Shipping Charges Rip-off?

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Quoted message said:

I recently bought a set of 650c wheels and was told by the vendor that because they were oversize,
shipping was more. So I say ok, whatever, pay $35 to send two boxes by UPS. Yesterday I sold and
shipped via FedEx a set of 700c wheels, ironically, to a person in the same town where I'd gotten
the 650's and the charge was $11.04. Is the difference due to different shipper or one of those
things like electronic equipment where a vendor may have a low price and then get it back via
exorbitant shipping? Seems like the vendor would get better rates based on volume. Any vendors
want to comment on this? Jude? bill g

Shipping charges are just that - charges by the shipper to send you the item. This includes third
party charges like UPS, as well as packing, packing materials, and intangibles like employee time,
benefits and other overhead. Not many vendors really know what these intangibles really cost so
charge what the market will bare. You are the market. It pays to shop around.

When you ship to an individual, you probably don't go out and buy a shipping container and foam
peanuts or consider the cost of the scales to weigh the item or the computer needed to produce the
UPS shipping ticket.

--

Cletus D. Lee Bacchetta Giro Lightning Voyager clee.orgclee.orgOpen ↗
- Bellaire, TX USA -

Yesterday I got a quote to ship one 650c wheel with a Hub motor laced into it to Oregon and was told
if I sent it as a private citizen the charge was $151. USD and no guarantee someone in shipping
won't bounce it off a wall, but if I sent it on my Business account the charge drops to $70.03 and
it is insured, plus all the documentation is free....but it takes 7 business days. The $151. rate is
for 48 hour delivery. The company point was, private citizens are demading immediate (48 hour)
gratification and are willing to pay a premium for the service. Shop around for a better deal is a
good idea too, even try the USPS (the folks with SMGs).
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Quoted message said:

I recently bought a set of 650c wheels and was told by the vendor that because they were oversize,
shipping was more. So I say ok, whatever, pay $35 to send two boxes by UPS. Yesterday I sold and
shipped via FedEx a set of 700c wheels, ironically, to a person in the same town where I'd gotten
the 650's and the charge was $11.04. Is the difference due to different shipper or one of those
things like electronic equipment where a vendor may have a low price and then get it back via
exorbitant shipping? Seems like the vendor would get better rates based on volume. Any vendors
want to comment on this? Jude? bill g

Bill, I sent a Vision VR-40 dual/susp UPS to Seattle and with 1K in insurance it was $85 bucks. If
this was a S/H charge its not realyy that bad...depending on how far it was shipped. UPS has OS1
AND OS2 (oversize) a wheel box for 2 wheels is pretty standard size and is not even close. The
Bacchetta seat and wheel box is an OS1 so you get an idea of how big you gotta be. So his OS stuff
IMO is pure BS.

Jude....///Bacchetta AERO St. Michaels and Tilghman Island.. Maryland Wheel Doctor Cycle and Sports,
Inc 1-800-586-6645 "bg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I recently bought a set of 650c wheels and was told by the vendor that because they were oversize,
shipping was more. So I say ok, whatever, pay $35 to send two boxes by UPS. Yesterday I sold and
shipped via FedEx a set of 700c wheels, ironically, to a person in the same town where I'd gotten
the 650's and the charge was $11.04. Is the difference due to different shipper or one of those
things like electronic equipment where a vendor may have a low price and then get it back via
exorbitant shipping? Seems like the vendor would get better rates based on volume. Any vendors
want to comment on this? Jude? bill g

You have to remember on E-Bay, that you pay a total cost of bid plus shipping.

Many listers seem to have inflated (or at least "seems high to me"😉 shipping costs. They are listed
right there on the bid page details.

It does seem to be a ploy of some listers to inflate the shipping costs. There was a MTB wheelset
recently for $50. This looks like a good deal, until you see the $24 shipping costs. That changes it
to a so-so deal.

As always "Caveat Emptor"

--
Miles of Smiles,

Tom Blum Winter Haven, Florida (remove "nospam" to reply) Homebuilts: SWB Tour Easy Clone Speed
Machine Clone

www.gate.net/~teblum

Tom, Bill used the term vendor, so I assume that he purchased the wheels from some sorta dealer.
Additionally, the UPS rates that frequent shippers get are less than what the general public gets.
Also if you ship thru an "Authorized UPS Shipper" like MBE you get to pay an additional charge.

Jude....///Bacchetta AERO St. Michaels and Tilghman Island.. Maryland Wheel Doctor Cycle and Sports,
Inc 1-800-586-6645 "Tom Blum" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

You have to remember on E-Bay, that you pay a total cost of bid plus shipping.

Many listers seem to have inflated (or at least "seems high to me"😉

shipping

Quoted message said:

costs. They are listed right there on the bid page details.

It does seem to be a ploy of some listers to inflate the shipping costs. There was a MTB wheelset
recently for $50. This looks like a good deal, until you see the $24 shipping costs. That changes
it to a so-so deal.

As always "Caveat Emptor"

--
Miles of Smiles,

Tom Blum Winter Haven, Florida (remove "nospam" to reply) Homebuilts: SWB Tour Easy Clone Speed
Machine Clone

www.gate.net/~teblum

Tom, Bill used the term vendor, so I assume that he purchased the wheels from some sorta dealer.
Additionally, the UPS rates that frequent shippers get are less than what the general public gets.
Also if you ship thru an "Authorized UPS Shipper" like MBE you get to pay an additional charge.

The listing I refered to was a dealer. He stated he had 50 sets of these wheels. My point is that
you can make money in the shipping business as well as the selling business. Total cost, as
delivered, it the real mcCoy.

Bill's fears are correct. The seller is probably making money on the shipping portion of the bill.

Tom

Cletus, Yeah, I see your point. But FedEx never mentioned "oversize" or odd shaped box issue (like
the USPS did once, wanting a $30 "funny box fee"(1)). So maybe FedEx has different "oversize"
criteria than UPS. And I rely on FedEx or whatever shipper to provide the scales. Regardless of what
I tell 'em they're gonna weigh it. bill g
(1) Why I *NEVER EVER* use the USPS for shipping

Cletus Lee said:

\ Shipping charges are just that - charges by the shipper to send you the item. This includes third
party charges like UPS, as well as packing, packing materials, and intangibles like employee time,
benefits and other overhead. Not many vendors really know what these intangibles really cost so
charge what the market will bare. You are the market. It pays to shop around.

When you ship to an individual, you probably don't go out and buy a shipping container and foam
peanuts or consider the cost of the scales to weigh the item or the computer needed to produce the
UPS shipping ticket.

--

Cletus D. Lee Bacchetta Giro Lightning Voyager clee.orgclee.orgOpen ↗
- Bellaire, TX USA -

Wile, $151 seems high but from where to where and how much did it weigh? I can get up to 150lbs
shipped free and up to 300lbs for $85 from an auto supplier I use. And 2nd day air for $10 per 20
lbs, 3-day was $52 for 6lbs of wheels. bill g

Wile E.Coyote said:

Yesterday I got a quote to ship one 650c wheel with a Hub motor laced into it to Oregon and was
told if I sent it as a private citizen the charge was $151. USD and no guarantee someone in
shipping won't bounce it off a wall, but if I sent it on my Business account the charge drops to
$70.03 and it is insured, plus all the documentation is free....but it takes 7 business days. The
$151. rate is for 48 hour delivery. The company point was, private citizens are demading immediate
(48 hour) gratification and are willing to pay a premium for the service. Shop around for a better
deal is a good idea too, even try the USPS (the folks with SMGs).
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Quoted message said:

I recently bought a set of 650c wheels and was told by the vendor that because they were
oversize, shipping was more. So I say ok, whatever, pay $35 to send two boxes by UPS. Yesterday
I sold and shipped via FedEx a set of 700c wheels, ironically, to a person in the same town
where I'd gotten the 650's and the charge was $11.04. Is the difference due to different shipper
or one of those things like electronic equipment where a vendor may have a low price and then
get it back via exorbitant shipping? Seems like the vendor would get better rates based on
volume. Any vendors want to comment on this? Jude? bill g

Yeah, what I thought. bg

Jude T. McGloin said:

Bill, I sent a Vision VR-40 dual/susp UPS to Seattle and with 1K in insurance it was $85 bucks. If
this was a S/H charge its not realyy that bad...depending on how far it was shipped. UPS has OS1
AND OS2 (oversize) a wheel box for 2 wheels is pretty standard size and is not even close. The
Bacchetta seat and wheel box is an OS1 so you get an idea of how big you gotta be. So his OS stuff
IMO is pure BS.

Jude....///Bacchetta AERO St. Michaels and Tilghman Island.. Maryland Wheel Doctor Cycle and
Sports, Inc 1-800-586-6645 "bg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I recently bought a set of 650c wheels and was told by the vendor that because they were
oversize, shipping was more. So I say ok, whatever, pay $35 to send two boxes by UPS. Yesterday
I sold and shipped via FedEx a set of 700c wheels, ironically, to a person in the same town
where I'd gotten the 650's and the charge was $11.04. Is the difference due to different shipper
or one of those things like electronic equipment where a vendor may have a low price and then
get it back via exorbitant shipping? Seems like the vendor would get better rates based on
volume. Any vendors want to comment on this? Jude? bill g

To clarify, *OTOH* 3-day was $52 for 6lbs of wheels

a&b said:

Wile, $151 seems high but from where to where and how much did it weigh? I can get up to 150lbs
shipped free and up to 300lbs for $85 from an auto supplier I use. And 2nd day air for $10 per 20
lbs, 3-day was $52 for 6lbs of wheels. bill g

Wile E.Coyote said:

Yesterday I got a quote to ship one 650c wheel with a Hub motor laced into it to Oregon and was
told if I sent it as a private citizen the charge was $151. USD and no guarantee someone in
shipping won't bounce it off a wall, but if I sent it on my Business account the charge drops to
$70.03 and it is insured, plus all the documentation is free....but it takes 7 business days.
The $151. rate is for 48 hour delivery. The company point was, private citizens are demading
immediate (48 hour) gratification and are willing to pay a premium for the service. Shop around
for a better deal is a good idea too, even try the USPS (the folks with SMGs).
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"bg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I recently bought a set of 650c wheels and was told by the vendor that because they were
oversize, shipping was more. So I say ok, whatever, pay $35 to send two boxes by UPS.
Yesterday I sold and shipped via FedEx a set of 700c wheels, ironically, to a person in the
same town where I'd gotten the 650's and the charge was $11.04. Is the difference due to
different shipper or one of those things like electronic equipment where a vendor may have a
low price and then get it back via exorbitant shipping? Seems like the vendor would get better
rates based on volume. Any vendors want to comment on this? Jude? bill g

And what the vendor may not understand is I won't be back to get re-boinked ;-) bg

Tom Blum said:

Tom, Bill used the term vendor, so I assume that he purchased the wheels from some sorta dealer.
Additionally, the UPS rates that frequent shippers get are less than what the general public gets.
Also if you ship thru an "Authorized UPS Shipper" like MBE you get to pay an additional charge.

The listing I refered to was a dealer. He stated he had 50 sets of these wheels. My point is that
you can make money in the shipping business as well as the selling business. Total cost, as
delivered, it the real mcCoy.

Bill's fears are correct. The seller is probably making money on the shipping portion of the bill.

Tom

"bg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I recently bought a set of 650c wheels and was told by the vendor that because they were oversize,
shipping was more. So I say ok, whatever, pay $35 to send two boxes by UPS. Yesterday I sold and
shipped via FedEx a set of 700c wheels, ironically, to a person in the same town where I'd gotten
the 650's and the charge was $11.04. Is the difference due to different shipper or one of those
things like electronic equipment where a vendor may have a low price and then get it back via
exorbitant shipping? Seems like the vendor would get better rates based on volume. Any vendors
want to comment on this? Jude? bill g

I used to work for UPS, they are very strict about box sizing

22 lbs. Toronto to Oregon. Dimensions @ 12" X 28" X 28". The buyer can live with the cost, I just
felt weird having to charge a fellow bent rider this much $. The US gov't. recently added a Fuel Tax
surcharge (energy crisis was the excuse), then trucks get slowed down & stopped up to 6 hours at the
US/Can border (which just happened to be a coincidence in timing) re: that it followed our Prime
Minister's secretary calling Pres.Bush a Moron. Now the truckers get tested for SARS and that slows
it down again.
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Quoted message said:

Wile, $151 seems high but from where to where and how much did it weigh? I can get up to 150lbs
shipped free and up to 300lbs for $85 from an auto supplier I use. And 2nd day air for $10 per 20
lbs, 3-day was $52 for 6lbs of wheels. bill g

Wile E.Coyote said:

Yesterday I got a quote to ship one 650c wheel with a Hub motor laced

into

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

it to Oregon and was told if I sent it as a private citizen the charge

was

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

$151. USD and no guarantee someone in shipping won't bounce it off a

wall,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

but if I sent it on my Business account the charge drops to $70.03 and

it is

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

insured, plus all the documentation is free....but it takes 7 business

days.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The $151. rate is for 48 hour delivery. The company point was, private citizens are demading
immediate (48 hour) gratification and are willing

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

pay a premium for the service. Shop around for a better deal is a good

idea

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

too, even try the USPS (the folks with SMGs).
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"bg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I recently bought a set of 650c wheels and was told by the vendor that because they were
oversize, shipping was more. So I say ok, whatever, pay $35 to send two boxes by UPS.
Yesterday I sold and shipped via FedEx a set of 700c wheels,

ironically,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

to a person in the same town where I'd gotten the 650's and the charge was $11.04. Is the
difference due to different shipper or one of those things like electronic equipment where a
vendor may have a low price and then get

it

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back via exorbitant shipping? Seems like the vendor would get better rates based on volume.
Any vendors want to comment on this? Jude? bill g

As others here have noted, most vendors mark up the actual fee they pay to the shipping service. In
fact, most mark up the fee *you* would pay to the shipping service.

Have said that, though, FedEx does seem to be quite a bit cheaper than UPS. (Sample data: one
shipped bicycle)

--
Greg Dunn

"bg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I recently bought a set of 650c wheels and was told by the vendor that because they were oversize,
shipping was more. So I say ok, whatever, pay $35 to send two boxes by UPS. Yesterday I sold and
shipped via FedEx a set of 700c wheels, ironically, to a person in the same town where I'd gotten
the 650's and the charge was $11.04. Is the difference due to different shipper or one of those
things like electronic equipment where a vendor may have a low price and then get it back via
exorbitant shipping? Seems like the vendor would get better rates based on volume. Any vendors
want to comment on this? Jude? bill g

Oh, well in that case I can see why given the exceptional circumstances and border crossing. My wife
bought some kind of antique corner hutch/cabinet from Belgium last Oct. It was in a crate that was
30" X 30"X 72" and 2nd-day air shipping was $500. I thought that was a bargain. Of course it didn't
make it in 2 cause customs, I guess, crowbarred apart one end to see if it was a Pershing missle or
a box of dope or something. bill g

Wile E.Coyote said:

22 lbs. Toronto to Oregon. Dimensions @ 12" X 28" X 28". The buyer can live with the cost, I just
felt weird having to charge a fellow bent rider this much $. The US gov't. recently added a Fuel
Tax surcharge (energy crisis was the excuse), then trucks get slowed down & stopped up to 6 hours
at the US/Can border (which just happened to be a coincidence in timing) re: that it followed our
Prime Minister's secretary calling Pres.Bush a Moron. Now the truckers get tested for SARS and
that slows it down again.
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"a&b" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Wile, $151 seems high but from where to where and how much did it weigh? I can get up to 150lbs
shipped free and up to 300lbs for $85 from an auto supplier I use. And 2nd day air for $10 per
20 lbs, 3-day was $52 for 6lbs of wheels. bill g

Wile E.Coyote said:

Yesterday I got a quote to ship one 650c wheel with a Hub motor laced

into

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

it to Oregon and was told if I sent it as a private citizen the charge

was

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

$151. USD and no guarantee someone in shipping won't bounce it off a

wall,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

but if I sent it on my Business account the charge drops to $70.03 and

it is

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

insured, plus all the documentation is free....but it takes 7 business

days.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The $151. rate is for 48 hour delivery. The company point was, private citizens are demading
immediate (48 hour) gratification and are willing

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

pay a premium for the service. Shop around for a better deal is a good

idea

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

too, even try the USPS (the folks with SMGs).
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"bg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
> I recently bought a set of 650c wheels and was told by the vendor that because they were
> oversize, shipping was more. So I say ok, whatever, pay $35 to send two boxes by UPS.
> Yesterday I sold and shipped via FedEx a set of 700c wheels,

ironically,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> to a person in the same town where I'd gotten the 650's and the charge was $11.04. Is the
> difference due to different shipper or one of those things like electronic equipment where a
> vendor may have a low price and then get

it

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> back via exorbitant shipping? Seems like the vendor would get better rates based on volume.
> Any vendors want to comment on this? Jude? bill g

I ship or recieve a lot of heavy, expensive audio equipment and have learned a few things the hard
way. FedEx is the best and cheapest. They are my first choice. Let me qualify that since there is a
FedEx employee staffed shipping center near me. If you use a third party such as the old Mail Boxes
Excreta then buyer beware.

A friend in NH shipped me (CA) a $4000 digital preamp brand new in the factory double box. His wife
took it to Mail Boxes Excreta and paid $80+ to have it shipped insured ground UPS. Of course I
reimbursed them. I checked the UPS site and found the charges would only be $30 total with
insurance. That was $50 to sit on a box until the UPS man picked it up. The local MBE refused to
respond to any of my letters. When I contacted corporate MBE the response was their franchisees are
able to charge whatever they want and can get away with. I received no satisfaction from several
email exchanges with MBE customer service.

It has recently come to my attention that MBE was and still is owned and operated by UPS. Some
stores are undergoing a logo and sign change. But I now avoid UPS whenever the shipping method is my
choice. They have lost a lot of business from me. Also, when I compare prices FedEx wins by a
significant amount every time.

I am sure some of you have FedEx horror stories to tell but they are my first, second, and third
choice and UPS is avoid if at all possible.

bg <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

I recently bought a set of 650c wheels and was told by the vendor that because they were oversize,
shipping was more. So I say ok, whatever, pay $35 to send two boxes by UPS. Yesterday I sold and
shipped via FedEx a set of 700c wheels, ironically, to a person in the same town where I'd gotten
the 650's and the charge was $11.04. Is the difference due to different shipper or one of those
things like electronic equipment where a vendor may have a low price and then get it back via
exorbitant shipping? Seems like the vendor would get better rates based on volume. Any vendors
want to comment on this? Jude? bill g

I have shipped recumbent wheels via US Priority mail all over the US and the last set I took to the
post office the counter person charged me $17 less than I've ever been charged before. Same thing
happened at UPS on a bike recently. Go figure, have I been paying too much or did I just get a break
on a couple of items.

Kelly

Boy do I ever agree about MailButtholes. In a moment of desperation while on a cross stste ride I
shipped some dirty laundry and a bad tent home. They were outrageous. It's like "boutique
shipping". bill g

Don said:

I ship or recieve a lot of heavy, expensive audio equipment and have learned a few things the hard
way. FedEx is the best and cheapest. They are my first choice. Let me qualify that since there is
a FedEx employee staffed shipping center near me. If you use a third party such as the old Mail
Boxes Excreta then buyer beware.

A friend in NH shipped me (CA) a $4000 digital preamp brand new in the factory double box. His
wife took it to Mail Boxes Excreta and paid $80+ to have it shipped insured ground UPS. Of course
I reimbursed them. I checked the UPS site and found the charges would only be $30 total with
insurance. That was $50 to sit on a box until the UPS man picked it up. The local MBE refused to
respond to any of my letters. When I contacted corporate MBE the response was their franchisees
are able to charge whatever they want and can get away with. I received no satisfaction from
several email exchanges with MBE customer service.

It has recently come to my attention that MBE was and still is owned and operated by UPS. Some
stores are undergoing a logo and sign change. But I now avoid UPS whenever the shipping method is
my choice. They have lost a lot of business from me. Also, when I compare prices FedEx wins by a
significant amount every time.

I am sure some of you have FedEx horror stories to tell but they are my first, second, and third
choice and UPS is avoid if at all possible.

a&b said:

Boy do I ever agree about MailButtholes. In a moment of desperation while on a cross stste ride I
shipped some dirty laundry and a bad tent home. They were outrageous. It's like "boutique
shipping".

Bill,

Are you sure the extra charge was not for handling biohazard material? 😉

Tom Sherman - Various HPV's Quad Cities USA (Illinois side)