Sexual attraction between professional and client

Reason #26 most people would prefer to get a massage from a woman. IMHO.

Does anyone have the actual breakdown male versus female MT's? Legitimate, I mean.

If you DO ever act on your impulses you will be in deep sheet and probably near the end of
your career.

CB

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New take on an old topic:

In preparation for launching a career in this field of massage therapy, I have been asking myself
any and all questions I can think of regarding a fit. I know that I like giving and receiving
massage, and have been told many times that I have a natural ability, which is why I am motivated
to pursue it.

Probably the biggest concern I (and my wife) have is my tendency to

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I have never acted on these attractions beyond flirting, but in a field where there is a lot of
physical contact and intimacy, I wonder how that tendency might play out. I'll also add that a
couple of the women I have had crushes on are close and long-time freinds of mine and my wife.

There, I've bared my soul (so to speak). I wonder if there are experiences out there I can learn
from, or advice in this area that anyone might have. Thanks.

Though I see where you are coming from Cloud, women are prone to also fall

client who told me a female therapist wanted to do extras for him and was upset when he said no.

There are less male therapists due to this thinking that men can't control their urges, but of
course, women can.

As for the man who posted stating he has a tendency to have crushes.... don't get into massage. It
sounds to risky for you. Your honesty is to be commended. Flirting in the massage office will only
make some women uncomfortable while others might take you serious. When I decided my calling was in
the bodywork field, I never once thought that I might fall for a client. That your in that mind set
is a bit worrisome. You know yourself better then anyone. Listen to yourself. Or another way to look
at it, once you start doing massage, you might find you don't have crushes, as you will look at your
clients in a different way then you would someone you meet on the street.

I add, one of my favorite MT's I see is a male. 🙂

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Reason #26 most people would prefer to get a massage from a woman. IMHO.

Does anyone have the actual breakdown male versus female MT's? Legitimate, I mean.

If you DO ever act on your impulses you will be in deep sheet and probably near the end of
your career.

CB

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New take on an old topic:

In preparation for launching a career in this field of massage therapy, I have been asking myself
any and all questions I can think of regarding a fit. I know that I like giving and receiving
massage, and have been told many times that I have a natural ability, which is why I am motivated
to pursue it.

Probably the biggest concern I (and my wife) have is my tendency to

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I have never acted on these attractions beyond flirting, but in a field where there is a lot of
physical contact and intimacy, I wonder how that tendency might play out. I'll also add that a
couple of the women I have had crushes on are close and long-time freinds of mine and my wife.

There, I've bared my soul (so to speak). I wonder if there are experiences out there I can learn
from, or advice in this area that anyone might have. Thanks.

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As for the man who posted stating he has a tendency to have crushes.... don't get into massage. It
sounds to risky for you. Your honesty is to be commended. Flirting in the massage office will only
make some women uncomfortable while others might take you serious.

I agree, it sounds risky for you and that might be a reason you find something other than massage
to get into.

Ben

Hello....First thing first, I agree that massage is more then likely not the career for you. Like
Tiffany, I never thought about falling for clients. Don't risk your marriage, and as Cloud said, you
can make one wrong move, and find yourself in some hot water. Its not worth it.

God Bless you Tiffany for sticking up for male MT's. I doubt there are more then the few
obvious reasons some people choose a female over a male therapist. As for legitimate, just
take a look at one of those free weekend papers that circulate in most city's, and you will
see that the women who offer non-legitimate massage out number the men by a huge margin.

When your a guy in this field, you have to be respectful & consistent at all times. It
takes longer to build a clients trust. Reputation is everything. If a guy is not on the up
& up in this field, he will be called out fast, his bad reputation will follow him...and he
never will build up a client base.

thanks, Brian

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(Tiffany) Though I see where you are coming from Cloud, women are prone to also

a male client who told me a female therapist wanted to do extras for him and was upset when he said
no. There are less male therapists due to this thinking that men can't control their urges, but of
course, women can. As for the man who posted stating he has a tendency to have crushes.... don't get
into massage. It sounds to risky for you. Your honesty is to be commended. Flirting in the massage
office will only make some women uncomfortable while others might take you serious. When I decided
my calling was in the bodywork field, I never once thought that I might fall for a client. That your
in that mind set is a bit worrisome. You know yourself better then anyone. Listen to yourself. Or
another way to look at it, once you start doing massage, you might find you don't have crushes, as
you will look at your clients in a different way then you would someone you meet on the street. I
add, one of my favorite MT's I see is a male. 🙂 T Cloud Burst <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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massage from a woman. IMHO. Does anyone have the actual breakdown male versus female MT's?
Legitimate, I mean. If you DO ever act on your impulses you will be in deep sheet and probably near
the end of your career. CB

I appreciate all the feedback. I probably asked for exactly what I got. However, I will say that I
believe I have pretty good impulse control. I am working on this issue in advance of any interface
with clients so that it will not become something I will regret down the road. I am determined to at
least try this on as a profession with the hope that, having addressed my concerns early on and
through my training, I will be prepared when the time comes to work with clients.

Ya know, any kind of clinical practice needs a very clinical attitude. Besides, if another woman is
invited into the mix, it needs to be your wife that does the inviting.

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I appreciate all the feedback. I probably asked for exactly what I got. However, I will say that I
believe I have pretty good impulse control. I am working on this issue in advance of any interface
with clients so that it will not become something I will regret down the road. I am determined to
at least try this on as a profession with the hope that, having addressed my concerns early on and
through my training, I will be prepared when the time comes to work with clients.

Speaking as a male therapist with a clientele that is mostly female...."pretty good impulse control"
is not enough. You really MUST go in with an attitude that you are there to provide ONLY massage
therapy and

who are experienced in receiving bodywork can feel if you are paying attention to what you're doing.
They can also "get a vibe" from you if you are "less than clinically minded". Think very carefully
about what you're doing if you think there is any chance of you going into this with a less than
"therapy only" attititude.

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I appreciate all the feedback. I probably asked for exactly what I got. However, I will say that I
believe I have pretty good impulse control. I am working on this issue in advance of any interface
with clients so that it will not become something I will regret down the road. I am determined to
at least try this on as a profession with the hope that, having addressed my concerns early on and
through my training, I will be prepared when the time comes to work with clients.

Greg, I agree with you that recognizing and addressing any potential problems before entering into a
profession is wise. Examining your issues on a personal level is the first step towards separating
them from your professional role, and I commend you for doing so. While I also agree with the other
posts that you must be absolutely sure of your ability to maintain a clinical approach before
getting into an inappropriate situation, I don't think you are the first person to ever face this
challenge, nor do I believe it is just cause to simply abandon your intention to practice massage.

I am now happily engaged, but when I first became a massage therapist, I was

environment frequently presented the possibility of physical attraction. Not so in my office. I
realized that clients come to me for therapeutic reasons, and it is my professional responsibility
to view them solely in this light. Having a firm grasp on how important this responsibility is made
it easy to clearly delineate my professional and personal selves.

I have two pieces of advice for you: First, if at all possible, set up your practice in an office or
other therapeutic setting, rather than in your home or traveling to the homes of clients. Working in
a professional environment makes it easier for you to assume that role. Second, avoid working on the
close and long-time female friends you mentioned, at least until you've established your
professional boundaries.

attraction to, even with the intention of testing your impulse control, is setting yourself up
for failure.

Best of luck in your journey of self-discovery. Erin

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I appreciate all the feedback. I probably asked for exactly what I got. However, I will say that I
believe I have pretty good impulse control. I am working on this issue in advance of any interface
with clients so that it will not become something I will regret down the road. I am determined to
at least try this on as a profession with the hope that, having addressed my concerns early on and
through my training, I will be prepared when the time comes to work with clients.

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Greg, I agree with you that recognizing and addressing any potential problems before entering into
a profession is wise. Examining your issues on a personal level is the first step towards
separating them from your professional role, and I commend you for doing so. While I also agree
with the other posts that you must be absolutely sure of your ability to maintain a clinical
approach before getting into an inappropriate situation, I don't think you are the first person to
ever face this challenge, nor do I believe it is just cause to simply abandon your intention to
practice massage.

I am now happily engaged, but when I first became a massage therapist, I was

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environment frequently presented the possibility of physical attraction. Not so in my office. I
realized that clients come to me for therapeutic reasons, and it is my professional responsibility
to view them solely in this light. Having a firm grasp on how important this responsibility is
made it easy to clearly delineate my professional and personal selves.

I have two pieces of advice for you: First, if at all possible, set up your practice in an office
or other therapeutic setting, rather than in your home or traveling to the homes of clients.
Working in a professional environment makes it easier for you to assume that role. Second, avoid
working on the close and long-time female friends you mentioned, at least until you've established
your professional boundaries.

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attraction to, even with the intention of testing your impulse control, is setting yourself up for
failure.

Best of luck in your journey of self-discovery. Erin

Thanks for the suggestions and compassionate approach, Erin. I was beginning to feel pretty lonely
here. There is not much likelihood that I will be working on any of the women I mentioned before,
for exactly the reason you stated. I think it would be uncomfortable all around. I had been thinking
of setting up a studio in my house, but can see the advantage of an office. My plan is to become
involved in a more public setting to begin with anyway; spa or gym, some place where I can build up
experience, and potentially clientelle. I won't be liscensed for a while yet, so at least I won't
have to deal with that right away.

When I do a massage, I make sure the person knows that even if they were in a busy hallway, they
would not be exposed. I get several people that have never had a professional massage before. And
when I do one at my house, I keep the room door open, and my wife is responsible for scheduling
them. So she sees to it that she is not working on the Saturday that a massage is scheduled. Plain
and simple, there should not be anything going on that you would be reluctant to have your wife see.
Anybody that wants any other variety of massage can find plenty of them in the newspaper, often in
the sports section, along with the strip joints and the [censored] shops.

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Greg, I agree with you that recognizing and addressing any potential problems before entering
into a profession is wise. Examining your issues on a personal level is the first step towards
separating them from your professional role, and I commend you for doing so. While I also agree

with

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the other posts that you must be absolutely sure of your ability to

maintain

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a clinical approach before getting into an inappropriate situation, I

don't

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think you are the first person to ever face this challenge, nor do I

believe

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it is just cause to simply abandon your intention to practice massage.

I am now happily engaged, but when I first became a massage therapist, I

was

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environment frequently presented the possibility of physical attraction.

Not

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so in my office. I realized that clients come to me for therapeutic

reasons,

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and it is my professional responsibility to view them solely in this

light.

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Having a firm grasp on how important this responsibility is made it easy

to

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clearly delineate my professional and personal selves.

I have two pieces of advice for you: First, if at all possible, set up your practice in an
office or

other

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therapeutic setting, rather than in your home or traveling to the homes

of

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clients. Working in a professional environment makes it easier for you

to

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assume that role. Second, avoid working on the close and long-time female friends you mentioned,
at least until you've established your professional

boundaries.

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attraction to, even with the intention of testing your impulse control,

is

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setting yourself up for failure.

Best of luck in your journey of self-discovery. Erin

Thanks for the suggestions and compassionate approach, Erin. I was beginning to feel pretty lonely
here. There is not much likelihood that I will be working on any of the women I mentioned before,
for exactly the reason you stated. I think it would be uncomfortable all around. I had been
thinking of setting up a studio in my house, but can see the advantage of an office. My plan is to
become involved in a more public setting to begin with anyway; spa or gym, some place where I can
build up experience, and potentially clientelle. I won't be liscensed for a while yet, so at least
I won't have to deal with that right away.

Just found a reprint of a fantastic article in "Massage Therapy Journal" Summer, 2000

If I could post a link, I would. It's definitely worth a look.

I am a male therapist with a clientele of 99.99% female and many who are athletes. My practice has
grown by word of mouth, I had no idea when I first started that this is the way it would be. Females
and men that receive body work do not recommend one another and stay with in their gender group
unless it is to refer their spouse. You may end up with a all male client base or a mixture, know
one really knows in the beginning.

Greg I would really consider motivations before entering in to this vocation. Women can pick up on
motivations, your hands will tell them this. Our job as a male therapist is to normalize soft
tissue dysfunction and/or relax the nervous system, Each woman has a real life back home away from
the table and we must not interfere with this.

Best Regards,

JB

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New take on an old topic:

In preparation for launching a career in this field of massage therapy, I have been asking myself
any and all questions I can think of regarding a fit. I know that I like giving and receiving
massage, and have been told many times that I have a natural ability, which is why I am motivated
to pursue it.

Probably the biggest concern I (and my wife) have is my tendency to

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I have never acted on these attractions beyond flirting, but in a field where there is a lot of
physical contact and intimacy, I wonder how that tendency might play out. I'll also add that a
couple of the women I have had crushes on are close and long-time freinds of mine and my wife.

There, I've bared my soul (so to speak). I wonder if there are experiences out there I can learn
from, or advice in this area that anyone might have. Thanks.

I am a male therapist with a clientele of 99.99% female and many who are athletes. My practice has
grown by word of mouth, I had no idea when I first started that this is the way it would be. Females
and men that receive body work do not recommend one another and stay with in their gender group
unless it is to refer their spouse. You may end up with a all male client base or a mixture, know
one really knows in the beginning. Greg I would really consider motivations before entering in to
this vocation. Women can pick up on motivations, your hands will tell them this. Our job as a male
therapist is to normalize soft tissue dysfunction and/or relax the nervous system, Each woman has a
real life back home away from the table and we must not interfere with this.

Thanks JB

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New take on an old topic:

In preparation for launching a career in this field of massage therapy, I have been asking myself
any and all questions I can think of regarding a fit. I know that I like giving and receiving
massage, and have been told many times that I have a natural ability, which is why I am motivated
to pursue it.

Probably the biggest concern I (and my wife) have is my tendency to

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I have never acted on these attractions beyond flirting, but in a field where there is a lot of
physical contact and intimacy, I wonder how that tendency might play out. I'll also add that a
couple of the women I have had crushes on are close and long-time freinds of mine and my wife.

There, I've bared my soul (so to speak). I wonder if there are experiences out there I can learn
from, or advice in this area that anyone might have. Thanks.

Hey, that shouldn't be a problem. Here it is.

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Just found a reprint of a fantastic article in "Massage Therapy Journal" Summer, 2000

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If I could post a link, I would. It's definitely worth a look.

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Hey, that shouldn't be a problem. Here it is.

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Just found a reprint of a fantastic article in "Massage Therapy Journal" Summer, 2000

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If I could post a link, I would. It's definitely worth a look.

I was surprised to read something so ethically lenient as the following:

"If, despite all cautions and proper behavior in the massage room, the therapist and the client
fall in love and move into a romantic relationship, then their professional roles as therapist and
client must cease. Then who massages whom becomes a private matter apart from the massage room."

The problem is people can fall out of love as sad as it may be. To add insult to injury, even though
it became a private matter, the fact is the two people met at the professional massage setting, and
reputations could get damaged. That says nothing of the ethics of it; I think the quote says it all,
but what caution one must have...

It's a chemistry thing

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The problem is people can fall out of love as sad as it may be. To add insult to injury, even
though it became a private matter, the fact is the two people met at the professional massage
setting, and reputations could get damaged. That says nothing of the ethics of it; I think the
quote says it all, but what caution one must have...

great link Michael! I read your posts for the links.. and learn much!
Thanks.. Mj
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It's a chemistry thing

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The problem is people can fall out of love as sad as it may be. To add insult to injury, even
though it became a private matter, the fact is the two people met at the professional massage
setting, and reputations could get damaged. That says nothing of the ethics of it; I think the
quote says it all, but what caution one must have...

But then, what isn't?

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It's a chemistry thing

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The problem is people can fall out of love as sad as it may be. To add insult to injury, even
though it became a private matter, the fact is the two people met at the professional massage
setting, and reputations could get damaged. That says nothing of the ethics of it; I think the
quote says it all, but what caution one must have...

Ditto....can I say that here? I appreciate you posting the original link, and enjoyed the "chemical"
link. One thing that I always wonder about when chemistry is used to explain things like
behavior...which came first, the chicken or the egg? Does internal chemistry drive the action, or is
it a result of the action?

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great link Michael! I read your posts for the links.. and learn much! Thanks.. Mj "Michael Baugh"
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The problem is people can fall out of love as sad as it may be. To add insult to injury, even
though it became a private matter, the fact is the two people met at the professional massage
setting, and reputations could get damaged. That says nothing of the ethics of it; I think the
quote says it all, but what caution one must have...