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  1. cyclingnews.comnews.php

    Pacific Coast Highway Share the Road sign unveiled

    The California Department of Transportation (Caltrans) held a news conference at the Topanga State Beach parking lot last Friday to unveil a new bicycle sign, as part of the public awareness safety campaign for the Pacific Coast Highway (PCH).

    The project, which has been instigated by Caltrans and the Bicycle Safety Task Force brought forward by Senator Sheila Kuehl, will install 18 "Share the Road" signs along PCH from Decker Canyon Road to Chautauqua Road to raise public awareness to the mixed use of this heavily travelled scenic route. In conjunction with the sign installation, new requirements will be implemented when maintenance and construction work is performed through the area. Wherever possible, a four-foot shoulder will be maintained and a new "Share the Road" black and orange construction sign will be used as part of closure signage.

    A PCH Bicycle Safety Task Force was formed in October 2005, following the deaths of two cyclists. It is supported by several local elected officials, various state agencies, the county, cities, law enforcement, Auto Club, bicycle clubs and the community.

    "Last year, after a fatal accident in which two cyclists were killed on PCH, members of the cycling community approached me with a number of ideas for ways to improve safety on PCH for cyclist and for all users of the state highway," said Senator Kuehl. "The installation of the Share the Road signs on PCH will help to make PCH safer for cyclists and motorists alike. I applaud Caltrans, the cycling community, and all the members of the PCH Task Force for their time and commitment to make our wonderful coastal roadways safer for everyone."

    "We are very pleased that the cooperative efforts of elected officials, government agencies and the community will result in greater safety on PCH, a unique and treasured resource," said Raja Mitwasi, Chief Deputy District Director covering Los Angles and Ventura counties. Also present were County Supervisor Zev Yaroslavsky and Duncan Lemmon of the Velo Club La Grange Cycling Club.

    The Task force is ongoing to identify other possible safety enhancements for PCH. The $12,000 sign installation is estimated to be completed by the end of the month.

  2. flyingdutch said:

    cyclingnews.comnews.php

    Pacific Coast Highway Share the Road sign unveiled


    I've been thinking about trying to ``watch for cyclists'' signs up on Centre Dandenong Road. It's the only road I've copped abuse on laregly because a shared path runs along the side of the road.

    I reckon the installation of these signs will `legitimize' my presence on the road.

    Thoughts?

  3. EuanB said:

    I've been thinking about trying to ``watch for cyclists'' signs up on Centre Dandenong Road. It's the only road I've copped abuse on laregly because a shared path runs along the side of the road.

    I reckon the installation of these signs will `legitimize' my presence on the road.

    Personally I'm still divided about road signage. Australia would have to be up there with having one of the most 'cluttered' road environments. ie: there's signage and advertising for everything. Would more make drivers pay attention?

  4. In article <[email hidden]>,

    cfsmtb said:

    Personally I'm still divided about road signage. Australia would have
    to be up there with having one of the most 'cluttered' road
    environments. ie: there's signage and advertising for everything. Would
    more make drivers pay attention?

    I tend to agree on the whole, however the case Euan cites is one of
    those where, I think, a lot of drivers assume the law on bike lanes
    applies to the path. If they at least dispel that notion, they may do
    some good.

    But I'm not sure about "Watch for cyclists" -- that strikes me as more
    like "Watch for trucks entering".

    --
    Shane Stanley

  5. Shane Stanley said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    cfsmtb said:

    Personally I'm still divided about road signage. Australia would have
    to be up there with having one of the most 'cluttered' road
    environments. ie: there's signage and advertising for everything. Would
    more make drivers pay attention?

    I tend to agree on the whole, however the case Euan cites is one of
    those where, I think, a lot of drivers assume the law on bike lanes
    applies to the path. If they at least dispel that notion, they may do
    some good.

    But I'm not sure about "Watch for cyclists" -- that strikes me as more
    like "Watch for trucks entering".


    That's what they have on Beach Road, which also has an off road path running along it. So there's a precedent, hadn't thought of that...

  6. Not clear in the article if the Share The Road signs are just for when there
    is roadwork or no shoulder. Trouble with Share the Road as a message is that
    it doesnt tell motorists _how_ they should share with cyclists. I reckon
    "Watch Out, Slow Moving Boulders the Shape of Cyclists on the Road Ahead"
    might give more the effect we are after. Or maybe, "Hit a cyclist and the
    paperwork will be terrible". In the future no doubt we will have internet
    connected cycle sensitive roads and the mere presence of a cyclist will
    automatically register on a cars navigation control, setting off the
    appropriate response after calculating that if the car is 2 m wide, the
    road lane is 3 m wide and if the cyclist is riding 1 metre out and needs a
    safe clearance of 1m then the driver is going to have to shift right about 2
    metres, if nothing is coming, to pass, and if something is coming the
    motorist is going to have to slow right down.....

    fb

    "EuanB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Shane Stanley said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    cfsmtb said:

    Personally I'm still divided about road signage. Australia would have
    to be up there with having one of the most 'cluttered' road
    environments. ie: there's signage and advertising for everything.


    Would

    Quoted message said:

    more make drivers pay attention?

    I tend to agree on the whole, however the case Euan cites is one of
    those where, I think, a lot of drivers assume the law on bike lanes
    applies to the path. If they at least dispel that notion, they may do
    some good.

    But I'm not sure about "Watch for cyclists" -- that strikes me as more
    like "Watch for trucks entering".


    That's what they have on Beach Road, which also has an off road path
    running along it. So there's a precedent, hadn't thought of that...

    --
    EuanB

  7. Fractal said:

    Not clear in the article if the Share The Road signs are just for when there
    is roadwork or no shoulder. Trouble with Share the Road as a message is that
    it doesnt tell motorists _how_ they should share with cyclists.

    Getting'em' thinking is enuff of an Everest to begin with.
    Conscious thought from a position of ignorance can be far more 'useful' than assuming a load of bollocks from the SMIDSY/I_also_ride_a_bike drivers... 🙄

  8. EuanB said:
    Shane Stanley said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    cfsmtb said:

    Personally I'm still divided about road signage. Australia would have
    to be up there with having one of the most 'cluttered' road
    environments. ie: there's signage and advertising for everything.


    Would

    Quoted message said:

    more make drivers pay attention?

    I tend to agree on the whole, however the case Euan cites is one of
    those where, I think, a lot of drivers assume the law on bike lanes
    applies to the path. If they at least dispel that notion, they may do
    some good.

    But I'm not sure about "Watch for cyclists" -- that strikes me as more
    like "Watch for trucks entering".


    That's what they have on Beach Road, which also has an off road path
    running along it. So there's a precedent, hadn't thought of that...

    There are stacks of "Watch for Cyclists" signs on the Pacific/Princes
    Highways near Sydney. However my son reckoned they were like those
    "Kangaroos Next 20km" signs, there to remind us that cyclists/kangaroos
    were once sighted in the vicinity because we didn't spot one bike rider
    during our visit.

    P

    --
    Peter McCallum
    Mackay Qld AUSTRALIA
    http://bicyclemackay.org.au

  9. Peter McCallum said:
    EuanB said:
    Shane Stanley said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    cfsmtb <[email hidden]> wrote:

    > Personally I'm still divided about road signage. Australia would have
    > to be up there with having one of the most 'cluttered' road
    > environments. ie: there's signage and advertising for everything.
    Would
    > more make drivers pay attention?
    I tend to agree on the whole, however the case Euan cites is one of
    those where, I think, a lot of drivers assume the law on bike lanes
    applies to the path. If they at least dispel that notion, they may do
    some good.

    But I'm not sure about "Watch for cyclists" -- that strikes me as more
    like "Watch for trucks entering".


    That's what they have on Beach Road, which also has an off road path
    running along it. So there's a precedent, hadn't thought of that...

    There are stacks of "Watch for Cyclists" signs on the Pacific/Princes
    Highways near Sydney. However my son reckoned they were like those
    "Kangaroos Next 20km" signs, there to remind us that cyclists/kangaroos
    were once sighted in the vicinity because we didn't spot one bike rider
    during our visit.

    Hmm, doesn't seem to be having that effect on Beach Road! ;-)
    --
    Cheers
    Euan

  10. On 2006-06-27, Euan (aka Bruce)
    was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

    Quoted message said:
    Peter McCallum said:

    There are stacks of "Watch for Cyclists" signs on the Pacific/Princes
    Highways near Sydney. However my son reckoned they were like those
    "Kangaroos Next 20km" signs, there to remind us that cyclists/kangaroos
    were once sighted in the vicinity because we didn't spot one bike rider
    during our visit.

    Hmm, doesn't seem to be having that effect on Beach Road! ;-)

    I've never seen kangaroos on beach road.

    Although I can accurately say that I've woken up to kangaroos hopping
    down the main street of my then town.

    --
    TimC
    The first time, it's a KLUDGE!
    The second, a trick.
    Later, it's a well-established technique! -- Mike Broido, Intermetrics

  11. EuanB said:
    flyingdutch said:

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jun06/jun26news2

    Pacific Coast Highway Share the Road sign unveiled

    I've been thinking about trying to ``watch for cyclists'' signs up on
    Centre Dandenong Road. It's the only road I've copped abuse on laregly
    because a shared path runs along the side of the road.

    I reckon the installation of these signs will `legitimize' my presence
    on the road.

    Thoughts?

    I am really against road signs in general. They seem to stop people
    thinking. So yeah we want street signs and any sign that helps people
    think. (I think 🙂 But I think sharing the road signs work in that
    respect. So yeah. 😉

    Dave

  12. TimC said:

    On 2006-06-27, Euan (aka Bruce)
    was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

    Quoted message said:
    Peter McCallum said:

    There are stacks of "Watch for Cyclists" signs on the Pacific/Princes
    Highways near Sydney. However my son reckoned they were like those
    "Kangaroos Next 20km" signs, there to remind us that cyclists/kangaroos
    were once sighted in the vicinity because we didn't spot one bike rider
    during our visit.

    Hmm, doesn't seem to be having that effect on Beach Road! ;-)

    I've never seen kangaroos on beach road.

    Although I can accurately say that I've woken up to kangaroos hopping
    down the main street of my then town.

    I near missed one in coburg once 🙂

    Dave

  13. "Peter McCallum" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    EuanB said:
    Shane Stanley said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    cfsmtb <[email hidden]> wrote:

    > Personally I'm still divided about road signage. Australia would


    have

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > to be up there with having one of the most 'cluttered' road
    > environments. ie: there's signage and advertising for everything.
    Would
    > more make drivers pay attention?

    I tend to agree on the whole, however the case Euan cites is one of
    those where, I think, a lot of drivers assume the law on bike lanes
    applies to the path. If they at least dispel that notion, they may do
    some good.

    But I'm not sure about "Watch for cyclists" -- that strikes me as more
    like "Watch for trucks entering".


    That's what they have on Beach Road, which also has an off road path
    running along it. So there's a precedent, hadn't thought of that...

    There are stacks of "Watch for Cyclists" signs on the Pacific/Princes
    Highways near Sydney. However my son reckoned they were like those
    "Kangaroos Next 20km" signs, there to remind us that cyclists/kangaroos
    were once sighted in the vicinity because we didn't spot one bike rider
    during our visit.


    They're the same as the ones in the Adelaide hills on the popular training
    climbs with very poor sight distance. Yellow and black signs with a
    distance underneath.
    Gemm

  14. dave said:


    I near missed one in coburg once 🙂

    Dave


    If you had a near miss, does that mean you hit it? :eek:

    Ash

  15. a5hi5m said:
    dave said:


    I near missed one in coburg once 🙂

    Dave

    If you had a near miss, does that mean you hit it? :eek:

    Ash


    🙂 Ash is my brothers name . Be very careful with it. Dont damage
    it he is an unforgiving little sod.

    Ummmm no a near miss means it was nearer to being a hit than a miss 🙂

    Ummmm Bell st it was.

    had another meeting opposite broady station. THat one took off straight
    down the middle of PascoeVale rd. Was on his side and staying in his
    lane. So if he had had lights he would have been showing a higher
    skill level than most drivers on that road after midnight but the lack
    of lights bought him down to average

    Dave

  16. Shane Stanley wrote:
    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    But I'm not sure about "Watch for cyclists" -- that strikes me as more
    like "Watch for trucks entering".

    Whereas I just thought, "Targets to your front - watch and shoot."

    Tam

  17. Peter McCallum said:


    There are stacks of "Watch for Cyclists" signs on the Pacific/Princes
    Highways near Sydney. However my son reckoned they were like those
    "Kangaroos Next 20km" signs, there to remind us that cyclists/kangaroos
    were once sighted in the vicinity because we didn't spot one bike rider
    during our visit.

    Not like these signs then?
    http://community.webshots.com/photo/549571375/2208043890074746151zdehFp

    Got to watch out for those dangerous wandering trees :-)

    --
    Cheers
    Peter

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