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  1. If, like me, you believe in the immorality of killing sentient
    animals like whales for food, you may be appalled by this URL:
    http://tinyurl.com/2vrw5o

    Japan's fisheries ministry said the fleet had instructions to
    kill up to 1,000 whales, including 50 humpbacks.

    Japan was forced to abandon commercial whaling in 1986, but has
    since carried out whaling for "scientific research".

    Four whaling ships, including the lead craft Nisshin Maru, will
    depart from the southern port of Shimonoseki.

    James Silverton
    Potomac, Maryland

    E-mail, with obvious alterations:
    not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

  2. "James Silverton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    If, like me, you believe in the immorality of killing sentient animals
    like whales for food, you may be appalled by this URL:
    http://tinyurl.com/2vrw5o

    Japan's fisheries ministry said the fleet had instructions to kill up to
    1,000 whales, including 50 humpbacks.

    Japan was forced to abandon commercial whaling in 1986, but has since
    carried out whaling for "scientific research".

    Four whaling ships, including the lead craft Nisshin Maru, will depart
    from the southern port of Shimonoseki.

    James Silverton
    Potomac, Maryland

    You just want to get into Hayden Panettiere's pants.

    Mitch

  3. "James Silverton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    If, like me, you believe in the immorality of killing sentient animals
    like whales for food, you may be appalled by this URL:
    http://tinyurl.com/2vrw5o

    Japan's fisheries ministry said the fleet had instructions to kill up to
    1,000 whales, including 50 humpbacks.

    Japan was forced to abandon commercial whaling in 1986, but has since
    carried out whaling for "scientific research".

    Four whaling ships, including the lead craft Nisshin Maru, will depart
    from the southern port of Shimonoseki.

    James Silverton
    Potomac, Maryland

    I agree about the whales, but not because they're sentient. Who are we to
    judge which animals are sentient and which are not? Got a definitive list?

  4. JoeSpareBedroom said:

    "James Silverton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:MWJ%i.6790$e35.2326@trnddc08...

    Quoted message said:

    If, like me, you believe in the immorality of killing sentient animals
    like whales for food, you may be appalled by this URL:
    http://tinyurl.com/2vrw5o

    Japan's fisheries ministry said the fleet had instructions to kill up to
    1,000 whales, including 50 humpbacks.

    Japan was forced to abandon commercial whaling in 1986, but has since
    carried out whaling for "scientific research".

    Four whaling ships, including the lead craft Nisshin Maru, will depart
    from the southern port of Shimonoseki.

    James Silverton
    Potomac, Maryland

    I agree about the whales, but not because they're sentient. Who are we to
    judge which animals are sentient and which are not? Got a definitive list?

    Hell, I've known enough humans I've had doubts about...

    --

    Sarah Gray

  5. "Sarah Gray" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    JoeSpareBedroom said:

    "James Silverton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:MWJ%i.6790$e35.2326@trnddc08...

    Quoted message said:

    If, like me, you believe in the immorality of killing sentient animals
    like whales for food, you may be appalled by this URL:
    http://tinyurl.com/2vrw5o

    Japan's fisheries ministry said the fleet had instructions to kill up to
    1,000 whales, including 50 humpbacks.

    Japan was forced to abandon commercial whaling in 1986, but has since
    carried out whaling for "scientific research".

    Four whaling ships, including the lead craft Nisshin Maru, will depart
    from the southern port of Shimonoseki.

    James Silverton
    Potomac, Maryland

    I agree about the whales, but not because they're sentient. Who are we to
    judge which animals are sentient and which are not? Got a definitive
    list?

    Hell, I've known enough humans I've had doubts about...

    --

    Sarah Gray

    White.....House.....

  6. Sarah wrote on Sun, 18 Nov 2007 22:53:41 -0500:

    SG> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
    ??>> "James Silverton" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    ??>> message news:MWJ%i.6790$e35.2326@trnddc08...
    ??>>> If, like me, you believe in the immorality of killing
    ??>>> sentient animals like whales for food, you may be
    ??>>> appalled by this URL: http://tinyurl.com/2vrw5o
    ??>>>
    ??>>> Japan's fisheries ministry said the fleet had
    ??>>> instructions to kill up to 1,000 whales, including 50
    ??>>> humpbacks.
    ??>>>
    ??>>> Japan was forced to abandon commercial whaling in 1986,
    ??>>> but has since carried out whaling for "scientific
    ??>>> research".
    ??>>>
    ??>>> Four whaling ships, including the lead craft Nisshin
    ??>>> Maru, will depart from the southern port of Shimonoseki.
    ??>>>
    ??>>> James Silverton
    ??>>> Potomac, Maryland
    ??>>
    ??>> I agree about the whales, but not because they're
    ??>> sentient. Who are we to judge which animals are sentient
    ??>> and which are not? Got a definitive list?
    ??>>
    SG> Hell, I've known enough humans I've had doubts about...

    There might be some humans the world could do without but I
    can't give names for sure even if history (unfortunately) gives
    some indication:-)

    At the moment, tho' my personal
    non-eating list might grow, it includes all whales, possibly all
    dolphins and certainly orcas. To tell the truth, it is easy to
    avoid eating whale since my memory of eating the meat long ago
    is that it tasted like beef with fishy overtones....a bit like
    the results of the unsuccessful attempt to feed pigs fish meal
    during WWII :-)

    James Silverton
    Potomac, Maryland

    E-mail, with obvious alterations:
    not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

  7. "James Silverton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:tng0j.38917$dl4.3262@trnddc04...

    Quoted message said:

    Sarah wrote on Sun, 18 Nov 2007 22:53:41 -0500:

    SG> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
    ??>> "James Silverton" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    ??>> message news:MWJ%i.6790$e35.2326@trnddc08...
    ??>>> If, like me, you believe in the immorality of killing
    ??>>> sentient animals like whales for food, you may be
    ??>>> appalled by this URL: http://tinyurl.com/2vrw5o
    ??>>>
    ??>>> Japan's fisheries ministry said the fleet had
    ??>>> instructions to kill up to 1,000 whales, including 50
    ??>>> humpbacks.
    ??>>>
    ??>>> Japan was forced to abandon commercial whaling in 1986,
    ??>>> but has since carried out whaling for "scientific
    ??>>> research".
    ??>>>
    ??>>> Four whaling ships, including the lead craft Nisshin
    ??>>> Maru, will depart from the southern port of Shimonoseki.
    ??>>>
    ??>>> James Silverton
    ??>>> Potomac, Maryland
    ??>>
    ??>> I agree about the whales, but not because they're
    ??>> sentient. Who are we to judge which animals are sentient
    ??>> and which are not? Got a definitive list?
    ??>>
    SG> Hell, I've known enough humans I've had doubts about...

    There might be some humans the world could do without but I
    can't give names for sure even if history (unfortunately) gives some
    indication:-)

    At the moment, tho' my personal
    non-eating list might grow, it includes all whales, possibly all
    dolphins and certainly orcas. To tell the truth, it is easy to
    avoid eating whale since my memory of eating the meat long ago
    is that it tasted like beef with fishy overtones....a bit like
    the results of the unsuccessful attempt to feed pigs fish meal
    during WWII :-)

    James Silverton

    Here are three definitions of sentient:
    1 : responsive to or conscious of sense impressions <sentient beings> 2 :
    aware 3 : finely sensitive in perception or feeling

    Do you agree with any or all of these definitions? If yes, please show proof
    that cows, chickens, pigs, turkeys and many fish are not sentient.

    Proof.

  8. In article <[email hidden]>,

    JoeSpareBedroom said:

    "James Silverton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:tng0j.38917$dl4.3262@trnddc04...

    Quoted message said:

    Sarah wrote on Sun, 18 Nov 2007 22:53:41 -0500:

    SG> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
    ??>> "James Silverton" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    ??>> message news:MWJ%i.6790$e35.2326@trnddc08...
    ??>>> If, like me, you believe in the immorality of killing
    ??>>> sentient animals like whales for food, you may be
    ??>>> appalled by this URL: http://tinyurl.com/2vrw5o
    ??>>>
    ??>>> Japan's fisheries ministry said the fleet had
    ??>>> instructions to kill up to 1,000 whales, including 50
    ??>>> humpbacks.
    ??>>>
    ??>>> Japan was forced to abandon commercial whaling in 1986,
    ??>>> but has since carried out whaling for "scientific
    ??>>> research".
    ??>>>
    ??>>> Four whaling ships, including the lead craft Nisshin
    ??>>> Maru, will depart from the southern port of Shimonoseki.
    ??>>>
    ??>>> James Silverton
    ??>>> Potomac, Maryland
    ??>>
    ??>> I agree about the whales, but not because they're
    ??>> sentient. Who are we to judge which animals are sentient
    ??>> and which are not? Got a definitive list?
    ??>>
    SG> Hell, I've known enough humans I've had doubts about...

    There might be some humans the world could do without but I
    can't give names for sure even if history (unfortunately) gives some
    indication:-)

    At the moment, tho' my personal
    non-eating list might grow, it includes all whales, possibly all
    dolphins and certainly orcas. To tell the truth, it is easy to
    avoid eating whale since my memory of eating the meat long ago
    is that it tasted like beef with fishy overtones....a bit like
    the results of the unsuccessful attempt to feed pigs fish meal
    during WWII :-)

    James Silverton

    Here are three definitions of sentient:
    1 : responsive to or conscious of sense impressions <sentient beings> 2 :
    aware 3 : finely sensitive in perception or feeling

    Do you agree with any or all of these definitions? If yes, please show proof
    that cows, chickens, pigs, turkeys and many fish are not sentient.

    Proof.

    A lot of people use the word "sentient" where they mean "sapient".

    Miche

    --
    Electricians do it in three phases

  9. Sarah Gray said:
    JoeSpareBedroom said:

    "James Silverton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:MWJ%i.6790$e35.2326@trnddc08...

    Quoted message said:

    If, like me, you believe in the immorality of killing sentient animals
    like whales for food, you may be appalled by this URL:
    http://tinyurl.com/2vrw5o

    Japan's fisheries ministry said the fleet had instructions to kill up to
    1,000 whales, including 50 humpbacks.

    Japan was forced to abandon commercial whaling in 1986, but has since
    carried out whaling for "scientific research".

    Four whaling ships, including the lead craft Nisshin Maru, will depart
    from the southern port of Shimonoseki.

    James Silverton
    Potomac, Maryland

    I agree about the whales, but not because they're sentient. Who are we to
    judge which animals are sentient and which are not? Got a definitive list?

    Hell, I've known enough humans I've had doubts about...

    and no one would say 'boo' if you ate them. they themselves might
    squawk, though.

    your pal,
    blake

  10. In article said:
    Sarah Gray said:
    JoeSpareBedroom said:

    "James Silverton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:MWJ%i.6790$e35.2326@trnddc08...
    > If, like me, you believe in the immorality of killing sentient animals
    > like whales for food, you may be appalled by this URL:
    > http://tinyurl.com/2vrw5o
    >
    > Japan's fisheries ministry said the fleet had instructions to kill up to
    > 1,000 whales, including 50 humpbacks.
    >
    > Japan was forced to abandon commercial whaling in 1986, but has since
    > carried out whaling for "scientific research".
    >
    > Four whaling ships, including the lead craft Nisshin Maru, will depart
    > from the southern port of Shimonoseki.
    >
    > James Silverton
    > Potomac, Maryland

    I agree about the whales, but not because they're sentient. Who are we to
    judge which animals are sentient and which are not? Got a definitive list?

    Hell, I've known enough humans I've had doubts about...

    and no one would say 'boo' if you ate them. they themselves might
    squawk, though.

    Only on the way *into* the pot. It soon stops.

    Cheers, Phred.

    --
    [email hidden]

  11. JoeSpareBedroom said:


    Quoted message said:

    I use sentient in the sense of "self aware". I doubt if a chicken achieves
    that, not that it can't feel pain. Some species of monkeys might be
    included but not all, IMHO. I wonder also if manatees, tho' harmless
    critters, can be included.

    Would it be correct to guess that you're a church-goin' type?

    More likely he swallowed the anti-whaling propaganda
    hook, line, and sinker. Pigs are more intelligent
    than whales, and except for PETA nobody argues that
    we shouldn't eat pigs because they are self-aware.

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