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Clear Channel, the great company who had to be bullied into doing anything about 3 of it's DJ
advocating violence against cyclists,

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Paris Hilton...The moral of the story violence is alright as long as everyone stays clothed...

what the hell is america coming to when talking about something that everyone enjoys is evil and
incinting violence is A-okay.

It's just part of the ethics that the Puritans brought with them and that the Christian Right has
inherited..

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B. Lafferty said:

"Steven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Clear Channel, the great company who had to be bullied into doing anything about 3 of it's DJ
advocating violence against cyclists,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Paris Hilton...The moral of the story violence is alright as long as everyone stays clothed...

what the hell is america coming to when talking about something that everyone enjoys is evil and
incinting violence is A-okay.

It's just part of the ethics that the Puritans brought with them and that the Christian Right has
inherited..

The 2004 amendment ot the 1st amendment...

Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion (a), or prohibiting
the free exercise thereof (a); or abridging the freedom of speech (b), or of the press (c); or the
right of the people peaceably to assemble (d), and to petition the Government for a redress of
grievances (e).

(a) as long as you are Christian

(b) as long as you don't say anything that offends those in power

(c) as long as you contribute to the RNC or it's candidates

(d) at our campaign rallies

(e) bring your checkbook

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On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:29:08 GMT, "B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]>

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Clear Channel, the great company who had to be bullied into doing anything about 3 of it's DJ
advocating violence against cyclists,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Paris Hilton...The moral of the story violence is alright as long as everyone stays clothed...

what the hell is america coming to when talking about something that everyone enjoys is evil and
incinting violence is A-okay.

It's just part of the ethics that the Puritans brought with them and that the Christian Right has
inherited..

Except maybe the record fine, paid in real money, had something to do with the firing. Clear Channel
probably doesn't care a rats behind about either if ratings are up and the Feds don't penalize them.

Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on two wheels...

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B. Lafferty said:

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Clear Channel, the great company who had to be bullied into doing anything about 3 of it's DJ
advocating violence against cyclists,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

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Paris Hilton...The moral of the story violence is alright as long as everyone stays clothed...
what the hell is america coming to when talking about something that everyone enjoys is evil and
incinting violence is A-okay.

It's just part of the ethics that the Puritans brought with them and that the Christian Right has
inherited..

Except maybe the record fine, paid in real money, had something to do with the firing. Clear
Channel probably doesn't care a rats behind about either if ratings are up and the Feds don't
penalize them.

Fired? When did he get fired? I listened to him this morning. He mentioned be off the air in 6
markets, but he was still broadcasting in his home market, NYC.
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Alex

On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:10:43 -0500, Alex Rodriguez <[email hidden]>

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Fired? When did he get fired? I listened to him this morning. He mentioned be off the air in 6
markets, but he was still broadcasting in his home market, NYC.

The article I read said that after the $ 755,000 fine, Bubba the Love Sponge was terminated. Another
article said fired. Both are about a week after articles that referenced a suspension. Maybe CC
thought they could make a misleading press release, then go back to business as usual.

Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on two wheels...

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Alex Rodriguez said:

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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B. Lafferty said:

> Clear Channel, the great company who had to be bullied into doing anything about 3 of it's DJ
> advocating violence against cyclists,

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> Paris Hilton...The moral of the story violence is alright as long as everyone stays clothed...
> what the hell is america coming to when talking about something that everyone enjoys is evil
> and incinting violence is A-okay.
It's just part of the ethics that the Puritans brought with them and that the Christian Right
has inherited..

Except maybe the record fine, paid in real money, had something to do with the firing. Clear
Channel probably doesn't care a rats behind about either if ratings are up and the Feds don't
penalize them.

Fired? When did he get fired? I listened to him this morning. He mentioned be off the air in 6
markets, but he was still broadcasting in his home market, NYC.

He was on six Clear Channel stations. Those six took him off the air.

KP

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On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:29:08 GMT, "B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]>

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"Steven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Clear Channel, the great company who had to be bullied into doing anything about 3 of it's DJ
advocating violence against cyclists,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Paris Hilton...The moral of the story violence is alright as long as everyone stays clothed...

what the hell is america coming to when talking about something that everyone enjoys is evil and
incinting violence is A-okay.

It's just part of the ethics that the Puritans brought with them and that the Christian Right has
inherited..

Wrong, it's part of the CYA ethics CC has recently gained after being fined $750,000 for some dumb
ass DJ going overboard on the air. Before that they didn't care. $$$'s talk.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Curtis L. Russell said:

Alex Rodriguez said:

Fired? When did he get fired? I listened to him this morning. He mentioned be off the air in 6
markets, but he was still broadcasting in his home market, NYC.

The article I read said that after the $ 755,000 fine, Bubba the Love Sponge was terminated.
Another article said fired. Both are about a week after articles that referenced a suspension.
Maybe CC thought they could make a misleading press release, then go back to business as usual.

Curtis, for CC, making misleading press statements -is- business as usual.

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Lindsay said:

B. Lafferty said:

"Steven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Clear Channel, the great company who had to be bullied into doing anything about 3 of it's DJ
advocating violence against cyclists,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Paris Hilton...The moral of the story violence is alright as long as everyone stays clothed...

what the hell is america coming to when talking about something that everyone enjoys is evil
and incinting violence is A-okay.

It's just part of the ethics that the Puritans brought with them and that the Christian Right has
inherited..

Wrong, it's part of the CYA ethics CC has recently gained after being fined $750,000 for some dumb
ass DJ going overboard on the air. Before that they didn't care. $$$'s talk.

I would tend to think that $750k is but walking-around money for Clear Channel. In fact, I'd
bet that they'd tend to think of that fine as money- well-spent - a big fine creates
listener interest. At least, that would be true under normal circumstances, but after the
'horrors the nation was subjected to' at the Superbowl halftime show, it probably seems
expedient to CC to feign shock over the same kind of behavior they pay Stern and co. big
bucks to engage in all the time.

On the other hand, there was this quote I read:

"I heard Stern the morning of program that led to his removal. In the segment leading up to [the]
one that got him in trouble he was on a brillant satirical riff on the Janet Jackson "crisis" that
ended with him telling the audience that Bush had to go and that he was a one-termer just like his
father. It was overtly anti-Bush in tone and he built up to it with the JJ thing and telling the
government to start worrying about real problems like Iraq. He was pulled the next day." Via the
Whiskey Bar: <http://billmon.org/archives/001115.html> (Nice pic, eh?)

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I would tend to think that $750k is but walking-around money for Clear Channel. In fact, I'd
bet that they'd tend to think of that fine as money- well-spent - a big fine creates listener
interest. At least, that would be true under normal circumstances, but after the 'horrors the
nation was subjected to' at the Superbowl halftime show, it probably seems expedient to CC to
feign shock over the same kind of behavior they pay Stern and co. big bucks to engage in all
the time.

They pay Howard because he brings in big ratings. They don't really control what he does. If
they could do that, they could probably pay someone else less money who would do what they
wanted him to do.

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On the other hand, there was this quote I read: "I heard Stern the morning of program that led
to his removal. In the segment leading up to [the] one that got him in trouble he was on a
brillant satirical riff on the Janet Jackson "crisis" that ended with him telling the audience
that Bush had to go and that he was a one-termer just like his father. It was overtly anti-Bush
in tone and he built up to it with the JJ thing and telling the government to start worrying
about real problems like Iraq. He was pulled the next day." Via the Whiskey Bar:
<http://billmon.org/archives/001115.html> (Nice pic, eh?)

On yesterdays show he kept mentioning how unhappy he was with Bush and how he really wante to do
what ever he could to make sure he would not get re-elected.
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Alex

Take it easy. This is just one of those things that you have to learn to live with when you live in
a police state. Adapt.

Ken Prager said:

In article <[email hidden]>, "B. Lafferty"

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"Steven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

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Clear Channel, the great company who had to be bullied into doing anything about 3 of it's DJ
advocating violence against cyclists,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Paris Hilton...The moral of the story violence is alright as long as everyone stays clothed...

what the hell is america coming to when talking about something that everyone enjoys is evil and
incinting violence is A-okay.

It's just part of the ethics that the Puritans brought with them and that the Christian Right has
inherited..

The 2004 amendment ot the 1st amendment...

Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion (a), or prohibiting
the free exercise thereof (a); or abridging the freedom of speech (b), or of the press (c); or the
right of the people peaceably to assemble (d), and to petition the Government for a redress of
grievances (e).

(a) as long as you are Christian

(b) as long as you don't say anything that offends those in power

(c) as long as you contribute to the RNC or it's candidates

(d) at our campaign rallies

(e) bring your checkbook

Lindsay said:

B. Lafferty said:

"Steven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

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Clear Channel, the great company who had to be bullied into doing anything about 3 of it's DJ
advocating violence against cyclists,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Paris Hilton...The moral of the story violence is alright as long as everyone stays clothed...

what the hell is america coming to when talking about something that everyone enjoys is evil and
incinting violence is A-okay.

It's just part of the ethics that the Puritans brought with them and that the Christian Right has
inherited..

Wrong, it's part of the CYA ethics CC has recently gained after being fined $750,000 for some dumb
ass DJ going overboard on the air. Before that they didn't care. $$$'s talk.

I thought it was more the backlash after the Janet Jackson/Justin Timberlake wardrobe malfunction.

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Tom Kunich said:

"TritonRider" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040229182310.15073.00000653@mb-
m18.aol.com...

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From: Tim Lines [email hidden]

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Take it easy. This is just one of those things that you have to learn to live with when you
live in a police state. Adapt.

Dumbass You really need to get a grip. Stupid MFers like you have no clue about reality. As bad
as the Asscroft clowns are, they are not dragging people

out of

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their homes, never to be seen again like your hero Fidel. I'd say screw you, but I don't do
chimps.

Tell him Bill. Castro has been charged with murdering thousands. On the first day in office his
brother rounded up 70 soldiers that were in the service of Bautista (who, BTW, had PARDONED
Castro's 30 year sentence for attempting to overthrow the government originally!) and killed them
all. For purposes of publicity they did have a kangaroo court. As he has in most of these summery
executions.

The next time you see something about Castro sending "medical doctors" to third world nations just
remember that his own citizens are mostly on subsistance living standards and cannot see doctors
themselves.

I'm no fan of Fidel Castro (hard to believe, I know...), but I find it worthwhile to take
almost all info about the place (whether from left or right) with a big grain of salt. Much of
it is written by people who have their own axe to grind.

As for the standard of living there, the embargo might have a little to do with that. I'm not so
sure that the standard would be any better than what you describe under the Bautista rule than it
would be under a non-embargo Castro rule.

Oh, by the way, better a summery execution than a wintery one, right? heh...

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Tom Kunich said:

purposes of publicity they did have a kangaroo court. As he has in most of these summery
executions.

Is that like a Prague Springy or something?

"Howard Kveck" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Tell him Bill. Castro has been charged with murdering thousands. On the first day in office his
brother rounded up 70 soldiers that were in the service of Bautista (who, BTW, had PARDONED
Castro's 30 year sentence

for

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attempting to overthrow the government originally!) and killed them all.

For

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purposes of publicity they did have a kangaroo court. As he has in most

of

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these summery executions.

The next time you see something about Castro sending "medical doctors"

to

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third world nations just remember that his own citizens are mostly on subsistance living
standards and cannot see doctors themselves.

I'm no fan of Fidel Castro (hard to believe, I know...), but I find

it

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worthwhile to take almost all info about the place (whether from left or right) with a big grain
of salt. Much of it is written by people who have their own axe to grind.

As for the standard of living there, the embargo might have a little to do with that. I'm not
so sure that the standard would be any better than what you describe under the Bautista rule
than it would be under a non-embargo Castro rule.

The embargo has something to do with it, but IMO not as much as it would seem. Remember, the embargo
is _not_ an international arrangement; it is only the USA that is economically shutting down trade
with Cuba. Cuba is free to trade with every other nation on the planet and Cuba's doors are open for
Americans to visit there, (IIRC) visa not required. Also, there are non-Cuban citizens flying and
sailing between Cuba and the USA every day. The Customs agents in South Florida know it, but under
the current laws there is nothing they could do about it even if they wanted to (which I am inclined
to think that they don't). In terms of everyday life (I can feel the flames coming on already),
being politically oppressed in Cuba is not much different than being economically oppressed in other
destitute third world countries. Your opportunities in life are not extremely different.

Would I rather live in Cuba than Haiti (at any point in time, not just now) or many African nations?
You'd better believe it.

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Carl Sundquist said:

The embargo has something to do with it, but IMO not as much as it would seem. Remember, the
embargo is _not_ an international arrangement; it is only the USA that is economically shutting
down trade with Cuba. Cuba is free to trade with every other nation on the planet and Cuba's doors
are open for Americans to visit there, (IIRC) visa not required.

As far as I remember, the NATO allies are also involved in the embargo. Plus US companies are
penalized if their foreign subsidiaries do business in Cuba (the Helms-Burton Act and the Mack
Act), though private groups are allowed to deliver food and medicine (with restrictions).

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In terms of everyday life (I can feel the flames coming on already), being politically oppressed
in Cuba is not much different than being economically oppressed in other destitute third world
countries. Your opportunities in life are not extremely different.

I'd wholeheartedly agree with that.

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Would I rather live in Cuba than Haiti (at any point in time, not just now) or many African
nations? You'd better believe it.

There is something to be said for stability, right?

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"Howard Kveck" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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In article said:

The embargo has something to do with it, but IMO not as much as it would seem. Remember, the
embargo is _not_ an international arrangement; it is only the USA that is economically shutting
down trade with Cuba. Cuba is free to trade with every other nation on the planet and Cuba's
doors are open for Americans to visit there, (IIRC) visa not required.

As far as I remember, the NATO allies are also involved in the embargo. Plus US companies are
penalized if their foreign subsidiaries do business in Cuba (the Helms-Burton Act and the Mack
Act), though private groups are allowed to deliver food and medicine (with restrictions).

There may be different levels of commitment for NATO countries. For example, Air Canada and Iberia
(Spanish national airline) fly there. I also found a German website that appeared to list flights
with Air France, Air Portugal, Lufthansa, KLM (Dutch), and Martinair Holland as flying to Havana.
You did refresh my memory about the subsidiaries of US companies, though.

It has only been in the past decade that Cuba has sought foreign investment. Since Cuba
commandeered and nationalized all the foreign businesses in the country shortly after Castro
came to power, I can only imagine that many companies (other than the tourism industry) are
leery of putting much capital into a business there. Also, (iirc) like the USSR before it, Cuba
doesn't really have a hard currency, making it that much more difficult for foreign investors to
justify the risk.

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In terms of everyday life (I can feel the flames coming on already),

being

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politically oppressed in Cuba is not much different than being

economically

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oppressed in other destitute third world countries. Your opportunities

in

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life are not extremely different.

I'd wholeheartedly agree with that.

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Would I rather live in Cuba than Haiti (at any point in time, not just

now)

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or many African nations? You'd better believe it.

There is something to be said for stability, right?

In article <[email hidden]>,

Carl Sundquist said:

There may be different levels of commitment for NATO countries. For example, Air Canada and Iberia
(Spanish national airline) fly there. I also found a German website that appeared to list flights
with Air France, Air Portugal, Lufthansa, KLM (Dutch), and Martinair Holland as flying to Havana.
You did refresh my memory about the subsidiaries of US companies, though.

I'm pretty sure that Canada opted out of the embargo. (Confirmation on that, Kyle?) By the way,
have you seen the votes in the UN on ending the embargo? It's been fairly consistently everyone
for ending vs. the US and Israel (and sometimes one other country, like Uzbekistan or the
Marshall Islands) wanting to continue.

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It has only been in the past decade that Cuba has sought foreign investment. Since Cuba
commandeered and nationalized all the foreign businesses in the country shortly after Castro came
to power, I can only imagine that many companies (other than the tourism industry) are leery of
putting much capital into a business there. Also, (iirc) like the USSR before it, Cuba doesn't
really have a hard currency, making it that much more difficult for foreign investors to justify
the risk.

I think you're probably right there. But it does seem like if we started normalized trade with
Cuba, it would likely be the thing that starts the ball rolling to change the situation for
the better.

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"Howard Kveck" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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I'm pretty sure that Canada opted out of the embargo. (Confirmation on that, Kyle?) By the way,
have you seen the votes in the UN on ending the embargo? It's been fairly consistently everyone
for ending vs. the US and Israel (and sometimes one other country, like Uzbekistan or the
Marshall Islands) wanting to continue.

Which says a great deal about how other NATO countries are supporting the US on the issue.
Incidentally, I couldn't find anything showing where NATO officially made an agreement to be part of
the embargo, only where the US wanted their compliance.

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It has only been in the past decade that Cuba has sought foreign investment. Since Cuba
commandeered and nationalized all the foreign businesses in the country shortly after Castro
came to power, I can only imagine that many companies (other than the tourism industry) are
leery

of

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putting much capital into a business there. Also, (iirc) like the USSR before it, Cuba doesn't
really have a hard currency, making it that much more difficult for foreign investors to justify
the risk.

I think you're probably right there. But it does seem like if we

started

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normalized trade with Cuba, it would likely be the thing that starts the ball rolling to change
the situation for the better.

It would, in the same sense that a healthier economy would improve any third world country's
situation. However, improved trade isn't the whole answer. What is the US's current trade deficit
with China?

I've had the impression that in a way, Cubans view themselves not unlike Aussies and New Zealanders:
being set apart from the rest of the world, they've had to look after themselves and get ahead
through cunning, ingenuity, and hard work above and beyond the typical. I also think that should
economic/political constraints be removed, Cuba would be far ahead of their economically challenged
brethren, as I think the former USSR provided them with intellectual resources that would boost them
beyond a tourism/agriculture based economy.

Should the walls of the embargo come down, I am afraid that the exploitation of the island and it's
people would be quick and would be enormous. IIRC, it was rumored that the Cuban American National
Foundation (one of the most ardent supporters of the embargo, BTW) has had plans in place for years
to be the force behind a new government in Cuba. Unfortunately for them, their most visible leader,
Jorge Mas Canosa, did not manage to outlast Castro and passed away in 1997.