shoe: motion control vs. stability?

"Jeffrey Johnson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Hello,,,,I am looing for some shoe clarification. First of all I am very asthmatic(exercise
induced) so I can run about 2miles tops which I do

every

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day.

Ever heard of Ventolin? Get to a doctor, idiot. People die from asthma, yet it's *so easy*
to control.

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I am a neutral runner(and was also told this by a running shoe store clerk who took me outside).

And his training in biomechanical analysis was...?

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I am thinking of investing in some good cushion shoes and have always used new balance and was
considering the 991GL. I originally thought of the 1022 but the 991 fits so much better. However
since it is a "stability" shoe will it ruin or harm my joints since I dont need stability?

Not really, it's just a lot more shoe than you need.

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The 1022 I thought of because it is strictly cushioning. I guess I get confused with stability and
motion control which I am sure I dont need. If it matters I am 36 and weigh about 150lbs.

Go for a lightweight trainer. Most are for neutral runners, or slight pronators.

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Incidentally running has helped my asthma so much though I can only do about 2 miles. I live in
Atlanta and my goal is to try for the peachtree 2005!! Thanks for any assitance on the shoes.

Get your asthma sorted and you'll be running 10ks by June. On the other hand, you could invest a
fortune in running shoes and wait until you induce a *really* serious attack. Then you'll never need
to trouble me again.

Roger. <I only get annoyed 'cause I care

Jeffrey Johnson said:

Hello,,,,I am looing for some shoe clarification. First of all I am very asthmatic(exercise
induced) so I can run about 2miles tops which I do every day. I am a neutral runner(and was also
told this by a running shoe store clerk who took me outside). I am thinking of investing in some
good cushion shoes and have always used new balance and was considering the 991GL. I originally
thought of the 1022 but the 991 fits so much better. However since it is a "stability" shoe will
it ruin or harm my joints since I dont need stability? The 1022 I thought of because it is
strictly cushioning. I guess I get confused with stability and motion control which I am sure I
dont need. If it matters I am 36 and weigh about 150lbs. Incidentally running has helped my asthma
so much though I can only do about 2 miles. I live in Atlanta and my goal is to try for the
peachtree 2005!! Thanks for any assitance on the shoes.

Stability shoes are generally considered the most neutral. Cushioned shoes are generally for people
with rigid feet or underpronators, stability for near neutral, and motion control for overpronators.
Stability shoes do have some devices to keep the foot pointed forward, but not nearly as rigid as
motion control shoes may be. Some have some cushioning or shock absorption also. If the 991 fits
best, I'm guessing that's probably the best choice for you.

Good luck.

Dot

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"Success is different things to different people" -Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

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Hello,,,,I am looing for some shoe clarification. First of all I am very asthmatic(exercise
induced) so I can run about 2miles tops which I do every day. I am a neutral runner(and was also
told this by a running shoe store clerk who took me outside). I am thinking of investing in some
good cushion

Check other factors to confirm this: wear patterns on shoes, wet foot test, arches, etc.

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shoes and have always used new balance and was considering the 991GL. I originally thought of the
1022 but the 991 fits so much better. However since it is a "stability" shoe will it ruin or harm
my joints since I dont need stability? The 1022 I thought of because it is strictly cushioning. I

Ultimately, comfort trumps everything else, IMO. I've never looked seriously at the 991 so can't say
much about it.

BTW, unless you're injury-prone, wearing a shoe that's classified as "stability" isn't catestrophic.
The divisions are somewhat arbitrary anyway. I've seen shoes classified as "cushioning" that are
pretty stiff, and also a lot of very soft "cushioning" shoes.

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guess I get confused with stability and motion control which I am sure I dont need. If it matters
I am 36 and weigh about 150lbs. Incidentally running has helped my asthma so much though I can
only do about 2 miles. I live in Atlanta and my goal is to try for the peachtree 2005!! Thanks for
any assitance on the shoes.

I agree with Roger -- at your weight, you could look at the lighter shoes. Here's a starting point:

NB : 831 Mizuno: Wave Rider/Precision Asics: Gel Verdict/DS Trainer

Cheers,
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Donovan Rebbechi pegasus.rutgers.edu~elflordOpen ↗

If you're an under pronator (i.e. supinator) like me, you need cushioning shoes. That said, I use
the New Balance 751 (now the 752) and they're great. I've used the New Balance 830 (now the 831),
but find that they're almost too lightweight and I start hurting (I weigh 142 lbs) after 10 - 12 km.
I too have asthma, but it's mild and I just need to carry my inhaler just in case.

"Jeffrey Johnson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Hello,,,,I am looing for some shoe clarification. First of all I am very asthmatic(exercise
induced) so I can run about 2miles tops which I do

every

Quoted message said:

day. I am a neutral runner(and was also told this by a running shoe store clerk who took me
outside). I am thinking of investing in some good

cushion

Quoted message said:

shoes and have always used new balance and was considering the 991GL. I originally thought of the
1022 but the 991 fits so much better. However since it is a "stability" shoe will it ruin or harm
my joints since I dont need stability? The 1022 I thought of because it is strictly cushioning. I
guess I get confused with stability and motion control which I am sure I dont need. If it matters
I am 36 and weigh about 150lbs. Incidentally running has helped my asthma so much though I can
only do about 2 miles. I live in Atlanta and my goal is to try for the peachtree 2005!! Thanks for
any assitance on the shoes.

I take the strongest Advair on the market. I need to use Proventil at about 2-3 miles. Thanks for
the information.

"Roger Hunter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Jeffrey Johnson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Hello,,,,I am looing for some shoe clarification. First of all I am very asthmatic(exercise
induced) so I can run about 2miles tops which I do

every

Quoted message said:

day.

Ever heard of Ventolin? Get to a doctor, idiot. People die from

asthma,

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yet it's *so easy* to control.

Quoted message said:

I am a neutral runner(and was also told this by a running shoe store clerk who took me outside).

And his training in biomechanical analysis was...?

Quoted message said:

I am thinking of investing in some good cushion shoes and have always used new balance and was
considering the 991GL. I originally thought of the 1022 but the 991 fits so much better. However
since it is a "stability" shoe will it ruin or harm my joints since I

dont

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need stability?

Not really, it's just a lot more shoe than you need.

Quoted message said:

The 1022 I thought of because it is strictly cushioning. I guess I get confused with stability
and motion control which I am sure I dont need. If it matters I am 36 and weigh about 150lbs.

Go for a lightweight trainer. Most are for neutral runners, or slight pronators.

Quoted message said:

Incidentally running has helped my asthma so much though I can only do about 2 miles.

I

Quoted message said:

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live in Atlanta and my goal is to try for the peachtree 2005!! Thanks

for

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

any assitance on the shoes.

Get your asthma sorted and you'll be running 10ks by June. On the other hand, you could invest a
fortune in running shoes and wait until you

induce

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a *really* serious attack. Then you'll never need to trouble me again.

Roger. <I only get annoyed 'cause I care

"Jeffrey Johnson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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I take the strongest Advair on the market. I need to use Proventil at

about

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2-3 miles.

My dear fellow, if you still suffer EIA on your current drug regime, then your asthma is not well
controlled and your treatment protocol needs to be reviewed. May I respectfully suggest that you
schedule a visit to a consultant in respiratory medicine, advise him of your running aims, and tell
him to sort you out. If he can't get you to the stage where you can run five or six miles without
discomfort, you should re-assess your exercise programme and consider substituting swimming in place
of running. I'm sure you're aware that swimming is the exercise of choice for asthmatics.

Best of luck.

Roger.

Couple of asthma tips. Exercise induced asthma is generally caused by 'irritations' to your
bronchial tree, such as colder air entering as you breath harder (like when you go from hot to cold
and get tight), plus more allergens etc. getting into your lungs. A couple of ways to help the
asthma is to improve your lung function so you don't have to breath so hard - swimming is very good
for this. I haven't tried them myself, but the commercial lung trainers might be a good idea.
Secondly, try to stop irritation to your lungs buy breathing in through your nose and out through
your mouth - although if you're anything like me (asthma and hayfever), that's easier said than
done! For some reason, I know not why, being outside a lot helps my asthma - might be the same for
you. It's possible that allergens in the house (dust mites, skin, etc.) set me off, you might have
something similar.

Good luck, and stick at it. Sport has really healped my chest and can probably do the same for you.

Dave (.... who isn't qualified at anything in particular, so keep close contact with your doc /
asthma clinic)

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Ever heard of Ventolin? Get to a doctor, idiot. People die from asthma, yet it's *so easy*
to control.

I was thinking the same thing, there's also the new class of drugs like Singulair.

Bill R.

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Jeffrey,

I will have to agree with Roger - get yourself to a respiratory specialist that will get your asthma
in control. I have EIA, and when I first started running, I could only do about 5 minutes on the
treadmill. I went to a specialist who told me that if I took my albuterol 15 minutes prior to
exercising [and he adjusted the dose of my corticosteroid], I would be able to run more comfortably.
My persistence in sticking with the running and gradually increasing time and distance over three
years have built up my conditioning, to the point that I am T-1 week to my first marathon next
Sunday. I am also taking less than half the dosage of my corticosteroid than when I was first
started. So, get yourself to a specialist and take control of your asthma!

Ab

"Jeffrey Johnson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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I take the strongest Advair on the market. I need to use Proventil at

about

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2-3 miles. Thanks for the information.

"Roger Hunter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Jeffrey Johnson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Hello,,,,I am looing for some shoe clarification. First of all I am

very

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asthmatic(exercise induced) so I can run about 2miles tops which I do

every

Quoted message said:

day.

Ever heard of Ventolin? Get to a doctor, idiot. People die from

asthma,

Quoted message said:

yet it's *so easy* to control.

Quoted message said:

I am a neutral runner(and was also told this by a running shoe store clerk who took me
outside).

And his training in biomechanical analysis was...?

Quoted message said:

I am thinking of investing in some good cushion shoes and have always used new balance and was
considering the 991GL.

I

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originally thought of the 1022 but the 991 fits so much better.

However

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since it is a "stability" shoe will it ruin or harm my joints since I

dont

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need stability?

Not really, it's just a lot more shoe than you need.

Quoted message said:

The 1022 I thought of because it is strictly cushioning. I guess I get confused with stability
and motion control which I am sure

I

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dont need. If it matters I am 36 and weigh about 150lbs.

Go for a lightweight trainer. Most are for neutral runners, or slight pronators.

Quoted message said:

Incidentally running has helped my asthma so much though I can only do about 2

miles.

Quoted message said:

I

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live in Atlanta and my goal is to try for the peachtree 2005!! Thanks

for

Quoted message said:

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any assitance on the shoes.

Get your asthma sorted and you'll be running 10ks by June. On the

other

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hand, you could invest a fortune in running shoes and wait until you

induce

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a *really* serious attack. Then you'll never need to trouble me again.

Roger. <I only get annoyed 'cause I care>

I really dont see the point in calling me an idiot. I have asthma. I go to a doctor. He prescribes
what he prescribes. My crappy HMO only covers certain drugs. I am sure I am not the first person
to get asthma while running. I am sure I am not the first person who gets denied newer class of
drugs because it is more expensive for an HMO. etc. etc......Thanks to those responding with shoe
answers though.

"Bill-always hard-Rodgers " <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Ever heard of Ventolin? Get to a doctor, idiot. People die from

asthma,

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yet it's *so easy* to control.

I was thinking the same thing, there's also the new class of drugs like Singulair.

Bill R.

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Thanks....I had though about taking proventil before I ran but my doctor said I can only have 2
inhalations every 8 hours and I didnt want to "waste" them on a non-attack. I do think he is wrong
because I have read of people using proventil as a preventitive for an attack......I will try for a
couple of weeks and see how I do. Thanks again,,,,,,

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Jeffrey,

I will have to agree with Roger - get yourself to a respiratory specialist that will get your
asthma in control. I have EIA, and when I first started running, I could only do about 5 minutes
on the treadmill. I went to a specialist who told me that if I took my albuterol 15 minutes prior
to exercising [and he adjusted the dose of my corticosteroid], I would be

able

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to run more comfortably. My persistence in sticking with the running and gradually increasing time
and distance over three years have built up my conditioning, to the point that I am T-1 week to my
first marathon next Sunday. I am also taking less than half the dosage of my corticosteroid

than

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when I was first started. So, get yourself to a specialist and take

control

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of your asthma!

Ab

"Jeffrey Johnson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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I take the strongest Advair on the market. I need to use Proventil at

about

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2-3 miles. Thanks for the information.

"Roger Hunter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Jeffrey Johnson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Hello,,,,I am looing for some shoe clarification. First of all I am

very

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> asthmatic(exercise induced) so I can run about 2miles tops which I

do

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every
> day.

Ever heard of Ventolin? Get to a doctor, idiot. People die from

asthma,

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yet it's *so easy* to control.

> I am a neutral runner(and was also told this by a running shoe store clerk who took me
> outside).

And his training in biomechanical analysis was...?

> I am thinking of investing in some good cushion shoes and have always used new balance and
> was considering the

991GL.

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I

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> originally thought of the 1022 but the 991 fits so much better.

However

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> since it is a "stability" shoe will it ruin or harm my joints since

I

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dont

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> need stability?

Not really, it's just a lot more shoe than you need.

> The 1022 I thought of because it is strictly cushioning. I guess I get confused with
> stability and motion control which I am

sure

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I

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> dont need. If it matters I am 36 and weigh about 150lbs.

Go for a lightweight trainer. Most are for neutral runners, or

slight

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pronators.

> Incidentally running has helped my asthma so much though I can only do about 2

miles.

Quoted message said:

I

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> live in Atlanta and my goal is to try for the peachtree 2005!!

Thanks

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for

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> any assitance on the shoes.

Get your asthma sorted and you'll be running 10ks by June. On the

other

Quoted message said:

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hand, you could invest a fortune in running shoes and wait until you

induce

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a *really* serious attack. Then you'll never need to trouble me

again.

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Roger. <I only get annoyed 'cause I care>

Give the guy a break. It was that dipshit Roger who started this by calling him an idiot.

[email hidden] (Bill-always hard-Rodgers ) wrote in message
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I really dont see the point in calling me an idiot.

Well now you truly are an an idiot, because I didn't write that part of the quote. I quoted your
faux Dr friend Roger Hunter, it was HE who called you an idiot, idiot. BTW, your "nowhere.com"
addy gives your true ID away. I mean at least put some effort into it next time, you do a
disservice to imposters everywhere being so obvious.

Bill R.

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"Bill-always hard-Rodgers " <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Give the guy a break. It was that dipshit Roger who started this by calling him an idiot.

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I know, that's what I was pointing out to him. I'm innocent, innocent I tell ya!

Boys, boys, calm down! Let me explain.

Asthma varies from mild to truly debilitating. EIA is asthma brought on by exertion, usually
exercise. EIA is relatively easy to control, via the appropriate medication prior to the
commencement of exercise. Jeff states in his original post that he has asthma induced by exercise,
and that he can run for about two miles - roughly the time that mild EIA would kick in, so symptoms
fit patient's diagnosis. I then suggest that he is an idiot. Why? Well, mild EIA can be easily
controlled via medication. If he knew he had EIA - which he did - then he should have taken steps to
ensure he didn't expose himself to the risk of a severe attack by ensuring that he was prescribed
the appropriate drug. His SECOND post then advises us that he is already on a high dose drug regime,
and not just for EIA. Picture changes. Seems no-one has taken the time - or if they have he wasn't
listening - to explain to Jeff the range and function of drugs for asthma. Put simply, there are
classes of drugs that prevent asthma occurring, and there are those that relieve an attack when it
does occur. Again - put simply - preventers are taken on a daily basis for the remainder of your
life (although there have been rumblings of a vaccine! Hooray!) and relievers are taken on an 'as
required' basis. HOWEVER, if you are regularly using a 'reliever', you should have your asthma
reviewed to ensure that a 'preventer' wouldn't be more appropriate. Simple?

Now, if anyone posts here that they have a potentially life threatening condition, yet appears
to know as little about it as Jeff, I reserve the right to continue to call them an 'idiot'.
I'll also call you an 'idiot' if I dislike the content or tone of your post, if you use poor
grammar or punctuation, if you disagree with me on any subject and if you fail to find me
entertaining. OK? Good!

Roger.