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  1. Armstrong Aide: I Saw Banned Substance

    By JIM VERTUNO
    AP Sports Writer
    Published March 31, 2005, 2:13 PM CST

    AUSTIN, Texas -- A former personal assistant to Lance Armstrong filed
    court papers Thursday alleging that he discovered a banned substance in
    the six-time Tour de France winner's apartment early last year.

    Mike Anderson, who is involved in a legal fight with Armstrong over
    alleged promises the cyclist made to help Anderson start a bike shop,
    made the claim in a brief filed in state district court. The brief does
    not say whether Anderson saw Armstrong take any banned substances.

    Armstrong, who has won a record six consecutive Tours, has maintained
    that he is drug-free. The cancer survivor frequently notes he is one of
    the most drug-tested athletes in the world.

    A representative for Armstrong referred all questions to the cyclist's
    attorney, Timothy Herman, who declined immediate comment because he
    hasn't seen the brief. Armstrong is in Europe, where he finished 24th
    at the Paris-Camembert race Tuesday.

    Anderson, who says he had a key to Armstrong's apartment in Girona,
    Spain, alleges he was cleaning the bathroom in "early 2004" when he
    found a white box labeled "like any other prescription drug" but that
    did not have a doctor's prescription attached.

    Written on the box was the trademark name "Androstenine, or something
    very close to this," Anderson said.

    "He went to the computer, looked it up on the WADA or USADA Web
    site(s), and confirmed that what he had found was an androgen, a listed
    banned substance," Anderson's court brief states, referring to the
    World Anti-Doping Agency and the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency.

    Anderson said he put the box back where he found it. Fearing he would
    be fired, he said he did not confront Armstrong about it. He said he
    looked for the box again after Armstrong left Girona to train in the
    Canary Islands, but didn't find it.

    "He was torn about what to do. He's an honest guy opposed to doping in
    sports," said Anderson's attorney, Hal Gillespie. "(But) he was sure
    that if he confronted, he would be fired. He's got a wife and young
    child, no money and a long way from home."

    Gillespie said Anderson did not see Armstrong taking any steroids or
    other banned substances.

    Anderson's brief also said he and Armstrong had a discussion in 2004
    about cyclists who dope and claimed Armstrong told him, "Everyone does
    it."

    Gillespie said that conversation took place before Anderson allegedly
    found the steroid. The lawyer also said he plans to depose Armstrong.

    Anderson said he believes Armstrong knew about the alleged discovery
    because their relationship began to deteriorate almost immediately.

    Anderson said he was working as a mechanic at a local bike store when
    he met Armstrong more than four years ago. They became friends, often
    riding together, and Anderson regularly worked on Armstrong's bikes
    before becoming his personal assistant in November 2002.

    Anderson said he was paid about $3,000 a month for duties that ranged
    from building bike trails on Armstrong's Hill Country property to doing
    his grocery shopping in Spain. He says he developed a close
    relationship with Armstrong and his family.

    Anderson said he was fired in November 2004 after asking for, and
    getting, a $500 a month raise. He said Armstrong's representatives
    offered him a severance package totaling $7,000.

    Armstrong and his personal service company, Luke David LLC, sued
    Anderson about a month later, claiming Anderson demanded Armstrong pay
    him $500,000, give him a signed Tour de France jersey and future
    endorsements to help him set up his own bike shop.

    Anderson countersued, accusing the cyclist of fraud, breach of contract
    and causing him severe emotional distress. Anderson says an e-mail
    Armstrong sent to offer him the job promised the help and should be
    considered a binding contract.

    Anderson said Armstrong also demanded he sign a confidentiality
    agreement that would have held him liable for up to $1 million in
    damages.

    Thursday's filing was because the court wanted more details in support
    of Anderson's claim.

  2. Wow. I know Hal Gillespie. Hal is a very, very good lawyer. Not so sure
    what doping has to do with a bike shop. Sounds to me right now like sour
    grapes.

    I will call Hal and ask for a copy of the brief.
    "crit PRO" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Armstrong Aide: I Saw Banned Substance

    By JIM VERTUNO
    AP Sports Writer
    Published March 31, 2005, 2:13 PM CST

    AUSTIN, Texas -- A former personal assistant to Lance Armstrong filed
    court papers Thursday alleging that he discovered a banned substance in
    the six-time Tour de France winner's apartment early last year.

    Mike Anderson, who is involved in a legal fight with Armstrong over
    alleged promises the cyclist made to help Anderson start a bike shop,
    made the claim in a brief filed in state district court. The brief does
    not say whether Anderson saw Armstrong take any banned substances.

    Armstrong, who has won a record six consecutive Tours, has maintained
    that he is drug-free. The cancer survivor frequently notes he is one of
    the most drug-tested athletes in the world.

    A representative for Armstrong referred all questions to the cyclist's
    attorney, Timothy Herman, who declined immediate comment because he
    hasn't seen the brief. Armstrong is in Europe, where he finished 24th
    at the Paris-Camembert race Tuesday.

    Anderson, who says he had a key to Armstrong's apartment in Girona,
    Spain, alleges he was cleaning the bathroom in "early 2004" when he
    found a white box labeled "like any other prescription drug" but that
    did not have a doctor's prescription attached.

    Written on the box was the trademark name "Androstenine, or something
    very close to this," Anderson said.

    "He went to the computer, looked it up on the WADA or USADA Web
    site(s), and confirmed that what he had found was an androgen, a listed
    banned substance," Anderson's court brief states, referring to the
    World Anti-Doping Agency and the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency.

    Anderson said he put the box back where he found it. Fearing he would
    be fired, he said he did not confront Armstrong about it. He said he
    looked for the box again after Armstrong left Girona to train in the
    Canary Islands, but didn't find it.

    "He was torn about what to do. He's an honest guy opposed to doping in
    sports," said Anderson's attorney, Hal Gillespie. "(But) he was sure
    that if he confronted, he would be fired. He's got a wife and young
    child, no money and a long way from home."

    Gillespie said Anderson did not see Armstrong taking any steroids or
    other banned substances.

    Anderson's brief also said he and Armstrong had a discussion in 2004
    about cyclists who dope and claimed Armstrong told him, "Everyone does
    it."

    Gillespie said that conversation took place before Anderson allegedly
    found the steroid. The lawyer also said he plans to depose Armstrong.

    Anderson said he believes Armstrong knew about the alleged discovery
    because their relationship began to deteriorate almost immediately.

    Anderson said he was working as a mechanic at a local bike store when
    he met Armstrong more than four years ago. They became friends, often
    riding together, and Anderson regularly worked on Armstrong's bikes
    before becoming his personal assistant in November 2002.

    Anderson said he was paid about $3,000 a month for duties that ranged
    from building bike trails on Armstrong's Hill Country property to doing
    his grocery shopping in Spain. He says he developed a close
    relationship with Armstrong and his family.

    Anderson said he was fired in November 2004 after asking for, and
    getting, a $500 a month raise. He said Armstrong's representatives
    offered him a severance package totaling $7,000.

    Armstrong and his personal service company, Luke David LLC, sued
    Anderson about a month later, claiming Anderson demanded Armstrong pay
    him $500,000, give him a signed Tour de France jersey and future
    endorsements to help him set up his own bike shop.

    Anderson countersued, accusing the cyclist of fraud, breach of contract
    and causing him severe emotional distress. Anderson says an e-mail
    Armstrong sent to offer him the job promised the help and should be
    considered a binding contract.

    Anderson said Armstrong also demanded he sign a confidentiality
    agreement that would have held him liable for up to $1 million in
    damages.

    Thursday's filing was because the court wanted more details in support
    of Anderson's claim.

  3. crit PRO said:

    Armstrong Aide: I Saw Banned Substance

    By JIM VERTUNO
    AP Sports Writer
    Published March 31, 2005, 2:13 PM CST

    AUSTIN, Texas -- A former personal assistant to Lance Armstrong filed
    court papers Thursday alleging that he discovered a banned substance


    in

    Quoted message said:

    the six-time Tour de France winner's apartment early last year.

    Mike Anderson, who is involved in a legal fight with Armstrong over
    alleged promises the cyclist made to help Anderson start a bike shop,
    made the claim in a brief filed in state district court. The brief


    does

    Quoted message said:

    not say whether Anderson saw Armstrong take any banned substances.

    Armstrong, who has won a record six consecutive Tours, has maintained
    that he is drug-free. The cancer survivor frequently notes he is one


    of

    Quoted message said:

    the most drug-tested athletes in the world.

    A representative for Armstrong referred all questions to the


    cyclist's

    Quoted message said:

    attorney, Timothy Herman, who declined immediate comment because he
    hasn't seen the brief. Armstrong is in Europe, where he finished 24th
    at the Paris-Camembert race Tuesday.

    Anderson, who says he had a key to Armstrong's apartment in Girona,
    Spain, alleges he was cleaning the bathroom in "early 2004" when he
    found a white box labeled "like any other prescription drug" but that
    did not have a doctor's prescription attached.

    Written on the box was the trademark name "Androstenine, or something
    very close to this," Anderson said.

    "He went to the computer, looked it up on the WADA or USADA Web
    site(s), and confirmed that what he had found was an androgen, a


    listed

    Quoted message said:

    banned substance," Anderson's court brief states, referring to the
    World Anti-Doping Agency and the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency.

    Anderson said he put the box back where he found it. Fearing he would
    be fired, he said he did not confront Armstrong about it. He said he
    looked for the box again after Armstrong left Girona to train in the
    Canary Islands, but didn't find it.

    "He was torn about what to do. He's an honest guy opposed to doping


    in

    Quoted message said:

    sports," said Anderson's attorney, Hal Gillespie. "(But) he was sure
    that if he confronted, he would be fired. He's got a wife and young
    child, no money and a long way from home."

    Gillespie said Anderson did not see Armstrong taking any steroids or
    other banned substances.

    Anderson's brief also said he and Armstrong had a discussion in 2004
    about cyclists who dope and claimed Armstrong told him, "Everyone


    does

    Quoted message said:

    it."

    Gillespie said that conversation took place before Anderson allegedly
    found the steroid. The lawyer also said he plans to depose Armstrong.

    Anderson said he believes Armstrong knew about the alleged discovery
    because their relationship began to deteriorate almost immediately.

    Anderson said he was working as a mechanic at a local bike store when
    he met Armstrong more than four years ago. They became friends, often
    riding together, and Anderson regularly worked on Armstrong's bikes
    before becoming his personal assistant in November 2002.

    Anderson said he was paid about $3,000 a month for duties that ranged
    from building bike trails on Armstrong's Hill Country property to


    doing

    Quoted message said:

    his grocery shopping in Spain. He says he developed a close
    relationship with Armstrong and his family.

    Anderson said he was fired in November 2004 after asking for, and
    getting, a $500 a month raise. He said Armstrong's representatives
    offered him a severance package totaling $7,000.

    Armstrong and his personal service company, Luke David LLC, sued
    Anderson about a month later, claiming Anderson demanded Armstrong


    pay

    Quoted message said:

    him $500,000, give him a signed Tour de France jersey and future
    endorsements to help him set up his own bike shop.

    Anderson countersued, accusing the cyclist of fraud, breach of


    contract

    Quoted message said:

    and causing him severe emotional distress. Anderson says an e-mail
    Armstrong sent to offer him the job promised the help and should be
    considered a binding contract.

    Anderson said Armstrong also demanded he sign a confidentiality
    agreement that would have held him liable for up to $1 million in
    damages.

    Thursday's filing was because the court wanted more details in


    support

    Quoted message said:

    of Anderson's claim.

    Geez, you gotta be kidding. Talk about your unfounded, unproveable
    accusation.

  4. By not real I mean it was over the counter [censored] that Mcquire
    took..Way to "catch" him.

    RVD

  5. Steroids are the last thing a tested athlete would take. Most of those
    stay in the system way too long compared to efficacy length of the drug
    and are easily detectable.

  6. Ain't know way Lance is/was stupid enough to use 'androstendione' (sp?)
    aka 'andro' or even have it in his house in '2004.

    Aside from the fact that it's illegal, it's been shown to be
    practically worthless as a performance enhancer.

  7. Scott said:
    crit PRO said:

    Armstrong Aide: I Saw Banned Substance

    By JIM VERTUNO
    AP Sports Writer
    Published March 31, 2005, 2:13 PM CST

    AUSTIN, Texas -- A former personal assistant to Lance Armstrong


    filed

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    court papers Thursday alleging that he discovered a banned


    substance

    Quoted message said:

    in

    Quoted message said:

    the six-time Tour de France winner's apartment early last year.

    Mike Anderson, who is involved in a legal fight with Armstrong over
    alleged promises the cyclist made to help Anderson start a bike


    shop,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    made the claim in a brief filed in state district court. The brief


    does

    Quoted message said:

    not say whether Anderson saw Armstrong take any banned substances.

    Armstrong, who has won a record six consecutive Tours, has


    maintained

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    that he is drug-free. The cancer survivor frequently notes he is


    one

    Quoted message said:

    of

    Quoted message said:

    the most drug-tested athletes in the world.

    A representative for Armstrong referred all questions to the


    cyclist's

    Quoted message said:

    attorney, Timothy Herman, who declined immediate comment because he
    hasn't seen the brief. Armstrong is in Europe, where he finished


    24th

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    at the Paris-Camembert race Tuesday.

    Anderson, who says he had a key to Armstrong's apartment in Girona,
    Spain, alleges he was cleaning the bathroom in "early 2004" when he
    found a white box labeled "like any other prescription drug" but


    that

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    did not have a doctor's prescription attached.

    Written on the box was the trademark name "Androstenine, or


    something

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    very close to this," Anderson said.

    "He went to the computer, looked it up on the WADA or USADA Web
    site(s), and confirmed that what he had found was an androgen, a


    listed

    Quoted message said:

    banned substance," Anderson's court brief states, referring to the
    World Anti-Doping Agency and the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency.

    Anderson said he put the box back where he found it. Fearing he


    would

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    be fired, he said he did not confront Armstrong about it. He said


    he

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    looked for the box again after Armstrong left Girona to train in


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Canary Islands, but didn't find it.

    "He was torn about what to do. He's an honest guy opposed to doping


    in

    Quoted message said:

    sports," said Anderson's attorney, Hal Gillespie. "(But) he was


    sure

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    that if he confronted, he would be fired. He's got a wife and young
    child, no money and a long way from home."

    Gillespie said Anderson did not see Armstrong taking any steroids


    or

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    other banned substances.

    Anderson's brief also said he and Armstrong had a discussion in


    2004

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    about cyclists who dope and claimed Armstrong told him, "Everyone


    does

    Quoted message said:

    it."

    Gillespie said that conversation took place before Anderson


    allegedly

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    found the steroid. The lawyer also said he plans to depose


    Armstrong.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Anderson said he believes Armstrong knew about the alleged


    discovery

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    because their relationship began to deteriorate almost immediately.

    Anderson said he was working as a mechanic at a local bike store


    when

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    he met Armstrong more than four years ago. They became friends,


    often

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    riding together, and Anderson regularly worked on Armstrong's bikes
    before becoming his personal assistant in November 2002.

    Anderson said he was paid about $3,000 a month for duties that


    ranged

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    from building bike trails on Armstrong's Hill Country property to


    doing

    Quoted message said:

    his grocery shopping in Spain. He says he developed a close
    relationship with Armstrong and his family.

    Anderson said he was fired in November 2004 after asking for, and
    getting, a $500 a month raise. He said Armstrong's representatives
    offered him a severance package totaling $7,000.

    Armstrong and his personal service company, Luke David LLC, sued
    Anderson about a month later, claiming Anderson demanded Armstrong


    pay

    Quoted message said:

    him $500,000, give him a signed Tour de France jersey and future
    endorsements to help him set up his own bike shop.

    Anderson countersued, accusing the cyclist of fraud, breach of


    contract

    Quoted message said:

    and causing him severe emotional distress. Anderson says an e-mail
    Armstrong sent to offer him the job promised the help and should be
    considered a binding contract.

    Anderson said Armstrong also demanded he sign a confidentiality
    agreement that would have held him liable for up to $1 million in
    damages.

    Thursday's filing was because the court wanted more details in


    support

    Quoted message said:

    of Anderson's claim.

    Geez, you gotta be kidding. Talk about your unfounded, unproveable
    accusation.

    Definitely smells like the old "Give me money and I'll shut up and go
    away" lawsuit. He said/she said, can't prove any of it one way or the
    other. Reeks of pay me off or I'll make false accusations. Hey Jose's
    making big bucks off of it, why not try to grab some for himself. Great
    work as long as you have no problem with acting like a scumbag, and a
    little extortion.
    Bill C

  8. Scott said:
    crit PRO said:

    Armstrong Aide: I Saw Banned Substance

    By JIM VERTUNO
    AP Sports Writer
    Published March 31, 2005, 2:13 PM CST

    AUSTIN, Texas -- A former personal assistant to Lance Armstrong


    filed

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    court papers Thursday alleging that he discovered a banned


    substance

    Quoted message said:

    in

    Quoted message said:

    the six-time Tour de France winner's apartment early last year.

    Mike Anderson, who is involved in a legal fight with Armstrong over
    alleged promises the cyclist made to help Anderson start a bike


    shop,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    made the claim in a brief filed in state district court. The brief


    does

    Quoted message said:

    not say whether Anderson saw Armstrong take any banned substances.

    Armstrong, who has won a record six consecutive Tours, has


    maintained

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    that he is drug-free. The cancer survivor frequently notes he is


    one

    Quoted message said:

    of

    Quoted message said:

    the most drug-tested athletes in the world.

    A representative for Armstrong referred all questions to the


    cyclist's

    Quoted message said:

    attorney, Timothy Herman, who declined immediate comment because he
    hasn't seen the brief. Armstrong is in Europe, where he finished


    24th

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    at the Paris-Camembert race Tuesday.

    Anderson, who says he had a key to Armstrong's apartment in Girona,
    Spain, alleges he was cleaning the bathroom in "early 2004" when he
    found a white box labeled "like any other prescription drug" but


    that

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    did not have a doctor's prescription attached.

    Written on the box was the trademark name "Androstenine, or


    something

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    very close to this," Anderson said.

    "He went to the computer, looked it up on the WADA or USADA Web
    site(s), and confirmed that what he had found was an androgen, a


    listed

    Quoted message said:

    banned substance," Anderson's court brief states, referring to the
    World Anti-Doping Agency and the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency.

    Anderson said he put the box back where he found it. Fearing he


    would

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    be fired, he said he did not confront Armstrong about it. He said


    he

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    looked for the box again after Armstrong left Girona to train in


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Canary Islands, but didn't find it.

    "He was torn about what to do. He's an honest guy opposed to doping


    in

    Quoted message said:

    sports," said Anderson's attorney, Hal Gillespie. "(But) he was


    sure

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    that if he confronted, he would be fired. He's got a wife and young
    child, no money and a long way from home."

    Gillespie said Anderson did not see Armstrong taking any steroids


    or

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    other banned substances.

    Anderson's brief also said he and Armstrong had a discussion in


    2004

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    about cyclists who dope and claimed Armstrong told him, "Everyone


    does

    Quoted message said:

    it."

    Gillespie said that conversation took place before Anderson


    allegedly

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    found the steroid. The lawyer also said he plans to depose


    Armstrong.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Anderson said he believes Armstrong knew about the alleged


    discovery

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    because their relationship began to deteriorate almost immediately.

    Anderson said he was working as a mechanic at a local bike store


    when

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    he met Armstrong more than four years ago. They became friends,


    often

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    riding together, and Anderson regularly worked on Armstrong's bikes
    before becoming his personal assistant in November 2002.

    Anderson said he was paid about $3,000 a month for duties that


    ranged

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    from building bike trails on Armstrong's Hill Country property to


    doing

    Quoted message said:

    his grocery shopping in Spain. He says he developed a close
    relationship with Armstrong and his family.

    Anderson said he was fired in November 2004 after asking for, and
    getting, a $500 a month raise. He said Armstrong's representatives
    offered him a severance package totaling $7,000.

    Armstrong and his personal service company, Luke David LLC, sued
    Anderson about a month later, claiming Anderson demanded Armstrong


    pay

    Quoted message said:

    him $500,000, give him a signed Tour de France jersey and future
    endorsements to help him set up his own bike shop.

    Anderson countersued, accusing the cyclist of fraud, breach of


    contract

    Quoted message said:

    and causing him severe emotional distress. Anderson says an e-mail
    Armstrong sent to offer him the job promised the help and should be
    considered a binding contract.

    Anderson said Armstrong also demanded he sign a confidentiality
    agreement that would have held him liable for up to $1 million in
    damages.

    Thursday's filing was because the court wanted more details in


    support

    Quoted message said:

    of Anderson's claim.

    Geez, you gotta be kidding. Talk about your unfounded, unproveable
    accusation.

    Definitely smells like the old "Give me money and I'll shut up and go
    away" lawsuit. He said/she said, can't prove any of it one way or the
    other. Reeks of pay me off or I'll make false accusations. Hey Jose's
    making big bucks off of it, why not try to grab some for himself. Great
    work as long as you have no problem with acting like a scumbag, and a
    little extortion.
    Bill C

  9. Quoted message said:

    Androstenine

    If you plug this into a search engine, one of the hits
    you get is a forum at love-scent.com.

    Bob Schwartz
    [email hidden]

  10. "Scott" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    crit PRO wrote:

    Geez, you gotta be kidding. Talk about your unfounded, unproveable
    accusation.

    Look at the [censored] who posted it. He doesn't even know what the hell he's
    talking about and isn't smart enough to look it up.

  11. "B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Until recently there was little out of competition testing. If you want a
    good discussion of how it was done, look at Willey Voet's Breaking The
    Chain.

    Which was what - 7 years ago? With an entirely different peloton? "If it was
    true then it MUST be true now!!!" The only [censored] bigger than crit [censored] is
    you.

  12. what? "used by women to turn men on"? Is a women asking you to take
    andro? embarrassing pause....or "used by women", as in a women taking
    andro
    and growing a beard and getting a deep voice, either way pretty weird.
    androstenedione is an androgen, technically it is a steroidal
    precurser, a few steps up the line from DHEA, they are both naturally
    occuring hormones.
    It can be converted to Testosterone, but at very low levels, and is
    not a very effective performance enhancing drug, but it is illegal in
    most sports. So is DHEA.
    It would be good if you were training had and had unnaturally low
    levels of test, which is common with endurance athletes.
    But, and I'm not a Lance fan, there is no way in hell, the multi-
    million dollar man is gonna put some $10 a bottle GNC supplement
    into his body and risk losing everything.
    If Lance IS on drugs, and I'm not saying there is anything wrong with
    that, he is on some super new top secret undetectable and unknown
    drug, developed by an underground guru, that would probably
    involve improving his oxygen carrying and transport capabilities
    WITHOUT thickening the blood or raising the hematocrit.
    maybe lasting only a few hours in the system, like PFC,
    or just plain undetectable.
    Ah, cycling, such a beautiful sport.

  13. Quoted message said:

    what? "used by women to turn men on"? Is a women asking you to take
    andro? embarrassing pause....or "used by women", as in a women taking
    andro
    and growing a beard and getting a deep voice, either way pretty


    weird.

    i wasn't sure what kunich was saying, but i guess he means this

    (Androstenon(e?) not Androstendione)

    http://www.wishing.com/attractwomen/

    some pheromone type boolsha

  14. "Philip W. Moore, Jr." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Tom,

    Unfortunately, this is a real lawsuit. I know the lawyer representing
    this
    Anderson fellow. His name is Hal Gillespie. Hal helped me raise money
    for
    my boss' bid for Texas Supreme Court. I know Hal to be an extremely
    competent and honorable plaintiffs' employment lawyer. In fact, Hal is
    the
    best plaintiffs' lawyer in Texas, hands down.

    This Anderson guy could be a leach that couldn't get enough of Lance's
    blood. Or he could be a complete piece of [censored] with a good sob story. I
    don't know.

    Lance is a hero of mine. But heroes are not infalliable. I just hope
    Lance
    isn't really a doper. But there sure as hell seems to be a lot of people
    out there saying he is.

    -Philip

    Philip,

    There were a lot of people out there saying Iraq had WMDs. Apparently, that
    didn't make it so.

    Also, even a good attorney could be talked into taking a fishing trip if the
    trophy might be the deep pockets of Lance Armstrong. Maybe you pal Hal just
    wants to test the waters, just in case.

    In the USA, anybody can sue anybody else for anything. The fact that a suit
    is filed means absolutely nothing with regard to truth.

    --
    Bob C.

    "Of course it hurts. The trick is not minding that it hurts."
    T. E. Lawrence (of Arabia)

  15. "psycholist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    "Philip W. Moore, Jr." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Tom,

    Unfortunately, this is a real lawsuit. I know the lawyer representing
    this
    Anderson fellow. His name is Hal Gillespie. Hal helped me raise money
    for
    my boss' bid for Texas Supreme Court. I know Hal to be an extremely
    competent and honorable plaintiffs' employment lawyer. In fact, Hal is
    the
    best plaintiffs' lawyer in Texas, hands down.

    This Anderson guy could be a leach that couldn't get enough of Lance's
    blood. Or he could be a complete piece of [censored] with a good sob story. I
    don't know.

    Lance is a hero of mine. But heroes are not infalliable. I just hope
    Lance
    isn't really a doper. But there sure as hell seems to be a lot of people
    out there saying he is.

    -Philip

    Philip,

    There were a lot of people out there saying Iraq had WMDs. Apparently,
    that didn't make it so.

    Also, even a good attorney could be talked into taking a fishing trip if
    the trophy might be the deep pockets of Lance Armstrong. Maybe you pal
    Hal just wants to test the waters, just in case.

    There are many good attorneys who are starving attorneys and many less than
    good ones who are millionaires. A successful attorney knows how to pick his
    cases for success. In this case, Armstrong commenced the action and the
    defendant hired an attorney who Philip says it tops in his area of
    expertise, employment law as opposed to someone doing PI law. Armstrong's
    deposition transcript should make interesting reading. When the time comes,
    it will hopefully be posted on rbr for all to enjoy.

    Quoted message said:


    In the USA, anybody can sue anybody else for anything. The fact that a
    suit is filed means absolutely nothing with regard to truth.

    Right you are. The fact that Armstrong started this litigation means little
    as to the truth of his claim.

    Quoted message said:


    --
    Bob C.

    "Of course it hurts. The trick is not minding that it hurts."
    T. E. Lawrence (of Arabia)

  16. psycholist said:

    In the USA, anybody can sue anybody else for anything. The fact that a suit
    is filed means absolutely nothing with regard to truth.

    This guy doesn't even remember exactly what it was he saw. Even if
    he is being absolutely truthful, it doesn't mean anything with
    regard to the truth.

    [censored] hitting the fan is an accurate characterization except there
    ain't any [censored] and no fan but other than that it's dead on.

    Bob Schwartz
    [email hidden]

  17. B. Lafferty said:
    Quoted message said:

    Armstrong's deposition transcript
    should make interesting reading.

    Compared to watching paint dry, that is probably true.

  18. "B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    "B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    Until recently there was little out of competition testing. If you want
    a good discussion of how it was done, look at Willey Voet's Breaking The
    Chain.

    Which was what - 7 years ago? With an entirely different peloton? "If it
    was true then it MUST be true now!!!" The only [censored] bigger than crit
    [censored] is you.

    Once again you either missed the point or are arguing disingenuously.

    The point was to give the original poster the background to the means of
    beating drug tests; means that have worked quite well up to the present.
    This is why the UCI and WADA have called for increased out of competition
    testing. That increased testing is a recent phenomenon. Consider the
    post-Festina words of Johan Museeuw to his treating veterinarian, "A
    wasp's nest, can you work one out? I'm leaving on Wednesday evening for a
    training camp. I have no test until 28/7." (text message to Jos Landuty,
    July 2, 2003)

    I have news for you idiots - anabolic steroids leave traces in your skin and
    hair. But I'm sure that you have this really clever way to time beat that -
    after all, as gay as Lafferty sounds sometimes he probably shaves his ass
    too so no one can find the traces of "Androstenine, or something very close
    to this," .

    HAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAAAAA!! By the way Brian, don't stop too
    quickly because you'll have reggie's nose up your ass. But since he's been
    kissing it anyway perhaps you're used to it by now.

  19. "Myfirstname Mylastname" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    it's hard to find good help. maybe he could pay bob roll to do all that
    kinda stuff.

    You got it. That's about all that Roll [censored] is good for;

    Cleaning sh!thouses

    Hey, isn't everyone impressed? Some anonymous dental hygenist is making fun
    of Bob Roll. Isn't that hilarious? Now all you need to do is crack some
    Rolling Stone lines about President Bush and you'll really wow Magilla and
    Lafferty.

  20. "Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    "B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    >
    > Until recently there was little out of competition testing. If you
    > want a good discussion of how it was done, look at Willey Voet's
    > Breaking The Chain.

    Which was what - 7 years ago? With an entirely different peloton? "If it
    was true then it MUST be true now!!!" The only [censored] bigger than crit
    [censored] is you.

    Once again you either missed the point or are arguing disingenuously.

    The point was to give the original poster the background to the means of
    beating drug tests; means that have worked quite well up to the present.
    This is why the UCI and WADA have called for increased out of competition
    testing. That increased testing is a recent phenomenon. Consider the
    post-Festina words of Johan Museeuw to his treating veterinarian, "A
    wasp's nest, can you work one out? I'm leaving on Wednesday evening for a
    training camp. I have no test until 28/7." (text message to Jos Landuty,
    July 2, 2003)

    I have news for you idiots - anabolic steroids leave traces in your skin
    and hair. But I'm sure that you have this really clever way to time beat
    that - after all, as gay as Lafferty sounds sometimes he probably shaves
    his ass too so no one can find the traces of "Androstenine, or something
    very close to this," .

    I love it when you've lost thread of the argument and blow smoke out of your
    butt. The reality (an intersting concept in your case) is that riders have
    successfully timed their drug use, including steroids, for years. And Tom,
    they test by urine (and now blood) in professional cycling, not by skin and
    hair. It's also my understanding that hair tests do not detect steroid
    use--at least that's what the football team was told at the high school I'm
    familiar with.

    Quoted message said:


    HAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAAAAA!! By the way Brian, don't stop too
    quickly because you'll have reggie's nose up your ass. But since he's been
    kissing it anyway perhaps you're used to it by now.

    It's really fun to see people get under your skin.

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