shepherds pie

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Ground lamb is virtually unknown in the US.

Hmm. I wouldn't say that.

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In most supermarkets you'd have to order it special, if
you could even get it that way.

Hmmm. My supermarkets must be more special than yours;
it's right alongside the beef.

The Ranger

It probably is. Ground lamb doesn't happen in my local
supermarkets either. Very little lamb is on sale at all.
Which is strange, given the number of sheep raised in this
state. There is a Middle Eastern grocer who stocks frozen
minced lamb. When I want minced lamb I just buy whatever
lamb I can get and use our mincer on it.

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Ground lamb is virtually unknown in the US.

Hmm. I wouldn't say that.

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In most supermarkets you'd have to order it special,
if you could even get it that way.

Hmmm. My supermarkets must be more special than yours;
it's right alongside the beef.

Up until just the last 5 years or so I'd never seen lamb
of any kind in any of the supermarkets in this area. It's
only been in the last 5 years or so that I've started
seeing lamb and then it's only around Easter.

I repeat, "Hmmm." I've always (35 years to my current
memory) had leg of lamb, lamb shanks, lamb chops, lamb ribs,
lamb chunks (for stew) and ground lamb available at the
supermarkets near me. Within the last five years, pre-formed
ground lamb patties have started to be offered (I just can't
accept lamb in hamburger patty form; it's wrong!) but I
haven't purchased any yet. Gemco, Food Bowl, and Alpha Beta
-- three stores my Sainted Mother(tm) shopped at regularly
-- offered choices on lamb cuts in the'60s and '70s.

ObLamb: Lamb Kebobs marinated in Balsamic Vinegar

INGREDIENTS: Marinade 3 Tbs. balsamic vinegar 2 Tbs. olive
oil 2 Tbs. water 4 cloves garlic, minced 1 tsp. rosemary ½
tsp. salt ½ tsp. ground cumin ¼ tsp. pepper ¼ tsp. ground
red pepper ¼ tsp. ground coriander Kabobs 1 lb. lamb, cut
into 1" cubes for kabobs ½ firm cantaloupe, peeled and cut
into 1" pieces 10 green onions, cut into 2' pieces 10
cherry tomatoes

METHOD Combine the marinade ingredients in a bowl. Place
lamb in a heavy-duty plastic bag set in a shallow dish. Pour
marinade over lamb in bag. Seal bag; turn to coat. Marinate
in the refrigerator for 6 to 8 hours, stirring/shaking bag
occasionally to recoat lamb. Drain and reserving marinade.
Thread lamb, cantaloupe, green onions, and tomatoes onto
skewers (12 to 14 inch wooden skewers). Brush completed
skewers with marinade. Grill for 8 to 10 minutes or to the
desired doneness, turning once and brushing with marinade
again. Serve with basmati rice with sour cherries.

The Ranger

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Up until just the last 5 years or so I'd never seen lamb
of any kind in any of the supermarkets in this area.
It's only been in the last 5 years or so that I've
started seeing lamb and then it's only around Easter.

I repeat, "Hmmm." I've always (35 years to my current
memory) had leg of lamb, lamb shanks, lamb chops, lamb
ribs, lamb chunks (for stew) and

ground

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lamb available at the supermarkets near me. Within the
last five years, pre-formed ground lamb patties have
started to be offered (I just can't accept lamb in
hamburger patty form; it's wrong!) but I haven't purchased
any yet. Gemco, Food Bowl, and Alpha Beta -- three stores
my Sainted Mother(tm) shopped at regularly -- offered
choices on lamb cuts in the'60s and '70s.

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The Ranger

I'll bet you live where there are more than three ethnic
groups and probably more than two stores. There used to
only be two ethnic groups. Since the super Wal-Mart came in
we've lost 2 grocery stores. Not that either of them had
lamb anyway.

Kathy

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Up until just the last 5 years or so I'd never seen
lamb of any kind in any of the supermarkets in this
area. It's only been in the last 5 years or so that
I've started seeing lamb and then it's only around
Easter.

I repeat, "Hmmm." I've always (35 years to my current
memory) had leg of lamb, lamb shanks, lamb chops, lamb
ribs, lamb chunks (for stew) and ground lamb available
at the supermarkets near me. Within the last five years,
pre-formed ground lamb patties have started to be
offered (I just can't accept lamb in hamburger patty
form; it's wrong!) but I haven't purchased any yet.
Gemco, Food Bowl, and Alpha Beta -- three stores my
Sainted Mother(tm) shopped at regularly -- offered
choices on lamb cuts in the'60s and '70s.

~~~~~~ snipped the recipe ~~~~~~~ I'll bet you live where
there are more than three ethnic groups and probably more
than two stores.

Now, yes -- most assuredly; then, uh... We were lucky to
have one Japanese-American family, five Chinese-American
families and the rest were Heinz 57 mixes... A little Irish,
a little Italian, a few surfers... Not too varied or
diversified.

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There used to only be two ethnic groups. Since the super
Wal-Mart came in we've lost 2 grocery stores. Not that
either of them had lamb anyway.

/That/ would bother me... I like having the choices that
have always been available.

The Ranger

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Ground lamb is virtually unknown in the US. In most
supermarkets you'd

have

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to order it special, if you could even get it that way.

Really? While I wouldn't call it a big seller, all of the
major grocery stores here in Lebanon, NH carry it.

Obviously, I was guilty of provincialism there. Let's amend
that to say, "is virtually unknown in some parts of the US."

Brian Rodenborn

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> Up until just the last 5 years or so I'd never seen
> lamb of any kind in any of the supermarkets in this
> area. It's only been in the last 5 years or so that
> I've started seeing lamb and then it's only around
> Easter.
>
I repeat, "Hmmm." I've always (35 years to my current
memory) had leg of lamb, lamb shanks, lamb chops, lamb
ribs, lamb chunks (for stew) and ground lamb available
at the supermarkets near me. Within the last five
years, pre-formed ground lamb patties have started to
be offered (I just can't accept lamb in hamburger
patty form; it's wrong!) but I haven't purchased any
yet. Gemco, Food Bowl, and Alpha Beta -- three stores
my Sainted Mother(tm) shopped at regularly -- offered
choices on lamb cuts in the'60s and '70s.

~~~~~~ snipped the recipe ~~~~~~~ I'll bet you live
where there are more than three ethnic groups and
probably more than two stores.

Now, yes -- most assuredly; then, uh... We were lucky to
have one Japanese-American family, five Chinese-American
families and the rest were Heinz 57 mixes... A little
Irish, a little Italian, a few surfers... Not

too

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varied or diversified.

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There used to only be two ethnic groups. Since the super
Wal-Mart came in we've lost 2 grocery stores. Not that
either of them had lamb anyway.

/That/ would bother me... I like having the choices that
have always been available.

The Ranger

There are lots of things I can't get here. I can't get
any kind of Italian sausage for one thing. But I can get
most Mexican ingredients and a pretty fair selection of
Asian ingredients in the two stores we do have. I think
the most common nationality for caucasions in this area
is probably German.

Actually there just aren't a lot of people that live
here, period.

Kathy

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Is shepherd's pie in the US made with ground beef?

Yes, in spite of what some people try to assert, shepard's
pie in the US is made with ground beef.

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In the UK shepherd's pie is made with ground up lamb
(the reason for the dishes name), and cottage pie is
made with ground beef.

Ground lamb is virtually unknown in the US. In most
supermarkets you'd have to order it special, if you could
even get it that way.

Brian Rodenborn

Maybe where *you* live; we must eat funny down in the mid-
South. I can find ground lamb, lamburgers, lamb chops, even
whole leg of lamb (in season). I was merely
commenting/augmenting her 'recipe' in my reply.

Jill

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Is shepherd's pie in the US made with ground beef?

Yes, in spite of what some people try to assert,
shepard's pie in the US is made with ground beef.

Quoted message said:

In the UK shepherd's pie is made with ground up lamb
(the reason for the dishes name), and cottage pie is
made with ground beef.

Ground lamb is virtually unknown in the US. In most
supermarkets you'd have to order it special, if you
could even get it that way.

Brian Rodenborn

Maybe where *you* live; we must eat funny down in the mid-
South. I can

find

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ground lamb, lamburgers, lamb chops, even whole leg of
lamb (in season).

I

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was merely commenting/augmenting her 'recipe' in my reply.

Jill

If lamb is difficult to find why not make cottage pie
exactly the same with

left over beef or direct with minced [ground] beef.

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K. Reece said:

I'll bet you live where there are more than three ethnic
groups and probably more than two stores. There used to
only be two ethnic groups. Since the super Wal-Mart came
in we've lost 2 grocery stores. Not that either of them
had lamb anyway.

Kathy

Interesting. Lamb is available here in any dedicated meat
market. In stupidmarkets its rare ... except in the local
Wal-Mart supercenter, where it appears frequently. Course
this is Fayetteville Arkansas ... Sam Walton owns this town
(and this university .... Uof A) and so he or rather his
heirs take good care of us. ;^)

Dave W.

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