Shimano/Campagnolo compatibility

"Bluenose" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Hi there,

I'm looking for some help and opinions on a dilemma
I'm facing.

I have a OCR2 with a Tiagra triple group set. I'm looking
at upgrading and have recently bought a Ultegra triple
crankset. My next purchases were going to be a Dura Ace
triple RD, a Ultegra triple FD and a set of Ultegra
shifters. I've done some reading of reviews and which have
not painted the Ultegra shifters in a very good light ie
multiple failures, rattling etc.

With regards to the shifters, the first thing I would
consider is which one you like better. THAT consideration,
not failures, rattling,etc. is what I would look at. Have
you tried Campy ergo shifters? Some people don't like them
and prefer Shimano STI.

If you prefer Shimano STI, you may want to consider getting
Dura Ace STI shifter and ultegra or lower everything else.
Why? Since you appear to be concern about things like
failure and rattling, Dura Ace is the only Shimano group
that has a 3 year warranty.

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I know you can mix Campag. with Shimano components but I'm
a new kid on the bloke in regards to cycling and I'm not
entirely sure of the combo's.

I have some questions below and would appreciate your
expertise.

If I were to purchase Campag. shifters then will they work
with my Ultegra triple cranks, cassette, and current
Tiagra triple FD? If so then in order for them to work I
must buy a Triple/long cage >Campag. RD?

Campy ergo shifters works best with Campy RD.

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Will my Ultegra chain need replacing with a Campag. chain?
Do I have buy 9 speed Campag shifters and RD or can I buy
a 10 speed?

No, I find actually prefer Shimano 9 chain (with Sram
powerlink) with my Campy 9 ergo shifters and Campy 9 RD
- why? Shimano 9 chain is narrower and quieter than
Campy C9 chain.

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Finally, what's the honest opinion regarding mixing
Shimano/Campag. >Is it

more hassle than it's worth? Nope.

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Will the different components work together smoothly or
will
they require constant adjustments and fiddling around?

Yes. As I stated above, I use Campy 9 ergo levers, Campy
9 RD, Shimano 9 hub/cassette and Shimano 9 chain. All
works well.

Again, if you like Campy ergo shifters do it!

bfd said:

"Bluenose" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Hi there,

I'm looking for some help and opinions on a dilemma I'm
facing.

I have a OCR2 with a Tiagra triple group set. I'm
looking at upgrading and have recently bought a Ultegra
triple crankset. My next purchases were going to be a
Dura Ace triple RD, a Ultegra triple FD and a set of
Ultegra shifters. I've done some reading of reviews and
which have not painted the Ultegra shifters in a very
good light ie multiple failures, rattling etc.

With regards to the shifters, the first thing I would
consider is which one you like better. THAT consideration,
not failures, rattling,etc. is what I would look at. Have
you tried Campy ergo shifters? Some people don't like them
and prefer Shimano STI.

If you prefer Shimano STI, you may want to consider
getting Dura Ace STI shifter and ultegra or lower
everything else. Why? Since you appear to be concern about
things like failure and rattling, Dura Ace is the only
Shimano group that has a 3 year warranty.

Thats a very good point regarding Ergo shifters and
strangely not one I'd really taken into much consideration.
I guess I was to caught up in performance etc that I didn't
taken into account whether I'd actually like them. I would
like to buy D/A Shifters but they're abit out of my budget.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I know you can mix Campag. with Shimano components but
I'm a new kid on the bloke in regards to cycling and I'm
not entirely sure of the combo's.

I have some questions below and would appreciate your
expertise.

If I were to purchase Campag. shifters then will they
work with my Ultegra triple cranks, cassette, and
current Tiagra triple FD? If so then in order for them
to work I must buy a Triple/long cage >Campag. RD?

Campy ergo shifters works best with Campy RD.

Quoted message said:

Will my Ultegra chain need replacing with a Campag.
chain? Do I have buy 9 speed Campag shifters and RD or
can I buy a 10 speed?

No, I find actually prefer Shimano 9 chain (with Sram
powerlink) with my Campy 9 ergo shifters and Campy 9 RD -
why? Shimano 9 chain is narrower and quieter than Campy
C9 chain.

Ah, no worries. But do I have to be on the look out purely
for 9 speed Campag. or is 10 speed compatible as well?

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Quoted message said:

Finally, what's the honest opinion regarding mixing
Shimano/Campag. >Is it

more hassle than it's worth? Nope.

Quoted message said:

Will the different components work together smoothly or
will
they require constant adjustments and fiddling around?

Yes. As I stated above, I use Campy 9 ergo levers, Campy
9 RD, Shimano 9 hub/cassette and Shimano 9 chain. All
works well.

Again, if you like Campy ergo shifters do it!

Thanks for your quick reply....much appreciated.

Bluenose said:

If I were to purchase Campag. shifters then will they work
with my Ultegra triple cranks, cassette, and current
Tiagra triple FD?

Campag shifters work with ALL cranksets and front
derailleurs (although better with a Campag FD than with an
old Shimano in my experience). Cassette is debateable
(either use 9sp Shimano cassette as is or respace somehow).
Note: Campag cassettes don't fit on Shimano hubs.

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If so then in order for them to work I must buy a
Triple/long cage Campag. RD?

Long or medium cage Campag RD would be required.

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Will my Ultegra chain need replacing with a Campag. chain?

No.

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Do I have buy 9 speed Campag shifters and RD or can I buy
a 10 speed?

10sp can be used with this method:
hubbub.comergoleverswshim9.htmOpen ↗

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Will the different components work together smoothly
or will they require constant adjustments and
fiddling around?

Well, sometimes even all-Campag or all-Shimano requires a
certain amount of hassle to get it setup, so don't worry
about that too much if you work out what could and should
work in advance. Constant adjustments shouldn't be required
once it's all done.

~PB

bluenose-<< I have a OCR2 with a Tiagra triple group set.
I'm looking at upgrading and have recently bought a Ultegra
triple crankse >><BR><BR> << which have not painted the
Ultegra shifters in a very good light ie multiple failures,
rattling et >><BR><BR>

<< If I were to purchase Campag. shifters then will they
work with my Ultegra triple cranks, cassette, and current
Tiagra triple FD? If so then in order for them to work I
must buy a Triple/long cage Campag. RD?

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yes and yes..all you would need are 9 or 10s ERGO and a
Campagnolo rear der, preferably a long cage-

9 or 10s ERGO is compatible with shimano 9s cogs, chains,
cranks, FD..

Works great, we do it all the time as more and more
STI fail.....

Peter Chisholm Vecchio's Bicicletteria 1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535 vecchios.comvecchios.comOpen ↗ "Ruote convenzionali
costruite eccezionalmente bene"

On Fri, 07 May 2004 01:25:48 GMT, Bluenose <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

If I were to purchase Campag. shifters then will they work
with my Ultegra triple cranks, cassette, and current Tiagra
triple FD? If so then in order for them to work I must buy
a Triple/long cage Campag. RD? Will my Ultegra chain need
replacing with a Campag. chain? Do I have buy 9 speed
Campag shifters and RD or can I buy a 10 speed? Finally,
what's the honest opinion regarding mixing Shimano/Campag.
Is it more hassle than it's worth? Will the different
components work together smoothly or will they require
constant adjustments and fiddling around?

Campy Ergo 9 or 10 will shift your Shimano 9sp cassette but
you have to use a Campy rear derailleur. Depending on what
size the cogs and chainrings are, you may need only a
standard cage derailleur. The medium cage model will work
for almost anything. You don't have to change chain.
Actually, the 9sp HG chain works best in your configuration.
You can buy Campy ergo and rear derailleur for <$200 in
Veloce, which is excellent stuff and similar in the actual
purchase price to Ultegra. Campy rear derailleurs cost more
than ShimaNO.

In article <[email hidden]>,
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I know you can mix Campag. with Shimano components but I'm
a new kid on the bloke in regards to cycling and I'm not
entirely sure of the combo's.

What you need to remember is that the rear derailleur and
the shifter must be from the same company.
------------
Alex

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Originally posted by Bluenose

I know you can mix Campag. with Shimano components but I'm a
new kid on the bloke in regards to cycling and I'm not
entirely sure of the combo's.

Many thanks in advance

There is an excellent article on the many methods of mixing Campy ERGO with Shimano here:

http://www.hearingoffice.com/download/hearing/10_Speed_Conversion_screen.pdf

Personally, I just built up a bike using Campy 9sp ERGO shifters & rear derailleur, and the rest is 9sp Shimano and it works fine.

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What you need to remember is that the rear derailleur and
the shifter must be from the same company.

Except..... hubbub.comergoleverswshim9.htmOpen ↗

~PB

Alex Rodriguez <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

I know you can mix Campag. with Shimano components but
I'm a new kid on the bloke in regards to cycling and I'm
not entirely sure of the combo's.

What you need to remember is that the rear derailleur and
the shifter must be from the same company.
------------
Alex

I replaced my DA 9 speed front shifter with 10 speed Campy
record---left the rest all Shimano. Love it !! It shifts
better than the DA ever did in my opinion.. I would recomend
it to anybody..

The Shimano cassette & derailler with Campy Ergo levers
works well using the method outlined by HubBub. I also
noticed in the latest Santana distribution that they
are offering Campy Ergo levers with XTR rear derailler
and DuraAce 10 speed cogset. Bill must think it works
too. Charlie

(Charlie) said:

The Shimano cassette & derailler with Campy Ergo levers
works well using the method outlined by HubBub. I also
noticed in the latest Santana distribution that they
are offering Campy Ergo levers with XTR rear derailler
and DuraAce 10 speed cogset. Bill must think it works
too. Charlie

That's either ignorance on the Santana's part or a marriage
to Shimano. On a new setup, the Campy, long cage rear
derailleurs, have as much capacity as the XT rear
derailleur and you don't have to monkey around with special
cable routing.

I agree, if you already had the Shimano stuff, that using
your existing rear derailleur is beneficial.

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Bluenose said:

If I were to purchase Campag. shifters then will they
work with my Ultegra triple cranks, cassette, and
current Tiagra triple FD? If so then in order for them
to work I must buy a Triple/long cage Campag. RD? Will
my Ultegra chain need replacing with a Campag. chain? Do
I have buy 9 speed Campag shifters and RD or can I buy a
10 speed?

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Quoted message said:

Will the different components work together smoothly or
will they require constant adjustments and fiddling
around?

The front derailleur shifter should work with any front
derailleurs, since it is not indexed. I have a Campy front
shifter shifting a shimano mid-end front derailleur for
compact chain ring just fine. I would have gone Campy if
possible, but their derailleurs don't work with my MTB chain
ring setup. For the rear, I have ergo 9 controlling an old
Sachs rear derailleur before (7 speed). Though it works 90%
of the time, the odd time would make it skip 1 to 2 gears
irritantly!! So recently, I bought a Campy rear derailleur
(Xenon low end model) to replace the Sachs and the shifting
improved dramatically. Now, it shifts crisply on a 7 speed
cogset which is really cool!

By the way, even the lowest end Mirage and Xenon
components work so much better than my used to own Shimano
RSX and 105 stuff.

As for adjustments.. As long as you keep it all Campy or
all Shimano, once the adjustments are done, they should
stay put. The problem I had before with mixing Campy Ergo
and Shimano rear derailleur was when it got dirty, the
whole setup went out of whack. Using a Campy rear solved
the problem..