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  1. This one, from The Age letters, made me sick. Is it legal for The Age to publish a letter inciting violence?

    Physics holds key

    Having spent 30 odd years driving in Melbourne traffic, before escaping to the bucolic delights of southern NSW, I was surprised to discover that Melbourne still has a problem with latte-drinking, Lycra-clad, God-I-own-a-bike, therefore I own the road, cyclists.

    I can't understand the problem. Say, on average 90 kilograms of cyclist versus 2000 kilograms of car? No problem! Just leave it to the law of physics and it will sort itself!
    Frank Smith, Oaklands, NSW

  2. sinus said:

    This one, from The Age letters, made me sick. Is it legal for The Age to publish a letter inciting violence?

    Physics holds key

    Having spent 30 odd years driving in Melbourne traffic, before escaping to the bucolic delights of southern NSW, I was surprised to discover that Melbourne still has a problem with latte-drinking, Lycra-clad, God-I-own-a-bike, therefore I own the road, cyclists.

    I can't understand the problem. Say, on average 90 kilograms of cyclist versus 2000 kilograms of car? No problem! Just leave it to the law of physics and it will sort itself!
    Frank Smith, Oaklands, NSW

    Thread on CM-Melb, plus added details
    finance.groups.yahoo.com5974

  3. sinus said:

    This one, from The Age letters, made me sick. Is it legal for The Age to
    publish a letter inciting violence?

    PHYSICS HOLDS KEY

    Having spent 30 odd years driving in Melbourne traffic, before escaping
    to the bucolic delights of southern NSW, I was surprised to discover
    that Melbourne still has a problem with latte-drinking, Lycra-clad,
    God-I-own-a-bike, therefore I own the road, cyclists.

    I can't understand the problem. Say, on average 90 kilograms of cyclist
    versus 2000 kilograms of car? No problem! Just leave it to the law of
    physics and it will sort itself!
    *Frank Smith, Oaklands, NSW*

    There's some interesting physics here for dealing with the likes of Mr
    Smith
    http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2000/ShantayArmstrong.shtml
    --
    Peter McCallum
    Mackay Qld AUSTRALIA

  4. sinus said:


    This one, from The Age letters, made me sick. Is it legal for The Age to
    publish a letter inciting violence?

    PHYSICS HOLDS KEY

    Having spent 30 odd years driving in Melbourne traffic, before escaping
    to the bucolic delights of southern NSW, I was surprised to discover
    that Melbourne still has a problem with latte-drinking, Lycra-clad,
    God-I-own-a-bike, therefore I own the road, cyclists.

    I can't understand the problem. Say, on average 90 kilograms of cyclist
    versus 2000 kilograms of car? No problem! Just leave it to the law of
    physics and it will sort itself!
    *Frank Smith, Oaklands, NSW*

    --
    sinus

    I vaguely remember being taught that the definition of assault is not
    just someone attacking you but rather someone acting in a way that makes
    you feel threatened, certain they will attack you... or something like
    that... anyone know offhand?

    Just thinking that if someone threatens you with their heavy car, and
    it's enough to get your adrenaline going (fight/flight reaction),
    haven't you just been assaulted?

    As an aside... I am worried... Frank Smith gave me a hint on where to
    find him...

    Tam-the-hunter

  5. Seems that there are some things you can say & others which are just not acceptable.

    Now if he would have directed these comments to an ethinicity group, then well, that's a no no.

  6. sinus said:


    This one, from The Age letters, made me sick. Is it legal for The Age to
    publish a letter inciting violence?

    And what is even more disgusting is that they gave a forum to this loon
    just weeks after the incident in Germany!

    --
    ..dt
    1996 Diamond Back 'Expert Tg' Roadie (7spd DT shifters, favourite bike!)
    2004 Trek 2300 Roadie (9spd Ultegra)
    2003 DiamondBack 'Criterium' Roadie (8spd Sora, rain bike)

  7. quote='dtmeister'sinus said:


    This one, from The Age letters, made me sick. Is it legal for The Age to
    publish a letter inciting violence?

    And what is even more disgusting is that they gave a forum to this loon
    just weeks after the incident in Germany!
    [/QUOTE]

    Ok, from "Corporate Information"

    What is The Age’s code of conduct?
    The Age code of conduct is an important statement about how we behave in our professional lives and about how we relate to newsmakers, sources, contacts, colleagues and the public. If you would like to receive a copy of The Age code of conduct please call the communications department on (03) 9601 3144.

    Or read the Code of Conduct online:
    theage.com.auethicsconduct.html

    Where do I go if I have a complaint or comment to make about The Age?
    Please call (03) 9604 1138. Comments received from readers are reported to editors and senior management. Readers can also contact the department via e-mail: [email hidden]

  8. cfsmtb said:

    Ok, from "Corporate Information"

    What is The Age’s code of conduct?
    The Age code of conduct is an important statement about how we behave in our professional lives and about how we relate to newsmakers, sources, contacts, colleagues and the public. If you would like to receive a copy of The Age code of conduct please call the communications department on (03) 9601 3144.

    Or read the Code of Conduct online:
    theage.com.auethicsconduct.html

    Where do I go if I have a complaint or comment to make about The Age?
    Please call (03) 9604 1138. Comments received from readers are reported to editors and senior management. Readers can also contact the department via e-mail: [email hidden]

    we are now in a new age of Incitement to Commit a Felony...daily perpetrated by the media...Channel 7 and now the Age in this last week have slunk to their lowest ebb in a while...but I'm sure it could go lower.....

    today I spoke personally with the victim of the Beach Road assault , she was riding along with friends and her attacker a 40 year old male stepped from the kerb shouting "bloody cyclists" grabbed her and pushed her from her bike onto the roadway, she fell on her head into the path of other traffic ( which missed her) and the rider behind catapaulted over her...they both survived luckily, went to hospital and have very nasty injuries...

    an hour later the attacker was caught by Police and has been charged on two counts, including endangering human life.

    Would this have occurred if our media had been more responsible in recent days...?

    who knows...but it is a real concern...we should all be concerned, for ourselves, our children our families...maybe its time for a mass protest of all riders from all persuasions to gather and demand a fair go on the roads, in the media and for our riding safety.

    We are taxpayers, we are citizens, we are Australians....we have the right to ride , we have the right to be respected as human beings, as living creatures and as lawful traffic, not as victims of abuse and arrogance by the media, and those it incites....

    * end of rant*

  9. Would it be real bad form to pick a day where all cyclists (on that day) would wear a black arm band as a silent protest to what all this antagonism on the roads involving cyclists will lead to?

  10. rooman said:

    we are now in a new age of Incitement to Commit a Felony...daily perpetrated by the media...Channel 7 and now the Age in this last week have slunk to their lowest ebb in a while...but I'm sure it could go lower.....

    today I spoke personally with the victim of the Beach Road assault , she was riding along with friends and her attacker a 40 year old male stepped from the kerb shouting "bloody cyclists" grabbed her and pushed her from her bike onto the roadway, she fell on her head into the path of other traffic ( which missed her) and the rider behind catapaulted over her...they both survived luckily, went to hospital and have very nasty injuries...

    an hour later the attacker was caught by Police and has been charged on two counts, including endangering human life.

    Would this have occurred if our media had been more responsible in recent days...?

    who knows...but it is a real concern...we should all be concerned, for ourselves, our children our families...maybe its time for a mass protest of all riders from all persuasions to gather and demand a fair go on the roads, in the media and for our riding safety.

    We are taxpayers, we are citizens, we are Australians....we have the right to ride , we have the right to be respected as human beings, as living creatures and as lawful traffic, not as victims of abuse and arrogance by the media, and those it incites....

    * end of rant*

    Well said rooman. what do others think? this needs doing.

    Getting that poor lass (is she OK? BTW) and the hopefully recovering 2 guys who were hit-run to speak/be there might be good?

    obviously it would have to include nothing that could be photographed by the parasitic/opportunistic elements of the press

    If there are 10,000 riders on Beach Rd between 6-10am on a weekend i thinkit would have potential to be rather large.
    riding up to CBD/parliament/perhaps?

  11. rooman said:

    we are now in a new age of Incitement to Commit a Felony...daily perpetrated by the media...Channel 7 and now the Age in this last week have slunk to their lowest ebb in a while...but I'm sure it could go lower.....

    today I spoke personally with the victim of the Beach Road assault , she was riding along with friends and her attacker a 40 year old male stepped from the kerb shouting "bloody cyclists" grabbed her and pushed her from her bike onto the roadway, she fell on her head into the path of other traffic ( which missed her) and the rider behind catapaulted over her...they both survived luckily, went to hospital and have very nasty injuries...

    an hour later the attacker was caught by Police and has been charged on two counts, including endangering human life.

    Would this have occurred if our media had been more responsible in recent days...?

    who knows...but it is a real concern...we should all be concerned, for ourselves, our children our families...maybe its time for a mass protest of all riders from all persuasions to gather and demand a fair go on the roads, in the media and for our riding safety.

    We are taxpayers, we are citizens, we are Australians....we have the right to ride , we have the right to be respected as human beings, as living creatures and as lawful traffic, not as victims of abuse and arrogance by the media, and those it incites....

    * end of rant*


    I actually dont understand all this going on now, how far away is the commonwealth games ??? What happens when we have international athletes rocking up and doing training rides a month or something before the races ???

    I can just see the headlines now....
    "<Insert Country> cyclist attacked by pedestrian while on training ride."

    "Four wheel drive vehicle runs down entire cycling team from <insert country>, because driver says 'They were holding me up while I was talking on my mobile phone to my accountant as I had some inside information and then I had to get down to St Kilda to get a pick me up. Whats the problem I thought we were allowed to run them down because they are causing mayhem on our streets and they were riding in a group so they were easier to hit, thats what I saw on the news anyway.' Amy who ?? never heard of her. No im ok, Ive only 2 beers anyway im a lawyer and I have friends in the force, that will be alright wont it ??"

    a large protest on bikes getting exposure which does not make things worst by stopping peak hour traffic, that would be a great idea, outside the Channel 7, Age, Herald sun buildings, surely there be cyclists who work with these media companies!!????

    anyway I'll be out again tomorrow morning, stopping at red lights, holding my line, hoping to spread some good cheer, *fingers crossed*

  12. flyingdutch said:

    Well said rooman. what do others think? this needs doing.

    Getting that poor lass (is she OK? BTW) and the hopefully recovering 2 guys who were hit-run to speak/be there might be good?

    obviously it would have to include nothing that could be photographed by the parasitic/opportunistic elements of the press

    If there are 10,000 riders on Beach Rd between 6-10am on a weekend i thinkit would have potential to be rather large.
    riding up to CBD/parliament/perhaps?

    she is walking, cant use her right arm, has a huge bloody ball for a right cheek and swollen right eye like a cricket ball ( test match red), large scrapes across her right temple and down the right side of her face....the helmet has huge gauge on the right side, and will be added to the list of damages claimed......noice eh?

    don't know about the hit run guys...yuck...arrogant [censored], needs a wheel spanner placed securely in some orifice...

    this has to be organised..it needs a steering committee , jobs appointed and plans to be made....groups to be contacted and people called to speak.....

    Cry is out..... rallying all promo dudes....BUGs, BRs, Shops, Schools, BV, CA, Vets Council, CSV, BFA, maybe initial steering structure meet at the House of Goat perhaps?

    anyone...anyone....Ferris ?

  13. Marx SS said:

    Would it be real bad form to pick a day where all cyclists (on that day) would wear a black arm band as a silent protest to what all this antagonism on the roads involving cyclists will lead to?

    Ever since McGee's debacle sentencing and the Wheels if Justice rides, I've worn a Black Armband, and will continue to do so till sanity prevails...looks like it will be on my jersey for ever!

  14. rooman said:

    this has to be organised..it needs a steering committee , jobs appointed and plans to be made....groups to be contacted and people called to speak.....

    Cry is out..... rallying all promo dudes....BUGs, BRs, Shops, Schools, BV, CA, Vets Council, CSV, BFA, maybe initial steering structure meet at the House of Goat perhaps?

    anyone...anyone....Ferris ?

    keep goin dude.
    new thread.
    dedicated blog.
    sod the committee.
    CFSMTB. youre the lass with the experience. advice?

    FD

  15. Keen as all to get something happening as I've been shocked and appalled by the level this has sunk to.

    but...

    media has a classic ability to turn any positive initiative of this nature into a beat-up and continue the antagonism, and a protest ride (as great as that concept is and I'll be there!) runs that risk.

    What I hear most of us saying is that what we're really after is culture-change - For both motorists and cyclists (including those eeeeevil red-light running types :-) ) to understand that cyclists (and all road users for that matter) have a right to the road and to be treated with respect, and to behave accordingly. And secondly (if I may dare), that cycling as a more sustainable form of transportation (and as the more vulnerable group) deserves a bit of extra support and acknowledgement, especially in an increasingly car-centric society in an age of increasing petrol prices, obesity, congestion, etc. etc. etc.

    Now if we can figure out some form of activity that would encourage that, I'm all for it. A protest could do that if well constructed, but also runs the risk of furthering the 'bloody cyclist rabble' image which media will give it. A big group of cyclists, while powerful, also runs the risk of being seen as akin to the hell ride mob or CM.

    Is there a positive way of getting this message about culture change out there? A cheeky way? We're a cheeky bunch, aren't we?!? Is it something as simple as well-distributed backpack/pannier stickers that say something about respect and sharing the road, while being a bit fun too? 'One less car' has got a bit dull I reckon? I really don't know...

    Could we ask the Age to consider a lifestyle section piece on cycling in the midst of all this - Something that tells cyclists how to ride on the road safely as well as informing drivers of our rights to be on the road? Do we get a bunch of cyclists onto Denton or some such?

    Or do we just sit tight and let the media move on to dole-bludgers and single mothers again?

    Anyway, I'm interested... Keen to pursue...

    Eddie(in my other life I'm a social worker)c

  16. sinus said:

    This one, from The Age letters, made me sick. Is it legal for The Age to publish a letter inciting violence?

    Physics holds key

    Having spent 30 odd years driving in Melbourne traffic, before escaping to the bucolic delights of southern NSW, I was surprised to discover that Melbourne still has a problem with latte-drinking, Lycra-clad, God-I-own-a-bike, therefore I own the road, cyclists.

    I can't understand the problem. Say, on average 90 kilograms of cyclist versus 2000 kilograms of car? No problem! Just leave it to the law of physics and it will sort itself!
    Frank Smith, Oaklands, NSW

    I couldn't agree more. I'll try to remember that when Frank is a pedestrian and I'm driving my car. This kind of talk is totally outrageous and deserves nothing but contempt and derision from the community.

    Idiot.

    Regards,
    Ritch

  17. "cfsmtb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    dtmeister said:
    sinus said:


    This one, from The Age letters, made me sick. Is it legal for The Age


    to

    Quoted message said:

    publish a letter inciting violence?

    And what is even more disgusting is that they gave a forum to this
    loon
    just weeks after the incident in Germany!

    Ok, from '\"Corporate Information\"'
    (http://www.about.theage.com.au/list_faq.asp)

    WHAT IS THE AGE'S CODE OF CONDUCT?
    The Age code of conduct is an important statement about how we behave
    in our professional lives and about how we relate to newsmakers,
    sources, contacts, colleagues and the public. If you would like to
    receive a copy of The Age code of conduct please call the
    communications department on (03) 9601 3144.

    Or read the Code of Conduct online:
    http://www.theage.com.au/ethicsconduct.html

    WHERE DO I GO IF I HAVE A COMPLAINT OR COMMENT TO MAKE ABOUT THE AGE?
    Please call (03) 9604 1138. Comments received from readers are reported
    to editors and senior management. Readers can also contact the
    department via e-mail: [email hidden]

    --
    cfsmtb

    How about this letter:
    Cyclists a danger

    Tim Connors poses the disingenuous argument, (The Age, 31/7): "When was the
    last time an out-of-control bike crashed into a bunch of cars, killing the
    driver of one and injuring five other drivers?"

    I can give you a more realistic (and much more likely) scenario: A cyclist
    runs a red light. A motorist travelling with the green light brakes to avoid
    the cyclist, loses control of his vehicle and runs down six pedestrians,
    killing one.

    Whose fault is that?"

    If the guy wants to argue, then the driver as 'he lost contreol of his
    vehicle".

    Seruously, we should not run red lights as it gives us a bad name. However,
    I was asking a friend of mine why they did not drive through red lights when
    then NEVER stop at stop signs. They said the light was red. I said it 's
    the same thing as a stop sign. They could not fathom my logic.

    P

  18. rooman said:


    don't know about the hit run guys...yuck...arrogant [censored], needs a
    wheel spanner placed securely in some orifice...

    nonononono...not a wheel spanner, a wheel *brace*, you know the cross
    shaped ones...

    --
    Brett"Ouch!"S

  19. rooman said:

    an hour later the attacker was caught by Police and has been charged on
    two counts, including endangering human life.

    Good. He's probably some nutter, and will hopefully do a little
    time inside. There's a lot of dangerous nutters out there ...

  20. Tamyka Bell said:
    sinus said:

    This one, from The Age letters, made me sick. Is it legal for The Age to
    publish a letter inciting violence?

    PHYSICS HOLDS KEY

    Having spent 30 odd years driving in Melbourne traffic, before escaping
    to the bucolic delights of southern NSW, I was surprised to discover
    that Melbourne still has a problem with latte-drinking, Lycra-clad,
    God-I-own-a-bike, therefore I own the road, cyclists.

    I can't understand the problem. Say, on average 90 kilograms of cyclist
    versus 2000 kilograms of car? No problem! Just leave it to the law of
    physics and it will sort itself!
    *Frank Smith, Oaklands, NSW*

    --
    sinus

    I vaguely remember being taught that the definition of assault is not
    just someone attacking you but rather someone acting in a way that makes
    you feel threatened, certain they will attack you... or something like
    that... anyone know offhand?

    Just thinking that if someone threatens you with their heavy car, and
    it's enough to get your adrenaline going (fight/flight reaction),
    haven't you just been assaulted?

    Yep
    I dont know if anyone has tried it in relation ot motor vehicle /cycle
    instance but if I remember my legal studies.. it absolutely is assault.

    The problem would be getting the cops to make the charge and prosecute it.

    Quoted message said:


    As an aside... I am worried... Frank Smith gave me a hint on where to
    find him...

    Tam-the-hunter

    Thousands of people just go missing every year you know 🙂

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