Should we be allowed out?

polk salad annie wrote

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Do you think we are we ok

Yes

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or a potential disaster?

Yes :-)

We've all made mistakes. Why worry ? Did you enjoy
yourselves ? Did you get hurt ? Did you offend anyone ?

Keep up the good work :-)

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salad annie <[email hidden]> writes

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At the weekend my two sisters and I decided to do a
circular walk from Grange to High Spy. We had a map and
compass but not much proficiency. We lost the descent path
at some craggy bits but could see our target and didn't
want to have to walk all the way back up to the top. We got
down the hill by a combination of bottom sliding on moss
and bracken and crab walking on the stony bits. We ended up
trapped behind a farm at the bottom so had to squeeze
through a very narrow gap and climb over bags of something
very smelly while keeping a look out for angry farmers and
ferocious dogs. We woke up this morning aching so much we
could hardly get down the stairs of our guest house.

We've been muddling through in a similar way for a few
years now, having done most of the Lakes peaks and have
never got lost or had to call the mountain rescue people
out! Do you think we are we ok or a potential disaster?

All of us are a potential disaster!

I think that your spirit of adventure certainly appears to
be in order but you might want to get a good book on
navigation and get well acquainted with the art.

For a comprehensive and easy to understand book I would
suggest Mountain Navigation by Peter Cliff

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PS. I don't think the farmer / dog would have been overly
worried if you had just walked through without climbing
over his smelly stuff!

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On 7 Mar 2004 10:39:43 -0800, [email hidden] (polk salad
annie) wrote in message
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We ended up trapped behind a farm at the bottom so had to
squeeze through a very narrow gap and climb over bags of
something very smelly while keeping a look out for angry
farmers and ferocious dogs.

Last time that happened to me I was threatened with a
firearm by an irate farmer. Which was scary...

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Quoted message said:

At the weekend my two sisters and I decided to do a
circular walk from Grange to High Spy. We had a map and
compass but not much proficiency. We lost the descent
path at some craggy bits but could see our target and
didn't want to have to walk all the way back up to the
top. We got down the hill by a combination of bottom
sliding on moss and bracken and crab walking on the stony
bits. We ended up trapped behind a farm at the bottom so
had to squeeze through a very narrow gap and climb over
bags of something very smelly while keeping a look out
for angry farmers and ferocious dogs. We woke up this
morning aching so much we could hardly get down the
stairs of our guest house.

We've been muddling through in a similar way for a few
years now, having done most of the Lakes peaks and have
never got lost or had to call the mountain rescue people
out! Do you think we are we ok or a potential disaster?

Do *you* think you're a potential disaster? It sounds to me
like you don't try anything life-threatening and I doubt
very much that you'll get into any trouble - especially with
three of you.

We all get lost from time to time. I mean, not lost but not
totally sure of our location on the map. As long as we know
how to handle that
(e.g. we say, "descend until we reach the woodland"😉 and how
to get back to a known point then we don't get
worried. If you are worried then I would strongly
suggest brushing up on map and compass work.

Having said that, two recent tragedies in the Lakes
(Striding Edge was described as "notorious"!) it helps to
remember that even some friendly-looking places can be
troublesome.

--
Adrian

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On 7 Mar 2004 10:39:43 -0800, [email hidden]
(polk salad annie) wrote in message
<[email hidden]>:

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We ended up trapped behind a farm at the bottom so had to
squeeze through a very narrow gap and climb over bags of
something very smelly while keeping a look out for angry
farmers and ferocious dogs.

Last time that happened to me I was threatened with a
firearm by an irate farmer. Which was scary...

And illegal. I hope you reported him to the local
constabulary.
--
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"Westminster Gasworks"

On 7 Mar 2004 10:39:43 -0800, [email hidden] (polk salad

annie) said:

We've been muddling through in a similar way for a few
years now, having done most of the Lakes peaks and have
never got lost or had to call the mountain rescue
people out!

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Do you think we are we ok

Probably.

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or a potential disaster?

Possibly. I can navigate well, know my stuff and still fell
off a mountian in the middle of Scotland (which
neccessitated a Landrover extraction by MRT and a trip to
A&E) Everyone can have a disaster, it's a question who will.
The fact that you've been "muddling through in a similar way
for a few years now," and not died is a good sign.

You may want to consider a navigation course/book, try
Langmuir "Mountaincraft and Leadership" for a start.

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42% are made up later on. In Warwick - looking at flat
fields and that includes the castle.

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(polk salad annie) said:

We've been muddling through in a similar way for a few
years now,

Sounds good to me.

Reminds me a little of living in central Italy, where half-
decent maps simply don't exist for most areas, so "trial-and-
error" navigation rapidly became the norm. I certainly
wasn't going to let it stop me getting out there!

--
Nick Kew

Quoted message said:

At the weekend my two sisters and I decided to do a
circular walk from Grange to High Spy. We had a map and
compass but not much proficiency. We lost the descent path
at some craggy bits but could see our target and didn't
want to have to walk all the way back up to the top. We got
down the hill by a combination of bottom sliding on moss
and bracken and crab walking on the stony bits. We ended up
trapped behind a farm at the bottom so had to squeeze
through a very narrow gap and climb over bags of something
very smelly while keeping a look out for angry farmers and
ferocious dogs. We woke up this morning aching so much we
could hardly get down the stairs of our guest house.

We've been muddling through in a similar way for a few
years now, having done most of the Lakes peaks and have
never got lost or had to call the mountain rescue people
out! Do you think we are we ok or a potential disaster?

Like your spirit of adventure and the fells are there to be
investigated ......make your own routes, forget the paths
but do try to learn to use the compass proficiently and
likewise to mapread.....if only to keep you clear of irate
farmers! Dave All Wainwrights completed 74 Walks......763
miles......approx 200,000' of ascent to complete. At Heysham
looking across Morecambe Bay to the Cumbrian Fells

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We ended up trapped behind a farm at the bottom so had to
squeeze through a very narrow gap and climb over bags of
something very smelly while keeping a look out for angry
farmers and ferocious dogs.

The thing about enclosed fields is that there is always an
exit somewhere otherwise the farmer couldn't farm. The way
out might take you past the farm but a confrontation with a
farmer in such circumstances is likely to be much less
heated if you haven't been caught demolishing one of his
decrepit stone walls. You could always try the subtle
approach and actually call at the farmhouse with a "help
please, we're lost. Can you direct us to ....."

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We woke up this morning aching so much we could hardly get
down the stairs of our guest house.

There is an easy (well, perhaps not) way out of that - get
out more. :-)

--

Roger

"Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On 7 Mar 2004 10:39:43 -0800, [email hidden]
(polk salad annie) wrote in message
<[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

We ended up trapped behind a farm at the bottom so had to
squeeze through a very narrow gap and climb over bags of
something very smelly while keeping a look out for angry
farmers and ferocious dogs.

Last time that happened to me I was threatened with a
firearm by an irate farmer. Which was scary...

B*gger! Why does that always happen to someone else? I'd
love that grumpy sod in Glen Falloch to try that.........

KRO

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In article
<[email hidden]>,

(polk salad annie) said:

We've been muddling through in a similar way for a few
years now,

Sounds good to me.

Reminds me a little of living in central Italy, where half-
decent maps simply don't exist for most areas, so "trial-and-
error" navigation rapidly became the norm. I certainly
wasn't going to let it stop me getting out there!

Maps obviously are much in abundance here, so there's no
excuse for getting lost. However, there's also no excuse for
being 100% safe and wrapped in cotton wool, some "day out"
that would be. A certain element of risk is always
preferable.

KRO

polk salad annie said:

At the weekend my two sisters and I decided to do a
circular walk from Grange to High Spy. We had a map and
compass but not much proficiency. We lost the descent
path at some craggy bits but could see our target and
didn't want to have to walk all the way back up to the
top. We got down the hill by a combination of bottom
sliding on moss and bracken and crab walking on the stony
bits. We ended up trapped behind a farm at the bottom so
had to squeeze through a very narrow gap and climb over
bags of something very smelly while keeping a look out
for angry farmers and ferocious dogs. We woke up this
morning aching so much we could hardly get down the
stairs of our guest house.

We've been muddling through in a similar way for a few
years now, having done most of the Lakes peaks and have
never got lost or had to call the mountain rescue people
out! Do you think we are we ok or a potential disaster?

I think you will be OK - but perhaps reading up on map
reading / compass use would be a good idea? I'm reading
"Navigation for Walkers" by Julian Tippett. Its a good book
with chapters on map reading, compass use, and route
planning. It doesn't cost anything to learn how to use a map
and compass, better to have the skills and knowledge and
*not* need it, than need to use it but not know how!

Don't let getting "lost" put you off getting out.

regards

--
Brian

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On 7 Mar 2004 10:39:43 -0800, [email hidden]
(polk salad annie) wrote in message
<[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

We ended up trapped behind a farm at the bottom so had to
squeeze through a very narrow gap and climb over bags of
something very smelly while keeping a look out for angry
farmers and ferocious dogs.

Last time that happened to me I was threatened with a
firearm by an irate farmer. Which was scary...

Nowadays that is scary for the farmer. You had it in your
power to rid the idiot of his gun licence.

Richard Webb

On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 19:13:29 GMT, [email hidden] (RJ

Webb) said:

Quoted message said:

Last time that happened to me I was threatened with a
firearm by an irate farmer. Which was scary...

Quoted message said:

Nowadays that is scary for the farmer. You had it in your
power to rid the idiot of his gun licence.

I always did, I think - but, having been trained never to
point a weapon at anyone unless you are prepared to kill
them, and guessing that he might be similarly trained, I
didn't stop to argue!

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"polk salad annie" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

We ended up trapped behind a farm at the bottom so had to
squeeze through a very narrow gap and climb over bags of
something very smelly while keeping a look out for angry
farmers and ferocious dogs. We woke up this morning
aching so much we could hardly get down the stairs of our
guest house.

We've been muddling through in a similar way for a few
years now, having done most of the Lakes peaks and have
never got lost or had to call the mountain rescue people
out! Do you think we are we ok or a potential disaster?

Full marks for attitude to hill walking. Zero marks for
respect for other people's property.

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At the weekend my two sisters and I decided to do a
circular walk from Grange to High Spy. We had a map and
compass but not much proficiency.

Tut tut, you admitted it! Most people that I know couldn't
navigate their way out of a cardboard box! I doesn't matter
what your proficiency level is, so long as you've always got
a rough idea where you are, and can get to a know point on
without any problems. The map and compass stuff is really
only needed when all else fails. But it's worth spending
some time learning how to do stuff like triangulation (or
whatever the proper name is, I've forgotton).

Quoted message said:

We lost the descent path at some craggy bits but could see
our target and didn't want to have to walk all the way
back up to the top. We got down the hill by a combination
of bottom sliding on moss and bracken and crab walking on
the stony bits.

Sounds like fun. Hope you got really muddy :-)

Quoted message said:

We ended up trapped behind a farm at the bottom so had to
squeeze through a very narrow gap and climb over bags of
something very smelly while keeping a look out for angry
farmers and ferocious dogs.

Manurer? Pooowwweee!

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We woke up this morning aching so much we could hardly
get down the stairs of our guest house.

I know that feeling, a little Deep Heat will do wonders.
(well, it helped for me)

Quoted message said:

We've been muddling through in a similar way for a few
years now, having done most of the Lakes peaks and have
never got lost or had to call the mountain rescue people
out! Do you think we are we ok or a potential disaster?

Sounds like you've been having some real fun. It's obviously
working for you. Sounds like you've got all the skills that
you really need.

I still think that you've a potential disaster though :-p
But no more that what I am. Rember the phrase isn't "lost"
it's "temporarly misplaced".

Col.

Jim Hutton <[email hidden]> wrote

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I shall start a row by suggesting that in a year or two's
time (when you are really good at map reading & compass
and all the rest) you get hold of a gps and learn to use
it ..... Just another line of defence.

Jim Hutton

Then, like myself, you will wish you had one when you
started, to keep all the tracks as an invaluable record of
all your walks. I laboriously plotted our walks on the
relevant 1" Tourist maps of the areas in ink.

I endorse the fact that you should learn navigation from map-
reading and relating it to the terrain. It is also essential
to know how to use a compass, and to always carry it, even
though I have never found a use for mine since owning a GPS.
--
Gordon

Thank you for the votes of confidence and watch out for
three nutty women sliding down hills all over Cumbria - it
will probably be us! If anyone would like to recommend a
good navigation skills course I would not be offended....!

Just zis Guy, you know? wrote on Sun, 07 Mar 2004 21:17:16 +0000....

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On 7 Mar 2004 10:39:43 -0800, [email hidden]
(polk salad annie) wrote in message
<[email hidden]>:

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We ended up trapped behind a farm at the bottom so had to
squeeze through a very narrow gap and climb over bags of
something very smelly while keeping a look out for angry
farmers and ferocious dogs.

Last time that happened to me I was threatened with a
firearm by an irate farmer. Which was scary...

Last time it happened to me I had a friendly chat with the
farmer. I apologised and said I'd chosen the wrong way and
it was a terrible way off the hill. He said no problem, I
wasn't the first and he thought it wasn't all that bad a way
down anyway.

In actual fact, I wasn't lost - I knew exactly where I was.
It had looked a good way down on the map. But I hadn't
reckoned on all the undergrowth and bushes I'd have to
fight through, which pushed me off my intended route and
into his farmyard.

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