Shimano does carbon now?

"Phil, Squid-in-Training" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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As I've mentioned before, Shimano doesn't seem to think that carbon parts
or cartridge bearings belong on bicycle components. Well now I'm wrong.
I'm not sure how long this has been out, but the WH-7801-carbon wheelset
has carbon rims.

Can anybody else think of any other parts that Shimano makes with carts or
carbon?

In either Rivendell Reader #34 or 35, Shimano stated that it is the arguably
one of the *largest* user of carbon fiber in the world. Its expertise -
fishing. Check out Shimano fishing for more:

http://fish.shimano.com/publish/content/us/en/fishing/products/rods/freshwater_rods.html

bfd said:

"Phil, Squid-in-Training" <[email hidden]>
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Quoted message said:

As I've mentioned before, Shimano doesn't seem to think that carbon
parts or cartridge bearings belong on bicycle components. Well now
I'm wrong. I'm not sure how long this has been out, but the
WH-7801-carbon wheelset has carbon rims.

Can anybody else think of any other parts that Shimano makes with
carts or carbon?

In either Rivendell Reader #34 or 35, Shimano stated that it is the
arguably one of the *largest* user of carbon fiber in the world. Its
expertise - fishing. Check out Shimano fishing for more:

http://fish.shimano.com/publish/content/us/en/fishing/products/rods/freshwater_rods.html

Yes, but I was referring to bicycles. I'm inclined to believe that the
divisions are entirely separate.

Except for maybe the Shimano Tiagra shifters/derailleurs and fishing reels:

Fish:
http://fish.shimano.com/publish/content/us/en/fishing/products/reels/reels_saltwater_conventional/Tiagra_A.html

Bike:
http://bike.shimano.com/catalog/cycle/products/group.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302032893&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=1408474395181202&bmUID=1118895449972

If they weren't so separate, wouldn't we see more CF in their bike parts?

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Phil, Squid-in-Training

"Phil, Squid-in-Training" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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bfd said:

"Phil, Squid-in-Training" <[email hidden]>
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Quoted message said:

As I've mentioned before, Shimano doesn't seem to think that carbon
parts or cartridge bearings belong on bicycle components. Well now
I'm wrong. I'm not sure how long this has been out, but the
WH-7801-carbon wheelset has carbon rims.

Can anybody else think of any other parts that Shimano makes with
carts or carbon?

In either Rivendell Reader #34 or 35, Shimano stated that it is the
arguably one of the *largest* user of carbon fiber in the world. Its
expertise - fishing. Check out Shimano fishing for more:

http://fish.shimano.com/publish/content/us/en/fishing/products/rods/freshwater_rods.html

Yes, but I was referring to bicycles. I'm inclined to believe that the
divisions are entirely separate.

Except for maybe the Shimano Tiagra shifters/derailleurs and fishing
reels:

Fish:
http://fish.shimano.com/publish/content/us/en/fishing/products/reels/reels_saltwater_conventional/Tiagra_A.html

Bike:
http://bike.shimano.com/catalog/cycle/products/group.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302032893&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=1408474395181202&bmUID=1118895449972

If they weren't so separate, wouldn't we see more CF in their bike parts?

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Not necessarily, in that interview, Kozu Shimano stated that Shimano felt it
could make aluminum bicycle parts stronger and *just as* light as other
company's carbon stuff. In some ways this is true. For example, look at the
DA seatpost, its aluminum and weighs something like 185 or 190g. In
contrast, Campy Record's Carbon/ti seatpost weighs either the same or 5g
heavier!

Similarly, DA 10 crank is "as light", if not lighter than Campy Record's
crank/bb combo. Same thing goes for its derailleurs.

Where Shimano "loses" any weight advantage is in its STI levers. When
compared to Campy's ergo levers, STIs are heavier and non-repairable. But,
levers are like seat and something each person should try out to see which
one they like better.

bfd said:

In either Rivendell Reader #34 or 35, Shimano stated that it is the arguably
one of the *largest* user of carbon fiber in the world. Its expertise -
fishing. Check out Shimano fishing for more:

http://fish.shimano.com/publish/content/us/en/fishing/products/rods/freshwater_rods.html

Fishing rods went beyond carbon about 2 decades ago - the top end ones
use boron fibres.

bfd said:

Not necessarily, in that interview, Kozu Shimano stated that Shimano felt it
could make aluminum bicycle parts stronger and *just as* light as other
company's carbon stuff. In some ways this is true. For example, look at the
DA seatpost, its aluminum and weighs something like 185 or 190g. In
contrast, Campy Record's Carbon/ti seatpost weighs either the same or 5g
heavier!

Carbon fibre is sure used a lot these days even in applications where
the only thing it gives is a new look (and a higher price of course).
I'm not aware of any carbon fibre stems which offer better strength for
a given weight than high-quality aluminium stems. Likewise, I'm not aware
of any carbon fibre seat posts that are as light and stronger than for
example the Thomson aluminium post.

Like with titanium, some people with no common sense evidently must have
it everywhere. Titanium spokes were a prime example of such stupidity.
If it's good for frames, it must be good for everything?

-as

bfd said:

"Phil, Squid-in-Training" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

As I've mentioned before, Shimano doesn't seem to think that carbon parts
or cartridge bearings belong on bicycle components. Well now I'm wrong.
I'm not sure how long this has been out, but the WH-7801-carbon wheelset
has carbon rims.

Can anybody else think of any other parts that Shimano makes with carts or
carbon?

That's like saying you are going to buy a Yamaha motorcycle cuz they
make really good pianos or skis.

shimano, like a lot of Japanese companies, make a lot of different
'stuff'.

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

bfd said:

"Phil, Squid-in-Training" <[email hidden]>
wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

As I've mentioned before, Shimano doesn't seem to think that carbon
parts or cartridge bearings belong on bicycle components. Well now
I'm wrong. I'm not sure how long this has been out, but the
WH-7801-carbon wheelset has carbon rims.

Can anybody else think of any other parts that Shimano makes with
carts or carbon?

That's like saying you are going to buy a Yamaha motorcycle cuz they
make really good pianos or skis.

shimano, like a lot of Japanese companies, make a lot of different
'stuff'.

I don't get it. I didn't say anything about anything other than bicycle
parts. Did you reply to the wrong part of the thread?

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Phil, Squid-in-Training

bfd said:

Subject: Re: Shimano does carbon now?

Don't encourage them; next thing you know, they'd be selling frame
tube sets made by their fishing pole division...with a peculiar
integral bottle-cage mount that has a threaded collar and a sliding
cleat...and matching handlbars with cork grips...and ring-shaped cable
guides lashed to the tubes with lacquered thread...

(A bike made by a fishing equipment manufacturer. I can envision it
too readily.)
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Squid-in-Training said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

bfd said:

"Phil, Squid-in-Training" <[email hidden]>
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> As I've mentioned before, Shimano doesn't seem to think that carbon
> parts or cartridge bearings belong on bicycle components. Well now
> I'm wrong. I'm not sure how long this has been out, but the
> WH-7801-carbon wheelset has carbon rims.
>
> Can anybody else think of any other parts that Shimano makes with
> carts or carbon?
>

That's like saying you are going to buy a Yamaha motorcycle cuz they
make really good pianos or skis.

shimano, like a lot of Japanese companies, make a lot of different
'stuff'.

I don't get it. I didn't say anything about anything other than bicycle
parts. Did you reply to the wrong part of the thread?

I think that the lack of a serious answer automatically opened the
thread to the nonserious ones.
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Frank Drackman said:

That is a great story, and paints a perfect picture of some of my
roadie friends. One friend switched to DA 10 speed as soon as it was
available even though his new DA 9 speed had only around 1K miles. He
hated it that someone else was riding DA 10 (OEM) before he was. The real
funny part is that he isn't extremely wealthy.

That was one of the things I found most depressing about working in a bike
shop (long time ago).

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AndyAtJinkasDotFreeserve.Co.UK

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"Phil, Squid-in-Training" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

As I've mentioned before, Shimano doesn't seem to think that carbon parts
or cartridge bearings belong on bicycle components. Well now I'm wrong.
I'm not sure how long this has been out, but the WH-7801-carbon wheelset
has carbon rims.

Can anybody else think of any other parts that Shimano makes with carts or
carbon?

Do I recall correctly that Shimano made a carbon fiber V-Brake booster,
a few years ago?

"Phil, Squid-in-Training" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

As I've mentioned before, Shimano doesn't seem to think that carbon parts
or cartridge bearings belong on bicycle components. Well now I'm wrong.
I'm not sure how long this has been out, but the WH-7801-carbon wheelset
has carbon rims.

Can anybody else think of any other parts that Shimano makes with carts or
carbon?

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Phil, Squid-in-Training

My Shimano shoes have carbon soles!

Tim

Werehatrack said:

Squid-in-Training said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

bfd wrote:
> "Phil, Squid-in-Training" <[email hidden]>
> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
>> As I've mentioned before, Shimano doesn't seem to think that carbon
>> parts or cartridge bearings belong on bicycle components. Well now
>> I'm wrong. I'm not sure how long this has been out, but the
>> WH-7801-carbon wheelset has carbon rims.
>>
>> Can anybody else think of any other parts that Shimano makes with
>> carts or carbon?
>>

That's like saying you are going to buy a Yamaha motorcycle cuz they
make really good pianos or skis.

shimano, like a lot of Japanese companies, make a lot of different
'stuff'.

I don't get it. I didn't say anything about anything other than bicycle
parts. Did you reply to the wrong part of the thread?

I think that the lack of a serious answer automatically opened the
thread to the nonserious ones.
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Bing, bing, bing, we have a winner...I see this NG as a bunch of people
with a beer in their hand, yaking about these toys called 'bikes'. No
more serious than that.

Not really into fish maiming either.