NY Times: "the testosterone in Landis's body came from an external source and was not naturally produced by his own system, according to a person at the International Cycling Union with knowledge of the results."
What a circus. Over here, in Ring No. 1, we have the Châtenay-Malabry lab leaking results to L'Equipe. Over there, in Ring No. 2, we have the UCI itself leaking information to the NY Times. In Ring 3 we're waiting for a special appearance by the clowns that lost Tyler Hamilton's B sample.
UCI has just violated its own rules of due process (Anti-Doping Rules, Chapter XII, "Confidentiality and Public Disclosure"😉. Well, that's just great. That clucking noise you hear is Landis' lawyer salivating.
NY Times: "the testosterone in Landis's body came from an external source and was not naturally produced by his own system, according to a person at the International Cycling Union with knowledge of the results."
What a circus. Over here, in Ring No. 1, we have the Châtenay-Malabry lab leaking results to L'Equipe. Over there, in Ring No. 2, we have the UCI itself leaking information to the NY Times. In Ring 3 we're waiting for a special appearance by the clowns that lost Tyler Hamilton's B sample.
UCI has just violated its own rules of due process (Anti-Doping Rules, Chapter XII, "Confidentiality and Public Disclosure"😉. Well, that's just great. That clucking noise you hear is Landis' lawyer salivating.
Yeah, and over here in Ring No. 3 we've got Froid leaking Test from his ears, [censored] from his mouth and who knows what else from his ass. And that sucking noise you hear is his overtaxed mitral valve regurgitating after coming off the TdF cycle.
Froid created this circus you jagoff. Hate the player not the game.
Froid created this circus you jagoff. Hate the player not the game.
Dumbass,
We all want UCI to clean house. But if they can't protect a rider's due process and a fair trial, they lose all credibility and respect and end up looking as tainted as the riders. UCI has to be absolutely above reproach if they want to clean up cycling.
Froid created this circus you jagoff. Hate the player not the game.
Dumbass,
We all want UCI to clean house. But if they can't protect a rider's due process and a fair trial, they lose all credibility and respect and end up looking as tainted as the riders. UCI has to be absolutely above reproach if they want to clean up cycling.
Listen bro, they can't help it if some underpaid desk jockey tries to make a few duckets on the side by leaking some information. That's the real world. It's not like someone leaked a false rumor. Everything leaked is true. It just came out early.
And if you'll recall Phonak announced the fact that Froid's sample came back positive - not the UCI.
Due process can occur in the public domain. It may not be pretty but that's life. [censored] like me should be able to jump in and prejudge - And so you know I'm not a hypocrite I'll say here and now that I'll toss Och's salad as penance if Froid comes back clean.
Froid created this circus you jagoff. Hate the player not the game.
Dumbass,
We all want UCI to clean house. But if they can't protect a rider's due process and a fair trial, they lose all credibility and respect and end up looking as tainted as the riders. UCI has to be absolutely above reproach if they want to clean up cycling.
Who is going to clean up athletics?
It's strange, but I haven't heard one voice defending Justin Gatlin.
Listen bro, they can't help it if some underpaid desk jockey tries to make a few duckets on the side by leaking some information. That's the real world. Â It's not like someone leaked a false rumor. Everything leaked is true. It just came out early.
How do you know it's true? I'm not a Landis fan and I'm not defending him, but until we get a formal announcement this is just speculation and rumour.
Froid created this circus you jagoff. Hate the player not the game.
Dumbass,
We all want UCI to clean house. But if they can't protect a rider's due process and a fair trial, they lose all credibility and respect and end up looking as tainted as the riders. UCI has to be absolutely above reproach if they want to clean up cycling.
Who is going to clean up athletics?
It's strange, but I haven't heard one voice defending Justin Gatlin.
USADA, not WADA, not UCI.
It's all about how it is handled. It's all about credibility in presentation. If I'm ever accused of a crime, I want someone like [censored] Pound for a prosecution witness, or even better as the prosecutor. I'll want information leaks from the lab doing the tests. Oh yeah.
Now as to the particulars of the Gatlin case, I don't know [censored]. I do know that the sanctioning and enforcing bodies have acted like grownups and have done simple little things like adhered to the timetables provided in the rules.
On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 07:28:43 GMT, Bob Martin <[email hidden]>
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Who is going to clean up athletics?
It's strange, but I haven't heard one voice defending Justin Gatlin.
Why would we be defending or attacking or anything with or about Justin Gatlin? Or Barry Bonds? Either one, or any other non-cycling possible doper planning to start racing bicycles this year or next?
Frankly, I'm waiting for the vultures to depart - who woulda known that the July vultures would actually skew the message count more toward doping rather than away - or that they would still be camped here in August?
Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on two wheels...
On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 07:28:43 GMT, Bob Martin <[email hidden]>
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Who is going to clean up athletics?
It's strange, but I haven't heard one voice defending Justin Gatlin.
Why would we be defending or attacking or anything with or about Justin Gatlin? Or Barry Bonds? Either one, or any other non-cycling possible doper planning to start racing bicycles this year or next?
I didn't mean in this newsgroup, I meant anywhere. Gatlin must have just as many fans as Landis, yet they seem to have accepted the news without the denial, outrage and bluster we see here. Just because it was in France?
On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 07:28:43 GMT, Bob Martin <[email hidden]>
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Who is going to clean up athletics?
It's strange, but I haven't heard one voice defending Justin Gatlin.
Why would we be defending or attacking or anything with or about Justin Gatlin? Or Barry Bonds? Either one, or any other non-cycling possible doper planning to start racing bicycles this year or next?
I didn't mean in this newsgroup, I meant anywhere. Gatlin must have just as many fans as Landis, yet they seem to have accepted the news without the denial, outrage and bluster we see here. Just because it was in France?
You are very wrong. There were three months between the time Gatlin was tested and the release to the press. During that time both the A and B samples where tested. There was sufficient time for a managerial review ot the testing processes and compliance with test protocols. Additional, Gatlin had been appraised of the matter and had opportunity to respond informally. All this was accomplished without prejudicial leaks which damage the athelte and maximize injury to the sport.
The "French" process (to use your frame of reference) on the other hand has mazimized damage to the rider and to the sport. But it has sold a lot of sold newspapers and furthered the interests of the dark side.
<[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news: [email hidden]...
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Bob Martin said:
in 519845 20060801 153747 Curtis L. Russell <[email hidden]>
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On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 07:28:43 GMT, Bob Martin <[email hidden]> wrote:
>Who is going to clean up athletics? > >It's strange, but I haven't heard one voice defending Justin Gatlin.
Why would we be defending or attacking or anything with or about Justin Gatlin? Or Barry Bonds? Either one, or any other non-cycling possible doper planning to start racing bicycles this year or next?
I didn't mean in this newsgroup, I meant anywhere. Gatlin must have just as many fans as Landis, yet they seem to have accepted the news without the denial, outrage and bluster we see here. Just because it was in France?
You are very wrong. There were three months between the time Gatlin was tested and the release to the press. During that time both the A and B samples where tested. There was sufficient time for a managerial review ot the testing processes and compliance with test protocols. Additional, Gatlin had been appraised of the matter and had opportunity to respond informally. All this was accomplished without prejudicial leaks which damage the athelte and maximize injury to the sport.
The "French" process (to use your frame of reference)
The French process ????
What is "a french process" if not the confirmation of what Bob tell to you. UCI, even with French name, is not French. AMA is not French.
This NG was excellent, full of Gentlemens days ago.
on the other hand
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has mazimized damage to the rider and to the sport. But it has sold a lot of sold newspapers and furthered the interests of the dark side.
<[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news: [email hidden]...
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Bob Martin said:
in 519845 20060801 153747 Curtis L. Russell <[email hidden]> wrote: >On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 07:28:43 GMT, Bob Martin <[email hidden]> >wrote: > >>Who is going to clean up athletics? >> >>It's strange, but I haven't heard one voice defending Justin Gatlin. > >Why would we be defending or attacking or anything with or about >Justin Gatlin? Or Barry Bonds? Either one, or any other non-cycling >possible doper planning to start racing bicycles this year or next?
I didn't mean in this newsgroup, I meant anywhere. Gatlin must have just as many fans as Landis, yet they seem to have accepted the news without the denial, outrage and bluster we see here. Just because it was in France?
You are very wrong. There were three months between the time Gatlin was tested and the release to the press. During that time both the A and B samples where tested. There was sufficient time for a managerial review ot the testing processes and compliance with test protocols. Additional, Gatlin had been appraised of the matter and had opportunity to respond informally. All this was accomplished without prejudicial leaks which damage the athelte and maximize injury to the sport.
The "French" process (to use your frame of reference)
The French process ????
What is "a french process" if not the confirmation of what Bob tell to you. UCI, even with French name, is not French. AMA is not French.
This NG was excellent, full of Gentlemens days ago.
Dumbass -
It's always like this. A bit of one and the other in a mix.
On 1-Aug-2006, smacked up and reeling, "DA74" <[email hidden]> blindly formulated the following incoherence:
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It's not like someone leaked a false rumor. Everything leaked is true.
..and you know this...how? --
Alright I'll bite and spoon feed you:
Rumor 1: A high profile rider in the TdF tested positive Confirmed
Rumor 2: Floyd Landis tested positive Confirmed
Rumor 3: Floyd tested positive for Testosterone Confirmed
Rumor 4: Floyd's ratio was 11:1 Confirmed (His doctor in Temecula, CA)
Rumor 5: Floyd had exogenous testosterone in his sample About to be confirmed...
Rumor 6: The lab was running tests for exogenous in addition to the ratio test. Confirmed: The lab now tests for exogenous testosterone in order for a sample to be considered positive.
<[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news: [email hidden]...
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Bob Martin said:
in 519845 20060801 153747 Curtis L. Russell <[email hidden]> wrote: >On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 07:28:43 GMT, Bob Martin <[email hidden]> >wrote: > >>Who is going to clean up athletics? >> >>It's strange, but I haven't heard one voice defending Justin Gatlin. > >Why would we be defending or attacking or anything with or about >Justin Gatlin? Or Barry Bonds? Either one, or any other non-cycling >possible doper planning to start racing bicycles this year or next?
I didn't mean in this newsgroup, I meant anywhere. Gatlin must have just as many fans as Landis, yet they seem to have accepted the news without the denial, outrage and bluster we see here. Just because it was in France?
You are very wrong. There were three months between the time Gatlin was tested and the release to the press. During that time both the A and B samples where tested. There was sufficient time for a managerial review ot the testing processes and compliance with test protocols. Additional, Gatlin had been appraised of the matter and had opportunity to respond informally. All this was accomplished without prejudicial leaks which damage the athelte and maximize injury to the sport.
The "French" process (to use your frame of reference)
The French process ????
What is "a french process" if not the confirmation of what Bob tell to you. UCI, even with French name, is not French. AMA is not French.
This NG was excellent, full of Gentlemens days ago.
on the other hand
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has mazimized damage to the rider and to the sport. But it has sold a lot of sold newspapers and furthered the interests of the dark side.
The French process is the buffonery that has be going on for a week before your eyes. There was a time when the French where master of the farce, on the stage. Now they act it out in Paris itself. Wake up and look around you, you are part of it.
It's all about how it is handled. It's all about credibility in presentation. If I'm ever accused of a crime, I want someone like [censored] Pound for a prosecution witness, or even better as the prosecutor. I'll want information leaks from the lab doing the tests. Oh yeah.
Exactly. And now I see Floyd Landis' attorney objecting to UCI's conduct, as well he should:
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[AP] The attorney for cyclist Floyd Landis took issue with the International Cycling Union for leaking the results of the Tour de France winner's positive "A" sample drug test, saying it breached the organization's own rules.
Results of the second or "B" sample are set to be released on Saturday, and until they are completed, "it should be strongly noted that there is not even a formal doping charge that has been filed against Mr. Landis," attorney Howard Jacobs said.
Jacobs said he was "troubled by the actions of the UCI and how they have spoken out about this case, which is in direct contravention of the UCI's own rules and the World Anti-Doping Code.
