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  1. Hi Everyone,

    On June 3, 2006 I am organizing the Los Angeles Unicycle Roundup with
    the help of John Long (vivalargo). As part of the activities we are
    working towards doing a trials competition on the man made rock
    formations around the children’s play area.

    I am looking for suggestions on how to set up the scoring for the
    competition. One way would be to use the Kris Holm trials rules found
    here http://www.unicycling.org/iuf/rulebook/trials.html However, this
    is a small affair and I don’t think we need all the rules and penalties
    at this time.

    At the Cal MUni weekend last year, the trials competition scoring
    system was really simple and seemed to work very well. Riders were
    given a certain amount of time to ride all the sections. I think it
    was an hour. Each time a rider completed a section, they received one
    point from an observer/judge. Riders could attempt a section as many
    times as they wanted. I am leaning towards this idea, but I am also
    looking for any other ideas that could be considered.

    Also, there are some very strong riders in the trials group that might
    be able to clean all the sections. Does anyone have any ideas for a
    tie breaker?

    Finally, I am considering using chalk to mark the sections. At the
    Keyesville trials competition, the sections were laide out using
    plastic ribbon that was taped down onto the rocks with duct tape. Does
    anyone have any other suggestions? The man made rock formations are
    made out of concrete, but from a few feet away, they appear to be
    real.

    Thanks

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  2. Hmm, i don't think you need too many rules.

    First select a line, the difficulty of it shouldn't really matter, some
    lines will be hard, some will be easy. IF the ride can make that line
    without wrecking, let say they get 5 points, if they make it without
    wrecking but it was sloppy, 4 points, if it takes 2 tries to get the
    line, 3 points, If they use 3 tries to get the line, 2 points. If it
    takes anything more than 3 times to get the line, 1 point.

    You may want to section difficulties though, just to be fair, some
    people wont be able to ever clear the lines some are clearing without
    another few months of practice.

    A tiebreaker could be adding street into the trials, jump from this
    rock to this rock while doing a unispin, but then again, not everyone
    can bust out street\freestyle moves. Another way could be to get chalk,
    and put them on the tire, so have one person go first, and when he
    jumps hell leave an imprint on where he jumped and landed, have the
    other guy try to make the same line, Like the game HORSE used in
    skateboarding and basketball.

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  3. You could also lean more towards the biketrial set of rules, which has
    dabs. This all very much depends on the skill level of your riders, and
    the difficulty of the sections. In biketrialing, when you put your foot
    on the ground, one point is substracted from a total of five. Putting
    both feet on the ground means losing all five points. Ofcourse this
    idea doesn't work directly for unicycles because when we dismount, we
    put both feet on the ground straight away. You could just make it -1
    for each dismount. You can fiddle with lots of things.

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  4. If i tie was to occur maybe consider getting the tied riders to attempt
    a moderately difficult line, but time them. The rider with the quickest
    time wins the comp.
    mark

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  5. Another good tie breaker would be to do a least hops rule. Whoever uses
    the least amount of hops wins. This would clean up the line by getting
    rid of all those hops used to gain balance.

    Once again this one dthem redoing a line and each person may want to do
    a different line so a substitute to this could be a still stand
    competition or counting a long or high jump scores into the trials
    competition.

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  6. My personal favourite tie breaker is Rock Paper Scissors. I do believe
    that Kris Holm and Ryan Atkins have settled a tie this way, and I
    myself had a three way tie at TOque 2005 for second place in Sport
    Trials, we decided it by rock paper scissors. I think that according
    to Kris's rules, the tie breaker is to be decided by the riders that
    tie. However, RPS is my favourite.

    Kevin

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  7. another good tie breaker: have an nearly impossible "bonus" line that
    can only be completed after all the others. if a tie *still* results.
    rock/paper/scissors is a sensible method.

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  8. I don't know if they use this in trials comps or not, but I think if
    two+ people cleared the same section, a tie breaker could be whoever
    can clear that section in the least amount of hops, corrective hops,
    etc.

    EDIT: never mind.

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  9. Well for a trie breaker the 2 or more who tied could have a short street
    comp...That was the trials riders have to be more rounded...

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  10. I think the easiest set of rules would be the ones you have in your
    first post.

    Riders have as many tries as they can to clear as many sections as they
    can in a given time limit. Depending how many sections there are, im
    thinking an hour might be too short.

    The good thing about this method is that you dont need alot of judges
    to be watching over every section. At NAUCC 2005 you had a little check
    sheet, and another rider participating in the competition would watch
    you attempt a section. If you were successful they would sign there
    name next to the section # (all sections had numbers).

    There are no partial credit points, you either clear the entire section
    or you dont. All sections were worth 1 point.

    For judging, I would have maybe 3 categories (beginner, sport, pro like
    in bike trials for example. or just beginner, intermediate, advanced).
    Another option could be age groups, although I think categories would
    be better.

    You could put a B, I, A on each section to point out its difficulty.
    Also i remember at nationals (05), there was more than line on the same
    set of obstacles (just a harder variation of it).

    As for ties i would say let the riders decide, or make sure to make
    some sections hard enough that even they might not beable to complete
    it.

    Im guessing you might already know all this, but i hope my post wasnt
    totally useless.

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  11. teachndad said:

    Hi Everyone,

    On June 3, 2006 I am organizing the Los Angeles Unicycle Roundup with
    the help of John Long (vivalargo). As part of the activities we are
    working towards doing a trials competition on the man made rock
    formations around the children’s play area.

    I am looking for suggestions on how to set up the scoring for the
    competition. One way would be to use the Kris Holm trials rules found
    here http://www.unicycling.org/iuf/rulebook/trials.html However, this
    is a small affair and I don’t think we need all the rules and penalties
    at this time.

    At the Cal MUni weekend last year, the trials competition scoring
    system was really simple and seemed to work very well. Riders were
    given a certain amount of time to ride all the sections. I think it
    was an hour. Each time a rider completed a section, they received one
    point from an observer/judge. Riders could attempt a section as many
    times as they wanted. I am leaning towards this idea, but I am also
    looking for any other ideas that could be considered.

    Also, there are some very strong riders in the trials group that might
    be able to clean all the sections. Does anyone have any ideas for a
    tie breaker?

    Finally, I am considering using chalk to mark the sections. At the
    Keyesville trials competition, the sections were laide out using
    plastic ribbon that was taped down onto the rocks with duct tape. Does
    anyone have any other suggestions? The man made rock formations are
    made out of concrete, but from a few feet away, they appear to be
    real.

    Thanks

    The trials rules that you linked there are actually out of date. The
    one point per line scoring method that you mention is in fact the
    latest incarnation of the KH trials scoring system. Having been
    involved in setting up a lot of trials comps, I would recommend the
    latest KH rules.

    The only thing required to set up such a competition are some clear
    line descriptions. Tape or other markings are not always necessary, if
    the lines are clearly described. Good lines often consist of very
    simple instructions, IE: "get to top of pole", or, "get from this rock
    to that rock without touching the ground" (as long as it is clearly
    indicated which poles and rocks are in question). The idea is to define
    a challenge and let riders creatively find a solution.

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  12. Thanks everyone. All the responses are very helpful. I really
    appreciate all the help!🙂

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