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  1. For fun I am rebuilding a circa 1985 Peugeot road bike. It has
    single-pivot Dia-Compe side-pull brakes. When installed on the bicycle,
    the part of the front brake on which the cable pulls is on the left
    from the perspective of someone sitting on the bike. This is opposite
    to my other bicycles and requires a longer cable that changes
    directions if the front brake lever is on the left and the cables are
    routed beneath the handlebar tape. I've read most of the discussion on
    this group concerning mounting the front brake lever on the right and
    would consider this except that my other bikes are not this way and I
    think consistency is a good idea.

    Do most folks with these brakes have the front brake lever on the right
    or do they stay with convention? Any reason related to braking
    performance to do one or the other?

    Thanks.

    Joe LoBuglio

  2. Joe LoBuglio said:

    For fun I am rebuilding a circa 1985 Peugeot road bike. It has
    single-pivot Dia-Compe side-pull brakes. When installed on the bicycle,
    the part of the front brake on which the cable pulls is on the left
    from the perspective of someone sitting on the bike. This is opposite
    to my other bicycles and requires a longer cable that changes
    directions if the front brake lever is on the left and the cables are
    routed beneath the handlebar tape. I've read most of the discussion on
    this group concerning mounting the front brake lever on the right and
    would consider this except that my other bikes are not this way and I
    think consistency is a good idea.

    Do most folks with these brakes have the front brake lever on the right
    or do they stay with convention? Any reason related to braking
    performance to do one or the other?

    Either way works (front right is the convention in the UK anyway, and we
    use the same brakes as anyone else - although our front V brakes come
    with a 130 degree noodle to give a gentler curve).

  3. Quoth Joe LoBuglio:

    Quoted message said:

    For fun I am rebuilding a circa 1985 Peugeot road bike. It has
    single-pivot Dia-Compe side-pull brakes. When installed on the bicycle,
    the part of the front brake on which the cable pulls is on the left
    from the perspective of someone sitting on the bike. This is opposite
    to my other bicycles and requires a longer cable that changes
    directions if the front brake lever is on the left and the cables are
    routed beneath the handlebar tape. I've read most of the discussion on
    this group concerning mounting the front brake lever on the right and
    would consider this except that my other bikes are not this way and I
    think consistency is a good idea.

    It most certainly is. I once nearly crashed on a recently purchased
    used bike when I accidentally applied the rear brake, and was only
    barely able to stop in time to avoid cross traffic.

    Quoted message said:

    Do most folks with these brakes have the front brake lever on the right
    or do they stay with convention? Any reason related to braking
    performance to do one or the other?

    Generally, most folks run the front brake on the left in countries where
    they drive on the right, and on the right in countries where they drive
    on the left.*

    Japan and Great Britain drive on the left, so traditionally Japanese and
    British brake calipers used to be set up that way.

    The British don't make stuff anyore, and the Japanese have yielded to
    the demands of the world market, so most calipers in current production
    have the opposit "handedness" of your older Japanese ones.

    *Many of us consider this custom to be an error, and use the opposite
    setup. See: http://sheldonbrown.com/brakturn for a detailed discussion
    of this issue.

    Sheldon "Right Front" Brown
    +---------------------------------------------------+
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    | to all adults, you are promoting promiscuity. |
    +---------------------------------------------------+
    Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts
    Phone 617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041
    http://harriscyclery.com
    Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide
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  4. Hello,

    I've seen a lot of Italian racers e.g. Francesco Moser, Moreno Argentin,
    and Fausto Coppi who had the right front setup. The guy who set up my
    first race bike, a Torpado, set it up right front for this reason.

    The guy who set up the bike said was told this was safer if you had your
    hand off the bar to drink some water and you had to panic brake for some
    kind of emergency, you'd be less likely to take out other riders since
    you'd lock up the back brake. However I'd rather be able to grab the
    front brake, If I could only use one.

    At any rate this was pretty early in my serious cycling phase and I got
    used to it and couldn't change back easily (I tried after riding right
    front for six months or so). I do like having my dominant hand on the
    front brake since it's the one that does most of the stopping.
    Since my bike was set up "different" than most guys in the US, I noticed
    which riders had left front and which had right front. It was easier to
    tell in the days of non-aero levers. Riding bicycles right front helped
    me when I got interested in motorcycles about ten years after I started
    racing bicycles.

    By the way, Sean Kelly and Stephen Roche both had left front brakes.
    (Don't they drive on the left in Ireland?)

    I read in an interview that Davis Finney set up his bike as right front
    for some goofy reason, I can't remember for sure, but I think it was
    because the kid in "Breaking Away" had his Masi set up that way.

    -Eric

    Sheldon Brown said:

    Quoth Joe LoBuglio:

    Quoted message said:

    For fun I am rebuilding a circa 1985 Peugeot road bike. It has
    single-pivot Dia-Compe side-pull brakes. When installed on the bicycle,
    the part of the front brake on which the cable pulls is on the left
    from the perspective of someone sitting on the bike. This is opposite
    to my other bicycles and requires a longer cable that changes
    directions if the front brake lever is on the left and the cables are
    routed beneath the handlebar tape. I've read most of the discussion on
    this group concerning mounting the front brake lever on the right and
    would consider this except that my other bikes are not this way and I
    think consistency is a good idea.

    It most certainly is. I once nearly crashed on a recently purchased
    used bike when I accidentally applied the rear brake, and was only
    barely able to stop in time to avoid cross traffic.

    Quoted message said:

    Do most folks with these brakes have the front brake lever on the right
    or do they stay with convention? Any reason related to braking
    performance to do one or the other?

    Generally, most folks run the front brake on the left in countries where
    they drive on the right, and on the right in countries where they drive
    on the left.*

    Japan and Great Britain drive on the left, so traditionally Japanese and
    British brake calipers used to be set up that way.

    The British don't make stuff anyore, and the Japanese have yielded to
    the demands of the world market, so most calipers in current production
    have the opposit "handedness" of your older Japanese ones.

    *Many of us consider this custom to be an error, and use the opposite
    setup. See: http://sheldonbrown.com/brakturn for a detailed discussion
    of this issue.

    Sheldon "Right Front" Brown
    +---------------------------------------------------+
    | If you oppose making marriage legally available |
    | to all adults, you are promoting promiscuity. |
    +---------------------------------------------------+
    Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts
    Phone 617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041
    http://harriscyclery.com
    Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide
    http://captainbike.com http://sheldonbrown.com

  5. E Goforth said:

    By the way, Sean Kelly and Stephen Roche both had left front brakes.
    (Don't they drive on the left in Ireland?)

    Yeah but how much time did they spend in Ireland? ;-)

    ...............
    Regarding "cable pull side": Doesn't seem to matter on *large* frames
    (and high stems) when the cable curvature is gentle enough to deal with
    the cable coming from the "wrong" side. Campag brakes haven't been a
    problem for me here in the UK.

    For those who want the cable coming from the left, and deep drop as well,
    check out Alhonga dual-pivot calipers.

    ~PB

  6. On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:06:38 -0800, Joe LoBuglio wrote:

    I recall that the Weinmann 500 brakes I used at one time had the cable on
    that side; I was still able to use left-front brake lever. I think it is
    a bad idea to not have all your bikes have the front brake on the same
    side, whichever side you prefer. In a panic, you will not think through
    which bike you are riding, you will simply grab the lever. Don't grab the
    wrong one.

    Get a new cable sheath, and cable.

    --

    David L. Johnson

    __o | "It doesn't get any easier, you just go faster." --Greg LeMond
    _`\(,_ |
    (_)/ (_) |

  7. Joe LoBuglio said:

    For fun I am rebuilding a circa 1985 Peugeot road bike. It has
    single-pivot Dia-Compe side-pull brakes. When installed on the bicycle,
    the part of the front brake on which the cable pulls is on the left
    from the perspective of someone sitting on the bike. This is opposite
    to my other bicycles and requires a longer cable that changes
    directions if the front brake lever is on the left and the cables are
    routed beneath the handlebar tape. I've read most of the discussion on
    this group concerning mounting the front brake lever on the right and
    would consider this except that my other bikes are not this way and I
    think consistency is a good idea.

    Do most folks with these brakes have the front brake lever on the right
    or do they stay with convention? Any reason related to braking
    performance to do one or the other?

    Thanks.

    Joe LoBuglio

    You shpuld always use both brakes with the understanding that the front
    sstops you better than the rear, but use both. Right side to front
    often was used in the peloton because
    -left handed braking when getting a musette
    -left handed braking when shifting the rear der with your right hand

    and not going over tha handlebars. Also left-rear fr those that cross
    race as getting off the bike, you don't want to flip the bike over

    BUT, route the brakes like your other bicycles, with a wee b\it more
    housing and new inner wire.
    Having the housing going from the left to the left side of the caliper
    is no big deal.

  8. Joe LoBuglio said:

    For fun I am rebuilding a circa 1985 Peugeot road bike. It has
    single-pivot Dia-Compe side-pull brakes. When installed on the bicycle,
    the part of the front brake on which the cable pulls is on the left
    from the perspective of someone sitting on the bike. This is opposite
    to my other bicycles and requires a longer cable that changes
    directions if the front brake lever is on the left and the cables are
    routed beneath the handlebar tape. I've read most of the discussion on
    this group concerning mounting the front brake lever on the right and
    would consider this except that my other bikes are not this way and I
    think consistency is a good idea.

    Do most folks with these brakes have the front brake lever on the right
    or do they stay with convention? Any reason related to braking
    performance to do one or the other?

    Not only is there no functional difference, some makers
    (DIaCompe, Weinmann) switched sides across models. Set it up
    as you wish, there's no problem either way.

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    www.yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

  9. Sheldon Brown said:

    The British don't make stuff anyore


    Fighting talk ;-)

    Royce, Hope, Goldtec, Pace, Brooks plus any number of framebuilders
    would disagree (but OK, none of them make brakes).

  10. A Muzi said:
    Quoted message said:


    Do most folks with these brakes have the front brake lever on the right
    or do they stay with convention? Any reason related to braking
    performance to do one or the other?

    Not only is there no functional difference, some makers
    (DIaCompe, Weinmann) switched sides across models. Set it up
    as you wish, there's no problem either way.

    Yup. 'Way back when, we had Dia Compe "G" and Dia Compe "Gran Compe"
    brakesets in the display case. The G's had the arm on the right, the
    Gran Compes had the arm on the left. No huge difference, except that
    the Gran Compes had beefier arms. This was before the original Suntour
    Superbes: http://www.yellowjersey.org/sup_brk.html

    Jeff

  11. In article <43d3d234.0@entanet>, Zog The Undeniable (hrothgar19

    @yahoo.com) said:
    Sheldon Brown said:

    The British don't make stuff anyore


    Fighting talk ;-)

    Royce, Hope, Goldtec, Pace, Brooks plus any number of framebuilders
    would disagree (but OK, none of them make brakes).

    Hope do...

    Just not ones which are operated by pulling a piece of string.

    --
    Dave Larrington - <http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/>
    The onward interchange factor will be unity except for journeys to
    Chesham, Croxley or Watford.

  12. Dave Larrington said:

    Hope do...

    Just not ones which are operated by pulling a piece of string.


    Ah yes - I'd forgotten about those, not being much of an MTBer.

  13. In article <43d68843.0@entanet>, Zog The Undeniable (hrothgar19

    @yahoo.com) said:
    Dave Larrington said:

    Hope do...

    Just not ones which are operated by pulling a piece of string.


    Ah yes - I'd forgotten about those, not being much of an MTBer.

    I'm not much of an MTBer either and I've got three Hope-equipped
    machines :-)

    My mountain bike has Maguras...

    --
    Dave Larrington - <http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/>
    Like Kant, it is my wish to create my own individual epistemology. But I
    also wish to find out what is for pudding.

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