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  1. SHOULD YOU GET THE FLU SHOT?
    By Dr Sherri Tenpenny
    www.nmaseminars.com

    News reports have been flooding us with articles warning that the impending
    flu season may be the worst in years. Even though it is difficult to
    separate the facts from the hype, a close evaluation of the flu vaccine
    will reveal that serious questions must be raised about the recommendations
    that are routinely touted, namely high efficacy with little risk. Anyone
    considering a flu shot should become informed about the substances coming
    through that needle, and should be determined to investigate the safety and
    efficacy issues that are still unresolved.

    The vaccine virus
    Each year, a new vaccine is developed that contains three different viruses
    (one influenza B and two influenza A strains). CDC officials select the new
    viruses based on which viruses were prevalent during the flu season in
    China and Australia the previous year. The CDC admits that the viruses
    selected for the new vaccine are chosen on the basis of an "educated
    guess." [i]

    What's in a flu shot?
    The influenza virus is grown in "specific pathogen-free" (SPF) eggs. Eggs
    are tested for a variety of agents-usually between 23 and 31-to confirm the
    absence of those specific pathogens. Laboratories limit the number of
    agents that are screened due to the shear abundance of potential viruses
    and/or bacteria to choose from. In addition, screening for every potential
    agent would be cost prohibitive.[ii] If none of the tested agents are
    detected, the vaccine is reported as "pathogen free."

    However, it should be understood that there is a distinct difference
    between "pathogen free" and "specific pathogen-free." In its July 1996
    report, the Institute of Medicine acknowledged that "although it is not
    possible to produce a completely uncontaminated animal, it is possible to
    produce an animal [or egg] certified to be free of specific
    pathogens."[iii] Viruses that are harmless to their animal host, however,
    may be potentially harmful to humans.

    During the manufacturing process, antibiotics (neomycin, polymyxin B and
    gentamicin) are added to eliminate stray bacteria found in the mixture. The
    final solution can contain the following additives in any combination:
    Triton X-100 (a detergent); polysorbate 80 (a potential carcinogen);
    gelatin; formaldehyde; and residual egg proteins. In addition, many of the
    influenza vaccines still contain thimerosal as a preservative. Thimerosal
    (mercury) is being investigated for its link to brain injury and autoimmune
    disease.

    Does the flu shot protect?
    There are no guarantees that the influenza viruses selected for the vaccine
    will be the identical strains circulating during a given flu season. In
    fact, it has recently been announced that this year's flu vaccine does not
    include the strain that is being reported by doctors in the community
    called the "A Fujian" strain. Outbreaks have been reported in Texas,
    Colorado and elsewhere[iv] that involve strains that do not match the
    current flu vaccine. CDC tests have confirmed that more than 80 per cent of
    the 55 strains of influenza virus isolated thus far are the A Fujian
    strain. Even so, the CDC still maintains that the current vaccine could
    provide cross-protection against the new variant, but the fact is, no one
    knows for sure.

    Moreover, the majority of illnesses characterized by fever, fatigue, cough
    and aching muscles are not caused by the influenza virus. Non-influenza
    viruses (e.g., rhinoviruses respiratory syncytial virus [RSV],
    adenoviruses, and parainfluenza viruses) can cause symptoms referred to
    influenza-like illnesses (ILI). Certain bacteria, such as Legionella spp.,
    Chlamydia pneumoniae, Mycoplasma pneumoniae, and Streptococcus pneumoniae,
    have been documented as the causes of ILI.[v]

    Notably, these microbes are not part of the flu vaccine. Unless an
    organism's antigen is contained within the vaccine, there is no protection
    conferred by the vaccine. It is estimated that most adults will average 1-3
    episodes of ILI, and most children will average 3-6 episodes. The CDC also
    admits that "many persons who have been vaccinated against influenza can
    still get the flu"[vi]

    Targeting the elderly
    The flu vaccine is generally recommended for persons aged 65 and older, and
    those with medical conditions who could experience serious complications
    from the flu. Medical journals report broad differences in effectiveness
    for the elderly, ranging from 0 to 85%.
    The CDC states that 90% of deaths from influenza occur among the elderly.
    Considering that nearly 65% of all deaths (from any cause) occur in this
    age group, it is nearly impossible to prove that flu shots significantly
    increase life expectancy in this group. The truth is that most people-young
    and old-will weather a bout of the flu without hospitalization or
    complications.

    A serious concern: Alzheimer's Disesase
    Hugh Fudenberg, MD, an immunogeneticist and biologist with nearly 850
    papers published in peer review journals, has reported that if an
    individual had five consecutive flu shots between 1970 and 1980 (the years
    studied), his/her chances of getting Alzheimer's Disease is ten times
    higher than if they had zero, one, or two shots.[vii]

    Dr. Boyd Haley, Professor and Chair of the Department of Chemistry at the
    University of Kentucky, Lexington has done extensive research in the area
    of mercury toxicity and the brain. Haley's research has established a
    likely connection between mercury toxicity and Alzheimer's disease. [viii]
    In a paper published in collaboration with researchers at University of
    Calgary, Haley stated that "seven of the characteristic markers that we
    look for to distinguish Alzheimer's disease can be produced in normal brain
    tissues, or cultures of neurons, by the addition of extremely low levels of
    mercury."[ix]

    Does this prove that the mercury contained in the influenza shot can be
    directly linked to Alzheimer's? No, absolutely not. But further research in
    this area is critically needed because the absence of proof is not the
    "proof of absence."[x]

    Flu vaccine now for children
    The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) adopted a
    resolution effective March 1, 2003 that expanded the use of the influenza
    vaccine to include children aged 6-23 months. The recommendations also
    included vaccinating those aged 2 to 18 years who live in households
    containing children younger than 2 years of age.[xi]

    The flu vaccine most commonly given to children is Fluzone>, a trivalent
    vaccine grown in chicken eggs. Harvested with formaldehyde and containing
    the recommended ratio of 15 ug of each of the three prototype viral
    strains, each dose of Fluzone> also contains 25 ug of mercury.[xii] The new
    CDC recommendations include giving the influenza vaccine to children
    beginning at six months of age and then annually, for the rest of their
    lives. Children less than age 9 receiving their first flu shot, two doses
    of vaccine are recommended, with a minimum interval of one month between
    the two doses. However, the CDC does not provide a direct reference to
    substantiate this recommendation.[xiii]

    On June 17, 2003, the FDA approved an intranasal influenza vaccine for use
    in healthy persons aged 5-49 years. Flumist> is a live-virus vaccine that
    can cause a litany of problems. (for further information on FluMist)

    Alternatives?
    If you choose not to receive the flu shot, have a discussion with your
    doctor regarding other options. However, some simple and possibly quite
    effective things you can do for yourself to prevent the flu include: 1)
    avoid white sugar;[xiv] 2) exercise regularly; 3) get adequate sleep; 4)
    eat a healthy diet, omitting trans-fats; 5) drink plenty of purified water
    daily and 6) wash your hands. A common way people contract viral illnesses
    is by rubbing their nose or their eyes after their hands have been
    contaminated with a virus. The CDC states, "the most important thing you
    can do to keep from getting sick is to wash your hands."[xv]

    We are so used to taking medications-for prevention and treatment-that it
    is difficult to comprehend that these modest recommendations are really the
    most powerful ways to minimize the likelihood of getting the flu.

    Making the decision
    You may decide to consult a physician who is schooled in alternative
    medicine to assess a variety of options for you and your family. What is
    most important, in the end, is to become as informed as possible regarding
    your options for keeping healthy and avoiding the flu.

    REFERENCES
    [i] Sabin, Russel and Reynolds. Breakdowns Mar Flu Shot Program Production,
    distribution delays raise fears of nation vulnerable to epidemic. San
    Francisco Chronicle. Feb. 25, 2001
    [ii] Charles River Laboratories, A Laboratory Animal Health Monitoring
    Program: Rationale and Development,' (Winter 1990); Source: Internet address
    [iii] Institute of Medicine Press Release: Federal Guidelines Needed to
    Ensure Safety in Animal-to-Human Organ Transplants. July 17, 1996.
    [iv]CBS: The Associated Press. CDC Says Flu Season Is Going Strong in Parts
    of U.S., Vaccine Doesn't Match Strain Doctors See.
    [v] MMWR. November 9, 2001 / 50(44);984-6
    [vi] MMWR Nov. 9, 2001/50(44); 984-6
    [vii] Hugh Fudenberg, MD, is Founder and Director of Research, Neurolmmuno
    Therapeutic Research Foundation. Information from Dr. Hugh Fudenberg came
    from transcribed notes of Dr. Fudenberg's speech at the NVIC International
    Vaccine Conference, Arlington, VA September, 1997. Quoted with permission.
    [viii] The Relationship of Toxic Effects of Mercury to Exacerbation of the
    Medical Condition Classified as Alzheimer's Disease by Boyd E. Haley, PhD.
    [ix] NeuroReport, 12(4):733-737, 2001
    [x] http://www.testfoundation.org/
    [xi] MMWR. 2002;51[RR-3]:1-31
    [xii] Package insert. Influenza Virus VaccineFluzone® 2003 - 2004 Formula
    [xiii] MMWR. 2002: 51 [RR-3], pg. 19
    [xiv] All forms of refined sugar depress white blood cells' ability to
    destroy bacteria. See Sanchez A, et al. Role of sugars in human
    neutrophilic phagocytosis. Am J Clin Nutr 1973;26:1180.
    [xv]CDC-Handwashing: An ounce of prevention keeps the germs away.

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    Vaccination Liberation - Idaho Chapter
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    Spirit Lake, ID 83869
    (208)255-2307/ 888-249-1421
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  2. "john" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    SHOULD YOU GET THE FLU SHOT?
    By Dr Sherri Tenpenny
    www.nmaseminars.com

    News reports have been flooding us with articles warning that the


    impending

    Quoted message said:

    flu season may be the worst in years. Even though it is difficult to
    separate the facts from the hype, a close evaluation of the flu vaccine
    will reveal that serious questions must be raised about the


    recommendations

    Quoted message said:

    that are routinely touted, namely high efficacy with little risk. Anyone
    considering a flu shot should become informed about the substances coming
    through that needle, and should be determined to investigate the safety


    and

    Quoted message said:

    efficacy issues that are still unresolved.

    Unresolved? Influenza immunization has been done for more than long enough
    to resolve the safety and efficacy issues. The risks are well researched and
    published, and the efficacy has been proven.

    Quoted message said:


    The vaccine virus
    Each year, a new vaccine is developed that contains three different


    viruses

    Quoted message said:

    (one influenza B and two influenza A strains). CDC officials select the


    new
    [quote="Quoted message"]viruses based on which viruses were prevalent during the flu season in
    China and Australia the previous year. The CDC admits that the viruses
    selected for the new vaccine are chosen on the basis of an "educated
    guess." [i][/quote]

    Indeed a very educated guess that has proven substantially correct year
    after year. Just because a flu shot cannot immunize you against ALL flu is
    not a reason to refuse a vaccine that will protect you from the strains that
    are known to be circulating.


    Quoted message said:


    What's in a flu shot?
    The influenza virus is grown in "specific pathogen-free" (SPF) eggs. Eggs
    are tested for a variety of agents-usually between 23 and 31-to confirm


    the
    Quoted message said:

    absence of those specific pathogens. Laboratories limit the number of
    agents that are screened due to the shear abundance of potential viruses
    and/or bacteria to choose from. In addition, screening for every potential
    agent would be cost prohibitive.[ii] If none of the tested agents are
    detected, the vaccine is reported as "pathogen free."

    However, it should be understood that there is a distinct difference
    between "pathogen free" and "specific pathogen-free." In its July 1996
    report, the Institute of Medicine acknowledged that "although it is not
    possible to produce a completely uncontaminated animal, it is possible to
    produce an animal [or egg] certified to be free of specific
    pathogens."[iii] Viruses that are harmless to their animal host, however,
    may be potentially harmful to humans.



    There is no evidence that humans have ever contracted pathogens from flu
    vaccines.


    Quoted message said:


    During the manufacturing process, antibiotics (neomycin, polymyxin B and
    gentamicin) are added to eliminate stray bacteria found in the mixture.


    The
    Quoted message said:

    final solution can contain the following additives in any combination:
    Triton X-100 (a detergent); polysorbate 80 (a potential carcinogen);
    gelatin; formaldehyde; and residual egg proteins. In addition, many of the
    influenza vaccines still contain thimerosal as a preservative. Thimerosal
    (mercury) is being investigated for its link to brain injury and


    autoimmune
    Quoted message said:

    disease.



    People who have severe allergies to the included antibiotics should not get
    a flu shot. The other mentioned substances are present in miniscule amounts,
    and have never been shown to cause problems.

    Quoted message said:


    Does the flu shot protect?
    There are no guarantees that the influenza viruses selected for the


    vaccine
    Quoted message said:

    will be the identical strains circulating during a given flu season. In
    fact, it has recently been announced that this year's flu vaccine does not
    include the strain that is being reported by doctors in the community
    called the "A Fujian" strain. Outbreaks have been reported in Texas,
    Colorado and elsewhere[iv] that involve strains that do not match the
    current flu vaccine. CDC tests have confirmed that more than 80 per cent


    of
    Quoted message said:

    the 55 strains of influenza virus isolated thus far are the A Fujian
    strain. Even so, the CDC still maintains that the current vaccine could
    provide cross-protection against the new variant, but the fact is, no one
    knows for sure.



    There are no guarantees for much of any preventive strategies. A daily
    exercise regimen and a good diet do not guarantee that you will not drop
    dead of a heart attack, but that does not mean that they are not worthwhile.

    It was not possible to obtain cultivars for the Fujian strain of flu in time
    for inclusion in this year's vaccine, which is unfortunate. This is not,
    however, the fault of the CDC. And if there is cross-protection, that is a
    plus.


    Quoted message said:


    Moreover, the majority of illnesses characterized by fever, fatigue, cough
    and aching muscles are not caused by the influenza virus. Non-influenza
    viruses (e.g., rhinoviruses respiratory syncytial virus [RSV],
    adenoviruses, and parainfluenza viruses) can cause symptoms referred to
    influenza-like illnesses (ILI). Certain bacteria, such as Legionella spp.,
    Chlamydia pneumoniae, Mycoplasma pneumoniae, and Streptococcus pneumoniae,
    have been documented as the causes of ILI.[v]

    Notably, these microbes are not part of the flu vaccine. Unless an
    organism's antigen is contained within the vaccine, there is no protection
    conferred by the vaccine. It is estimated that most adults will average


    1-3
    Quoted message said:

    episodes of ILI, and most children will average 3-6 episodes. The CDC also
    admits that "many persons who have been vaccinated against influenza can
    still get the flu"[vi]



    This is like saying that boots won't keep the snow out of your hair, so you
    might as well go barefoot all winter. Just because the flu shot won't
    prevent all diseases does not devalue the protection provided against known
    circulating strains of flu.


    Quoted message said:


    Targeting the elderly
    The flu vaccine is generally recommended for persons aged 65 and older,


    and
    Quoted message said:

    those with medical conditions who could experience serious complications
    from the flu. Medical journals report broad differences in effectiveness
    for the elderly, ranging from 0 to 85%.
    The CDC states that 90% of deaths from influenza occur among the elderly.
    Considering that nearly 65% of all deaths (from any cause) occur in this
    age group, it is nearly impossible to prove that flu shots significantly
    increase life expectancy in this group. The truth is that most


    people-young
    Quoted message said:

    and old-will weather a bout of the flu without hospitalization or
    complications.



    Reducing suffering is a beneficial outcome, too. Besides, even if it were
    "nearly impossible to prove" that vaccination increases life expectancy in
    the elderly, it is a good working hypothesis that it does.


    Quoted message said:


    A serious concern: Alzheimer's Disesase
    Hugh Fudenberg, MD, an immunogeneticist and biologist with nearly 850
    papers published in peer review journals, has reported that if an
    individual had five consecutive flu shots between 1970 and 1980 (the years
    studied), his/her chances of getting Alzheimer's Disease is ten times
    higher than if they had zero, one, or two shots.[vii]



    This is from a speech at a conferrence of the National Vaccine Information
    Center, an organization dedicated to frightening people into refusing
    vaccination for themselves and their children. This is hardly an unbiased
    source. Thus the above statistics are "reported" without citing any specific
    study or published research to back it up.


    Quoted message said:


    Dr. Boyd Haley, Professor and Chair of the Department of Chemistry at the
    University of Kentucky, Lexington has done extensive research in the area
    of mercury toxicity and the brain. Haley's research has established a
    likely connection between mercury toxicity and Alzheimer's disease. [viii]
    In a paper published in collaboration with researchers at University of
    Calgary, Haley stated that "seven of the characteristic markers that we
    look for to distinguish Alzheimer's disease can be produced in normal


    brain
    Quoted message said:

    tissues, or cultures of neurons, by the addition of extremely low levels


    of
    Quoted message said:

    mercury."[ix]



    How "extremely low"? The twenty micrograms of mercury in a flu shot would
    result in UNDETECTABLE levels of mercury in brain tissues.

    Quoted message said:


    Does this prove that the mercury contained in the influenza shot can be
    directly linked to Alzheimer's? No, absolutely not. But further research


    in
    Quoted message said:

    this area is critically needed because the absence of proof is not the
    "proof of absence."[x]



    And of course, the anti-vac whackos will never pass up an opportunity to use
    scary words like "mercury" and "Alzheimer's." Fear is their stock in trade.



    Quoted message said:


    Flu vaccine now for children
    The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) adopted a
    resolution effective March 1, 2003 that expanded the use of the influenza
    vaccine to include children aged 6-23 months. The recommendations also
    included vaccinating those aged 2 to 18 years who live in households
    containing children younger than 2 years of age.[xi]

    The flu vaccine most commonly given to children is Fluzone>, a trivalent
    vaccine grown in chicken eggs. Harvested with formaldehyde and containing
    the recommended ratio of 15 ug of each of the three prototype viral
    strains, each dose of Fluzone> also contains 25 ug of mercury.[xii] The


    new
    Quoted message said:

    CDC recommendations include giving the influenza vaccine to children
    beginning at six months of age and then annually, for the rest of their
    lives. Children less than age 9 receiving their first flu shot, two doses
    of vaccine are recommended, with a minimum interval of one month between
    the two doses. However, the CDC does not provide a direct reference to
    substantiate this recommendation.[xiii]



    "Formaldehyde" is another scare word, and there's that mercury thing again.
    Twenty-five micrograms is a VERY small amount. If you put a 25 microgram
    drop of mercury on your dinnerplate, you would not be able to see it without
    magnification.

    The CDC's recommended vaccination intervals are based on well understood
    immunilogical and epidemiological principles. What kind of "direct
    reference" is indicated?


    Quoted message said:


    On June 17, 2003, the FDA approved an intranasal influenza vaccine for use
    in healthy persons aged 5-49 years. Flumist> is a live-virus vaccine that
    can cause a litany of problems. (for further information on FluMist)

    Alternatives?
    If you choose not to receive the flu shot, have a discussion with your
    doctor regarding other options. However, some simple and possibly quite
    effective things you can do for yourself to prevent the flu include: 1)
    avoid white sugar;[xiv] 2) exercise regularly; 3) get adequate sleep; 4)
    eat a healthy diet, omitting trans-fats; 5) drink plenty of purified water
    daily and 6) wash your hands. A common way people contract viral illnesses
    is by rubbing their nose or their eyes after their hands have been
    contaminated with a virus. The CDC states, "the most important thing you
    can do to keep from getting sick is to wash your hands."[xv]



    Yes, this is good advice from the CDC. The CDC also advises that you should
    get a flu shot.

    Quoted message said:


    We are so used to taking medications-for prevention and treatment-that it
    is difficult to comprehend that these modest recommendations are really


    the
    Quoted message said:

    most powerful ways to minimize the likelihood of getting the flu.

    Making the decision
    You may decide to consult a physician who is schooled in alternative
    medicine to assess a variety of options for you and your family. What is
    most important, in the end, is to become as informed as possible regarding
    your options for keeping healthy and avoiding the flu.



    Better yet, consult a real physician who is schooled in medicine.


    [quote="Quoted message"]
    REFERENCES
    [i] Sabin, Russel and Reynolds. Breakdowns Mar Flu Shot Program[/quote]
    Production,
    Quoted message said:

    distribution delays raise fears of nation vulnerable to epidemic. San
    Francisco Chronicle. Feb. 25, 2001
    [ii] Charles River Laboratories, A Laboratory Animal Health Monitoring
    Program: Rationale and Development,' (Winter 1990); Source: Internet


    address
    Quoted message said:

    [iii] Institute of Medicine Press Release: Federal Guidelines Needed to
    Ensure Safety in Animal-to-Human Organ Transplants. July 17, 1996.
    [iv]CBS: The Associated Press. CDC Says Flu Season Is Going Strong in


    Parts
    Quoted message said:

    of U.S., Vaccine Doesn't Match Strain Doctors See.
    [v] MMWR. November 9, 2001 / 50(44);984-6
    [vi] MMWR Nov. 9, 2001/50(44); 984-6
    [vii] Hugh Fudenberg, MD, is Founder and Director of Research, Neurolmmuno
    Therapeutic Research Foundation. Information from Dr. Hugh Fudenberg came
    from transcribed notes of Dr. Fudenberg's speech at the NVIC International
    Vaccine Conference, Arlington, VA September, 1997. Quoted with permission.
    [viii] The Relationship of Toxic Effects of Mercury to Exacerbation of the
    Medical Condition Classified as Alzheimer's Disease by Boyd E. Haley, PhD.
    [ix] NeuroReport, 12(4):733-737, 2001
    [x] http://www.testfoundation.org/
    [xi] MMWR. 2002;51[RR-3]:1-31
    [xii] Package insert. Influenza Virus VaccineFluzone® 2003 - 2004 Formula
    [xiii] MMWR. 2002: 51 [RR-3], pg. 19
    [xiv] All forms of refined sugar depress white blood cells' ability to
    destroy bacteria. See Sanchez A, et al. Role of sugars in human
    neutrophilic phagocytosis. Am J Clin Nutr 1973;26:1180.
    [xv]CDC-Handwashing: An ounce of prevention keeps the germs away.

  3. The answer to the question is, yes, if you don't have any contraindications
    to shot.

    "john" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    SHOULD YOU GET THE FLU SHOT?
    By Dr Sherri Tenpenny
    www.nmaseminars.com

    News reports have been flooding us with articles warning that the


    impending

    Quoted message said:

    flu season may be the worst in years. Even though it is difficult to
    separate the facts from the hype, a close evaluation of the flu vaccine
    will reveal that serious questions must be raised about the


    recommendations

    Quoted message said:

    that are routinely touted, namely high efficacy with little risk. Anyone
    considering a flu shot should become informed about the substances coming
    through that needle, and should be determined to investigate the safety


    and

    Quoted message said:

    efficacy issues that are still unresolved.

    The vaccine virus
    Each year, a new vaccine is developed that contains three different


    viruses

    Quoted message said:

    (one influenza B and two influenza A strains). CDC officials select the


    new
    [quote="Quoted message"]viruses based on which viruses were prevalent during the flu season in
    China and Australia the previous year. The CDC admits that the viruses
    selected for the new vaccine are chosen on the basis of an "educated
    guess." [i][/quote]

    That's true. However, the implicaton of "an educated guess" is that the CDC
    officials and WHO officials don't really know what they are doing is totally
    wrong. For the past several years, the flu virus in the vaccine was a near
    perfect match for the flu virus that was going around.

    Quoted message said:

    What's in a flu shot?
    The influenza virus is grown in "specific pathogen-free" (SPF) eggs. Eggs
    are tested for a variety of agents-usually between 23 and 31-to confirm


    the
    Quoted message said:

    absence of those specific pathogens. Laboratories limit the number of
    agents that are screened due to the shear abundance of potential viruses
    and/or bacteria to choose from. In addition, screening for every potential
    agent would be cost prohibitive.[ii] If none of the tested agents are
    detected, the vaccine is reported as "pathogen free."



    Oh, gee, it is not like the viruses and bacteria that are screened for are
    chosen at random. The people who determine which viruses to screen for do so
    based on a strong knowledge of virology and experience.

    Quoted message said:

    However, it should be understood that there is a distinct difference
    between "pathogen free" and "specific pathogen-free." In its July 1996
    report, the Institute of Medicine acknowledged that "although it is not
    possible to produce a completely uncontaminated animal, it is possible to
    produce an animal [or egg] certified to be free of specific
    pathogens."[iii] Viruses that are harmless to their animal host, however,
    may be potentially harmful to humans.



    may be? potenially?

    Quoted message said:

    During the manufacturing process, antibiotics (neomycin, polymyxin B and
    gentamicin) are added to eliminate stray bacteria found in the mixture.


    The
    Quoted message said:

    final solution can contain the following additives in any combination:
    Triton X-100 (a detergent); polysorbate 80 (a potential carcinogen);
    gelatin; formaldehyde; and residual egg proteins. In addition, many of the
    influenza vaccines still contain thimerosal as a preservative. Thimerosal
    (mercury) is being investigated for its link to brain injury and


    autoimmune
    Quoted message said:

    disease.



    Gee, and these are found in such quantities to be harmless. Except for their
    scare-mongoring ability.

    Quoted message said:

    Does the flu shot protect?
    There are no guarantees that the influenza viruses selected for the


    vaccine
    Quoted message said:

    will be the identical strains circulating during a given flu season.



    There is no guarentee that you won't slip on stairs on the way out of the
    building this morning. However, the vaccine provides excellent protection.

    Quoted message said:

    In
    fact, it has recently been announced that this year's flu vaccine does not
    include the strain that is being reported by doctors in the community
    called the "A Fujian" strain. Outbreaks have been reported in Texas,
    Colorado and elsewhere[iv] that involve strains that do not match the
    current flu vaccine. CDC tests have confirmed that more than 80 per cent


    of
    Quoted message said:

    the 55 strains of influenza virus isolated thus far are the A Fujian
    strain. Even so, the CDC still maintains that the current vaccine could
    provide cross-protection against the new variant, but the fact is, no one
    knows for sure.



    Gee. We don't knwo for sure how effective it will be. We do know it will be
    protective for some of the viruses going around and we believe it will be
    protective for the A Fujian strain, though not as protective as we would
    like.

    Quoted message said:

    Moreover, the majority of illnesses characterized by fever, fatigue, cough
    and aching muscles are not caused by the influenza virus.



    So? That is like saying that the majority of car crashes are not fatal, so
    we should not worry about preventing car crashes. And, inlfuenza is often
    fatal, especially for older people.

    Quoted message said:

    Non-influenza
    viruses (e.g., rhinoviruses respiratory syncytial virus [RSV],
    adenoviruses, and parainfluenza viruses) can cause symptoms referred to
    influenza-like illnesses (ILI). Certain bacteria, such as Legionella spp.,
    Chlamydia pneumoniae, Mycoplasma pneumoniae, and Streptococcus pneumoniae,
    have been documented as the causes of ILI.[v]



    So? Are you saying that because there are other viruses and bacteria that
    cause illnesses that have similar symptoms that we shouldn't protect against
    influenza? That is like saying that there are other injuries on a playground
    than kids falling off of swings, so we shouldn't put ground covering to
    protect kids on swings.

    Quoted message said:

    Notably, these microbes are not part of the flu vaccine.



    Yeah, we know. But inlfuenza vaccine provides very strong coverage for a
    particular set of viruses. Which cause major morbidity and mortality
    (sickness and death).

    Quoted message said:

    Unless an
    organism's antigen is contained within the vaccine, there is no protection
    conferred by the vaccine. It is estimated that most adults will average


    1-3
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    episodes of ILI, and most children will average 3-6 episodes. The CDC also
    admits that "many persons who have been vaccinated against influenza can
    still get the flu"[vi]



    Gee. We know. Most people who get vaccined against the flu have excellent
    protection against the flu, though not perfect protection against the flu.
    It is not is not perfect.

    Quoted message said:

    Targeting the elderly
    The flu vaccine is generally recommended for persons aged 65 and older,


    and
    Quoted message said:

    those with medical conditions who could experience serious complications
    from the flu. Medical journals report broad differences in effectiveness
    for the elderly, ranging from 0 to 85%.
    The CDC states that 90% of deaths from influenza occur among the elderly.
    Considering that nearly 65% of all deaths (from any cause) occur in this
    age group, it is nearly impossible to prove that flu shots significantly
    increase life expectancy in this group.



    [censored]. The death rate of people from respiratory disease who have gotton
    the vaccine is lower in flu season that the death rate of people who have
    not gotton the shot. Includign people 65 or older.

    That is like saying most people who die in car accidents are over 0 years
    old, therefore, it is nearly in possible to determine if seat belts save
    lives.

    Quoted message said:

    The truth is that most people-young
    and old-will weather a bout of the flu without hospitalization or
    complications.



    That is true. But many of the people who get influenza will end up in
    hospitals. And the funeral home. And, we can't predict which people will get
    real sick from influenza and which will die with 100% accuracy. Plus, are
    you saying it is ok to let people get sick and be miserable for several
    days?

    Quoted message said:

    A serious concern: Alzheimer's Disesase
    Hugh Fudenberg, MD, an immunogeneticist and biologist with nearly 850
    papers published in peer review journals, has reported that if an
    individual had five consecutive flu shots between 1970 and 1980 (the years
    studied), his/her chances of getting Alzheimer's Disease is ten times
    higher than if they had zero, one, or two shots.[vii]



    Perhaps because they were under the care of doctor and they had earlier
    diagnosis.

    Quoted message said:

    Dr. Boyd Haley, Professor and Chair of the Department of Chemistry at the
    University of Kentucky, Lexington has done extensive research in the area
    of mercury toxicity and the brain. Haley's research has established a
    likely connection between mercury toxicity and Alzheimer's disease. [viii]
    In a paper published in collaboration with researchers at University of
    Calgary, Haley stated that "seven of the characteristic markers that we
    look for to distinguish Alzheimer's disease can be produced in normal


    brain
    Quoted message said:

    tissues, or cultures of neurons, by the addition of extremely low levels


    of
    Quoted message said:

    mercury."[ix]



    Yet, the form of mercury used was different. IT is a different compound with
    very different biological properties.

    Quoted message said:

    Does this prove that the mercury contained in the influenza shot can be
    directly linked to Alzheimer's? No, absolutely not. But further research


    in
    Quoted message said:

    this area is critically needed because the absence of proof is not the
    "proof of absence."[x]

    Flu vaccine now for children
    The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) adopted a
    resolution effective March 1, 2003 that expanded the use of the influenza
    vaccine to include children aged 6-23 months. The recommendations also
    included vaccinating those aged 2 to 18 years who live in households
    containing children younger than 2 years of age.[xi]

    The flu vaccine most commonly given to children is Fluzone>, a trivalent
    vaccine grown in chicken eggs. Harvested with formaldehyde and containing
    the recommended ratio of 15 ug of each of the three prototype viral
    strains, each dose of Fluzone> also contains 25 ug of mercury.[xii] The


    new
    Quoted message said:

    CDC recommendations include giving the influenza vaccine to children
    beginning at six months of age and then annually, for the rest of their
    lives. Children less than age 9 receiving their first flu shot, two doses
    of vaccine are recommended, with a minimum interval of one month between
    the two doses. However, the CDC does not provide a direct reference to
    substantiate this recommendation.[xiii]



    Depsite your concerns, the amount of ethylmercury in vaccines has never been
    proven to harm anyone.

    Quoted message said:

    On June 17, 2003, the FDA approved an intranasal influenza vaccine for use
    in healthy persons aged 5-49 years. Flumist> is a live-virus vaccine that
    can cause a litany of problems. (for further information on FluMist)



    Can cause is not the same thing as likely to cause.

    Quoted message said:

    Alternatives?
    If you choose not to receive the flu shot, have a discussion with your
    doctor regarding other options. However, some simple and possibly quite
    effective things you can do for yourself to prevent the flu include: 1)
    avoid white sugar;[xiv] 2) exercise regularly; 3) get adequate sleep; 4)
    eat a healthy diet, omitting trans-fats; 5) drink plenty of purified water
    daily and 6) wash your hands. A common way people contract viral illnesses
    is by rubbing their nose or their eyes after their hands have been
    contaminated with a virus. The CDC states, "the most important thing you
    can do to keep from getting sick is to wash your hands."[xv]



    Yes, this is true. Washing your hands prevents a lot of viruses and bacteria
    from getting you sick, not just influenza. Hand washing is not 100%
    effective against influenza either. And, as you mentioned, there are many
    other viruses and bacteria that cause flu-like illnesses. Handwashing will
    prevent these as well as gastroinstenstinal illnesses that are picked up
    when you don't wash your hands has using the toilet.

    Quoted message said:

    We are so used to taking medications-for prevention and treatment-that it
    is difficult to comprehend that these modest recommendations are really


    the
    Quoted message said:

    most powerful ways to minimize the likelihood of getting the flu.



    Wrong. No of the things that you talked about like handwashing are
    immunization. Stop confusing the issue.

    Quoted message said:

    Making the decision
    You may decide to consult a physician who is schooled in alternative
    medicine to assess a variety of options for you and your family. What is
    most important, in the end, is to become as informed as possible regarding
    your options for keeping healthy and avoiding the flu.



    You may consult such a phsyician. And a physician who is truelly schooled in
    alternative medicine will know that most alternative medicine is poor
    [censored].

    The best options for avoiding the flu include getting the vaccine, washing
    your hands and not touching your face with your hands.

    Jeff

    [quote="Quoted message"]REFERENCES
    [i] Sabin, Russel and Reynolds. Breakdowns Mar Flu Shot Program[/quote]
    Production,
    Quoted message said:

    distribution delays raise fears of nation vulnerable to epidemic. San
    Francisco Chronicle. Feb. 25, 2001
    [ii] Charles River Laboratories, A Laboratory Animal Health Monitoring
    Program: Rationale and Development,' (Winter 1990); Source: Internet


    address
    Quoted message said:

    [iii] Institute of Medicine Press Release: Federal Guidelines Needed to
    Ensure Safety in Animal-to-Human Organ Transplants. July 17, 1996.
    [iv]CBS: The Associated Press. CDC Says Flu Season Is Going Strong in


    Parts
    Quoted message said:

    of U.S., Vaccine Doesn't Match Strain Doctors See.
    [v] MMWR. November 9, 2001 / 50(44);984-6
    [vi] MMWR Nov. 9, 2001/50(44); 984-6
    [vii] Hugh Fudenberg, MD, is Founder and Director of Research, Neurolmmuno
    Therapeutic Research Foundation. Information from Dr. Hugh Fudenberg came
    from transcribed notes of Dr. Fudenberg's speech at the NVIC International
    Vaccine Conference, Arlington, VA September, 1997. Quoted with permission.
    [viii] The Relationship of Toxic Effects of Mercury to Exacerbation of the
    Medical Condition Classified as Alzheimer's Disease by Boyd E. Haley, PhD.
    [ix] NeuroReport, 12(4):733-737, 2001
    [x] http://www.testfoundation.org/
    [xi] MMWR. 2002;51[RR-3]:1-31
    [xii] Package insert. Influenza Virus VaccineFluzone® 2003 - 2004 Formula
    [xiii] MMWR. 2002: 51 [RR-3], pg. 19
    [xiv] All forms of refined sugar depress white blood cells' ability to
    destroy bacteria. See Sanchez A, et al. Role of sugars in human
    neutrophilic phagocytosis. Am J Clin Nutr 1973;26:1180.
    [xv]CDC-Handwashing: An ounce of prevention keeps the germs away.

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  4. "Jeff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    The answer to the question is, yes, if you don't have any


    contraindications

    Quoted message said:

    to shot.

    To right, if it wasn't for the flu shot a lot of grandchildren would be
    missing out on being spoilt rotten by their grandparents now.

    Quoted message said:

    "john" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    SHOULD YOU GET THE FLU SHOT?
    By Dr Sherri Tenpenny
    www.nmaseminars.com

    News reports have been flooding us with articles warning that the


    impending

    Quoted message said:

    flu season may be the worst in years. Even though it is difficult to
    separate the facts from the hype, a close evaluation of the flu vaccine
    will reveal that serious questions must be raised about the


    recommendations

    Quoted message said:

    that are routinely touted, namely high efficacy with little risk. Anyone
    considering a flu shot should become informed about the substances


    coming
    [quote="Quoted message"]

    Quoted message said:

    through that needle, and should be determined to investigate the safety


    and
    Quoted message said:

    efficacy issues that are still unresolved.

    The vaccine virus
    Each year, a new vaccine is developed that contains three different


    viruses
    Quoted message said:

    (one influenza B and two influenza A strains). CDC officials select the


    new
    [quote="Quoted message"]viruses based on which viruses were prevalent during the flu season in
    China and Australia the previous year. The CDC admits that the viruses
    selected for the new vaccine are chosen on the basis of an "educated
    guess." [i][/quote]

    That's true. However, the implicaton of "an educated guess" is that the[/quote]
    CDC
    Quoted message said:

    officials and WHO officials don't really know what they are doing is


    totally
    Quoted message said:

    wrong. For the past several years, the flu virus in the vaccine was a near
    perfect match for the flu virus that was going around.

    Quoted message said:

    What's in a flu shot?
    The influenza virus is grown in "specific pathogen-free" (SPF) eggs.


    Eggs
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    are tested for a variety of agents-usually between 23 and 31-to confirm


    the

    Quoted message said:

    absence of those specific pathogens. Laboratories limit the number of
    agents that are screened due to the shear abundance of potential viruses
    and/or bacteria to choose from. In addition, screening for every


    potential
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    agent would be cost prohibitive.[ii] If none of the tested agents are
    detected, the vaccine is reported as "pathogen free."

    Oh, gee, it is not like the viruses and bacteria that are screened for are
    chosen at random. The people who determine which viruses to screen for do


    so
    Quoted message said:

    based on a strong knowledge of virology and experience.

    Quoted message said:

    However, it should be understood that there is a distinct difference
    between "pathogen free" and "specific pathogen-free." In its July 1996
    report, the Institute of Medicine acknowledged that "although it is not
    possible to produce a completely uncontaminated animal, it is possible


    to
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    produce an animal [or egg] certified to be free of specific
    pathogens."[iii] Viruses that are harmless to their animal host,


    however,
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    may be potentially harmful to humans.

    may be? potenially?

    Quoted message said:

    During the manufacturing process, antibiotics (neomycin, polymyxin B and
    gentamicin) are added to eliminate stray bacteria found in the mixture.


    The

    Quoted message said:

    final solution can contain the following additives in any combination:
    Triton X-100 (a detergent); polysorbate 80 (a potential carcinogen);
    gelatin; formaldehyde; and residual egg proteins. In addition, many of


    the
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    influenza vaccines still contain thimerosal as a preservative.


    Thimerosal
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    (mercury) is being investigated for its link to brain injury and


    autoimmune

    Quoted message said:

    disease.

    Gee, and these are found in such quantities to be harmless. Except for


    their
    Quoted message said:

    scare-mongoring ability.

    Quoted message said:

    Does the flu shot protect?
    There are no guarantees that the influenza viruses selected for the


    vaccine

    Quoted message said:

    will be the identical strains circulating during a given flu season.

    There is no guarentee that you won't slip on stairs on the way out of the
    building this morning. However, the vaccine provides excellent protection.




    What? Against slipping on the stairs! Where can I get it? Failing that,
    anyone know a decent cobbler? Oh sorry that's the originating author isn't
    it?

    <snip rest of scare-mongering and informed countering of a load of old
    cobblers>

    --
    Steve - a trekker in search of a new soapie
    ---
    According to the tests on Emode I'm Buddha, Yoda, Santa and The Chosen One.
    Does this make me a short, fat, jolly, green Eddie Murphy?

  5. john wrote:

    However, some simple and possibly quite

    Quoted message said:

    effective things you can do for yourself to prevent the flu include: 1)
    avoid white sugar;

    Love that. Reminds me of the crazy-general
    scene in the movie "Doctor Strangelove" when
    he starts ranting about "our precious bodily
    fluids." ROFLOL.
    John

  6. In article <[email hidden]>,

    john said:

    SHOULD YOU GET THE FLU SHOT?
    By Dr Sherri Tenpenny
    www.nmaseminars.com

    Short answer: yes.

    Longer answer: Tenpenny is strongly anti-vac (check her out on the
    web if you don't believe me). So be aware of her bias.

    Actually, her bias shows through quite clearly in her highly slanted
    and, frankly, distorted discussion of the merits and problems with the
    flu vaccine:

    1) It's true that some years, the vaccine doesn't contain the most
    important flu strains. They do have to guess, and sometimes a
    late arrival to the party turns out to be particularly virulent.

    That may be the case this year. However, the other strains are
    circulating, so having the vaccine won't hurt, and the really
    severe strain this year is a close relative to one that *is* in
    the vaccine, so you may get some protection there. Nobody is
    really sure. It's been reported that at least some of the kids in
    Colorado who died from influenza had been vaccinated, but I'm not
    sure how far in advance (flu vaccine takes some weeks to reach
    maximum effectiveness).

    2) It's also true that there are probably some infectious components
    in the vaccine that we'd prefer weren't there. However, I've
    never heard of anything adverse coming from this, and I have every
    confidence that the anti-vac crowd would be screaming the house
    down about it if any were known. They still whine all the time
    about swine flu, and that was in 1976 -- which kind of makes you
    think that they don't have too many shots in their locker.

    As for other ingredients, Tenpenny seems to be worried about such
    deadly additives as gelatin. I think she needs to get out more.
    Also, as far as I could find out, she's talking through her hat in
    claiming that Polysorbate 80 is a "suspected carcinogen." I
    couldn't find any significant evidence of this, except at
    preposterous doses in rats (and not at all in mice even then).
    It's also used in making ice cream.

    Flu vax does contain thimerosal. But not enough to worry me. I
    got my flu shot this year, as I do every year.

    3) She also seems to be arguing that because many people who think
    they have the flu actually don't (they have bad colds or something
    else), that this somehow makes the flu vaccine unneeded. Odd.

    Quoted message said:

    Notably, these microbes are not part of the flu vaccine. Unless an
    organism's antigen is contained within the vaccine, there is no protection
    conferred by the vaccine. It is estimated that most adults will average 1-3
    episodes of ILI, and most children will average 3-6 episodes. The CDC also
    admits that "many persons who have been vaccinated against influenza can
    still get the flu"[vi]

    No vaccine is perfect. So?

    Quoted message said:

    Targeting the elderly
    The flu vaccine is generally recommended for persons aged 65 and older, and
    those with medical conditions who could experience serious complications
    from the flu. Medical journals report broad differences in effectiveness
    for the elderly, ranging from 0 to 85%.
    The CDC states that 90% of deaths from influenza occur among the elderly.
    Considering that nearly 65% of all deaths (from any cause) occur in this
    age group, it is nearly impossible to prove that flu shots significantly
    increase life expectancy in this group. The truth is that most people-young
    and old-will weather a bout of the flu without hospitalization or
    complications.

    Nice dodge, but tens of thousands of elderly people *do* die of the
    flu each year, and there is a raft of studies showing that flu
    vaccination does reduce mortality in the elderly. Somehow, Tenpenny
    manages to gloss over that.

    Quoted message said:

    A serious concern: Alzheimer's Disesase
    Hugh Fudenberg, MD, an immunogeneticist and biologist with nearly 850
    papers published in peer review journals, has reported that if an
    individual had five consecutive flu shots between 1970 and 1980 (the years
    studied), his/her chances of getting Alzheimer's Disease is ten times
    higher than if they had zero, one, or two shots.[vii]

    Did he, now? I couldn't find anything published by him about this, or
    even about influenza. Supposedly, it was some conference in 1997
    where he said this. Where's the evidence?

    And as for Boyd Haley, he seems to think mercury causes everything.

    <The rest of her article is blather.>

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    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
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