Short list for CCA Marketing Spot

[font=Book Antiqua]Your list is very incomplete and flawed.[/font]

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[font=Book Antiqua]Louis Barbeau will never leave Quebec and his work with Paraolympics.[/font]
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[font=Book Antiqua]Steve Mercker is the Executive Director of OCA, why would he leave the top spot inToronto to go to a lesser job in Ottawa, walking away from about three years of his plans and project?[/font]
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[font=Book Antiqua]Kris Westwood is already at the CCA. I do not think he is going to leave athlete development and coaching which he is well suited for to take on marketing for which he is not.[/font]
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[font=Book Antiqua]Patrcik Van de Wile has never done anything in cycling except write on it as a spectator. He said so himself, "Whoa boy, I think it's silly to say I have better knowledge of cycling than Ed (Arzouian). My own list of racing accomplishments is very, very scarce (though I did win one of the two races I entered, riding Chris Firek's too-tall bike and dressed up in the Ultramar Bear suit for the celebrity race). My only claim is spectator- and journalist-side. Patrik Van de Wille Posted on Pedal: Tue Feb 01, 2005 1:07 am [/font]
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[font=Book Antiqua]and "I've said many times that I'm no expert myself that would make me right in my comment. And my comments are simply opinions, offered as such. " Patrick Van de Wille posted on Pedal.[/font]
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[font=Book Antiqua]Patrick Van de Wille has never even negotiated one sponsorship agreement in cycling (I guess that would qualify him to be a CCA President), never coached, never ran a team, never worked for a federation or association, never worked in the cycling industry. The CCA has enough people already with no practical cycling experience. They do not need more.[/font]
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[font=Book Antiqua]As for your other three suggestions, they still have some work to do before they are ready. Johnny Carson had a group called the "Not-ready-for-primetime-players".[/font]
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Ok, well I appreciate your input. Who would you suggest? Do you have a shortlist of say 5 people?

Eddie Arzouian said:

[font=Book Antiqua]Your list is very incomplete and flawed.[/font]

[font=Book Antiqua]Louis Barbeau will never leave Quebec and his work with Paraolympics.[/font]

[font=Book Antiqua]Steve Mercker is the Executive Director of OCA, why would he leave the top spot inToronto to go to a lesser job in Ottawa, walking away from about three years of his plans and project?[/font]

[font=Book Antiqua]Kris Westwood is already at the CCA. I do not think he is going to leave athlete development and coaching which he is well suited for to take on marketing for which he is not.[/font]

[font=Book Antiqua]Patrcik Van de Wile has never done anything in cycling except write on it as a spectator. He said so himself, "Whoa boy, I think it's silly to say I have better knowledge of cycling than Ed (Arzouian). My own list of racing accomplishments is very, very scarce (though I did win one of the two races I entered, riding Chris Firek's too-tall bike and dressed up in the Ultramar Bear suit for the celebrity race). My only claim is spectator- and journalist-side. Patrik Van de Wille Posted on Pedal: Tue Feb 01, 2005 1:07 am [/font]

[font=Book Antiqua]and "I've said many times that I'm no expert myself that would make me right in my comment. And my comments are simply opinions, offered as such. " Patrick Van de Wille posted on Pedal.[/font]

[font=Book Antiqua]Patrick Van de Wille has never even negotiated one sponsorship agreement in cycling (I guess that would qualify him to be a CCA President), never coached, never ran a team, never worked for a federation or association, never worked in the cycling industry. The CCA has enough people already with no practical cycling experience. They do not need more.[/font]

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[font=Book Antiqua]As for your other three suggestions, they still have some work to do before they are ready. Johnny Carson had a group called the "Not-ready-for-primetime-players".[/font]

My list is much shorter:

1. Me

Eddie Arzouian said:

My list is much shorter:

1. Me

But from what I see here you are pretty mean to them, and I'm not sure that will help to a potential employer! And plus, your spelling is bad! Ha, Ha! You can't be a marketing guy with your spelling and grammar! Attention to detail is key!

Have you sent your CV in? You never know, I suppose.

Eddie Arzouian said:

My list is much shorter:

1. Me

But in all seriousness, who else? I can't believe there is only one person in the world that can have this job. Who else do you think would suit it?

[font=Book Antiqua][font=Book Antiqua]Also wanted to add I think Cunningham and Van den Wille are the strongest candidates in my view. Excellent in marketing, healthy background outside of the sport and very successful in their fields, I believe. Cunningham has a great company and is a really affable guy and I have met him out here in BC. Same for Van den Wille, though I've never personally met him, just on TV.[/font]
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[font=Book Antiqua]Didn't know that about Barbeau, always was impressed with him too. Same with Merker, met him once. Maybe he'd leave in order to get to the CCA? The CCA has a lot of great changes going on and I think it's really exciting. It's great to see so much new stuff happening and being implemented! [/font]
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Oh, sorry , did you mean Cunningham(s), the Symmetrics guy???

My mistake there about being a not-ready-for primetime player, he is already a primetime player.

He has his own very succesful business(es) to run ( I get the two brothers mixed up, I have never met them only exchanged emails). He is not going to work for the CCA. He also has his own team. That would be a conflict.

As for Van de wille, I did not include his own words for nothing. He has very little practical expeience in the sport (he admitted it) and has never dealt with sponsorship at all. Yeah, sure he wrote some PR stuff, big difference than putting together deals.

Sure, I sent in my resume here it is:

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[font=Times New Roman]Sport:[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]2003 Hamilton 2003 – Competition Coordinator, Canadian National Road Cycling Championships and World Road Championships. Hamilton , ON.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]1999(Sept. 2- 12) Tour Trans Canada - Assisted in media relations and acted as a direct media liaison looking after the daily needs of journalist, media personalities and VIPs throughout the international cycling stage race from Quebec City to Niagara Falls, ON.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]1999 Women’s World Cup Montreal/ Director. Handled all aspects of presenting this international cycling event, including sponsorship, promotions, logistics and communications and media relations.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]1999-97 Fédération Auto-Québec/ Sponsorship research. Coordinated and assisted the Federation in finding and managing sponsorships for their 1998 Ice Racing Championship Series. Also reported on the entire series for The Gazette.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]1997 Shaklee Professional Cycling Team, Palo Alto, CA/ Manager, Men’s road team. Handled most aspects of managing the team from promotional work and travel coordinating to team strategies during races.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]1996 MAVIC Race Service, Quebec. Assisted Outdoor Gear Canada in launching the race service, including negotiating the deal with BMW for a motorcycle and piloting the moto during events.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]1988-1993 Club Cycliste de Montreal (Evian and Reynolds/Volkswagen teams), Montreal, QC./Co- founder and manager of Canada's only professional cycling team. Handled all aspects of the team from sponsorship research to hiring riders and media relations. [/font]

[font=Times New Roman]1988 Caandian Cycling Association. Project Manager, Managed the Canadian national team at Coors Light Whaling City Classic Stage race.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]1987 Le Club Medico Sportif, NDG, Montreal, Sales consultant, fitness instructor.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]1985 Nautilus Plus, Montreal, Ste-Catherine Street., Fitness Instructor.[/font]

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[font=Times New Roman]Community and Corporate:[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]2002 College superieure de Montreal , Teacher, English business correspondence and translation (French to English) to adult Francophone and Allophone students.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]2001 (June–Sept.) Human Resources Development Canada (HRDC) contracted to assist in the preparation of a community youth centre.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]2000-2001 Chateauguay Valley English Speaking Peoples Association (CVESPA) Executive Director. Handled all daily administration, media and public relations. Coordinated funding applications to Canadian Heritage.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]2000 -’99 TechQuebec.com - Assisted in the Internet start-up of a business-to-business web site focusing on the IT industry in Quebec, and employment services for it. Handled sales, marketing, public relations and some site architecture.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]1998 (contractual) MRC du Haut St. Laurent/ Sponsorship research & technical consultant for CycloPomme, a family-oriented bicycle tour organized by regional municipalities. Assisted in developing and promoting the event.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]1996-93 Hardt Equipment Inc., Lachine, QC./ Special Projects coordinator R&D, Purchaser, in rotisserie manufacturing. Product development, developed computerized parts numbering, inventory system and BOMs (bill of materials). Began development of U.S. national service network. Handled some promotional & marketing work. [/font]

[font=Times New Roman]1994(June/July) Van de Water-Raymond, Laval, QC./ Snapple beverage promotions coordinator.[/font][font=Times New Roman] [/font]

[font=Times New Roman]1988 Outdoor Gear Canada (OGC), St. Laurent. Handled inventory and shipping of bicycles and accessories.[/font]

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[font=Times New Roman]Journalism and Media Relations: [/font]

[font=Times New Roman]2004 Les Edition Andre Pomerleau – Sales and Editorial work, The Free Borders Newspaper and L’Impact. Valleyfield, QC[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]2002 Comments& Op-Ed printed in The Dallas Morning News, The Austin Statesman, The Atlanta Constitution Journal, The Ottawa Citizen, The Winnipeg Free Press, USA Today and The Montreal Gazette on numerous topics.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]2000 Wrote a weekly political column for The (Montreal) Suburban. Circulation 101,000 homes. BTW They are running an op-ed piece of mine this week, May 17, 2005[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]1999 (Mar. to June) Handled all press releases and media relations for Women’s World Cup Road Race Montreal. One of only nine such events in the world sanctioned by the Union Cycliste Internationale. Attendance 40,000+, staff 300 (30 part-time paid, more than 250 volunteers)[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]1999 (Feb & March) Covered winter auto racing for The Gazette, Montreal.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]1993-88 Handled all press releases for Canada's only professional cycling team which included five Olympic athletes. Filed stories over modem (in ’88 before most people knew what they were) from across North America and Europe. Submitted photos, articles and editorials to most major cycling publications such as VeloNews, Bicycling and Winning in the U.S. and Pedal Magazine, VeloMag, Canadian Cyclist in Canada. Also handled radio and television reports. Personally appeared in numerous interviews, including a three, 30 minute live phone-in television talk shows (Montreal AM Live with Leslie Roberts, tapes available) . Coordinated cycling coverage, and submitted reports and features regularly to The Montreal Gazette. Jack Romanelli, editor. couple hundred stories[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]1990-88 Filed over 100 stories with The Montreal Gazette, on a two or three per week basis. Pat Hickey, editor.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]1983-82 Photo Editor, The McGill Daily, McGill University, Montreal.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]1983 (May & June) AP, Washington DC. Worked full-time on Wirephoto desk co-ordinating all photos originating from southeast U.S. and controlled all traffic incoming from NY office.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]1982 Ralph Nader Seminar on Investigative Journalism, Washington, D.C.[/font]

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[font=Times New Roman]Education:[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]1987-81 McGill University, Montreal, QC./ B.A., Major: North American Studies. Minor: Communications.[/font]

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[font=Times New Roman]Languages: Fluent in English and French, written and spoken. An understanding of basic Spanish.[/font]

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[font=Times New Roman]Interests: Bicycling (US Olympic Development Team, Colorado Springs ’85, ’86, ’87, Quebec Provincial Team ’84-’87, Bronze medal CDN Nat’l. TTT Champ ’86. A number of Provincial Road & Track Championships ’75 to ’87) Motorcycling, Cross-Country Skiing, Boardsailing, In-line Skating, Woodworking, Billiards & Film.[/font]

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[font=Times New Roman] References available upon request. [/font]

Uboat said:

But from what I see here you are pretty mean to them, and I'm not sure that will help to a potential employer! And plus, your spelling is bad! Ha, Ha! You can't be a marketing guy with your spelling and grammar! Attention to detail is key!

Have you sent your CV in? You never know, I suppose.

I hope you do not pick over my posts with a fine tooth comb. I was a spelling champ in grade six! I come on the forum for content, not to see high quality writing. Nor would I waste my time correcting myself here.

As for Mr. Arzouian, right now, I cannot think of anyone else more qualified at the moment. He may come across as a bit pushy towards the CCA but someone has to. No one else is. You would have to be crazy to say that the CCA is a well lubed efficient machine, that is for sure. If there is someone out there better qualified, then great, however, EA would know how to get the marketing area up and running fairly quick. You do not get two years to put together teams with comprehensive sponsorship. It has to be done fairly quickly and efficiently to keep everyone's interests (riders and sponsors). Mr. Arzouian’s CV, as you can see, displays that ability. You can smell the death of a project when people have to go and ask "what is happening now?".

Hi Ed,

Yes I've seen your resume before here (I think it's been posted at least once) and on the other places where you've been. I don't need to see it again but thanks anyway.

Well, Cunningham would be great I think, but maybe you are right. Good luck in your attempt, and I don't want to come across negative but I don't know how much of a chance (based on my own limited contacts with people at the CCA, and from what I've seen here) because I'm not sure how much they like you? Maybe I'm wrong. Good luck anyway.

Eddie Arzouian said:

Oh, sorry , did you mean Cunningham(s), the Symmetrics guy???

My mistake there about being a not-ready-for primetime player, he is already a primetime player.

He has his own very succesful business(es) to run ( I get the two brothers mixed up, I have never met them only exchanged emails). He is not going to work for the CCA. He also has his own team. That would be a conflict.

As for Van de wille, I did not include his own words for nothing. He has very little practical expeience in the sport (he admitted it) and has never dealt with sponsorship at all. Yeah, sure he wrote some PR stuff, big difference than putting together deals.

Sure, I sent in my resume here it is:

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[font=Times New Roman]2003 Hamilton 2003 – Competition Coordinator, Canadian National Road Cycling Championships and World Road Championships. Hamilton , ON.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]1999(Sept. 2- 12) Tour Trans Canada - Assisted in media relations and acted as a direct media liaison looking after the daily needs of journalist, media personalities and VIPs throughout the international cycling stage race from Quebec City to Niagara Falls, ON.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]1999 Women’s World Cup Montreal/ Director. Handled all aspects of presenting this international cycling event, including sponsorship, promotions, logistics and communications and media relations.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]1999-97 Fédération Auto-Québec/ Sponsorship research. Coordinated and assisted the Federation in finding and managing sponsorships for their 1998 Ice Racing Championship Series. Also reported on the entire series for The Gazette.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]1997 Shaklee Professional Cycling Team, Palo Alto, CA/ Manager, Men’s road team. Handled most aspects of managing the team from promotional work and travel coordinating to team strategies during races.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]1996 MAVIC Race Service, Quebec. Assisted Outdoor Gear Canada in launching the race service, including negotiating the deal with BMW for a motorcycle and piloting the moto during events.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]1988-1993 Club Cycliste de Montreal (Evian and Reynolds/Volkswagen teams), Montreal, QC./Co- founder and manager of Canada's only professional cycling team. Handled all aspects of the team from sponsorship research to hiring riders and media relations. [/font]

[font=Times New Roman]1988 Caandian Cycling Association. Project Manager, Managed the Canadian national team at Coors Light Whaling City Classic Stage race.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]1987 Le Club Medico Sportif, NDG, Montreal, Sales consultant, fitness instructor.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]1985 Nautilus Plus, Montreal, Ste-Catherine Street., Fitness Instructor.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]Community and Corporate:[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]2002 College superieure de Montreal , Teacher, English business correspondence and translation (French to English) to adult Francophone and Allophone students.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]2001 (June–Sept.) Human Resources Development Canada (HRDC) contracted to assist in the preparation of a community youth centre.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]2000-2001 Chateauguay Valley English Speaking Peoples Association (CVESPA) Executive Director. Handled all daily administration, media and public relations. Coordinated funding applications to Canadian Heritage.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]2000 -’99 TechQuebec.com - Assisted in the Internet start-up of a business-to-business web site focusing on the IT industry in Quebec, and employment services for it. Handled sales, marketing, public relations and some site architecture.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]1998 (contractual) MRC du Haut St. Laurent/ Sponsorship research & technical consultant for CycloPomme, a family-oriented bicycle tour organized by regional municipalities. Assisted in developing and promoting the event.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]1996-93 Hardt Equipment Inc., Lachine, QC./ Special Projects coordinator R&D, Purchaser, in rotisserie manufacturing. Product development, developed computerized parts numbering, inventory system and BOMs (bill of materials). Began development of U.S. national service network. Handled some promotional & marketing work. [/font]

[font=Times New Roman]1994(June/July) Van de Water-Raymond, Laval, QC./ Snapple beverage promotions coordinator.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]1988 Outdoor Gear Canada (OGC), St. Laurent. Handled inventory and shipping of bicycles and accessories.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]Journalism and Media Relations: [/font]

[font=Times New Roman]2004 Les Edition Andre Pomerleau – Sales and Editorial work, The Free Borders Newspaper and L’Impact. Valleyfield, QC[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]2002 Comments& Op-Ed printed in The Dallas Morning News, The Austin Statesman, The Atlanta Constitution Journal, The Ottawa Citizen, The Winnipeg Free Press, USA Today and The Montreal Gazette on numerous topics.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]2000 Wrote a weekly political column for The (Montreal) Suburban. Circulation 101,000 homes. BTW They are running an op-ed piece of mine this week, May 17, 2005[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]1999 (Mar. to June) Handled all press releases and media relations for Women’s World Cup Road Race Montreal. One of only nine such events in the world sanctioned by the Union Cycliste Internationale. Attendance 40,000+, staff 300 (30 part-time paid, more than 250 volunteers)[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]1999 (Feb & March) Covered winter auto racing for The Gazette, Montreal.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]1993-88 Handled all press releases for Canada's only professional cycling team which included five Olympic athletes. Filed stories over modem (in ’88 before most people knew what they were) from across North America and Europe. Submitted photos, articles and editorials to most major cycling publications such as VeloNews, Bicycling and Winning in the U.S. and Pedal Magazine, VeloMag, Canadian Cyclist in Canada. Also handled radio and television reports. Personally appeared in numerous interviews, including a three, 30 minute live phone-in television talk shows (Montreal AM Live with Leslie Roberts, tapes available) . Coordinated cycling coverage, and submitted reports and features regularly to The Montreal Gazette. Jack Romanelli, editor. couple hundred stories[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]1990-88 Filed over 100 stories with The Montreal Gazette, on a two or three per week basis. Pat Hickey, editor.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]1983-82 Photo Editor, The McGill Daily, McGill University, Montreal.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]1983 (May & June) AP, Washington DC. Worked full-time on Wirephoto desk co-ordinating all photos originating from southeast U.S. and controlled all traffic incoming from NY office.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]1982 Ralph Nader Seminar on Investigative Journalism, Washington, D.C.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]Education:[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]1987-81 McGill University, Montreal, QC./ B.A., Major: North American Studies. Minor: Communications.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]Languages: Fluent in English and French, written and spoken. An understanding of basic Spanish.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]Interests: Bicycling (US Olympic Development Team, Colorado Springs ’85, ’86, ’87, Quebec Provincial Team ’84-’87, Bronze medal CDN Nat’l. TTT Champ ’86. A number of Provincial Road & Track Championships ’75 to ’87) Motorcycling, Cross-Country Skiing, Boardsailing, In-line Skating, Woodworking, Billiards & Film.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman]References available upon request. [/font]

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[font=Book Antiqua][font=Book Antiqua]Also wanted to add I think Cunningham and Van den Wille are the strongest candidates in my view. Excellent in marketing, healthy background outside of the sport and very successful in their fields, I believe.[/font]

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Thanks for the kind mention, though I'm not sure what I've done to deserve it. That being said, and although I'm happy to help the CCA any way I can, there is no way I would ever express interest in the position at the CCA. First of all, I no loonger reside in Canada nor have any plans to do so in the foreseeable future. Second, the position is about ten years lower on the experience scale than where I am, and I would have to take something like a 75% pay cut to do it. Third, I'm a PR/journalism guy, and I think this position needs someone more interested in sponsor service, TV negotiation, and merchanising. I hope someone like that exists who's interested in the job, but as I've said elsewhere, if they existed in canadian cycling we would know them by now.

Anyway, cheerio and thanks again for thinking of me.

[font=Bookman Old Style]Nice to see Patrick Van de Wille reads this forum now.

I wonder if he will come here to have me banned as he did on Pedal Forum?

He complained when I posted his own words!

Sound crazy? Well, here is proof:

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Patty the Lapsed Canuck said:

I agree with ditching him( Ed Arzouian): the "archive" of comments that he finds silly, which he presumably keeps to try to screw me off at every occasion (I can't think of any constructive reason to keep one) is the last straw for me.

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Patrick is a writer (I'm a PR/journalism guy", he wrote above) but he doesn't want anybody remembering anything he writes! Don't quote anything he writes, he won't like it.

I'm still trying to figure out how reminding the PR/journalism guy of his owns words is "trying to screw" him?

You'd think a PR/journalism guy would be very conscious of what he writes and says, but apparently that isn't the case. Some things we are supposed to take seriously, others we are to forget.

No worries, I don't take anything he writes seriously. Keep in mind this a guy who, while covering san event for Pedal Magazine in the Maritimes, got drunk and decided to go racing bikes nude around a public parking lot. He calls is "letting off steam". I would call it public indecency as would most courts.

This is apparently behaviour condone by Pedal Magazine because Van de Wille is backing "writing" race reports for them. He writes of races taking place in Europe from his home in Illinois. As far as I can tell he isn't crediting anybody for the original reports he is using to write his.

At least we can be thankful Mr. Van de Wille is too good to work in Canadian cycling. We're safe...for now. He doesn't want to live in Canada anymore but that won't stop him from commenting on cycling here.

When was the last time you saw a race in Canada, Paddy?

There's a newspaper here in Canada, Paddy, its advertising slogan was, "anybody can have an opinion but is it informed?"

Come by again, Paddy, and post here since you have had me banned on Pedal for reminding people of your owns words, I cannot go there. Shows you the mindset of Pedal's Editor Benjamin Sadavoy. He and Van de Wile deserve each other.
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Sir,

I am not sure why you have posted all that. I merely said he would be a good man for the job and he was quite graciously saying he is not up for it or qualified enough.

I don't think it befits someone who thinks he should have this job at the CCA to simply tarnish someone who was not doing the same to you. I presume his post was a one-time thing just to be kind enough to respond to my post about him.
There's no need for the rest of this, and I hope you can stop being so negative and focus on the positive. And also...maybe stop hogging all the posts here!

Good day.

Eddie Arzouian said:

[font=Bookman Old Style]Nice to see Patrick Van de Wille reads this forum now.

I wonder if he will come here to have me banned as he did on Pedal Forum?

He complained when I posted his own words!

Sound crazy? Well, here is proof:

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Patrick is a writer (I'm a PR/journalism guy", he wrote above) but he doesn't want anybody remembering anything he writes! Don't quote anything he writes, he won't like it.

I'm still trying to figure out how reminding the PR/journalism guy of his owns words is "trying to screw" him?

You'd think a PR/journalism guy would be very conscious of what he writes and says, but apparently that isn't the case. Some things we are supposed to take seriously, others we are to forget.

No worries, I don't take anything he writes seriously. Keep in mind this a guy who, while covering san event for Pedal Magazine in the Maritimes, got drunk and decided to go racing bikes nude around a public parking lot. He calls is "letting off steam". I would call it public indecency as would most courts.

This is apparently behaviour condone by Pedal Magazine because Van de Wille is backing "writing" race reports for them. He writes of races taking place in Europe from his home in Illinois. As far as I can tell he isn't crediting anybody for the original reports he is using to write his.

At least we can be thankful Mr. Van de Wille is too good to work in Canadian cycling. We're safe...for now. He doesn't want to live in Canada anymore but that won't stop him from commenting on cycling here.

When was the last time you saw a race in Canada, Paddy?

There's a newspaper here in Canada, Paddy, its advertising slogan was, "anybody can have an opinion but is it informed?"

Come by again, Paddy, and post here since you have had me banned on Pedal for reminding people of your owns words, I cannot go there. Shows you the mindset of Pedal's Editor Benjamin Sadavoy. He and Van de Wile deserve each other.
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I find it amusing Van de Wille would have me banned on another site and then come here to post.

As for your comment, "And also...maybe stop hogging all the posts here!", I'm not even sure what that means.

Do I stop anybody for posting anything at all they want? No, of course not. If I have things to say I will post them. You or anybody else does not have to read nor post to the thread. Since about 1000 views went to my post on the National Crit Champs, there is apparently some interest in what I have to say.

Are you now telling me I'm not allowed to post to other people threads when I have something relevant to say?

A short list was posted here. I knew the list was either very incomplete and in some cases simply not reasonable. I said so.

As for Van de Wille, I just do not like the guy. I think he is a poser. He is commenting on Canadian cycling when he hasn't been to a race in this country for five years or more (he would not admit to when he attended a race here last on Pedal). Even when he did go to races here he went mainly to just the big ones. As I said, and he admitted, he never coached, hardly rode, never organized and never worked in the industry, yet none of that stops him from offering his uninformed opinion as gospel. He writes on races in Europe as if he is there but he is writing from the US (except in one recent example it seems). I know few real journalist that would do that. You report on a race, you go to the race.

I'm not really that interested in your comments about Van de Wille. Personally, I think he's a great writer, very personable and one of the best cycling commentators I have seen. Remember him in TSN? Great stuff. But please don't reply with some rebuttals to that. It's my opinion, that's all.

I'm not sure I speak for everyone here, but I notice that 80% of the recent threads are yours. The problem is, many of us don't view this daily (although I find, now that I have a new handle, I am) so if you post three or four threads each day all the others are lost in the order. Therefore, only your threads--anti CCA stuff, mostly, o reprints of releases that are already posted on other cycling sites, are viewed. Some people only view this once a week, so the non-Ed stuf is lost to page two or three. Do you see my meaning? This forum, which is not just a "cycling politics forum", but a "cycling in Canada" forum, is now dominated with posts you have started, dealing with your own issues. So, I ask on behalf of everyone, if you decrease the amount so some of the older stuff can be viewed. If you have so much to say, then just find another site that has your own section, maybe? Have you ever though about starting your own site so your points can be heard? Up until you posted here I had never heard of you, now I have heard too much! Frankly, there's just too many threads here that belong to you. The other poster is right, it's borderline hijacking.

Good day, Sir.

Eddie Arzouian said:

I find it amusing Van de Wille would have me banned on another site and then come here to post.

As for your comment, "And also...maybe stop hogging all the posts here!", I'm not even sure what that means.

Do I stop anybody for posting anything at all they want? No, of course not. If I have things to say I will post them. You or anybody else does not have to read nor post to the thread. Since about 1000 views went to my post on the National Crit Champs, there is apparently some interest in what I have to say.

Are you now telling me I'm not allowed to post to other people threads when I have something relevant to say?

A short list was posted here. I knew the list was either very incomplete and in some cases simply not reasonable. I said so.

As for Van de Wille, I just do not like the guy. I think he is a poser. He is commenting on Canadian cycling he hasn't been to a race in this country for five years or more (he would not admit to when he attended a race here last on Pedal). Even when he did go to races here he went mainly to just the big ones. As I said, and he admitted, he never coached, hardly rode, never organized and never worked in the industry, yet none of that stops him from offeriing his uninformed opinion as gospel. He wroties on races in Eurpe as if he is ther but he is writng form the US. I know few real journalist that woud do that. You report on a race you go to the race.

You are absolutely correct, Patriik Van de Wille did a great job on his TV commentary on the Tour de France with Louis Bertrand. I have told them both the very same thing in person and publicly.

I will do so again here just so it is clear. I think his commentary on pro racing was very good.

There is along way to go from TV commentary on the Tour de France to improving the conditions of provincial racing in Canada. The two have very little in common.

Uboat said:

Good day, Sir.

I love that "Good day, Sir"! Brilliant.

Thanks again for the kind comments. I only came here to post because someone wrote some kind comments about me, and I wanted to say a hearty thank you. Beyond that I stick to the Pedal forums (www.pedalmag.com), unless Canadian Cyclist has a thread about religion then I post there impersonating God.

As far as the practice of writing little updates for a website from a remote location, it's actually the standard rather than the exception. A matter of resources more than anything. The Tour de France coverage Louis and I did was done from a studio in Montreal, and noone complained about that - par for the course. When I attend races in Europe I'm often struck by how few journalists are actually on-site, which doesn't prevent stories from appearing in As, Gazetto dello sport, l'Equipe, etc. the next day and on their websites the same day. Same goes for non-sports journalism, which is mainly a phone exercise nowadays - I place about 4 articles per week for clients, and I haven't left my desk more than a handful of times over the past five years to actually meet the journalist.

Hello Sir,

Thank you for the comments! It's great to be able to speak with you again. I just checked out the pedal forums and they look great. I really enjoy dialogue that is fair and full of knowledge from people both "in the know" and newbies. I will post there, and monitor this one until it returns to normal with some of the others back..I think they are afraid they have lost this forum now!

I have read that most journalists are key rewriters, using AP and so on as the base. Interesting comments about on site stuff. Did not know. I know Liggett and co are not often at the race, though. Do you think it matters? Apart from interviews.

I will go to Pedal then and post a bit--see you all there!

Good day Sir!

Van de Wille said:

I love that "Good day, Sir"! Brilliant.

Thanks again for the kind comments. I only came here to post because someone wrote some kind comments about me, and I wanted to say a hearty thank you. Beyond that I stick to the Pedal forums (www.pedalmag.com), unless Canadian Cyclist has a thread about religion then I post there impersonating God.

As far as the practice of writing little updates for a website from a remote location, it's actually the standard rather than the exception. A matter of resources more than anything. The Tour de France coverage Louis and I did was done from a studio in Montreal, and noone complained about that - par for the course. When I attend races in Europe I'm often struck by how few journalists are actually on-site, which doesn't prevent stories from appearing in As, Gazetto dello sport, l'Equipe, etc. the next day and on their websites the same day. Same goes for non-sports journalism, which is mainly a phone exercise nowadays - I place about 4 articles per week for clients, and I haven't left my desk more than a handful of times over the past five years to actually meet the journalist.

Yes, I do think it's better to be on-site, but it depends on the site: some big events are such chaos that you see more race on TV. There are many races where the media van simply ferries people from race start to the media tent at the finish, where they watch the race unfold on TV and dive in for interviews at the end. I never enjoyed that sort of deal. But I think by and large it's better to be on-site. Again, budgets willing.

As far as journalists being rewriters, I can tell you that while working at a large daily newspaper the main practice was to spread copies of competing dailies on the ground around one's desk, so that they'd be easier to refer to for background. I think it's an ugly practice, but it certainly does exist. When papers expect each writer to turn in 2 stories and a brief every day (as opposed to the previous average of about 3 stories per week), you get what you get. The stuff they teach in journalism school certainly doesn't help. In the US, particularly in broadcast journalism, there are some practices that would blow your mind - like running TV "reports" submitted by companies or government departments as is, with no editing and rescripting to make it sound like the newsroom produced it themselves...

Uboat said:

Hello Sir,

Thank you for the comments! It's great to be able to speak with you again. I just checked out the pedal forums and they look great. I really enjoy dialogue that is fair and full of knowledge from people both "in the know" and newbies. I will post there, and monitor this one until it returns to normal with some of the others back..I think they are afraid they have lost this forum now!

I have read that most journalists are key rewriters, using AP and so on as the base. Interesting comments about on site stuff. Did not know. I know Liggett and co are not often at the race, though. Do you think it matters? Apart from interviews.

I will go to Pedal then and post a bit--see you all there!

Good day Sir!

Great to see all the new hirings going on at the CCA. Was just at their site--

hiring for

National Road Coach

Administrative Coordinator
and they just hired a finance director.

with the marketing director spot almost complete i think we are seeing a real change at the cca!!!

great news!

Van de Wille said:

Yes, I do think it's better to be on-site, but it depends on the site: some big events are such chaos that you see more race on TV. There are many races where the media van simply ferries people from race start to the media tent at the finish, where they watch the race unfold on TV and dive in for interviews at the end. I never enjoyed that sort of deal. But I think by and large it's better to be on-site. Again, budgets willing.

As far as journalists being rewriters, I can tell you that while working at a large daily newspaper the main practice was to spread copies of competing dailies on the ground around one's desk, so that they'd be easier to refer to for background. I think it's an ugly practice, but it certainly does exist. When papers expect each writer to turn in 2 stories and a brief every day (as opposed to the previous average of about 3 stories per week), you get what you get. The stuff they teach in journalism school certainly doesn't help. In the US, particularly in broadcast journalism, there are some practices that would blow your mind - like running TV "reports" submitted by companies or government departments as is, with no editing and rescripting to make it sound like the newsroom produced it themselves...