) and scrawled
    the runes of the dreaded SS along with the motto on the gates of
    Auschwitz ("Arbeit macht frei," or "work makes one free"😉 on the
    gradient map.

    One of the riders on SuperTour 76 was Wayne Martin. A few years later
    Wayne had moved to Markleeville, and inspired by that day's ride,
    created a route that rode up 5 different passes (Kingsbury, Luther,
    Carson, Monitor, and Ebbetts). He gathered together about 15 other
    delirious souls, charged them $1 for organizing the affair, and
    proceeded to climb all 5 passes. Support was supplied by stopping off
    at the Cutthroat Saloon and replacing body fluids with dubiously
    helpful assorted liquids. As Wayne says: "Well, about half of us made
    the damn thing...and The Death Ride was born."

    The route has changed over the years (now only Carson, Monitor and
    Ebbetts are ridden, the latter two are climbed from both sides so there
    are still 5 passes) and Wayne long ago turned over the ride to the
    Alpine County Chamber of Commerce, but it was that fateful day on
    SuperTour 76 that provided the origins for the Markleeville Death Ride.

    Another famous ride in California - the Climb to Kaiser - also has its
    origins in SuperTour. It was originally conceived as a training ride
    for SuperTour. Some members of the Fresno Cycling Club did SuperTour
    and felt a long, well-supported mountainous trianing ride several weeks
    before SuperTour would be welcomed by the cycling community.

    Amazingly, given its complete lack of formal organization, SuperTour
    has continued to put on a tour every year (obligatory disclaimer - I am
    one of the organizers for this year's tour). You can see details of
    this year's trip at supertour.home.att.net.

    Wayne Martin now runs low cost, low support trips (cycling, hiking, and
    kayaking) and his website is www.nomints.com (obligatory disclaimer 2 -
    I'm a friend of Wayne and have done many of his trips).

  7. Jeff,

    Thanks for your writeup about the 1976 Death Ride. I rode this
    particular SuperTour, and your presentation was factual and accurate.

    Regarding Dr. Scott, I rode on and off with him during the 1960's-80's
    and never tired in listening to his cycling stories, many of which had
    sociological twists. Besides being an excellent writer, John is an
    interesting and entertaining individual; the fact that through the
    years he has acquired many nicknames, some being unprintable, is a dead
    giveaway as to his colorful (some might say outrageous) personality.

    I wonder if John's cycling career/stories will ever be formalized into
    a book? It would make great reading.

    Jeff Orum said:
    Quoted message said:

    There are no small lakes near the top of Ebbetts Pass, although Kinney
    Reservoir is about two miles down. It is that two mile stretch that
    gave us the "Death Ride" in response to one of my rides in the early
    1970's when I took a bunch of local bicycle racers over the pass from
    Markleeville, before it was completely plowed. On that Sunday we
    found two snow plows parked at the reservoir with a five foot wall of
    snow in front of them. From there I lead the hike over spring snow
    these last two miles to the cattle guard, the county line, where the
    road was plowed from the west.

    I have heard about this ride before, and while it was certainly an
    adventure, it is not the origin of the Markleeville Death Ride.

    (The distance from the top of Ebbetts Pass to the far end of Kinney
    Reservoir - by the dam - is just under 1 mile, not 2. It would seem
    that cycling lore, like fish tales, have lengths that increase as the
    story ages.)

    The Markleeville Death Ride was inspired by a single day of a two week
    cycling tour called SuperTour. SuperTour evolved out of a series of 3
    day "long weekend" rides held in 72, 73, and 74 by the now defunct
    Diablo Wheelmen. In 75, Carter Squires organized the Diablo Wheelman's
    first multi-day cycling event, during which people would ride centuries
    (100 miles) day after day for 8 days. When asked how the tour went,
    Carter responded, "SuperTour was a failure--everyone finished." If the
    75 tour was so easy everyone could finish, GrandTour/SuperTour 76 would
    be so hard that only a few had the gall to sign up for both rides. In
    this regard Carter was completely successful--each of the two weeks was
    1,000 miles (140 miles/day for the Grand Tour, 127 miles/day for
    SuperTour) and only 5 of the 27 who had signed up for both tours were
    able to ride Every *Fine Inch (EFI). (*The "F" does not really stand
    for "Fine."😉

    One of the interesting features of the early SuperTours were the
    narrative route descriptions provided by John F. Scott, professor of
    Sociology at the University of California, Davis. John was an active
    cyclist beginning in the Dark Ages (before the 1960s) and had either
    ridden or driven essentially every mile of the route. John wrote the
    descriptions in sequence order, and despite becoming somewhat inured to
    the relentless suffering each day represented, he was stopped cold when
    he saw the route sheet for Day 5 of SuperTour--from Indian Grinding
    Rock State Park outside Jackson up CA Route 88 over the triple summits
    of Tragedy Springs, Carson Spur, and Carson Pass followed by an ascent
    of Monitor pass enroute to Markleeville. 140 miles, 14,000 feet of
    climbing. It was the absolutely worst day of an extraordinarily awful
    event. John immediately christened the stage "Der Grosse Totenmarsch
    nach Markleeville" (The Great Markleeville Death March) and scrawled
    the runes of the dreaded SS along with the motto on the gates of
    Auschwitz ("Arbeit macht frei," or "work makes one free"😉 on the
    gradient map.

    One of the riders on SuperTour 76 was Wayne Martin. A few years later
    Wayne had moved to Markleeville, and inspired by that day's ride,
    created a route that rode up 5 different passes (Kingsbury, Luther,
    Carson, Monitor, and Ebbetts). He gathered together about 15 other
    delirious souls, charged them $1 for organizing the affair, and
    proceeded to climb all 5 passes. Support was supplied by stopping off
    at the Cutthroat Saloon and replacing body fluids with dubiously
    helpful assorted liquids. As Wayne says: "Well, about half of us made
    the damn thing...and The Death Ride was born."

    The route has changed over the years (now only Carson, Monitor and
    Ebbetts are ridden, the latter two are climbed from both sides so there
    are still 5 passes) and Wayne long ago turned over the ride to the
    Alpine County Chamber of Commerce, but it was that fateful day on
    SuperTour 76 that provided the origins for the Markleeville Death Ride.

    Another famous ride in California - the Climb to Kaiser - also has its
    origins in SuperTour. It was originally conceived as a training ride
    for SuperTour. Some members of the Fresno Cycling Club did SuperTour
    and felt a long, well-supported mountainous trianing ride several weeks
    before SuperTour would be welcomed by the cycling community.

    Amazingly, given its complete lack of formal organization, SuperTour
    has continued to put on a tour every year (obligatory disclaimer - I am
    one of the organizers for this year's tour). You can see details of
    this year's trip at supertour.home.att.net.

    Wayne Martin now runs low cost, low support trips (cycling, hiking, and
    kayaking) and his website is www.nomints.com (obligatory disclaimer 2 -
    I'm a friend of Wayne and have done many of his trips).

  8. Jeff Orum said:
    Quoted message said:

    There are no small lakes near the top of Ebbetts Pass, although
    Kinney Reservoir is about two miles down. It is that two mile
    stretch that gave us the "Death Ride" in response to one of my
    rides in the early 1970's when I took a bunch of local bicycle
    racers over the pass from Markleeville, before it was completely
    plowed. On that Sunday we found two snow plows parked at the
    reservoir with a five foot wall of snow in front of them. From
    there I lead the hike over spring snow these last two miles to the
    cattle guard, the county line, where the road was plowed from the
    west.

    Quoted message said:

    I have heard about this ride before, and while it was certainly an
    adventure, it is not the origin of the Markleeville Death Ride.

    Quoted message said:

    (The distance from the top of Ebbetts Pass to the far end of Kinney
    Reservoir - by the dam - is just under 1 mile, not 2. It would seem
    that cycling lore, like fish tales, have lengths that increase as
    the story ages.)

    I think you'll find it to be closer to 1.5 miles according to USGS:

    http://tinyurl.com/cd9r7

    Since the ride reports from those days were lost when rec.bicycles
    broke up into ..tech, ..misc, ..rides, etc, I don't have the article
    or the year but you can be assured that my rides in 1957 ad later were
    before any death ride was organized. Peter Rich's Tour of California
    race in the Sierra was in those days and there was no inkling of
    century rides of any sort.

    Quoted message said:

    The Markleeville Death Ride was inspired by a single day of a two
    week cycling tour called SuperTour. SuperTour evolved out of a
    series of 3 day "long weekend" rides held in 72, 73, and 74 by the
    now defunct Diablo Wheelmen. In 75, Carter Squires organized the
    Diablo Wheelman's first multi-day cycling event, during which people
    would ride centuries (100 miles) day after day for 8 days. When
    asked how the tour went, Carter responded, "SuperTour was a
    failure--everyone finished." If the 75 tour was so easy everyone
    could finish, GrandTour/SuperTour 76 would be so hard that only a
    few had the gall to sign up for both rides. In this regard Carter
    was completely successful--each of the two weeks was 1,000 miles
    (140 miles/day for the Grand Tour, 127 miles/day for SuperTour) and
    only 5 of the 27 who had signed up for both tours were able to ride
    Every *Fine Inch (EFI). (*The "F" does not really stand for "Fine."😉

    The talk of a "death march" was spread by Kieth Vierra, Dave Perry,
    and another racer who had never tried the Sonora Pass - Monitor -
    Ebbetts tour before. That was before super tour.

    Quoted message said:

    One of the interesting features of the early SuperTours were the
    narrative route descriptions provided by John F. Scott, professor
    of Sociology at the University of California, Davis. John was an
    active cyclist beginning in the Dark Ages (before the 1960s) and had
    either ridden or driven essentially every mile of the route. John
    wrote the descriptions in sequence order, and despite becoming
    somewhat inured to the relentless suffering each day represented, he
    was stopped cold when he saw the route sheet for Day 5 of
    SuperTour--from Indian Grinding Rock State Park outside Jackson up
    CA Route 88 over the triple summits of Tragedy Springs, Carson Spur,
    and Carson Pass followed by an ascent of Monitor pass enroute to
    Markleeville. 140 miles, 14,000 feet of climbing. It was the
    absolutely worst day of an extraordinarily awful event. John
    immediately christened the stage "Der Grosse Totenmarsch nach
    Markleeville" (The Great Markleeville Death March) and scrawled the
    runes of the dreaded SS along with the motto on the gates of
    Auschwitz ("Arbeit macht frei," or "work makes one free"😉 on the
    gradient map.

    Among the rides over those roads was one that was done at that time by
    Bill Henner, Jim Westby, Tom Ritchey, and me which we called "the big
    loop" and one that I have taken on three occasions, one of which is
    chronicled here:

    http://www.bicyclinglife.com/Recreation/SierraSpring.htm

    Quoted message said:

    One of the riders on SuperTour 76 was Wayne Martin. A few years later
    Wayne had moved to Markleeville, and inspired by that day's ride,
    created a route that rode up 5 different passes (Kingsbury, Luther,
    Carson, Monitor, and Ebbetts). He gathered together about 15 other
    delirious souls, charged them $1 for organizing the affair, and
    proceeded to climb all 5 passes. Support was supplied by stopping off
    at the Cutthroat Saloon and replacing body fluids with dubiously
    helpful assorted liquids. As Wayne says: "Well, about half of us made
    the damn thing...and The Death Ride was born."

    That may be so but the concept arose from the tour that I described.

    Jobst Brandt

  9. Jobst,

    No one doubts that you called your heroic 1957 adventure a Death Ride.
    The question before us is, what inspired the current Markleeville Death
    Ride? The answer is easy to ascertain, since the participants are alive
    and well and all within range of a computer with email. Wayne Martin
    was 11 or 12 years old when you did your famous ride--I cannot imagine
    that an event that occured before he (probably) took up cycling
    inspired him to start the Death Ride--especially when you ask Wayne
    "What inspired you to start the Death Ride?" his answer is always "That
    awful day 5 on the 1976 SuperTour."

    As to the broader notion that you can "invent" the Death Ride concept,
    which gives you some sort of (I guess) trademark rights, I disagree as
    well. Cycling has been big since the mid 1880s, and there have been
    cyclists doing the absolutely impossible for over 120 years. Would not
    6 Day Racing in its original format (12 hours a day for 6 days) qualify
    as a Death Ride? Or the original Tour de France courses? Or
    Paris-Brest-Paris, for goodness sakes? "Death Ride" is a natural
    appellation for any tour of extraordinary difficulty; I cannot accept
    your "trademark" claim.

    Perry Stout

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    One of the riders on SuperTour 76 was Wayne Martin. A few years later
    Wayne had moved to Markleeville, and inspired by that day's ride,
    created a route that rode up 5 different passes (Kingsbury, Luther,
    Carson, Monitor, and Ebbetts). He gathered together about 15 other
    delirious souls, charged them $1 for organizing the affair, and
    proceeded to climb all 5 passes. Support was supplied by stopping off
    at the Cutthroat Saloon and replacing body fluids with dubiously
    helpful assorted liquids. As Wayne says: "Well, about half of us made
    the damn thing...and The Death Ride was born."

    That may be so but the concept arose from the tour that I described.

    Jobst Brandt

  10. Perry Stout said:

    No one doubts that you called your heroic 1957 adventure a Death Ride.

    I never called my ride a death ride. Don't put words in my text. I
    clearly stated that riders who crossed the Sierra over unplowed
    Ebbetts Pass with me returned to Palo Alto and told tales of a death
    march from that ride. to my dismay sponsors of organized rides soon
    touted their tour as a death ride. Talk of a "Death Ride" was rife in
    the years after our ride.

    Quoted message said:

    The question before us is, what inspired the current Markleeville
    Death Ride? The answer is easy to ascertain, since the participants
    are alive and well and all within range of a computer with email.
    Wayne Martin was 11 or 12 years old when you did your famous ride--I
    cannot imagine that an event that occured before he (probably) took
    up cycling inspired him to start the Death Ride--especially when you
    ask Wayne "What inspired you to start the Death Ride?" his answer is
    always "That awful day 5 on the 1976 SuperTour."

    You can call it what you want, but the term of "Death Ride" took
    shape immediately after our ride with the hike over unplowed Ebbetts
    Pass starting from Markleeville. This sounds much like the claims of
    who started the Mountain Bike. You might want to argue that one as
    well:

    http://www.sheldonbrown.com/brandt/mtb-history.html

    Quoted message said:

    As to the broader notion that you can "invent" the Death Ride concept,
    which gives you some sort of (I guess) trademark rights, I disagree as
    well.

    Whoa! What's with rights and trade mark? Get off it! I ride bike
    for the fun of it and not for any other reason. I don't care what
    people call their ride. My point is that the idea arose from a ride
    that I recall clearly and the riders comments afterward.

    Quoted message said:

    Cycling has been big since the mid 1880s, and there have been
    cyclists doing the absolutely impossible for over 120 years. Would
    not 6 Day Racing in its original format (12 hours a day for 6 days)
    qualify as a Death Ride? Or the original Tour de France courses?
    Or Paris-Brest-Paris, for goodness sakes? "Death Ride" is a natural
    appellation for any tour of extraordinary difficulty; I cannot
    accept your "trademark" claim.

    I think you have a peculiar perspective of bicycling.

    Jobst Brandt

  11. Quoted message said:
    Perry Stout said:

    No one doubts that you called your heroic 1957 adventure a Death Ride.

    I never called my ride a death ride. Don't put words in my text. I
    clearly stated that riders who crossed the Sierra over unplowed
    Ebbetts Pass with me returned to Palo Alto and told tales of a death
    march from that ride. to my dismay sponsors of organized rides soon
    touted their tour as a death ride. Talk of a "Death Ride" was rife in
    the years after our ride.

    Quoted message said:

    The question before us is, what inspired the current Markleeville
    Death Ride? The answer is easy to ascertain, since the participants
    are alive and well and all within range of a computer with email.
    Wayne Martin was 11 or 12 years old when you did your famous ride--I
    cannot imagine that an event that occured before he (probably) took
    up cycling inspired him to start the Death Ride--especially when you
    ask Wayne "What inspired you to start the Death Ride?" his answer is
    always "That awful day 5 on the 1976 SuperTour."

    You can call it what you want, but the term of "Death Ride" took
    shape immediately after our ride with the hike over unplowed Ebbetts
    Pass starting from Markleeville. This sounds much like the claims of
    who started the Mountain Bike. You might want to argue that one as
    well:

    http://www.sheldonbrown.com/brandt/mtb-history.html

    Quoted message said:

    As to the broader notion that you can "invent" the Death Ride concept,
    which gives you some sort of (I guess) trademark rights, I disagree as
    well.

    Whoa! What's with rights and trade mark? Get off it! I ride bike
    for the fun of it and not for any other reason. I don't care what
    people call their ride. My point is that the idea arose from a ride
    that I recall clearly and the riders comments afterward.

    Quoted message said:

    Cycling has been big since the mid 1880s, and there have been
    cyclists doing the absolutely impossible for over 120 years. Would
    not 6 Day Racing in its original format (12 hours a day for 6 days)
    qualify as a Death Ride? Or the original Tour de France courses?
    Or Paris-Brest-Paris, for goodness sakes? "Death Ride" is a natural
    appellation for any tour of extraordinary difficulty; I cannot
    accept your "trademark" claim.

    I think you have a peculiar perspective of bicycling.

    Jobst Brandt

    A comment here - I grew up in Oakland and NEVER saw a high quality bike
    nor a single person that I would think of as a "bicyclist" in the
    entire time I was growing up. We had three speeds and such and did
    rides in the Oakland hills which would have been more hike than ride.

    If there HAD been evidence of such recreational cycling anywhere I'd
    probably have started cycling seriously then. The fact is that I was
    essentially unaware of serious recreational cycling until the mid-80's.
    It only required a couple of years of exposure for me to have dropped
    all my other sports in favor of cycling.

  12. Ron Wallenfang said:


    Do you ever ride on flat roads?

    That's a silly thing to say to a man who climbs Kings Mountain Road in
    a 48-19 or so.

  13. "Tom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Ron Wallenfang said:


    Do you ever ride on flat roads?

    That's a silly thing to say to a man who climbs Kings Mountain Road in
    a 48-19 or so.

    You're right, of course. Whether or not Jobst inspired the "death ride", he
    is unquestionably the "patron" of this NG.

  14. Nice report, Jobst. You have me looking forward to our trip this
    coming weekend (our fourth annual Kiss of Death).

    I was wondering if you ever stay at the Meadowcliff, just outside of
    Coleville:

    http://www.meadowcliff.com/

    We usually stop in there for an early lunch on the way from
    Markleeville to Sonora Pass. Good food, speedy service. It looks
    like a nice spot to stay, as well.
    --
    terry morse - Undiscovered Country Tours - http://udctours.com

  15. Terry Morse said:

    Nice report, Jobst. You have me looking forward to our trip this
    coming weekend (our fourth annual Kiss of Death).

    I wish you cool tailwinds. The ride I took with your group brings
    good memories of Markleeville.

    Quoted message said:

    I was wondering if you ever stay at the Meadowcliff, just outside of
    Coleville:

    http://www.meadowcliff.com/

    Quoted message said:

    We usually stop in there for an early lunch on the way from
    Markleeville to Sonora Pass. Good food, speedy service. It looks
    like a nice spot to stay, as well.

    I've never tried it and usually think of Coleville as the local high
    school and marine base civilian residence enclave. Somehow Walker has
    all the restaurants, motels and general store that fills my bill. Not
    riding with a big group, I can stay at the comfortable Toiyabe motel
    that has only 11 units.

    Jobst Brandt

  16. Jobst Brandt said:
    Tery Morse said:

    I was wondering if you ever stay at the Meadowcliff, just outside of
    Coleville:

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.meadowcliff.com/

    I've never tried it and usually think of Coleville as the local high
    school and marine base civilian residence enclave.

    That's a good description of Coleville, not much else there. I know
    the high school for its big red water spigot at the road's edge,
    very handy for a fill up or to wash the salt off your head. The
    Meadowcliff serves a good breakfast, it reminds me a bit of Nicely's
    in Lee Vining.

    Quoted message said:

    Somehow Walker has all the restaurants, motels and general store
    that fills my bill.

    For sure, Walker has the first store of any kind after leaving
    Markleeville. A welcome sight.
    --
    terry morse - Undiscovered Country Tours - http://udctours.com

  17. Great ride report! Brought back lots of nice memories of
    rides on those Sierra roads. Thanks, Jobst!

    I have to call b#llsh*t on one teensy, trivial thing, though.

    jobst.brandt said:


    Spring Tour in the Sierra 05-06 June 2006

    We descended along the now docile Silver Creek to its confluence with
    the East Fork Carson River, that like all major rivers in Nevada,
    flows into the desert to evaporate.

    Off the top of my head, I can think of two major rivers that
    originate in Nevada and flow to the Pacific, via the Snake and
    Columbia River Gorge. One is the mighty Bruno, near Jarbidge,
    the other is the Owyhee. I imagine there may be others, as not
    all of Nevada lies within the "Great Basin," in which all
    the rivers do sink in.

    -Henry

  18. Henry Kingman said:

    Great ride report! Brought back lots of nice memories of rides on
    those Sierra roads. Thanks, Jobst!

    Quoted message said:

    I have to call b#llsh*t on one teensy, trivial thing, though.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Spring Tour in the Sierra 05-06 June 2006

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    We descended along the now docile Silver Creek to its confluence
    with the East Fork Carson River, that like all major rivers in
    Nevada, flows into the desert to evaporate.

    Quoted message said:

    Off the top of my head, I can think of two major rivers that
    originate in Nevada and flow to the Pacific, via the Snake and
    Columbia River Gorge. One is the mighty Bruno, near Jarbidge, the
    other is the Owyhee. I imagine there may be others, as not all of
    Nevada lies within the "Great Basin," in which all the rivers do
    sink in.

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    I guess you mean the Jarbridge river that flows into the Bruneau River
    which joins the Snake at J-Strike Reservoir. I should have said
    "most" major rivers. Typically the Carson, Walker, Truckee and the
    like.

    The Owyhee seems to take forever to get out of the state into Oregon and
    makes me wonder how much water is allowed to exit Lake Owyhee.

    http://tinyurl.com/glzqd
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    Jobst Brandt

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