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  1. This may have been posted in the past but I couldn't find anything on it. I
    am cursed with shorter than average fingers for a person of my size. I have
    never had this problem before but my hands are getting extremely fatigued
    because my brake levers are too far away from my fingers. I'm think part of
    the problem is because of the switch to disk brakes. My levers were a bit
    more forgiving in the past when I kept a bit of tension on them.

    Any solutions/workarounds other than getting different levers?

    FYI: These are XT integrated shifters and levers.

    Thanks,

    CG

  2. Chris Glidden said:

    This may have been posted in the past but I couldn't find anything on it. I
    am cursed with shorter than average fingers for a person of my size. I have
    never had this problem before but my hands are getting extremely fatigued
    because my brake levers are too far away from my fingers. I'm think part of
    the problem is because of the switch to disk brakes. My levers were a bit
    more forgiving in the past when I kept a bit of tension on them.

    Any solutions/workarounds other than getting different levers?

    FYI: These are XT integrated shifters and levers.

    Thanks,

    CG

    Other than switching to Avid Juicy 7's which let you adjust the reach
    (somewhat), thicker padded grips might give you another 1/4". How many
    fingers do you typically keep on the lever? I know that most people use
    one finger for disc brakes, but I prefer two. It's just more comfortable.

    Another thing you can try if you cannot find more cushier grips is to
    build them up using roadie bar tape. I have seen that done once for a
    bigger child riding a full size MTB.

    --
    o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
    www.schnauzers.ws


  3. Quoted message said:

    Other than switching to Avid Juicy 7's which let you adjust the reach
    (somewhat), thicker padded grips might give you another 1/4". How
    many fingers do you typically keep on the lever? I know that most
    people use one finger for disc brakes, but I prefer two. It's just
    more comfortable.
    Another thing you can try if you cannot find more cushier grips is to
    build them up using roadie bar tape. I have seen that done once for a
    bigger child riding a full size MTB.

    adding padding or thicker grips would increase the diameter of the bar,
    consequently making for a longer reach.

    I think he'll have the best results wih adjustable throw levers.

  4. JohnH said:
    Quoted message said:

    Other than switching to Avid Juicy 7's which let you adjust the reach
    (somewhat), thicker padded grips might give you another 1/4". How
    many fingers do you typically keep on the lever? I know that most
    people use one finger for disc brakes, but I prefer two. It's just
    more comfortable.
    Another thing you can try if you cannot find more cushier grips is to
    build them up using roadie bar tape. I have seen that done once for a
    bigger child riding a full size MTB.

    adding padding or thicker grips would increase the diameter of the bar,
    consequently making for a longer reach.

    I think he'll have the best results wih adjustable throw levers.

    Ah, I see what you mean but it worked for the kid. I guess if you have
    a wide web between your thumb and forefinger it could work

    --
    o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
    www.schnauzers.ws

  5. "JohnH" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Other than switching to Avid Juicy 7's which let you adjust the reach
    (somewhat), thicker padded grips might give you another 1/4". How
    many fingers do you typically keep on the lever? I know that most
    people use one finger for disc brakes, but I prefer two. It's just
    more comfortable.
    Another thing you can try if you cannot find more cushier grips is to
    build them up using roadie bar tape. I have seen that done once for a
    bigger child riding a full size MTB.

    adding padding or thicker grips would increase the diameter of the bar,
    consequently making for a longer reach.

    That was my thought

    Quoted message said:


    I think he'll have the best results wih adjustable throw levers.


    I don't know that I'll be able to swap out the levers without changing the
    whole configuration of shifters, etc. as they are integrated:
    http://tinyurl.com/bd24m

    CG

  6. Chris Glidden said:

    "JohnH" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Other than switching to Avid Juicy 7's which let you adjust the reach
    (somewhat), thicker padded grips might give you another 1/4". How
    many fingers do you typically keep on the lever? I know that most
    people use one finger for disc brakes, but I prefer two. It's just
    more comfortable.
    Another thing you can try if you cannot find more cushier grips is to
    build them up using roadie bar tape. I have seen that done once for a
    bigger child riding a full size MTB.

    adding padding or thicker grips would increase the diameter of the bar,
    consequently making for a longer reach.

    That was my thought

    Quoted message said:

    I think he'll have the best results wih adjustable throw levers.

    I don't know that I'll be able to swap out the levers without changing the
    whole configuration of shifters, etc. as they are integrated:
    http://tinyurl.com/bd24m

    Sh!tmano strikes again with those damn dualies. Can you get just
    replacement handles (not the entire unit) that have more of a bend? I
    was able to swap out the ones on my Hayes brakes for Razor Rock (yeh,
    old school) levers which were much more comfortable. I have small
    fingers too.

    --
    o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
    www.schnauzers.ws

  7. "Ride-A-Lot" wrote >

    Quoted message said:

    Sh!tmano strikes again with those damn dualies. Can you get just
    replacement handles (not the entire unit) that have more of a bend? I was
    able to swap out the ones on my Hayes brakes for Razor Rock (yeh, old
    school) levers which were much more comfortable. I have small fingers
    too.

    I'll check that option. Thanks brother.

    CG

    Quoted message said:


    --
    o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
    www.schnauzers.ws

  8. "Chris Glidden" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:5Lhue.13$Qo.6@fed1read01...

    Quoted message said:

    This may have been posted in the past but I couldn't find anything on it.


    I

    Quoted message said:

    am cursed with shorter than average fingers for a person of my size. I


    have

    Quoted message said:

    never had this problem before but my hands are getting extremely fatigued
    because my brake levers are too far away from my fingers. I'm think part


    of

    Quoted message said:

    the problem is because of the switch to disk brakes. My levers were a bit
    more forgiving in the past when I kept a bit of tension on them.

    Any solutions/workarounds other than getting different levers?

    FYI: These are XT integrated shifters and levers.

    Thanks,

    CG

    It's not covered in the break instalation PDF, but page three of the Front
    Drive system PDF gives reach adjustment info on page three (they call it
    "grip width"😉:
    http://bike.shimano.com/media/cycling/techdocs/en/bikecomponents/FrontDriveSystem/SI-6JJFG_v2_m56577569830558601.pdf

    The exploded view also has the reach adjustmant parts labled as part # 21

    Real intuitive manual system shimano has </sarcasam>

    Jason

  9. "slartibartfast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Chris Glidden" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:5Lhue.13$Qo.6@fed1read01...

    Quoted message said:

    This may have been posted in the past but I couldn't find anything on it.


    I

    Quoted message said:

    am cursed with shorter than average fingers for a person of my size. I


    have

    Quoted message said:

    never had this problem before but my hands are getting extremely fatigued
    because my brake levers are too far away from my fingers. I'm think part


    of

    Quoted message said:

    the problem is because of the switch to disk brakes. My levers were a
    bit
    more forgiving in the past when I kept a bit of tension on them.

    Any solutions/workarounds other than getting different levers?

    FYI: These are XT integrated shifters and levers.

    Thanks,

    CG

    It's not covered in the break instalation PDF, but page three of the Front
    Drive system PDF gives reach adjustment info on page three (they call it
    "grip width"😉:
    http://bike.shimano.com/media/cycling/techdocs/en/bikecomponents/FrontDriveSystem/SI-6JJFG_v2_m56577569830558601.pdf

    The exploded view also has the reach adjustmant parts labled as part # 21

    Real intuitive manual system shimano has </sarcasam>

    Jason


    Thanks. Hopefully this will work.

    CG

  10. On 2005-06-22, Chris Glidden penned:

    Quoted message said:

    This may have been posted in the past but I couldn't find anything
    on it. I am cursed with shorter than average fingers for a person
    of my size. I have never had this problem before but my hands are
    getting extremely fatigued because my brake levers are too far away
    from my fingers. I'm think part of the problem is because of the
    switch to disk brakes. My levers were a bit more forgiving in the
    past when I kept a bit of tension on them.

    Any solutions/workarounds other than getting different levers?

    FYI: These are XT integrated shifters and levers.

    You could try changing the angle at which they're mounted to the
    handlebars for better reach ...

    I actually think that my hands are a lot less tired since switching to
    disc.

    --
    monique

    "Get a bicycle. You will not regret it, if you live."
    -- Mark Twain

  11. Chris Glidden said:


    "JohnH" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Other than switching to Avid Juicy 7's which let you adjust the reach
    (somewhat), thicker padded grips might give you another 1/4". How
    many fingers do you typically keep on the lever? I know that most
    people use one finger for disc brakes, but I prefer two. It's just
    more comfortable.
    Another thing you can try if you cannot find more cushier grips is to
    build them up using roadie bar tape. I have seen that done once for a
    bigger child riding a full size MTB.

    adding padding or thicker grips would increase the diameter of the bar,
    consequently making for a longer reach.

    That was my thought

    Quoted message said:


    I think he'll have the best results wih adjustable throw levers.


    I don't know that I'll be able to swap out the levers without changing the
    whole configuration of shifters, etc. as they are integrated:
    http://tinyurl.com/bd24m

    CG

    Have a read of the docs. The exploded digram indicated a throw
    adjuster as a component of some of the dual controls and
    http://bike.shimano.com/media/cycling/techdocs/en/bikecomponents/FrontDriveSystem/SI-6JXFD_v2_m56577569830565033.pdf
    (possibly a different model but the exploded diagrams indicate great
    similarity between models) show the lever throw to be adjustable with
    a 2mm allen key.

    Which exact model are your shifters?
    --
    Tim.

  12. "Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote >>

    Quoted message said:


    Have a read of the docs. The exploded digram indicated a throw
    adjuster as a component of some of the dual controls and
    http://bike.shimano.com/media/cycling/techdocs/en/bikecomponents/FrontDriveSystem/SI-6JXFD_v2_m56577569830565033.pdf
    (possibly a different model but the exploded diagrams indicate great
    similarity between models) show the lever throw to be adjustable with
    a 2mm allen key.

    Which exact model are your shifters?
    --
    Tim.

    I read them. The problem is once I get the levers into a comfortable
    position not braking, when I put full force on them they hit the fingers
    that are holding onto the bar. It will take a little trial and error before
    I get them right. Thanks for the research Tim.

    CG

  13. "Monique Y. Mudama" <[email hidden]> wrote >

    Quoted message said:

    You could try changing the angle at which they're mounted to the
    handlebars for better reach ...

    I actually think that my hands are a lot less tired since switching to
    disc.

    --
    monique

    Once I get them adjusted appropriately I think I will be there too. Thanks
    Monique.

    CG

  14. Chris Glidden said:

    "Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote >>

    Quoted message said:


    Have a read of the docs. The exploded digram indicated a throw
    adjuster as a component of some of the dual controls and
    http://bike.shimano.com/media/cycling/techdocs/en/bikecomponents/FrontDriveSystem/SI-6JXFD_v2_m56577569830565033.pdf
    (possibly a different model but the exploded diagrams indicate great
    similarity between models) show the lever throw to be adjustable with
    a 2mm allen key.

    Which exact model are your shifters?
    --
    Tim.

    I read them. The problem is once I get the levers into a comfortable
    position not braking, when I put full force on them they hit the fingers
    that are holding onto the bar.

    Move the levers inboard on the bar. A gap of an inch or more between
    the end of the grip and the lever clamp is not unusual. Most shops set
    the levers up to close to the grip. With two fingers on the lever, the
    end of the lever should line up with the split just beyond the
    ringfinger (which is holding the grip). If the lever is inboard enough,
    the lever should not overlap the fingers that hold the grip.

    Quoted message said:

    It will take a little trial and error before
    I get them right.

    So many adjustments ... But Shimano put out a dvd that covered the set
    up ... check with your lbs. Shimano passed it out to alot of team
    mechanics last year, and sent it out to any shop that requested it.

    R

  15. <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Move the levers inboard on the bar. A gap of an inch or more between
    the end of the grip and the lever clamp is not unusual. Most shops set
    the levers up to close to the grip. With two fingers on the lever, the
    end of the lever should line up with the split just beyond the
    ringfinger (which is holding the grip). If the lever is inboard enough,
    the lever should not overlap the fingers that hold the grip.

    Quoted message said:

    It will take a little trial and error before
    I get them right.

    So many adjustments ... But Shimano put out a dvd that covered the set
    up ... check with your lbs. Shimano passed it out to alot of team
    mechanics last year, and sent it out to any shop that requested it.

    R


    I actually did move the levers in a bit, I'll try moving them a bit more to
    see if that helps.

    Thanks,

    CG

  16. Chris Glidden said:

    This may have been posted in the past but I couldn't find anything on it. I
    am cursed with shorter than average fingers for a person of my size. I have
    never had this problem before but my hands are getting extremely fatigued
    because my brake levers are too far away from my fingers. I'm think part of
    the problem is because of the switch to disk brakes. My levers were a bit
    more forgiving in the past when I kept a bit of tension on them.

    Any solutions/workarounds other than getting different levers?

    FYI: These are XT integrated shifters and levers.

    As others have said, you're basically hosed on the "integrated thing".
    Of course, you could always sell the STI shift/brake levers and buy
    separates.

    If you DID decide to do that, there are plenty of levers that offer
    adjustable position (including XT, XTR, and Tektro Quartz).

    Mark Hickey
    Habanero Cycles
    http://www.habcycles.com
    Home of the $695 ti frame

  17. On 2005-06-22, Chris Glidden penned:

    Quoted message said:


    "Monique Y. Mudama" <[email hidden]> wrote >

    Quoted message said:

    You could try changing the angle at which they're mounted to the
    handlebars for better reach ...

    I actually think that my hands are a lot less tired since switching
    to disc.

    -- monique

    Once I get them adjusted appropriately I think I will be there too.
    Thanks Monique.

    Good luck! I'd love to get my shifters and brake levers both closer
    to my hands, but it seems like if I get one close enough, the other is
    too far away. And the levers are already adjusted to be as close as
    possible. I have the same problem on my motorcycle ...

    Ah, well.

    I've noticed more and more people lately who swear by grip shifts. A
    racer who was teaching a clinic a few weeks ago had them ... she said
    her hands are too small for any of the other approaches. Just one
    more idea ... if you only had to worry about having brake levers
    close in, maybe it would be easier to find a sweet spot ...

    --
    monique

    "Get a bicycle. You will not regret it, if you live."
    -- Mark Twain

  18. "Ride-A-Lot" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Chris Glidden said:

    This may have been posted in the past but I couldn't find anything on


    it. I

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    am cursed with shorter than average fingers for a person of my size. I


    have

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    never had this problem before but my hands are getting extremely


    fatigued

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    because my brake levers are too far away from my fingers. I'm think


    part of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the problem is because of the switch to disk brakes. My levers were a


    bit

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    more forgiving in the past when I kept a bit of tension on them.

    Any solutions/workarounds other than getting different levers?

    FYI: These are XT integrated shifters and levers.

    Thanks,

    CG

    Other than switching to Avid Juicy 7's which let you adjust the reach
    (somewhat),

    Yep, that feature is one reason why I finally switched to hydraulic disk
    brakes.

    Quoted message said:

    thicker padded grips might give you another 1/4".

    Wouldn't that reduce by 1/4" or whatever?

    Greg

  19. Question: why are you holding your fingers on the brake lever when you
    aren't braking??

    No matter how close or far the levers are, I would find that tiring.
    When you're just riding along, hold the bar. You only need to move your
    fingers off the bar and touch the lever when you want to brake (and in
    your case, to shift).

  20. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Question: why are you holding your fingers on the brake lever when you
    aren't braking??

    No matter how close or far the levers are, I would find that tiring.
    When you're just riding along, hold the bar. You only need to move your
    fingers off the bar and touch the lever when you want to brake (and in
    your case, to shift).


    I guess it would depend on the type of terrain you are riding. The type of
    trails I ride typically require you have quick braking response. It has
    become habit over the past decade or so of riding to keep two fingers on my
    levers for this quick response, hand fatigue has never been an issue in the
    past. Now, if I were riding a mellow, graded bike path this would be less
    of a concern. However, since this is not the case I do need to find a
    solution as I value the continued health of my body far to much.

    CG

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