Cycling Equipment · Public discussion

Shimano or Campy?

Started by ianhargreaves · · Last activity · 12 posts · 1,230 views

← Back to Cycling Equipment

Thread navigation

Jump through the discussion

Go to the original post, the replies on this page, or the latest preserved contribution.

01 / Original postShimano or Campy?ianhargreaves · 24 Jul 2006 02 / This pagePosts 1–12Page 1 of 1 · chronological order 03 / Latest replyPost #12Bro Deal · 27 Jul 2006

Thread details

What we know about this thread

Original section
Cycling Equipment
Published
24 July 2006
Last activity
27 July 2006
Original author
ianhargreaves
Posts
12
Discussion status
Public discussion
Total views
1,230
Views / 30 days
0
Topics
CampagnoloRear derailleursSteel framesJan Ullrich

The navigation and discussion metadata provide context. Posts remain in their original chronological order.

Showing posts 1–12 of 12
Posts remain in their original chronological order.

Text size
  1. Original post
    ianhargreaves
    Archived post
    #1

    Yes, that age old question. I currently ride a Trek1200 with a Tiragra Groupset and am considering the move the Bianchi.
    Asthetics aside which group set on the whole does the better job (pound for pound)? I spoke to loads of people comparing Tiagra to Xenon and one guy put xenon along the likes of sora (he champions shimano) and needless to say the guy I spoke to that champions Campagnolo put the Xenon groupy with Ultegra. I'm lost Help guys.

    P.S. Forget asthetics cause campy wins on that hands down. I just want the more durable, less efforted shifting qualities please and how the ydiffer.

    Report
  2. DMF
    Archived post
    #2

    Really depends on which Shimmy and which Campy. Sora vs. Record? DA vs. Xenon? Do we give points for price? Parts availability?

    Or has this topic been beat to death already? 😉

    Report
  3. rbtmcardle
    Archived post
    #3

    I have been a shimano user for many years now and just recently bought a used Calfee with Record / Chorus and though my Vortex with 10 sp D/A shifts more easily I find the Campy crisper and with the ability to shift multiple sprockets in both directions is a bonus. Now I am conteplating replacing the 10 sp DA with a new Record 2007 group just to be consistent.

    Report
  4. artemidorus
    Archived post
    #4
    rbtmcardle said:

    I have been a shimano user for many years now and just recently bought a used Calfee with Record / Chorus and though my Vortex with 10 sp D/A shifts more easily I find the Campy crisper and with the ability to shift multiple sprockets in both directions is a bonus. Now I am conteplating replacing the 10 sp DA with a new Record 2007 group just to be consistent.


    What price consistency?? :eek:

    Report
  5. hd reynolds
    Archived post
    #5

    Like I always say, u cant compare an R34 skyline with an enzo.

    Report
  6. free_rideman
    Archived post
    #6

    Or you can just mix the parts and save the most money.

    And yes, I will mention it again, for the millionth time: Jtek Shiftmate

    Why everyone asks?

    Because campy makes the best shifters (IMO?) that don't break as quick (IMO!), and are much more comfortable (IMO!), and look better (IMO?). You get the point.

    The problem with campy is that their other stuff is overpriced!

    So you mix! Shimano rear derailleurs are very nice! 105 - Dura Ace

    Shimano cranks and campy cranks are... just that... >...<

    Maybe FSA cranks? Truvativ?

    Why does it have to be just one company for everything?

    Report
  7. ianhargreaves
    Archived post
    #7

    Thanks for your answer so far guys.

    I'm looking at comaring Tiagra to Xenon.

    Report
  8. ianhargreaves
    Archived post
    #8
    hd reynolds said:

    Like I always say, u cant compare an R34 skyline with an enzo.


    So you mean one is pretty and more expensive, one is not so pretty but both do the same job and maybe handle a little different.
    Do you really gt more for you money with shimmy?

    Report
  9. RickF
    Archived post
    #9

    There was a post on another forum about how Shimano's string of TdF victories ended at seven, and those were the only seven victories for Shimano. Just for fun, I decided to look at stage wins in this year's TdF. The results:

    [font=Arial]Prolog [/font][font=Arial]Thor Hushovd [/font][font=Arial]CA [/font][font=Arial]Shimano[/font]
    [font=Arial]Stage 1 [/font][font=Arial]Jimmy Casper [/font][font=Arial]COF [/font][font=Arial]Campagnolo[/font]
    [font=Arial]Stage 2 [/font][font=Arial]Robbie McEwen [/font][font=Arial]DVL [/font][font=Arial]Campagnolo[/font]
    [font=Arial]Stage 3 [/font][font=Arial]Matthias Kessler [/font][font=Arial]TMO [/font][font=Arial]Shimano[/font]
    [font=Arial]Stage 4 [/font][font=Arial]McEwen [/font][font=Arial]DVL [/font][font=Arial]Campagnolo[/font]
    [font=Arial]Stage 5 [/font][font=Arial]Oscar Freire [/font][font=Arial]RAB [/font][font=Arial]Shimano[/font]
    [font=Arial]Stage 6 [/font][font=Arial]McEwen [/font][font=Arial]DVL [/font][font=Arial]Campagnolo[/font]
    [font=Arial]Stage 7 [/font][font=Arial]Serhiy Honchar [/font][font=Arial]TMO [/font][font=Arial]Shimano[/font]
    [font=Arial]Stage 8 [/font][font=Arial]Sylvain Calzat i[/font][font=Arial]A2R [/font][font=Arial]Campagnolo[/font]
    [font=Arial]Stage 9 [/font][font=Arial]Freire [/font][font=Arial]RAB [/font][font=Arial]Shimano[/font]
    [font=Arial]Stage 10 [/font][font=Arial]Juan Miguel Mercado [/font][font=Arial]AGR [/font][font=Arial]Shimano[/font]
    [font=Arial]Stage 11 [/font][font=Arial]Denis Menchov [/font][font=Arial]RAB [/font][font=Arial]Shimano[/font]
    [font=Arial]Stage 12 [/font][font=Arial]Yaroslav Popovych [/font][font=Arial]DSC [/font][font=Arial]Shimano[/font]
    [font=Arial]Stage 13 [/font][font=Arial]Jens Voigt [/font][font=Arial]CSC [/font][font=Arial]Shimano[/font]
    [font=Arial]Stage 14 [/font][font=Arial]Pierrick Fedrigo [/font][font=Arial]BTL [/font][font=Arial]Campagnolo[/font]
    [font=Arial]Stage 15 [/font][font=Arial]Frank Schleck [/font][font=Arial]CSC [/font][font=Arial]Shimano[/font]
    [font=Arial]Stage 16 [/font][font=Arial]Mickael Rasmussen [/font][font=Arial]RAB [/font][font=Arial]Shimano[/font]
    [font=Arial]Stage 17 Floyd [/font][font=Arial]Landis [/font][font=Arial]PHO [/font][font=Arial]Campagnolo[/font]
    [font=Arial]Stage 18 [/font][font=Arial]Matteo Tosatto [/font][font=Arial]QSI [/font][font=Arial]Campagnolo[/font]
    [font=Arial]Stage 19 [/font][font=Arial]Honchar [/font][font=Arial]TMO [/font][font=Arial]Shimano [/font]
    [font=Arial]Stage 20 [/font][font=Arial]Hushovd [/font][font=Arial]CA [/font][font=Arial]Shimano[/font]

    That is 13 stage wins for Shimano and 8 for Campangolo. If you discount duplicate wins by the same riders, it is 10 riders using Shimano and 6 using Campagnolo. The bottom line is that half of the peloton was using Shimano and half was using Campagnolo. If there was a real difference between the drivetrains, I do not think they would be so evenly split.

    Report
  10. rbtmcardle
    Archived post
    #10
    RickF said:

    ......If there was a real difference between the drivetrains, I do not think they would be so evenly split.

    However, as always when we talk about pro teams - the drivetrains are cared for by Pro wrenches and should perform equally well. What happens down the road a few thousand miles may be a different story.

    Report
  11. tcklyde
    Archived post
    #11
    RickF said:

    There was a post on another forum about how Shimano's string of TdF victories ended at seven, and those were the only seven victories for Shimano. Just for fun, I decided to look at stage wins in this year's TdF. The results:

    [font=Arial]Prolog [/font][font=Arial]Thor Hushovd [/font][font=Arial]CA [/font][font=Arial]Shimano[/font]
    [font=Arial]Stage 1 [/font][font=Arial]Jimmy Casper [/font][font=Arial]COF [/font][font=Arial]Campagnolo[/font]
    [font=Arial]Stage 2 [/font][font=Arial]Robbie McEwen [/font][font=Arial]DVL [/font][font=Arial]Campagnolo[/font]
    [font=Arial]Stage 3 [/font][font=Arial]Matthias Kessler [/font][font=Arial]TMO [/font][font=Arial]Shimano[/font]
    [font=Arial]Stage 4 [/font][font=Arial]McEwen [/font][font=Arial]DVL [/font][font=Arial]Campagnolo[/font]
    [font=Arial]Stage 5 [/font][font=Arial]Oscar Freire [/font][font=Arial]RAB [/font][font=Arial]Shimano[/font]
    [font=Arial]Stage 6 [/font][font=Arial]McEwen [/font][font=Arial]DVL [/font][font=Arial]Campagnolo[/font]
    [font=Arial]Stage 7 [/font][font=Arial]Serhiy Honchar [/font][font=Arial]TMO [/font][font=Arial]Shimano[/font]
    [font=Arial]Stage 8 [/font][font=Arial]Sylvain Calzat i[/font][font=Arial]A2R [/font][font=Arial]Campagnolo[/font]
    [font=Arial]Stage 9 [/font][font=Arial]Freire [/font][font=Arial]RAB [/font][font=Arial]Shimano[/font]
    [font=Arial]Stage 10 [/font][font=Arial]Juan Miguel Mercado [/font][font=Arial]AGR [/font][font=Arial]Shimano[/font]
    [font=Arial]Stage 11 [/font][font=Arial]Denis Menchov [/font][font=Arial]RAB [/font][font=Arial]Shimano[/font]
    [font=Arial]Stage 12 [/font][font=Arial]Yaroslav Popovych [/font][font=Arial]DSC [/font][font=Arial]Shimano[/font]
    [font=Arial]Stage 13 [/font][font=Arial]Jens Voigt [/font][font=Arial]CSC [/font][font=Arial]Shimano[/font]
    [font=Arial]Stage 14 [/font][font=Arial]Pierrick Fedrigo [/font][font=Arial]BTL [/font][font=Arial]Campagnolo[/font]
    [font=Arial]Stage 15 [/font][font=Arial]Frank Schleck [/font][font=Arial]CSC [/font][font=Arial]Shimano[/font]
    [font=Arial]Stage 16 [/font][font=Arial]Mickael Rasmussen [/font][font=Arial]RAB [/font][font=Arial]Shimano[/font]
    [font=Arial]Stage 17 Floyd [/font][font=Arial]Landis [/font][font=Arial]PHO [/font][font=Arial]Campagnolo[/font]
    [font=Arial]Stage 18 [/font][font=Arial]Matteo Tosatto [/font][font=Arial]QSI [/font][font=Arial]Campagnolo[/font]
    [font=Arial]Stage 19 [/font][font=Arial]Honchar [/font][font=Arial]TMO [/font][font=Arial]Shimano [/font]
    [font=Arial]Stage 20 [/font][font=Arial]Hushovd [/font][font=Arial]CA [/font][font=Arial]Shimano[/font]

    That is 13 stage wins for Shimano and 8 for Campangolo. If you discount duplicate wins by the same riders, it is 10 riders using Shimano and 6 using Campagnolo. The bottom line is that half of the peloton was using Shimano and half was using Campagnolo. If there was a real difference between the drivetrains, I do not think they would be so evenly split.

    Both top level gruppos are essentially the same in terms of shifting quality. Tour stages could be won on Ultegra and Chorus as well (US domestic teams have been outfitted with Chorus). Top level drivetrain components have almost no impact on ability to win pro bicycle races. Quality of talent, training, form, and dope do matter.

    In amateurs races you will see people winning on all manner of equipment, even -- *gasp* -- steel bikes with -- *gasp* -- SunTour!!

    Of course, pro teams use whatever sponsors give them.

    Report
  12. Bro Deal
    Archived post
    #12
    tcklyde said:


    Of course, pro teams use whatever sponsors give them.


    Yup, but we now have a great data point. Jan Ullrich ditched his Giant and T-Mobile colors and is now has complete freedom to train with what he wants. His choice is a frame made by his own company equiped with Campy. Woot!

    Report

Keep exploring

Browse the sectionCycling Equipment Return to CyclingForumsStart at the home page Search discussionsFind another thread

Active in the last 60 minutes

Active in this thread

0 users · 0 guests ·0 bots ·0 total

No signed-in users are active right now.

No known search crawlers active right now.